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Sharia (Syaria) Alert from modern, moderate Malaysia: you have to apply to leave Islam, and your application may not be accepted. "Woman fails in bid to renounce Islam," from New Straits Times, with thanks to Teri:
KOTA KINABALU: A 24-year-old Muslim woman yesterday failed in her application to renounce Islam on the grounds that she did not practise the religion and was never given religious education.Syariah High Court judge Jasri @ Nasip Matjakir said the applicant did not submit any concrete evidence that she was no longer a Muslim in action, behaviour or deed that could expel her from Islam.
In her affidavit, read by counsel Hamid Ismail, the Sino-Kadazan said her non-Muslim lifestyle would cause society to look down on her and she would be subjected to the judgment of the syariah court.
The applicant’s father was a Muslim while her mother, a Sino-Kadazan, converted when the couple got married.
Hamid said the basis of her application was under Article 11 of the Federal Constitution — that she had the right to choose her religion and must not be prevented from doing so by anyone.
This is as held by the Su- preme Court in the case of Minister of Home Affairs, Malaysia and Anor v Jamaluddin bin Othman, 1989 1 MLJ 418.
The second basis was that Islamic law on apostasy is not applicable in Malaysia because there is no total application of Islamic law in Malaysia.
Jasri, in his judgment, said although the Federal Constitution did state that every individual deserved to choose his or her religion, it did not give authority to the syariah court to allow Muslims to renounce their religion. "The court can only decide whether one’s action is permissible according to Muslim laws.
"The reasons given by the applicant are based on fear of punishment which is against the teachings of Islam. Is fear a good enough reason?
"The court finds the reasons given are weak and not one that can be used as permissible to murtad (leave Islam)."
Posted by Robert at March 31, 2007 9:51 AM
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As that rake Mohammed said, there is no compulsion in religion. That is, so long as you can submit concrete evidence that you are no longer a Moslem in action, behaviour or deed. And if you do, then you may suffer another Sharia charge and end up losing your head.
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at March 31, 2007 10:04 AM
"she did not practise the religion and was never given religious education"
Why did she enter into Islam If she did not understand it in the first place? Ignorance is no excuse once you embrace Islam. The only exit is through beheading with a shinny blade (no hanging plz, its haram and inhumane).
This is a lesson to all Kuffar. Don't become Muslim without fully understanding Islam.
Posted by: Abdullah at March 31, 2007 10:05 AM
Looks to me like she was born into Islam. Her father was a muslim and her mother converted when they were married.
I think the true victims of Islam are those born into it. They are not even allowed to hear about any other religion. They are virtual slaves of Islam.
Posted by: CrazyFool at March 31, 2007 10:23 AM
As this article clearly illustrates, fear is the basis for being trapped within Islam, but it cannot be used as an excuse for leaving Islam. Muhammad, in his first sermon to the people of Medina, used the word "fear" eight times, and "beware" an additional two times. (Al-Tabari's History, Vol. VII, Para. 1258) Apparently in Malaysia, everyone has a right to choose their own religion except Muslims. The Quran makes that quite clear: "It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option." (Surah 33:36) Islam is the Roach Motel of all religions -- people can check in, but they can't check out.
Posted by: Chris at March 31, 2007 10:30 AM
The only way you leave the Mafia is feet first. At least that's how it was a few decades back. Dittos for Islam. Plus no Islamic womb may opt out. That's a baby making machine!!! No way will the ummah be deprived of new Jihadist cadre
Posted by: dennisw at March 31, 2007 10:33 AM
What a vile, filthy thing Islam is.
How can anyone defend this ideology, an ideology that forces the most base and depraved beliefs onto people and denies them the right to choose a more noble way of life, even if that way of life is simply the absence of the abomination called Islam.
Who, in their right minds, without coercion, would adopt a faith founded by a pedophile, rapist, brigand, mass-murdering, misogynist, liar and scoundrel - a code of behavior designed to appeal to all the very worst in man's nature.
God, I pray that Islam is removed completely from the face of the Earth.
at March 31, 2007 10:39 AM
What "There can be no compulsion in religion" really means (to Mohammedans):
-once you are considered 'Muslim' no one can ever compel you to leave Islam. Not even yourself. (Who do you think you are, Allah!?)
