Here is a quote by G.K.Chesterton on what, I think we would now agree, is the essence of relativism or multi-culturalism. It is so insightful, so precise, that it deserves to be shared. Chesterton pretty much hits the nail on the head.He regards it with total contempt - rightly so.

MODESTY has moved from the organ of ambition. Modesty has settled upon the organ of conviction -- where it was never meant to be. A man was meant to be doubtful about himself, but undoubting about the truth: this has been exactly reversed. Nowadays the part of a man that a man does assert is exactly the part he ought not to assert -- himself. The part he doubts is exactly the part he ought not to doubt -- the Divine Reason. Huxley preached a humility content to learn from Nature. But the new sceptic is so humble that he doubts if he can even learn. Thus we should be wrong if we had said hastily that there is no humility typical of our time. The truth is that there is a real humility typical of our time; but it so happens that it is practically a more poisonous humility than the wildest prostrations of the ascetic. The old humility was a spur that prevented a man from stopping: not a nail in his boot that prevented him from going on. For the old humility made a man doubtful about his efforts, which might make him work harder. But the new humility makes a man doubtful about his aims, which will make him stop working altogether.
'Orthodoxy.' (Collected Works, Vol. I)

Posted by: Odyessus at April 2, 2007 8:30 AM

You said it, Mr. Spencer! "In saner times"...

Posted by: Witch-king of Angmar at April 2, 2007 8:38 AM

Can we write of Britian as a lost cause?

Posted by: Elric66 at April 2, 2007 8:44 AM

"Can we write of Britian as a lost cause?"

....no, but the educational system is questionable...

....it is time to ban Muslim immigration... you do not want these people in your neighborhood...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 2, 2007 8:58 AM

The Daily Mail's article was also posted by Melanie Phillips at http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/. It was post 13 is a series she calls "The war within the west." She is always worth reading; she does not post that frequently and you can sign up and get email alerts when there is something new.

Posted by: philiph35 at April 2, 2007 9:00 AM

....no, but the educational system is questionable...

....it is time to ban Muslim immigration... you do not want these people in your neighborhood...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 2, 2007 08:58 AM

A lot of the problems Britian is having today is the homegrown Muslims. Banning Muslim immigration would only solve part of the problem.

Posted by: Elric66 at April 2, 2007 9:00 AM

Slow down this cancer named Islam by no more Muslim immigration (sgtbrown) and especially no more bringing back wives and husbands from the "old country", meaning Islamic bases such as Pakistan and Algeria

What is the going payoff/bribe/dowry for getting your child into the UK via an arranged marriage? Just another fine example of parasitical Islam bleeding UK dry via social welfare payments. Which you Brits owe them as Jizya

Posted by: dennisw at April 2, 2007 9:06 AM

Will they drop the teaching of evolution in the Science classes as many Christians are taught Creation in church? Certainly the teachers wouldn't want to offend them either.

How we have gotten to this point in the 21st century is unbelievable!

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at April 2, 2007 9:19 AM

Will they drop the teaching of evolution in the Science classes as many Christians are taught Creation in church? Certainly the teachers wouldn't want to offend them either.

How we have gotten to this point in the 21st century is unbelievable!

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at April 2, 2007 09:19 AM

Christians dont chop heads off so dont count on it. We got to this point because Western civilization doesnt have the heart to fight for its beliefs anymore. Much easier to roll over and die.

Posted by: Elric66 at April 2, 2007 9:22 AM

sapere aude vs noli sapere

Posted by: FreeSpeech at April 2, 2007 9:34 AM

By the Cross of Saint George - Britons - get control of your nation and its principles once again. Your legacy is being stolen from you.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 2, 2007 10:00 AM

Whatever you do, don't offend Muslims.

How much more warped and weak kneed can you British people get in the name of the perversion of multiculturalism? It's your country, not theirs---don't apologize,don't compromise,don't appease this aggressive ideology because they will see it as weakness.

Why don't you just turn over the keys of your nation if you are not willing to defend your foundations, and historic and documented truths such as the Holocaust. This is absolutely shear insanity and madness at every turn.

British people: for Gods sakes wake up, your being invaded within and you don't seem to even know it!

"If you can't define yourselves, than you cannot defend yourselves"
General Douglas MacArthur

Posted by: Mackie at April 2, 2007 11:12 AM

For those who oppose voting for the BNP on the grounds that they advocate holocaust denial, there goes one reason for not voting them in. After all, if you were a British Jew, and you see Holocaust denial being practiced by Labour, Tory and LDP, and all these 3 are appeasing Muslims while the BNP, while on the same page as them re: the holocaust, at least does not appease Muslims, who would you now rather support? Remember, none of the parties in question are now acknowledging the holocaust.

