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More on this story. There is no way to be sure of what "Aunty Shamim" was involved with (she told the BBC she had only rented a room to a woman). In any event, her case highlights the lack of due process under Islamic clerical rule. There was certainly no presumption of innocence, and an angry, stick-wielding mob doesn't exactly count as a trial by jury. Sharia Alert. "Islamist vigilantes coerce Pakistanis," from the Washington Times:
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- A group of female seminary students in the Pakistani capital yesterday freed a woman they had accused of running a brothel after forcing her to wear a burqa and repent in public.
[...]
Students in black burqas seized the woman and several of her relatives from her home late Tuesday during an anti-vice campaign in the capital, taking the law into their own hands and embarrassing Gen. Musharraf's military-dominated government.
The students are disciples of Abdul Rashid Ghazi, vice principal of the Jamia Hafsa seminary and a cleric at the adjoining Lal Masjid mosque. The mosque has a reputation for preaching hard-line Islam as well as links to an outlawed militant group accused in sectarian attacks on Shi'ite Muslims.
With no sign of police intervention to force her release, the woman, known as Aunty Shamim, was presented to reporters at the Jamia Hafsa seminary in Islamabad to meet Sheik Ghazi's demand that she stop "spreading obscenity" in return for her freedom.
"I apologize for my past wrongdoing, and I promise in the name of God that in the future I will live like a pious person," said the woman, with only her eyes and part of her nose visible beneath an all-enveloping burqa.
However, she said she had "threatened to become a Christian" over her treatment by the students.
"I don't think Islam allows anyone to beat a woman and drag her through the streets like a dog," she said, shortly before she was driven home in a car along with her daughter, daughter-in-law and 6-month-old granddaughter.
All of whom, according to the BBC story linked above, were abducted with her.
Posted by Marisol at March 30, 2007 1:50 AM
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The news from 'islamistan' is coming in faster and furiouser.. could this be the QUICKENING?!
Maybe God has introduced the islamic virus into the world to test Mankind, as a Japanese friend suggested.
I mean if it wasn't for islam the we would be pretty much on a tangent to World peace right now.
so God decided to make it interesting..
Unlike the islamos I don't pretend to KNOW what God wants or is up to. How am I to know unless I were God?
And no, I don't think one finds out by listening to the drunken ramblings of a pedophile grifter.
I do not need to win arguments with THEM - what I need to do is convince my *liberal* fool brethren that these MoFoes are enemies TO US ALL!
I LNOW we cannot win their Hearts and Minds and actually why SHOULD we? What we MUST do is win OUR Hearts and Minds.
THEY know this as much as I do.
So they try to gain time by making us believe there are Hearts and Minds to be won.
WHAT ABOUT THE AMERICAN, AUSTRALIAN AND EUROPEAN STREETS??!!
THAT is what these dhimwit POLOticians need to concern themselves with!
Liberalism is INDEED a mental disease!!
I don't wish to kill the patients but I wish to cure them.
We all have to speak out daily to everyone we meet.
OUR hearts and minds.. OUR people is whom we intend to save!
at March 30, 2007 2:42 AM
Muhammadanism is a mental disorder
Posted by: dennisw
at March 30, 2007 3:22 AM
""I don't think Islam allows anyone to beat a woman and drag her through the streets like a dog,"
....for a Muslim, she does not know the minds of crazed Islamic clerics and crazed Islamic followers....she is lucky they just did not bury her to her neck and begin to throw stones....until she was dead....
....a Muslims worst enemy is another Muslim....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at March 30, 2007 6:10 AM
For goodness sake, it's not as though she was offering sex with a 9 year old girl for dirty old men in their 50's.
Now that would be disgusting. Unless of course, they'd had a dream saying they could do that.
Posted by: Celsius
at March 30, 2007 7:52 AM
she said she had "threatened to become a Christian" over her treatment
Quite a good idea in the long term. There is many a true word spoken in jest.
I dont believe that Christianity approves of running a brothel either.
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover
at March 30, 2007 8:25 AM
I hereby threaten to become a Christian!
Tremble in your shoes!
I dont believe that Christianity approves of running a brothel either.
Quite true, Infidel Lover. However, Christianity is about redemption, not mutilation. As you will recall, Jesus was criticized for associating and socializing with such people, and challenged those who would condemn them to face their own sin (Let he who is without sin...) rather inflicting the law upon vulnerable people more in need of forgiveness and help to repair their lives than punishment.