It's the final word in looney lawyering lingo.
Like a parking lot with No Reversing treadle spikes, Islam is the Ultimate One-Way Street.
Caution tape should be wrapped around the entire "religion".
at March 31, 2007 10:46 AM
As brother Gaddafi pointed out, Islam is for all mankind but christianity was sent to only a fraction of mankind (namely the children of Israel) "Oh hear Israel, the lord your God is One"
Posted by: Abdullah at March 31, 2007 10:47 AM
Please people try to understand this difficult concept in Islam with your microscopic minds. The verse in surat al-baqara, "La ikraha fi deen" Let there be no compulsion in Religion...means
Do not force anyone including yourself to adopt Islam as your religion without giving it serious thought because the consequences of becoming an apostate are dire.
Posted by: Abdullah at March 31, 2007 10:54 AM
Word, Beard, word.
IslamIsObsessiveAggressiveOppressiveNoDecisionThisIsYourAmoralConscription
As brother Gaddafi pointed out, Islam is for all mankind but christianity was sent to only a fraction of mankind (namely the children of Israel) "Oh hear Israel, the lord your God is One"
In other words, you're gonna be a Moslem or else.
As I've said, Islam is a form of assault. Most of their assaults are of the petty misdemeanor variety, but there are many billions of them every day. Day in day out. This includes the gross misdemeanors and felonies, not to mention the sheer impoliteness. Every day the oppression and threats and thefts and rapes and murders.
Can't shake the fever.
*8:39*9:38*2:216*4:74*9:111*8:12*56:22*4:96*38:51*55:56*55:76**33:21*9:123
These jackasses will intrude you, obtrude you, and eventually extrude you into something that no free human would ever want to be. A moral and behavioral grotesque disfigurement.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 31, 2007 11:08 AM
Someone shouldn't be forced to remain a muslim just because they were born into that religion. There is nothing special about that religion which is basically a rip off of the jewish and christian religions.
Posted by: Desdinova at March 31, 2007 11:24 AM
Muslim is a religion without exit visas. That is why I never accept any Islamic pronouncements on "numbers," including their grossly inflated membership roles in the USA.
Posted by: maryrose at March 31, 2007 11:36 AM
"Why did she enter into Islam If she did not understand it in the first place? Ignorance is no excuse once you embrace Islam. The only exit is through beheading with a shinny blade (no hanging plz, its haram and inhumane).
This is a lesson to all Kuffar. Don't become Muslim without fully understanding Islam."
-- from a posting by Abdullah, a Muslim who attempts to tell his own truth, above
Event hough this girl was born into Islam, like a billion others, and once she became morally aware wished to leave, so that the first paragraph above is irrelevant; she never did "embrace Islam." But the Muslim poster's forthright recognition of the punishment under Shari'a is welcome.
And he is quite right when he notes:
"This is a lesson to all Kuffar. Don't become Muslim without fully understanding Islam."
Right, but not in the way he thinks.
Posted by: Hugh at March 31, 2007 12:34 PM
"The applicant’s father was a Muslim while her mother, a Sino-Kadazan, converted when the couple got married."
Islam's slow, creeping, demographic Jihad is a long-term problem, and we Westerners don't want to talk about it. Even so, we will have to find ways to reverse this trend, or our descendants will end up living under Shar'ia.
Posted by: RuyDiaz at March 31, 2007 1:08 PM
Abdullah,
"As brother Gaddafi pointed out, Islam is for all mankind but christianity was sent to only a fraction of mankind (namely the children of Israel) "Oh hear Israel, the lord your God is One"
In today's Gospel reading for the Roman Catholic daily mass, in verse 52 of chapter 11 of John's gospel, it is said that Jesus was going to suffer and to die not only for the nation of Isreal but also so that the dispersed children of God can gathered once again. Also Mr. Gaddifi forgets is that Christ commands his disciples before he accended into Heaven to go and make disciples of all the nations. So Mr. Gaddifi is in complete error.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 31, 2007 1:11 PM
Abdullah is a complete error as is the relio-political system he espouses. What he doesn't get is that everytime he opens his mouth, he illustrates the degree of his depravity and idiocy. Logically his arguments are circular... we should just ask him to go home to his insane asylum. Get the message?