While your leaders are selling you down the Thames to Iran, mull it over.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 2, 2007 11:44 AM

History is already being rewritten thanks to Islam. Children should simply not be taught about the Holocaust, because it never happened, the Crusades and the Lepanto shouldn't be discussed or portrayed because Muslims are "offended", and our friend Abdullah thinks Muslims discovered America. This world will not be worth living in any longer if these people ever gain worldwide control and all western history is obliterated from memory, as though it never even happened.

Posted by: staff_of_magius at April 2, 2007 12:50 PM

You know of course this and more is going to happen in America, and for all we know even in countires previously thought able to resist this kind of dhimmitude, like Israel, India and Thailand. Only nationls like Ethiopia would be exempt, (perhaps one of the few substantial benefits of living in a might makes right type of culture as africans often do).

In my first few years as a university student, I'd heard so many insane expressions of dhimmitude the mind just grows numb. When the subject turns to israel, it's the same thing everytime-israel pisses me off, israel has become just as bad, and even worse, than the Hezbollah and Hamas fighters they're so afraid of, etc. Of course, they are convinced the creation of israel was wrong as it stole land from innocent, gentle arabs. I've actually heard it being compared to how Nazis stole land from Poland in WWII, since Islamists and Dhimmis like to deny or trivilaze the Holocaust unless it suits their "purpose". I've actually heard it said Israel shouldn't have been created as it's inappropriate to be creating states based on religious grounds. And no, they had nothing to say on whether they thought this also meant the creation of Pakiland was inappropriate.

As far as American policies go, what they say is equally inane; that the Iraq war was an atrocity because it split the Iraqis among Sunnis, SHiites and Kurds, the Kurds should not have a state becuase that would be harmful for Iraq and for our permanent genuine ally Turkey, etc.

Truthfully, when I first saw this site in it's inception 4 years ago, I actually did find it to be a racist site, that Robert Spencer was out to imply that being one of 1 billion muslims automatically implies you're less civilized, a potential terrorist, a sociopathic failiure. It seemed as it Spencer's goal was to get Westerners to try and force everyone identified as a muslim out of their countries, bomb them to obliteration in their own, deny them alyslum here even if it means they'd be killed or jailed for decades in their own countries and generally treat them as barbarians.

Luckily, that changed rather quickly. I actually, unlike some critics, actually figured out that the calls some posters made to do these types of things were not what the site was about, just like the posters who called for global islamic caliphate didn't either. Nad now, just going to a university and listening to ordinary Americans discuss these things, I've become convined that everything by Spencer, Warraw, and everyone else associated with Jihad Watch should be madatory reading for everyone trying to get a college degree.

Posted by: maxwell46&2 at April 2, 2007 1:05 PM

"It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial."

""But the same department deliberately avoided teaching the Crusades at Key Stage 3 (11- to 14-year-olds) because their balanced treatment of the topic would have challenged what was taught in some local mosques.""

And by their parents.

Posted by: PRCS at April 2, 2007 1:36 PM

History is already being rewritten thanks to Islam. Children should simply not be taught about the Holocaust, because it never happened, the Crusades and the Lepanto shouldn't be discussed or portrayed because Muslims are "offended", and our friend Abdullah thinks Muslims discovered America. This world will not be worth living in any longer if these people ever gain worldwide control and all western history is obliterated from memory, as though it never even happened.

Posted by: staff_of_magius

Does this remind anyone else of Fahrenheit 451? To me it is incredible that all our fears of a totalitarian state were implied to come from a right wing sectarian government, but it appears now as though Islam will bury all our knowledge and our past, and claim credit for anything positive. The history books will be expunged, the media will be controlled, the educational system will be rigid....sigh. And many heads will roll, literally.

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at April 2, 2007 1:59 PM

This cant be true. If it is true, then all hope is lost.

Posted by: george_rem at April 2, 2007 2:22 PM

"... whose beliefs include Holocaust denial".

This is completely raving mad. Where in the Koran, the Hadith, or in any Islamic literature is the Holocaust even mentioned? The Holocaust post dates Islam by 1400 years. What they mean actually is "... whose beliefs are rabidly anti Semitic".

Posted by: Paul at April 2, 2007 2:28 PM

This is so utterly, utterly insane it is untrue. Should we stop teaching children that it is wrong to pick on others just in case it offends the school bully?

This is symptomatic of the utter depravity of the British 'elites'. They are busy sowing the seeds of their own destruction. But fear not - the depravity has not infected what used to be called the lower classes, who are still not afraid of calling a spade a spade...