Posted by: Archimedes2
at March 30, 2007 8:51 AM
Wait a minute - what are females doing in a seminary? They can't lead prayers - they aren't supposed to be educated and women are expected to be 'full Muslims' anyway.
What does the phrase 'seminary students' really mean about these girls/women ? What are they really?
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
at March 30, 2007 9:49 AM
"I don't think Islam allows anyone to beat a woman and drag her through the streets like a dog," she said ...
Pakistanis drag dogs through the street? Okay, now I'm pissed. At least treat the animals better than the domestic livestock [breeder sows].
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
at March 30, 2007 9:51 AM
"Christianity is about redemption, not mutilation. As you will recall, Jesus was criticized for associating and socializing with such people, and challenged those who would condemn them to face their own sin..."
Well said Archimedes2. And while Christianity disapproves of immorality, I don't believe any Christian society ever killed people for prostitution. Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity are full of glorified saints who were repentant prostitutes such as Saint Mary of Egypt and Saint Theodora, empress of Byzantium.
It is clear that the desperation women face in Islam pushes them to many forms of degradation. Perhaps, if she and her family did leave Islam for Christanity,they may better themselves economically as well as morally. This woman, although a Brothel keeper, has already shown herself infinitely more honourable than the self-righteous "students" who persecuted her.
Posted by: Provoslavni
at March 30, 2007 9:56 AM
'This woman, although a Brothel keeper, has already shown herself infinitely more honourable than the self-righteous "students" who persecuted her.'
Bingo. Self-righteous and miserable. And misery loves company. Perhaps being cruel and hateful to other people is the only way Muslim women believe they have any power. Perhaps abusing someone else gives their non-stop cycles of abuse, sexual oppression and intimidation forced mind control some sort of sick meaning in their lives.
I like this woman. She has a sense of humor and also good business sense. She knew well how to play the game with her, "I apologize for my past wrongdoing, and I promise in the name of God that in the future I will live like a pious person," speech. This is merely an occupational hazzard which I'm sure with her clever mentality she will quickly overcome. But it is a hazzard in a Muslim country that can get you killed. As Provoslani so eloquently pointed out, people in Christian countries might become irritable around prostitutes but the thought probably wouldn't even cross their minds to kill them. In spite of what the party line is around here sometimes, Christians actually care about the person involved, no matter what the sin. Christians who hate people are committing just as big a sin as those they deplore. And Jesus is the best example. He was friends with Mary Magdalene's family and in spite of the crap that is being pedaled that he had an affair with her or married her and had kids (give me a break) she was much loved by Him as a family friend and He had infinite patience while she worked her way to her conversion.
Mel Gibson presents it beautifully in The Passion of the Christ, in the scene where Mary Magdalene is wiping up Christ's blood with her head covering and she remembers how gentle and protective He was when the people were planning to stone her and she ran to Him for help. He told them that whoever didn't have any sin could cast the first stone, and they all dropped their stones and then went away. But afterwards, He asked Mary if there were any to condemn her and when she said no, He said, neither would He, but that she was to go and sin no more. He let her go and trusted her to do the right thing.
He let her go and He trusted her.
What a contrast to the Muslim mentality. Along with no love, there is no trust in Islam. What a hellhole for the people who live in it. They must have adapted over the years to be able to deal with it but instead of building a world where there is a possibility of peace on earth, friendship, brotherhood, charity and benevolence, in Muslim dominated countries there is suspicion, betrayal, superiority complexes, control freaks that can not only make your life difficult but can snuff it ouot if you oppose them. Do we really want that kind of garbage permeating our societies? I don't. I prefer forgiveness and working things out with people rather than taking out vengeance on someone in an even more wretched situation than themselves.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at March 30, 2007 10:28 AM
"However, she said she had "threatened to become a Christian" over her treatment by the students."
Abraham's wife Sarah laughed when she was told she would bear a child at her old age. Subsequently she had a child whose name meant laughter, Isaac. God works in strange ways sometimes. I pray she leaves Islam. Islam does not tolerate sinners (hell it doesn't tolerate anything) and it has no savior. Jesus is dismissed as just another prophet of Muhammed's imaginary god. Therefore in Islam, she has more of a chance of ending up in hell than in heaven.