Posted by: lonewolf at March 31, 2007 1:37 PM
This unfortunate story shows, I think, that reforming islam is a near impossibility. As many have noted, it's a one-way street: you can enter islam, but never leave it. Similarly, once islam conquers territory, it rightfully belongs to islam forever. Funny that when a non-practicing muslim wants to renounce the "faith", his wishes are ignored & he is deemed to remain muslim, while another who professes islam but believes that it must be reformed, is denounced as unislamic. muslims say there is no compulsion in religion; I say there is no reason or logic in islam.
Posted by: sheik yer booty at March 31, 2007 1:47 PM
Ignorance is no excuse once you embrace Islam. The only exit is through beheading with a shinny blade (no hanging plz, its haram and inhumane).-Abdullard
Hanging is more "inhumane" than having your head cut off? You are a sick animal, a perfect representation of your kind.
Posted by: staff_of_magius at March 31, 2007 2:03 PM
As far as im concerned, I am not an asylum seeker and Jesus aint the prophet sent to all Mankind. He never died on the cross for anyone's sins (this is an evident lie which crept into your holy bk). He (Jesus) was born of a virgin woman, he healed the blind and brought back the dead to life by Allah's permission. That is Islam for you, here to deny the lies you attribute to Allah and affirm that of the truth which came down to you.
at March 31, 2007 2:25 PM
Abdullah..you must be deaf as you do not hear anything anybody says. So look in the mirror and think of your banal existence ending in a whimper... You are so full of it... ahhh what's the use... OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
Posted by: lonewolf at March 31, 2007 3:16 PM
I believe these truths to be self-evident:
(1) Allah sucks,
(2) Mohammad was a pedophile, and
(3) Abdullah is an idiot.
at March 31, 2007 3:17 PM
Abdulass:
“As far as im concerned, I am not an asylum seeker”
Who the hell is concerned with what you are concerned with?
What we are concerned with is that you are a mohammedan parasite on the body of the West and if we don’t get rid of your nasty pack now we will have to do it later , but at the considerably greater cost.
But don’t you doubt, it will happen sooner or later. And what are you going to do about it then? Beg your allah to intervene? I promise you if he as much as move his hoof, or tail, we will kick his ass too.
at March 31, 2007 3:50 PM
the consequences of becoming an apostate are dire
Omerta
Posted by: Beagle at March 31, 2007 3:55 PM
"Why did she enter into Islam If she did not understand it in the first place? Ignorance is no excuse once you embrace Islam
It is not a matter of ignorance,in Malasia,all Malays are muslims by default at birth
By the way,
On April 1, 1946, the Malayan Union officially came into existence with Sir Edward Gent as its first governor. The capital of the Union was Kuala Lumpur.
The Malays/Moslems opposed the creation of the Union.
The opposition was mainly due to the way Sir Harold MacMichael acquired the Sultans’ signatures, the erosion of the Sultans’ powers and the offering of citizenship to recent immigrants mainly the ethnic Chinese because their economic dominance was seen as a threat to the economic development of the Malays/moslems.
The United Malays National Organization, or UMNO, a Malay/moslem political association formed by Dato’ \Onn Jaafar on March 1, 1946, led the opposition against the Malayan Union.
In the end, due to tremendous internal pressure inside the Malayan Union, the British finally conceded to the local opposition.
The Malayan Union ceased to exist on January 31, 1948. It was replaced by the Federation of Malaya (Persekutuan Tanah Melayu in Malay) which recognised the position of the Malays/Moslems as the definitive people of Malaya as well as outlining stricter conditions on the granting of citizenship.
Malasia has never,Indonesia been moderate,both countries are in the Mekkan stage of Islamic developement,they are not ready for Medinian stage yet,but are progressing steadly as this case proves
at March 31, 2007 4:01 PM
Abdullah, you idiot, what is a "shinny blade"?