Posted by: DeRaquis at April 2, 2007 3:29 PM

Teachers are not teaching the Holocaust and the Crusades for "fear of upsetting students..." Just how much and what kind of fear is there among these teachers? Do they fear an school director who will punish/demote/dismiss the teacher after listening to complaints from an irate Muslim parent? Or is the fear bigger than that...fear of physical abuse or fear of ending up like Theo Van Gogh?? If it is the latter type of fear, things are worse than I thought in Britain.

Posted by: maryrose at April 2, 2007 3:34 PM

Frequently historians must choose between being polite and being historically accurate. Journalists often face the same choice. This SHOULD be a no-brainer. When they choose to be polite, they must be challenged and mocked at every turn until the truth prevails. When they choose politeness and expediency, they are no longer historians or journalists but propagandists.

Posted by: MP at April 2, 2007 3:40 PM

This is one of the most depressing things I've read for a long time. A surrender to evil.

Posted by: johndoe at April 2, 2007 4:00 PM

I think it's about time to beat these teachers about the head with the P.I.G. to islam and the Crusades (great book BTY ) then make the braindead morons read it !

Posted by: TrueBrit at April 2, 2007 4:02 PM

'The sun never sets on the British Empire'?

Sorry, they are stumbling blindly in the dark, and at this stage I couldn't honestly say their demise is not warranted. The unfortunate part of course being that which will replace it.

Posted by: ThomasD at April 2, 2007 4:24 PM

'The sun never sets on the British Empire'?

Sorry, they are stumbling blindly in the dark, and at this stage I couldn't honestly say their demise is not warranted. The unfortunate part of course being that which will replace it.

Posted by: ThomasD at April 2, 2007 4:35 PM

Nothing, absolutely nothing, would surprise me about this.

Our teacher training colleges have for many years been in the hands of the Cultural Marxists. The only "truth" our children have been taught is that there is no such thing as an "absolute truth", and the only "morality" they have been taught is "if it feels good, do it".

We have had 9 years' mis-rule by "New" Labour, during which time the pseudo-religions of political correctness and multiculturalism have been imposed on all public servants. Any public servant (teacher, policeman, civil servant, local government officer) who dares to stand up against this risks losing their job.

Our membership of the EU, combined with the Home Office's complete failure to control immigration from the former Communist states of Eastern Europe will cause further strain on local services in an already massively overcrowded island. 80% of our laws are now framed behind closed doors by the unelected Eurocrats (mostly failed politicians put out to grass) of Brussels. We no longer control our borders, our agriculture, fishing in the waters around our shores, and can no longer expel foreign criminals at the end of their sentences in case they might be at risk of torture in their home countries.

Short of a religious revival of the scale of that brought about by God through John Wesley and George Whitfield, or a bloody uprising by the native peoples of these islands, England is doomed to become the first Islamic state of Eurabia.

Posted by: Alfred of Wessex at April 2, 2007 4:53 PM

Hyman Rickover wrote this in 1979. The man was brilliant.

We are now living on the accumulated moral capital of traditional religion. It is running out, and we have no other consensus of values to take its place. This is partly because man can now obtain on earth what previously was promised him when he reached heaven.

In our system of society, no authority exists to tell us what is good and desirable. We are each free to seek what we think is good in our own way. The danger is that where men compromise truth and let decency slip, they eventually end up with neither. A free society can survive only through men and women of integrity. Fortunately, there still exist human beings who remain concerned about moral and ethical values and justice toward others. These are the individuals who provide hope of the ultimate realism that is marked by a society's capacity to survive rather than be eventually destroyed.

He might have been talking about the staff at Jihad Watch. More Rickover:

http://www.limes68.blogspot.com/

Posted by: pez at April 2, 2007 5:16 PM

How can they debunk it if they don't first teach it?

Ah, the mysteries of Islamic education.

Where beheading begins at birth.

Intellectually speaking.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 2, 2007 5:41 PM

"It found some teachers are dropping courses covering the Holocaust at the earliest opportunity over fears Muslim pupils might express anti-Semitic and anti-Israel reactions in class."

When the new holocaust they are promising comes, how will that be covered?

Posted by: Kemaste at April 2, 2007 7:37 PM

The more I read about the slippery slope the UK has been going down, the more I think about this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z2M_hpoPwk

Posted by: wrathofasma at April 2, 2007 9:28 PM

why are the british so scared? really it's weird, scared of prosecution if they say that islam is evil yet muslims can denounce jews and be racist towards their british hosts.

time to start fighting back guys, dont be a bunch of pussys, get angry, get aggressive with the system, persue your own goals for self preservation of the british people.

but do all of this through the legal and democratic processes.

ie, you hear of a certain muslim stating racist stuffor anti semetic arguments, denounce him and call the police, turn the tables on them. next demo in london with agressive muslims call the cops, send an email to MI5 and complain - please remember that the british police force HAVE to respond to every police report, they file that away. the only reason that the muslim cartoon demo guys were arrested was because of patriots calling the police after watching it on the news!!! not because the police were at the demo.

remember if we do nothing then the police will do nothing and islam will be the winner.

