..fear works...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 12, 2007 6:49 AM

Obviously Muslims have identified Minnesota/Minneapolis as a soft spot. Why?

Posted by: Dane at April 12, 2007 6:57 AM

With this news story we see that the subjection of non-Muslims to second-class status under Islam is not something that happens all at once but rather in a very gradual, creeping fashion through intimidation. People want to avoid trouble, so they just aquiese in being rolled over by Islam. Thus with only a few million Muslims in this country, we already begin to see hints of a dhimmi or serf-like psychology peeping into existence here and there among non-Muslims.

It should be more often considered that there are plenty of potential immigrants the West can take in from all over the globe without taking in further Muslims at a time when it's far from clear if Islam is compatible with robust civil rights and liberties. Even the most liberal of Muslim states seem to show more theocratic restrictions on religious freedom and far less tolerance for pluralism than would be considered desirable to most Westerners. So until such time as Islamdom goes through its own historical Enlightenment and freedom of religion and speech cease to be as scarce as they currently are in the Middle East, until such conditions change radically, there should be a moratorium on immigration of Muslims to the West.

Posted by: traeh at April 12, 2007 7:05 AM

That amazes me. How can they not see the double standard. Who in USA is going to lodge a complaint about this? Who will?

Posted by: payingattention at April 12, 2007 7:26 AM

"So the college is making plans to use taxpayer funds to install facilities for ritual foot-washing."

.....a pitiful waste of hard earned tax dollars....I am writing my elected officials!!...

....this is disgusting....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 12, 2007 8:09 AM

With idiots like Phil Davis in charge is it any wonder why I was told by a young U of Toronto student that closing the gym to male members during certain hours so that religious Muslim women can work out in compliance with their beliefs was "respecting" their religion and not a case where a minority that wants to cling to 7th century mores is demanding that the rights of others be subservient to theirs?

What's next Mr. Davis? Will you make catering companies operating on campus Halal-compliant?

Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 12, 2007 8:11 AM

This is the kind of story that infuriates me. The school does wish to display annual holiday cheer but will give into muslims so they can perform their ostentatious daily rituals. I just cannot fathom the depths of depraved thinking that lead to results like this. Maybe it's time the rest of us Infidels became ostentatious in our displays for Freedom from Islam.

Posted by: Rick at April 12, 2007 8:14 AM

I also have some say into who comes into my home and I dont want muslims here.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 12, 2007 8:24 AM

What kind of a god would make you wash your feet before praying ? How bizarre islam is. The rituals, the constant prayers, the endless fatwas governing every bodily function and every minute of every day.

If muslims ever actually got a chance to think for themselves, could they ?

If I lived in Minnesota, I'd write to every newspaper and every elected official, including Keith Ellison. Not that it would make a difference.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at April 12, 2007 8:30 AM

To Minneapolis Community and Technical College:

So as a fundamentalist hindu I would require several things be done so that my religion is respected.
1. please only vegetarian meals may be served in school. since we think that serving meat is tantamount to dishonoring our beliefs.
2. provide a room in you college for us to put our idol of ram and krishna. so we may worship in peace.
3. please keep muslims, away as we considere them to be the lowest caste and are forbidden to even touch them.
These will do for starters and I will think up more hindu fundamentalist beliefs. Thank you.

Posted by: desidude at April 12, 2007 8:32 AM

"Staff members are researching options,"

....how about: "just say no".....

....or .."we may consider this, but we will require a replica wailing wall to be built for the Jews to pray on..."

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 12, 2007 8:36 AM

Traen: ...the subjection of non-Muslims to second-class status under Islam is not something that happens all at once but rather in a very gradual, creeping fashion through intimidation.

This is so true. It's their ability to inveigle all this islamic crap into every fibre of our society until one day the snake will slough off its skin and attack us in earnest. Muslims simply can't be trusted, they are victims of a kind of mental illness. If they can achieve this much submission when they are only a small minority, what the hell is it going to be like if they reach 10%? And yes, a lot of it boils down to intimidation plus the alacrity with which idiots like these college officials seize any opportunity to demonstrate how 'hospitable' they can be.

"Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight in vain." Schiller

Posted by: Malta_1565 at April 12, 2007 8:58 AM

@desidude:

I hope that you will actually send that to the school officials.

And I hope that any (read ALL) readers from MN will grab this ball and run with it.

Posted by: Godefroi at April 12, 2007 9:06 AM

I had to stop everything and send a quick message to the technical college when I read this one.

Dane:
Obviously Muslims have identified Minnesota/Minneapolis as a soft spot. Why?

That's a good question. I think it may have something to do with obtaining housing/medical assistance.

Posted by: Abrog8 at April 12, 2007 9:25 AM

Notice not only the obvious PC pro-islam stance of the school, but the usual anti-Christian attitude…

In the article replace “religion” with Christianity….

Posted by: adobe at April 12, 2007 9:46 AM

It is time we stop caving in to Muslim demands and political correctness. If the Muslims don't like it here in North America, our way of life, lands of unlimited opportunities, offended at Judeo-Christian principles, freedom of speech and expression, ect. then why don't they move to a Muslim country like Indonesia. I simply do not want them here. They have no contribution to our society, except for ruining it.

Posted by: The Resistance at April 12, 2007 10:27 AM

Thank god for Katherine Kersten.

Posted by: Hugh at April 12, 2007 10:44 AM

These facilities could really lead down a 'slippery' slope, so to speak. Imagine it's a hot summer day and I have just walked two miles to get to a class. I am wearing sandals and my feet are dusty and sweaty..and, oh yes, I am not a Muslim. So, I duck into the bathroom for freshen up before class and decide to clean my feet in the "Muslim" facility. A Muslim student, knowing I am not a member of the ROP, objects and threatens me. What to do? I am a paying student also...What do you think the college will do to me? Are those facilities open to all...or, are we reverting back to Jim Crow days, where there are public facilities off limits to me, not because of my skin color but because I am not of a certain religion?? Has the esteemed President Davis really thought this new policy all the way through. Oh yes, I think that the college in Illinois that already has foot washing facilities for its large Muslim population is Harper College.

Posted by: maryrose at April 12, 2007 10:46 AM

"What kind of a god would make you wash your feet before praying ?"

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at April 12, 2007 08:30 AM

****

There are some Christian sects that also practice foot washing. It has a different meaning, though. It doesn't have anything to do with being "clean" before God. They wash each others' feet as a symbol of humility and service to mankind.

But it brings up a larger question. The college justifies this step (foot washing facilities) by comparing it to serving fish on Fridays during Lent for Christians. Now I'm just guessing here, but I doubt they refuse fish to non-Christians during Lent. I'm be willing to wager that Shintoists and agnostics are welcome to partake in the Friday fish meals, even if they aren't doing so for religious reasons. So, can those feet washing Christians use these same facilities? What about other non-Muslim students who feel an urge to wash their feet. After all, sometimes in summertime, my feet get hot and sweaty. Will the facilities are accessible to everyone, reguardless of religion or purpose?

Posted by: CJ at April 12, 2007 10:53 AM

Maryrose, I am sure that the college would have to hire a security guard to stop any non muslims studenst from washing their sweaty infidal feet in the holy islamicly pure foot bath. your identity will be checked , you will recite the shaheeda, you must be modestly dressed. the state college is serious when it comes to appeasing the islamists.

Posted by: desidude at April 12, 2007 10:54 AM

"It's their ability to inveigle all this islamic crap into every fibre of our society until one day the snake will slough off its skin and attack us in earnest."

They wouldn't have this ability if PC weren't dominant and mainstream in our socieities.

Posted by: remote_control at April 12, 2007 11:07 AM

And when male Muslim students complain of being uncomfortable with the sight of "uncovered meat," will President Davis require women staff and students to wear hijab? And after that, when they complain that Islam does not allow females to teach men, will he create separate sections, taught by men, for male students?