Posted by: DownWithIslam at March 31, 2007 4:51 PM
The Kadazan are not Malays (which in Malaysia is almost equivalent to being muslim), although similiarly to other non-muslims in Malaysia, they are subjected to constant islamization.
from www.brittanica.com:
"Kadazan society consists of a number of tribes, each speaking a dialect that the others can understand. The great majority of Kadazan are animists, although a significant proportion are Christian and a small number are Muslim."
and:
"Dusun
also called Kadazan, largest indigenous ethnic group in the Sabah region of the island of Borneo that is part of Malaysia. The Dusun inhabit northern Borneo and are grouped along the coastal plain from Kudat to Beaufort and in the hills around Tambunan. The Dusun are of Proto-Malay stock; they migrated from Asia and were originally headhunters. ..."
at March 31, 2007 5:12 PM
Look at Malaysia. 52% Muslim, 48% infidel and the infidel has to live under Sharia law and be wilfully robbed under the Bumiputra system. Let that be a warning to Europe in 50 to 100 years from now.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 31, 2007 5:46 PM
Please sir, more Abdullah.
A question to our no. 2 lab rat (a poor straight act to Naseem): if hanging is haram, why are your Iranian brothers-in-Islam so fond of it? Do they deserve chastisement of some sort for embracing such haram practices?
Posted by: Dane at March 31, 2007 6:11 PM
Abby the Beast speweth forth the following:
Why did she enter into Islam If she did not understand it in the first place? Ignorance is no excuse once you embrace Islam. The only exit is through beheading with a shinny blade (no hanging plz, its haram and inhumane).
This is a lesson to all Kuffar. Don't become Muslim without fully understanding Islam.
Posted by: Abdullah
She DID understand it. That is why she wanted OUT. We understand it too. Which is why we want to keep you OUT.
The fact that this islamist acknowledges is that it's official policy in islam to kill anyone who leaves.
That is not the hallmark of a religion. Name one [other than the cult of islam]
I think I just proved logically that islam is either a cult or a criminal organization.
Either way, time for R.I.C.O. And the I.R.S.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 31, 2007 6:55 PM
I meant name one religion that mandates death in case of renunciation.
Yet it's quite common to kill those who leave cults and gangs.
See Mafia, Bloods, Crips, Yakuza, Manson Gang, Jonestown etc.
Ergo islam is either a gang or a cult. Or boh.
Number of members does not change the definition. It merely illustrates its dangerousness and the effectiveness of its brainwashing techniques.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 31, 2007 7:16 PM
A little Matthew for Mo':
Mat 7:1 ¶ Judge not, that ye be not judged.
No comment needed here.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
That does not look good for moslems.
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Are you a studied Christian, GWBush? How about Tony bLiar and the other EU "heads"?
Looks like noone is heading Matthew. They're all heeding mo instead.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
"Palestinians"
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Sorry that one doesn't work when dealing with satan's minions.
Mat 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mahomet.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
islam.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I can't wait.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
They are certainly known to the Jihadwatchers. What i don;t understand is all those learned Christians who bow down before Satans Helpers in ignorance or in vioation of clear instructions from Matthew
at March 31, 2007 7:27 PM
Abdullah:
Why did she enter into Islam If she did not understand it in the first place? Ignorance is no excuse once you embrace Islam. The only exit is through beheading with a shinny blade (no hanging plz, its haram and inhumane).
Abdullah, you ought to bear in mind that many young people of the ages 5 to 17 grow up in Islamic countries, they never get a chance to think things through and choose what they want to believe. There is overwhelming pressure to conform by family, society, your peer groups, school, teachers. So it is taken for granted that you will be Muslim. I pity these young people that did not get a chance.
It is a crime to force people to make adult choices while they are still children.
And you realise that Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Jainists can all leave their religion without penalty? And they are welcomed back, if they think they have made a mistake.
I thought Allah was merciful? Evidently not.
If the religion has the concept of a personal God, then leaving it is really between you and God and no one else. It is no one elses business. So when I see in the Hadith, Muhammad saying, "if anyone apostases, kill them", I dont beleive his claims.
This is a lesson to all Kuffar. Don't become Muslim without fully understanding Islam.
Lesson noted. But it makes Islam's claims to "succeed" Christianity laughable, as Christianity has never regarded apostacy as crime where the death penalty should be invoked.
You only have to read the parable of the prodigal Son in Luke 15, where Jesus is conveying that God is a loving Father who considers his personal hurt less important than the fact that his son is restored in relationship to him.