REPORT REPORT REPORT!!!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 2, 2007 10:17 PM

A letter published, rather surprisingly, in today's Guardian:

"It was with little surprise that I read of schools deciding not to teach pupils about the Holocaust for fear of offending anti-semitic Muslim children. I had to remove my son from a primary school because of racist bullying by Muslim children who comprised about half the total. The teachers refused to discuss the problem with me. This despite evidence that children were being taught racist attitudes at home and as part of their religious education.

On a school visit to a synagogue, some Muslim children asked where was the trough the Jews eat out of. The teachers response to these questions was embarrassed laughter. It should be compulsory for all children in the UK to learn about other religions and for schools to openly confront the racist attitudes with which many children are inculcated even by primary school age. Parents of racist children should be threatened with similar punishments to those of truants.

If we let children emerge from full-time education with racist beliefs unquestioned, we cannot be surprised if they go on to commit hate crimes and even become terrorists and suicide bombers.
Jeff Bloom
London"

See http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,2048626,00.html. I think it is interesting this story even surfaced, though similar tales have been told of French schools for several years. Nothing will be done though.

Posted by: philiph35 at April 3, 2007 1:34 AM

"The danger is that where men compromise truth and let decency slip, they eventually end up with neither."

Yes, so true. As an atheist/agnostic, I'm very committed to the truth: I don't know whether god exists, so I'm not going to pretend 'he' does.

Meanwhile, I will try and live by the golden rule, and have a lot of respect for many of the things Jesus said.

I don't need to go to church for these things, though.

I don't think spiritual and moral fortitude in the west is as crumbling as many people think. Surely it's even better when people are free to make up their own minds and still find a lot of value in various spiritual traditions and in the concept of a decent, caring society.

Posted by: Lili at April 3, 2007 2:03 AM

As a retired history teacher I can sadly say that the US is not far behind. Here is all about the teachers unions and the need to indoctrinate the students on the politically correct social and environmental issues as well as the desire not to hurt anyones feelings. Various studies here have shown that our students do not even know what the Holocaust is when asked. They have no basic understanding about our system of government and where it came from and on what it is based. Sound familiar Brits? Yes we may be on the way down the same road. I thank God that there are people like Robert, Hugh, and so many others who are not afraid to speak the truth.

It has saddened me to see the British government seeming to lose its backbone. Dhimmitude is truly reigning in the once Great Britain. I know there is the propensity of quietly excepting things, stiff upper lip and all, but you will do that to your own demise. I just hope that the entire Western world wakes up before they see their granddaughters having to wear full hijab and being married off at age 5 to these sick old men who still live in the 7th century.

Posted by: TeamNfdL at April 3, 2007 3:13 AM

I'm sorry to say this, but Europe is doomed.

Posted by: US_infidel at April 3, 2007 11:37 AM

I agree, England is finished, France, etc... It's so appalling. Half the time I'm incredulous that THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT! WHERE ARE THE STREET PROTESTS FROM NON-MUSLIMS???

Posted by: darcy at April 4, 2007 5:40 PM

Elric66:
Can we write of Britian as a lost cause?

No you cant. Not until you have evidence that everyone thinks like that in Britain.

But I can write you off as someone with poor judgement.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 4, 2007 6:38 PM

darcy:
I agree, England is finished, France, etc...

No they are not. Your judgement is crap.

It's so appalling. Half the time I'm incredulous that THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT! WHERE ARE THE STREET PROTESTS FROM NON-MUSLIMS???

It does not work like that. Some issue will happen which will cause a storm and then at that point people will rise up. This is not that issue.

After all, America now has 12 million illegal immigrants. How did that happen? Do I conclude that America is finished? Of course I dont.
I have better judgement than you.

You cannot finally trust anyone in authority. They are never proactive, only reactive.

And just to make a point:
You are going to read of a lot more humiliating things happening in Britain than that. And that is also true for America. Unfortunately things are going to get a lot lot worse before they get better. But a point will come when people snap.

Dont falsely conclude that Britain is a write off - it would be a premature judgement.

At that point new political parties will spring into existence overnight (maybe not in USA) and existing ones will go into overdrive to accomodate the people. We might even have Civil Wars and large numbers of Muslims dead, all Mosques destroyed.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 4, 2007 6:52 PM

"darcy:
I agree, England is finished, France, etc...""

.............you are wrong...in case you have not noticed, France and UK are making more terrorist arrests that other counties.....as long as you are fighting , you are not finished...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 5, 2007 4:22 PM