During Ramadan, will he ban all students and staff from eating or drinking during the day, so as to make his new guests completely comfortable? And when there's a riot over someone "disrespecting" the Koran -- by dropping it accidentally, or stacking it in an incorrect bookshelf, or even touching it while kafir -- will he pay for the medical costs and funeral expenses of the students and staff attacked?

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at April 12, 2007 11:42 AM

Remote_control:

And isn't political correctness in the last analysis a degenerate form of Christian sentiment; a moral fashion that considers any form of egoism; survival instinct; pride in one's own culture; or applying the same moral standards to all groups as somehow wrong? It's pacifism gets trumpeted as a morally superior stance (Quakers, for example) which can be very difficult to repel if you're brought up in the Christian tradition in which (contrary to Islam) the founder was largely pacifist.

Isn't this is proving to be one of the greatest weaknesses of the West? We ultimately refer back to a pacifist religion that finds it much harder to justify violence and holds its combatants to higher standards than their opponents. I think we may find we need to jettison some of this cultural baggage in order to see the world as it really is and to implement the measures necessary to confront Islamic expansionism effectively.

Posted by: Malta_1565 at April 12, 2007 11:42 AM

I think that college women should all show up in tank tops and have a "wash-in." If taxpayers money is used to build the facility everyone should be able to use it, and everyone should have to wait in one line. I wonder what the ACLU is up to these days besides obliterating Christianity.

Posted by: never_submit at April 12, 2007 11:55 AM

JUST SAY NO TO MO

"What kind of a god would make you wash your feet before praying ?"

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at April 12, 2007 08:30 AM

What kind of God would COMMAND his creatures to kill each other?

What kind of God would COMMAND his creatures to shave their genitals?

What kind of God would COMMAND his creatures to pray in the direction of a BLACK STONE IN A BOX?

What kind of God would COMMAND his subjects to "FALL TO THE GROUND AND RAISE THEIR ASSES?

What kind of God would rescind the forgiveness of Jesus Christ?

Satan!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl at April 12, 2007 11:56 AM

PC continues to spiral way out of control. Is there no hero left to slay this insipid beast?

Posted by: awake at April 12, 2007 12:30 PM

do they have sikh facilities? hindu facilities? buddist facilities? the list is endless, how about made up facilities for anyone else palnning on starting a cult like islam or mormonism or wicca.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 12, 2007 12:57 PM

and reading all the bitching about "eurabia" from my fellow US comrades i would've thought that "y'all" would not put up with this crap? we in the west are on the "titanic" right at the point when some half asleep cabin boy points out at a huge colossal iceburg, and we are heading straight for it.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 12, 2007 1:00 PM

Where is the ACLU!!!

Does anyone know how to kick the ACLU in the rear end, and get them to bring legal action against this?

It was the ACLU that got the morning prayer banned from public schools, and has continued to bring legal action when any vestige or trace of Christianity was manifested in public schools.

Look at the recent banning of the Ten Commandment sculpture from a courthouse.

Posted by: elcordobes at April 12, 2007 1:04 PM

Are any of you fellow readers from Minnesota?

Here is the home page for the ACLU in Minnesota:
http://www.aclu-mn.org/

Here is the page with the contact information for their lawyers and staff:
http://www.aclu-mn.org/home/staff/

Here is their page for submitting a complaint:
http://www.aclu-mn.org/legal/fileacomplaint/

Contact them, complain to them, and get them busy!

Posted by: elcordobes at April 12, 2007 1:16 PM

If any of you are from Minnesota or Illinois, find the contact information for the respective school officials that are advocating/approving/funding this, and tell them you are submitting a complaint to the ACLU, and the state's Attorney General. Whether the ACLU or the Attorney General will do anything might be debateable, but it might at least put some fear into the school bureaucrats/dhimmis.

Posted by: elcordobes at April 12, 2007 1:22 PM

Is there any way Dearborn could be transplanted into MN? That way, Brother Ellison can represent them both.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 12, 2007 1:39 PM

And here in Minnesota, we see a classic example of taxation without representation.

And to furnish a mass-murdering cult with something they could live without.

We need another revolution. To get rid of Islam and leftists!