Now where do find that in Islam?
Absolutely nowhere.
Islam has always offered it's believers "less" than what Christianity offers it's believers.
at March 31, 2007 7:31 PM
Abdulass:
“As far as im concerned, I am not an asylum seeker”
Who the hell is concerned with what you are concerned with?
What concerns me is that the British Secret Service doesn't seem concerned to interrogate this asylum-seeker. I call that a serious lack of concern for all the innocent citizens of England.
But then there is a serious lack of concern for the Brit-15 hostages within the entire European Union.
All our governments are lacking concern for not only those sailors who after all are defending all of us but they show an equal contempt for the concerns of the ordinary autochtonous citizens of all our lands.
As far as I am concerned, Abby, consider this a cancellation.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 31, 2007 7:36 PM
As far as im concerned, I am not an asylum seeker
No, but we in the West dont want you. We consider Islam a totalitarian political system that is trying usurp every form of goverment on the planet. And my forefathers in the UK go back 959 years to Norman conquest, more than your. My claims are stronger and deeper than yours. Presumably your father or mother came from an Islamic ocuntry right? Basically non-Muslims want countrys they call their own without being Islamified. And that is the West.
You are in my continent and you are not wanted.
at March 31, 2007 8:11 PM
Abdullah,
"As far as im concerned, I am not an asylum seeker and Jesus aint the prophet sent to all Mankind. He never died on the cross for anyone's sins (this is an evident lie which crept into your holy bk). He (Jesus) was born of a virgin woman, he healed the blind and brought back the dead to life by Allah's permission. That is Islam for you, here to deny the lies you attribute to Allah and affirm that of the truth which came down to you."
If as the paragraph states that in other words, if Islam is full of the truth, they why is it that more people are coming to faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and in many churches around the world next weekend, Easter, many will also be baptized into full Christian faith? Because of the fact that the word of God, in the Bible is true and it has the good news of the Gospel. Plus this Holy Week starting with Palm Sunday the churches will be packed because of the very same good news of the passion and resurection of Jesus. In the end it is Jesus Christ who is "the way, truth, and the life. No one gets to the Father, ( God ), except by him". Thus the real error(s) is to be found in Islam.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 31, 2007 8:30 PM
A reading that will be read in many churches this Palm Sunday.
Philippians 2 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
Philippians 2
Imitating Christ's Humility
" 5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father."
at March 31, 2007 8:34 PM
PS: Gospel passage at the end of the above post is from John 14:6.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 31, 2007 8:35 PM
from bigcatgirl's quote of Philippians, particularly 2:7 --
"[Jesus Christ] made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness."
The truculently and obtusely macho mentality of most Muslims -- which informs (among other things) their monomaniacal monotheism -- cannot, and will never, understand the significance of the Christological symbolism of kenosis.
Posted by: remote_control at March 31, 2007 8:55 PM
For those who are interested in a bloger's account on the last hours of Christ.
http://rubberduck.townhall.com/
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 31, 2007 9:08 PM
Malaysia court halts baby boy's conversion to Islam
Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:42 PM IST
KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - A Malaysian court has taken the rare step of ordering a Muslim man not to go ahead with plans to convert his baby son to Islam, pending a last-ditch legal effort by the Hindu mother to take custody of the boy.
The Court of Appeal, which usually defers jurisdiction in religious matters to Malaysia's Islamic courts, granted the mother an injunction on Friday barring the father from converting their 1-year-old to Islam, local newspapers said on Saturday.
Once the boy is converted to Islam, the father could seek custody of him in an Islamic court. He did this last year with the couple's elder son, aged 3, the papers said.
The legal battle highlights constitutional tensions over religion in mainly Muslim Malaysia: the charter assures freedom of religion but in practice non-Muslims have found no recourse to civil courts where questions of Islamic identity are involved.
Non-Muslims make up about 40 percent of the population and many refuse to submit to Islamic law. In 2005, the High Court ruled it could not intervene to stop state religious officials giving a man a Muslim burial against his Hindu widow's wishes. She said he was Hindu but an Islamic court ruled he was Muslim.