I find her statement interesting. Perhaps she may have contact with some Christians to know the difference between how they treat people and how her fellow Muslimahs treated her. Hopefully it becomes obvious to Aunty Shamin what the better choice is.
Posted by: wrathofasma
at March 30, 2007 11:09 AM
Mohammed owned slaves for sex.
Which is worse than a brothel owner who merely rents them space and takes a percentage.
Hypocrites and tragically ignorant of their own pedophile warlord leader's life.
Muslim immigration must be reversed, and ended, into the Infidel Zone.
This kind of lunacy is all such infil-traiters bring.
Posted by: profitsbeard
at March 30, 2007 11:18 AM
I think I've related this story here before, but it's worth repeating in the face of this story on Islamic vigilantism above. A couple in the process of building a house on my street have recently retired from the U.S. State Department where they were stationed in Indonesia for quite some time.
Without going into too many details, they have revealed to me that a mob of Muslim vigilantes chased a man to the very doorstep of their compound and tore a man limb from limb. They related that after a long period of slumber, sharia is once again gaining fervency and a foothold in the "moderate" Islamic nation.
It's interesting to note that Indonesia has never been more prosperous than it is now -- and yet, after years of grinding poverty, rather than having their national population becoming more forcused on moving finally into the modern world, they are embracing the basics of Islam more fervently than ever. More women are concealing themselves under veils. More Mosques are being built. More obsevance of Islam is being felt. And the last few remaining Hindus and Christians on the islands are feeling more threatened.
It seems clear that Islam can become a more passive aspect of society, perhaps when the scourge has destroyed other cultures, erased pre-Islamic memories -- and killed off and cowed sufficient numbers of people of conscience sufficient to plug along day to day -- but change the dynamics -- add wealth of any factor of progress or instability -- things which are inevitable in this reality based world we live in, and Islam seems to lurk just under the surface -- just out of sight.
I think the current triumphal Jihad being waged by Muslims against the world in every corner -- in Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Russia, China, Australia, Europe, Africa, North and South America, is simply a sign of the infection of Islam gaining new force from various means.
The staggering influx of trillions of dollars into Islam's coffers, mainly in the form of petrodollars, but also including money from transplanted technological know-how in Malaysia, to transfers back home from increasing numbers of Muslim parasites in Europe, Canada, and the USA are all helping to fuel the conflagration which Jihad is causing.
Muslims must be ejected from our lands. Money transfers back to Muslim nations must be stopped. If trillions have flowed into Muslims coffers because of the accident of oil -- this too must be stopped -- at the very least -- Muslims must not be allowed to continue to practice their war doctrine on our soil.
If Muslims didn't exist in the West, if Muslims were forbidden to practice their backward religion of intolerance in our dominions, then the trillions of petrodollars would have very little leverage upon us.
Their evil masters and kings could build their pleasure palaces and abuse their people to their hearts content. Without Muslim students in our universities helping to complete the transfer of wealth and knowledge back to their stone-age cultures-- and especially without filthy Muslim students like the 19 hijackers, all of whom, I believe, were here on some kind of student visas at one point or another -- there would have been no hijackings -- there would have been no 9/11.
Without Muslims being allowed to freely study in the West to learn technologies they never would have learned on their own -- there would be no Iranian nuclear program -- no WMD programs -- no threats from the AQ Khans of the world. There would be no North Korean nuclear program -- no ICMBs in Iran -- no nuclear program in Libya.
Posted by: jsla
at March 30, 2007 12:16 PM
Muslim immigration must be reversed, and ended, into the Infidel Zone.
This kind of lunacy is all such infil-traiters bring.
Posted by: profitsbeard
HOW do we reverse and end moslems infiltration into the West? The POLOticians seem hell-bent on letting them in. The judiciary is hell-bent on allowing them bridgeheads and exclusion zones in the host countries. see previous article on DW. The media is hell-ben on selling them to our population as "peaceful" and "pious" people.
I keep saying it: we MUST change OUR hearts and minds here at home. We have the difficult task ahead of wating out these indentured leftsit professors, the lifetime judges.. the entrencehed media lizards.. goodbye Rather.. that was a Dan good start. Larry King should retire yesterday.