Posted by: pythagoras at April 12, 2007 2:51 PM

Will the Mohammedans be permitted to cut the throat of a sheep, next, on the university steps, before each exam?

And shouldn't all women henceforth have to cover their heads in order to honor the traditions of the Musselmen?

And when will the school remove all offensive books from their library that do not respect the pedophile "prophet" poroperly?

Sliiiiiiipery slooooooope!

Alahu Akbar!!!

(Can't wait for the MANDATORY MUEZZIN CALLS FOUR TIMES A DAY ON CAMPUS.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 12, 2007 3:00 PM

Obviously Muslims have identified Minnesota/Minneapolis as a soft spot. Why?

Posted by: Dan

They now have a swath stretching from Minneapolis via Chicago and Detroit all the way to Toronto. And now they are directing their efforts into Tennesse as we recently saw in the prior thread.

Then they'll push to Virgina and into Florida.. two converging strategic lines, effectively sectioning the country off.

Wyoming may soon be all that is left.

Maybe I'll have to look for my "Indian Roots" so I can live on a reservation somewhere.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 12, 2007 3:01 PM

I think the students should make a point of reliving themselves in these foot washing basins.

HOW many moslems do we have in our schools anyway??!!!

How many of them are being taught sensitive technologies?

WHERE do they get the money to pay for their tuition?

Can't we find foreign students from FRIENDLIER countries?

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 12, 2007 3:04 PM

They now have a swath stretching from Minneapolis via Chicago and Detroit all the way to Toronto. And now they are directing their efforts into Tennesse as we recently saw in the prior thread.

I have been all over the Volunteer state, there are more Hispanics than Mohammedans. As for Memphis, I cannot say, Nashville, a few. East of the Cumberlands, very very few, like gnats, no see'ums.

I left the computer to take care of some bidness. I as I now read what I had just written, I sounds as if I am describing the progress of killer bees or fire ants. "Well the fire ants are in Arkansas and have just crossed the Mississippi and there are a few in Alabama."

I would rather have fire ants.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 12, 2007 3:40 PM

Allahfanculo, This is like following the progress of the tripods in the 1953 "War of the Worlds."

We could make one of those maps that show dark colored areas where the infestation is greatest, like mapping a pandemic.

The 2010 census needs to have a place where one's religious affiliation can be marked.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 12, 2007 3:46 PM

OK.. A chair in every rest room, so they don't bump their little headie's! But HEY! BRING YOUR OWN BASIN! Really, what is the problem with Muslims? They need a call to prayer, can't they set their clocks or cell phones? They can't bring their own rug or basin..? Please.. kindergarden kiddies can do more.. with mommy's help.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at April 12, 2007 4:13 PM

After reading the article I found it interesting that college administrators are meeting with muslims and muslim organizations. That in itself is an endorsement of a religion.

How often do the college administrators meet with Christian organizations, Jewish organization, etc.?

And Davis's comment 'he is pursuing it for 'interested' students'....and 'it is the same as to having the cafiteria serve fish on lent'....

We had a college recieving Federal Funds in Alaska that endorsed Christianity and the Feds found out and were all over it and cut off their funds and wanted the money back.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at April 12, 2007 4:35 PM

If they need to wash their feet, they can stand in the toilet and flush.

Posted by: Celsius at April 12, 2007 4:52 PM

Don't these "apes and pigs" Muslims know that there is a separation of Church-Mosque and state in America?

Posted by: Frank at April 12, 2007 6:01 PM

Call the ACLU (yuk yuk).

Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 12, 2007 7:36 PM

malta and remote_control:
Imagine if the mafia had not only intimidation as an instrument of control, but also a pervasive, habitual atmosphere of political correctness pressing people to automatically, thoughtlessly, and continually euphemize, deny, and conceal the mafia's criminal behaviors and intentions. Political correctness, which Malta notes is perhaps a decadent, vestigial and unbalanced form of Christian sentiment, is no creation of Islam, yet meshes fearfully well with Islam's modes of penetration and slow domination, enhancing them and permitting Islamic intimidation to work more subtly, quietly, subliminally, behind the scenes. In many ways Islam creeps very stealthfully and imperceptibly into increasing control over the societies it penetrates. It is a very peculiar accident that political correctness should provide such a superb camouflage for the operation of Islam's stealthy and predatory social entelechy. A powerfully insidious social poison develops from the confluence of Islam's intimidating style together with political correctness. Those who would criticize Islam's supremacist goals and practices are thus attacked from two sides at once, effectively flanked and encircled, which of course is a very difficult, often terminal, battle position to be put in. The flanking movements of Islam, camouflaged by the atmosphere of political correctness, are far from completed though, and the West can still escape. I think there is no way Islam can win in the end, though it's possible everyone could lose.

Posted by: traeh at April 12, 2007 7:48 PM

if you want to protest one faith in getting precedence over another one here in the USA as this the way Islam is practiced in Moslem countrieshere is the legal counsels e-mail address dianna.cusick@minneapolis.edu this sort of thing is the camel's nose in the tent with the body to follow what's next the banning of Jewish students attending this collegebecause it might offend Muslim students because people they consider to be in violation of sharia law because they are not paying jizha and being good little dhimmi by attending the same classes and probably getting higher grades than Islamic students or the destroying of Christian facilities on campus if there are any fair is fair long as Muslims in the Middle East do not recognize other religions as equals but insists that it must be superiorto all other religions and with that attitude all long will it be before they insist that sharia law be followed at a schooland every separate schools for men and women with male only teachers in the men's school and female only the women school and the women must wear the hijab and that Jewish students be banned from the school maybe I am being paranoid but this seems to be the way throughout history that Muslims have taken over areas and this need to be stopped in Muslims do not want to obey the law of the land and demand special privileges for their faith they need to be told go back home as their faith is only one among many and all faiths are equal before the law in this country where are not the Koran says different

Posted by: godisnotallha at April 12, 2007 8:33 PM

Why would the ACLU help in this matter? I have never seen the ACLU come out against anything that was Muslim. Please provide info to restore my faith in this slimy institution called the ACLU.

Posted by: Briars at April 12, 2007 9:45 PM

From my experience, the school probably got sick of the bathrooms being totally trashed. The muslim students I observed took coffee cans into the stalls and used the toilets to wash, getting water everywhere.
Still there is no excuse for this blatant submission to islam. This same school forbids any sign of Christmas on campus.
http://www.foxnews.com/ click on the Mosque and State link, Top Video

Posted by: interestinconundrum at April 12, 2007 10:27 PM

What double standards! We cannot go on their holy land and they are taking over here! We cannot have religion in the school. They can! They want to blow up the children and school buses and we let them in! It is coming I tell ya, this is going way to far! To get them out, maybe they should be forced to prove their religious beliefs! Their religious beliefs should be labled not a religion. It is a cult! It should be banned and they cannot live without it so go back home!
All these places taken and used by people from another land before we can even use it! Is wrong, wrong, wrong! How can anyone feel safe anymore?
I sure would not want my children to go to college there. Of coarse we know they don't disinfect it, for they are against alcohol! The government is giving us to many problems! Something is going to break!

Posted by: MZ at April 12, 2007 11:11 PM

I am a member of the Religion of DADA. I demand UPSIDE DOWN urinals!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 12:51 AM

Especially for those in Minnesota...below are the e-mail addresses for relevant elected and school officials. Send some e-mails and let people know that the school's actions are unconstitutional AND an immense breach of the division between church and state, not to mention will lead to a never ending list of "simple" "accomodations" as we've seen in Europe.