In the latest case, the lawyer for the Hindu mother said an Islamic court might award custody of her younger son to the father before she could exhaust all her civil legal options.
"If the injunction is not granted, the wife's right will be over-reached before the appeal is heard in the Federal Court and it will cause severe injustice," state news agency Bernama quoted the lawyer, Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, as telling the Court of Appeal.
"There is also the possibility that the father will convert the second child. The threat is substantial."
But the injunction may be only a brief legal victory for the mother, R. Subashini, who married under Hindu rites in 2001.
The Court of Appeal ruled earlier this month that the father had the right to go to the Islamic court to have his marriage dissolved and to seek custody of the younger son.
The injunction granted on Friday applies only until the mother can persuade the Federal Court to hear her appeal against the Court of Appeal's March 13 ruling.
at March 31, 2007 10:40 PM
"This is a lesson to all Kuffar. Don't become Muslim without fully understanding Islam."
Don't worry.
But Abdullah, what about the non-Muslims who are forced into Islam? Surely you know about the atrocities your fellow Muslims are committing against Christian girls in Egypt. You can read all about it here:
http://www.kidnappedchristiangirls.org/
Could you tell us all here why it is acceptable in Egypt for Christian girls who say no to the advances of Muslim men to be allowed by the Muslim Egyptian police to be kidnapped, raped, drugged and then forced to convert and marry the pigs they rejected in the first place? Can you not get your own girls the regular way? What is it about Muslim men that is so repulsive that Christian girls recoil when approached by them? Could it be that these girls are wise and perceptive and that they understand that a Christian marriage, while not perfect, gives them a better possibility of having a loving relationship where two partners work things out together and where there is such a thing as chastity in marriage, whereby women have the right not to be raped by their husbands, and to have their feelings and physical well-being considered inside the marriage.
In other words, women in the west are not merely sperm receptacles for sexually selfish and mal-adjusted males. We've got rights, baby-cakes, and we're not going to give them up to the likes of you. Perhaps you've gotten too big in the head because you've read of the glories of Muslims infiltrating a country and forcing everyone to become Muslim on pain of death. Well there is an opposing force, a force that believes in freedom for everyone, even freedom for you, and believes that a world without that freedom will be a very dark place with no hope and nothing to live for. As Tammy Bruce said about why we fight you on her radio program this evening, she likes her life, and that is why she, and I, and all here will oppose you and yours to protect it.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at March 31, 2007 11:02 PM
"Ignorance is no excuse once you embrace Islam." --abdullah
Wrong again; It's the ONLY excuse.
Posted by: alexon at March 31, 2007 11:15 PM
"Why did she enter into Islam If she did not understand it in the first place? Ignorance is no excuse once you embrace Islam. The only exit is through beheading with a shinny blade (no hanging plz, its haram and inhumane).
This is a lesson to all Kuffar. Don't become Muslim without fully understanding Islam."
Posted by: Abdullah
Abdullah,
This woman NEVER joined Islam and NEVER practiced Islam. Regardless of what any court says, she is NOT a Muslima.
Now she should simply go about her life in the freedom that comes from being a non-Muslim. She should eat pork and drink wine. She should never wear tudong (hijab). She should marry a kuffar and if the state refuses to allow that, move to where she can. She should also join a Christian Church or Buddhist temple. If all of that doesn't prove she's not a Muslim, then it will show exactly how unjust Muslim countries are!
As for beheading... that is the greatest proof to all non-Muslims that Islam is a false religion. Only a cult of lies would have to use violence to keep its followers.
------------------------
"As brother Gaddafi pointed out, Islam is for all mankind but christianity was sent to only a fraction of mankind (namely the children of Israel) "Oh hear Israel, the lord your God is One"
Also posted by: Abdullah
Actually, Gaddafi is only an ideological Muslim and has stated that he does not believe Allah actually exists. That is why he is denounced as "that atheist Gaddafi" in your dear leader Osama's press releases.
Posted by: Provoslavni at March 31, 2007 11:20 PM
Men behaving badly.
Oh, sorry guys. Muslim men behaving badly.
http://kenlydell.typepad.com/islamic_evil/muslim_honor_killings/index.html
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at March 31, 2007 11:43 PM
Why exactly do moslems have to KIDNAP people to get them to follow their unethical "prophet"?