Now that there is really no communism.. except the watered-down version of Venezuela and the goofy Castro in Cuba.. the Left is free to get even wackier. There is no real example of their ideas wrecking an entire empire like the USSR and repressing its satellites.
On second thought.. it's happing here at home now. See a lot of the stories on DW. The Left hates its own people. The Left is implementing a devilish system of PC which encroaches on each and every one of us - ever so slowly. Again.. the frog in the boling water pot comes to mind.
I really don;t think the Left cares if the islamos kill them as well as us. They are so full of righteous self-hatred [see the Anglo Ward Churchill pretending to be a 'native American' while calling the victims of 911 nazis] that they will rush to accomodate these MoFoes as much as they possibly can.
There are many of these "Refugee Rights groups" who want to bring in millions of Iraqis "refugees" into the West.
Sweden is officially complaining that Germany and France aren't taking in enough of the islamic "refugees".
There are tons of "refugee rights groups". Is there even one Autochtonous Peoples' Rights group?
The Charter of the Useless Nazions does have language which protects the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
Since the UN is run by the moslems countries and the most liberal of the west I doubt that the UN will ever implement those.
it would pay to insisit on it from time to time and to remind people that these rights are in the UN charter.
at March 30, 2007 12:26 PM
allahfanculo-
Agree will all of your points, but the outrage has to be brewed from beneath until it boils the traitors in power selling out their birthright for a mess of Muslim pottage.
Start wherever you are. Email politicos, write letters to the editor, call in radio talk shows, post comments everywhere, start blogs, print T-shirts & bumper stickers, write songs (see: "sheik yer'mami"),leave hard-to-remove posted notices in public areas about the true nature of Islam (Koran quotes)and its pedophile prohet(Hadith quotes), the costs of unrestrained Islamic immigration (for heightened security in every realm and form, etc.).
It seems impossible to penetrate the numbskulls at the top- because they are shielded by massive amounts of graft and anti-historical egomania- but keep chipping away from below, and hope the outrage grows.
at March 30, 2007 12:40 PM
Just try doing that to Polly Adler or Madame Claude. There'd be hell to pay.
Posted by: Hugh
at March 30, 2007 12:46 PM
Aunty Shamim isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
First she is abducted by a mob of schoolgirls. She repents by saying, "I apologize for my past wrongdoing, and I promise in the name of God that in the future I will live like a pious person."
She then follows that up with threatening to become a Christian.
The penalty for running the brothel might be severe, but it pales in comparison to what they will do to her if she becomes an apostate. That is death by default in Islam.
Hush now Aunty.
Posted by: awake
at March 30, 2007 12:58 PM
"The students are disciples of Abdul Rashid Ghazi, vice principal of the Jamia Hafsa seminary and a cleric at the adjoining Lal Masjid mosque."
How much you want to bet old Abdul Rashid Ghazi is engaged in illicit sex with the kidnapping students? Another possibility (not mutually exclusive) is that he ordered the raid in revenge for some imaginary insult from the brothel. Sexual jihad.
Posted by: Daisytoo
at March 30, 2007 1:45 PM
Sex is cool.
Sex is fun.
Sex is best when it's
one
on
one.
:)
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
at March 30, 2007 2:00 PM
in other words: marry one good woman and sex it up. Works great.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
at March 30, 2007 2:03 PM
Good point, Daisy Two!
Maybe the old pimp Abdul Rashid Ghazi's girls just couldn't stand the competition from Aunty Shamim and her girls.
Posted by: Provoslavni
at March 30, 2007 2:03 PM
Who says there's no gender equality in islam? Why these female "seminary students" are learning to engage in behavior that is just as brutish & thuggish as their male co-religionists.
Posted by: sheik yer booty
at March 30, 2007 3:17 PM
And they just bulldozed the last of the MUSTANG RANCH, where will it end!!!!
Posted by: OLD SARGE
at March 30, 2007 8:31 PM
Posted by: jsla
Without going into too many details, they have revealed to me that a mob of Muslim vigilantes chased a man to the very doorstep of their compound and tore a man limb from limb.
This brings to mind the incedent that happened in Indonesia 1998 when the Islamofacist burnt down 28 churches in Situbondo.Not one single report mentions how the mob also burnt down 10 houses belonging to prostitutes in Basuki,a few kilometers away from Situbondo.
at March 31, 2007 4:34 AM
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