Evidence of what Muslims would like to see happen to the PUBLIC schools in all of our countries, can be seen in the recent suggestions made by England's "The Muslim Council of Britain" which basically turns the English schools into Madrassas.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/downloads/Schoolinfoguidance.pdf

THE E-MAIL ADDRESSES:

The School's Attorney:

Dianna.Cusick@minneapolis.edu

The School's President:

davisph@minneapolis.edu

The Minneapolis City Council and Mayor:

rt@minneapolis.org, paul.ostrow@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, cam.gordon@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, diane.hofstede@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, barbara.johnson@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, don.samuels@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, robert.lilligren@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, lisa.goodman@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, liz.glidden@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, gary.schiff@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, ralph.remington@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, scott.benson@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, sandy.roy@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, sandra.roy@ci.minneapolis.mn.us, betsy.hodges@ci.minneapolis.mn.us

Relevant MN State and Federal Elected Officials:

LHIGGINS@NMPLS.COM, sen.larry.pogemiller@senate.mn, SCOTOFMPLS@AOL.COM, INFO@PATRICIAFORSENATE.ORG, rep.joe.mullery@house.mn, DIANE@DIANELOEFFLER.COM, Phyllis@Kahnline.com, FHORNSTEIN@MSN.COM, VOTEKAREN@AOL.COM, rep.neva.walker@house.mn, jim@jimdavnie.org, JEAN@JEANWAGENIUS.ORG, PTHISSEN@MN.RR.COM, tim@timwalz.org, john@klineforcongress.com, info@ramstad.org, info@mccollumforcongress.com, info@michelebachmann.com, pete4con@tekstar.com, campaign@oberstar.org, info@timpawlenty.com

Posted by: ingen_dhimmi at April 13, 2007 12:52 AM

Evidence of what Muslims would like to see happen to the PUBLIC schools in all of our countries, can be seen in the recent suggestions made by England's "The Muslim Council of Britain" which basically turns the English schools into Madrassas.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/downloads/Schoolinfoguidance.pdf

That is pretty disgustiing. WHY does Britain need a moslem council any old way?

They need a moslem-danger division in MI-5.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 1:11 AM

traeh:

You have a wonderfully clear mind. Thanks for your response.

Posted by: Malta_1565 at April 13, 2007 5:53 AM

Why must only people in MN write these guys? I'm in Colorado but i'm going to write them anyway. I think you all should too.

Posted by: Matt at April 13, 2007 12:34 PM

Minnesota is just the latest example of taxpayer funds being used to install foot washing facilities, which are clearly only required for religious purposes, in what were previously facilities provided for hygenic reasons.

If readers pursue the issue further with their local/state/federal govt agencies and depts (in all the western democracies), I'm sure they'll find other examples of foot washing facilities being provided at govt expense.

While these new muslim religious facilities may be suitably located in a symbolic sense (i.e. close to urination/defecation activity), I'm outraged that anyone's religious activity/belief is being pushed into my public space and that our tax dollars/pounds/euros are paying for it.

Posted by: veil416 at April 13, 2007 12:51 PM

OT numerous mooslimes have been complaining that the celebrating of our national day {Australia Day} causes them fear; these creeps want it stopped or at least, toned down nearly totally.
A phone poll was just conducted, the question being {something very similar to }"Do you think Australia is being influenced too much by minorities?"
99% voted YES!!!!!!!
There is hope after all!
Best wishes,

Posted by: fightback at April 13, 2007 12:53 PM

It looks like Australia is the only nation resisting the islamic invasion and takeover and taking substantive action against its subversive islamic element. In the US, the PC multiculturalists would never ask such a question; they love minorities and hate the "racist" majority. The more the minorities pollute and denigrate our culture, the happier the idiots in Washington are.

I voted for George Bush twice; the first time with enthusiasm and optimism; the second time for lack of a better choice, but I honestly believe that man has done more to permanently damage and potentially destroy this country than any politician in history. He's had plenty of help but he's in charge, so his monumental blunders and refusal to uphold his oath to defend the Constitution (protect our borders) will live forever in his tarnished legacy. How he could believe that his hideous "comprehensive" amnesty and full-fledged Mexican invasion of America immigration reform will reflect favorably on his "legacy" is a mystery to me. He knows this is not what the American people want, yet he is determined to have it. I guess he wants his legacy to reflect the aspirations of his fellow internationalist, globalist, UN one-worlders, who will thank him for his relentless campaign to eradicate our borders and dissolve our sovereignty. They will surely appreciate him and remember him fondly.

Posted by: Susanp at April 14, 2007 1:41 AM