Why are moslems so obsessed with how others practice their religions and live our lives?
And Yes, I still haven' ever had a reply to my occasionally posted question to the moFoes who frequent the board:
Please tell us WHY do you wish to live in the West among "infidels" many of whom drink alcohol and eat pork in all its wonderful and delicious recipes?
I say islam has an INFERIORITY COMPLEX vs. the Rest of the World. Most of our societies have evolved to the point where they are based in some part on caring and love. This is not to sound liberal at all.
What I mean is we care about one another both within our societies and beyond. You moslems have been the recipients of our largesse for far too long. We have tried to put the past behind us - due to our many internecine wars and also because we wish to live in a harmonious world.
There is only one thing making this impossible right now.
islam.
UK Infidel Lover hit the nail on the head, Abby. Europe is OURS - the Europeans' - not someone who happens to be 'born' in oune of our countries or cheated their way to a passport while spitting on the host society.
We Europeans define who from the outside fits in and becomes one of us. Many countrues have been rather welcoming in this regard and we've often been rewarded.
Yet somehow we have NEVER been rewarded in any way at all by the moslems who've come to occupy our lands.
I say we give shelter to those who need shelter away from islam.. the apostates and the persecuted.
Our place is not with the perpetrators.
Our place is with the victims.
Goodbye, Abby.... hit the road, Jack!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 12:30 AM
Off topic from the UK:
Schools axe controversial subjects
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at April 1, 2007 12:32 AM
BigCatGirl. There are over 1.7 billion muslim in the World right now than there is current 2.25 billion christian world. By 2015 they will both be rqual in number at 2.25 billion people. The number of Muslim is increaseing and the number of Christian are decreaseing slowly. By 2050 Islam will be the domant religion with the most follower. Western societry is collapsing on his own and Islam will be the savort of Western societry like they where in the middle age when they ended the dark age in europe.
Posted by: DefenderofIslam at April 1, 2007 3:57 AM
There are over 1.7 billion muslim in the WorldWrong.
Western societry is collapsing on his own and Islam will be the savort of Western societry like they where in the middle age when they ended the dark age in europe.Wrong.
Thanks for playing.
at April 1, 2007 6:32 AM
Audacity,
Thank-you and God Bless for standing up to the truth and in turn, correcting DefenderofIslam. Also thank-you for making my early morning.
:-)
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 1, 2007 7:32 AM
DefenderofIslam,
"Western societry is collapsing on his own and Islam will be the savort of Western societry like they where in the middle age when they ended the dark age in europe."
With the growth of the Christian faith in the global south countries in Africa, Asia, and Latin America, expect these Christian believrs to go forward with the gospel of Christ and bring Him back to the west to re-Christianized it. The Christian will come full circle. Keep a close eye on China as it is seeing many people come to faith in Christ and from there will bring it back to the west were it begun.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 1, 2007 7:37 AM
"There are over 1.7 billion muslim in the World right now Islam will be the savort of Western societry like they where in the middle age when they ended the dark age in europe."
There are over 1.7 billion muslim in the World...
So what? There are over 170 billion flies...
We can reverse that trend quickly by sending the local Mohammedans back to mohamedistan, stopping the Moslem immigration to the West, and isolating your 1.7, or 2.7 or 3.7 billion in the shit hole of history from which we so kindly and stupidly allowed you to creep from.
Then we install a tight lid on the Planet of the Moslems and occasionally check (through a peep hole) how are you doing. When your number drops so low that you become an endangered species we will send you a few hundred tons of hot dogs, ketchup, delousing means and soap. And then we return to our business. We will ask your help when we tire of our "dark ages".
Until then please shut up and perhaps learn basic English spelling. Or is it haram?
at April 1, 2007 7:43 AM
"...we will send you a few hundred tons of hot dogs, ketchup, delousing means and soap."
Correction: no hotdogs. Only ketchup. Until you learn to spell.
Posted by: thomas. h at April 1, 2007 8:02 AM
"The only exit is through beheading with a shinny blade (no hanging plz, its haram and inhumane)."
....and the beheading is halal and humane.....
at April 2, 2007 4:13 PM
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