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April 15, 2007

UK: "Pupils and teachers have been told by an official body not to stare at Muslims for fear of causing offence."

What are you looking at, dhimmi? "Don’t stare at Muslims says advice to schools," by Jason Allardyce and Abul Taher for the Sunday Times:

Pupils and teachers have been told by an official body not to stare at Muslims for fear of causing offence.
A document intended to educate against religious intolerance and sectarianism urges teachers to “make pupils aware of the various forms of Islamophobia, ie stares, verbal abuse, physical abuse”.
But Learning Teaching Scotland (LTS), which issued the advice to schools north of the border, has been criticised by politicians and Muslim leaders for going “over the top”.
The document states: “Some Muslims may choose to wear clothing or display their faith in a way that makes them visible. For example, women may be wearing a headscarf, and men might be wearing a skullcap. Staring or looking is a form of discrimination as it makes the other person feel uncomfortable, or as though they are not normal.”

You can't make this stuff up.

Osama Saeed, a spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain, accused officials of going too far. “There are far more serious elements of Islamophobia. People look at all sorts of things — that can just be a glance. A glance and a stare are two different things — glances happen naturally when all sorts of things catch your eye whereas a stare is probably gawking at something.
“Personally I have not encountered much of a problem with people staring. I don’t know how you legislate for that.”

It does beg a legal definition of "staring." Three seconds? Five seconds? Was anyone carrying a stopwatch?

Murdo Fraser, deputy leader of the Scottish Conservatives, said: “In a multicultural society like ours there are people with all different forms of dress and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect children in particular to look at those who are differently dressed from them. To describe this as a form of discrimination seems to go completely over the top.”

Posted by Marisol at April 15, 2007 6:58 PM
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Please don't stare at the wild animals.

In the case of Muslims, just sit, cross your legs, and show them the soles of your shoes.

Posted by: Pelayo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 7:04 PM

Gee if you dont want people looking at you , maybe you should go away.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 7:05 PM

This is like something from a George Orwell novel.

Posted by: BlowHammed [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 7:12 PM

So, staring "is a form of discrimination as it makes the other person feel uncomfortable".

Non muslims feel extremely uncomfortable in the presence of people wearing niqabs, especially at airports and the like. That would make wearing a niqab discrimination against non muslims then, would it?

Posted by: Paul [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 7:30 PM

"Non muslims feel extremely uncomfortable in the presence of people wearing niqabs, especially at airports and the like. That would make wearing a niqab discrimination against non muslims then, would it?

Posted by: Paul at April 15, 2007 07:30 PM "

Its like seeing a Nazi or a Klans men dressed up for some fun

Posted by: KAOSKTRL [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 8:15 PM

Holy crap. This takes me back to when I was around 5, in the car, next to my annoying siblings.

"Mommy she's lookin at meeeeeee!"

Posted by: JadeDragoness [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 8:21 PM

To avoid being bitten by a muslim, remember some basic hints. And parents, remind your children!
Be a tree! Stand still. Cross your hands in front of your chest. Don't run or yell.
Don't stare right at a muslim who comes up to you. Watch him out of the corner of your eye.
If a muslim chases you, stop. Don't scream.(CAIR might sue you) just walk away slowly backwards.
If a muslim chases you on your bike, stop, get off your bike, and put your bike between you and the muslim.
Be careful going up to muslims you don't know. Not all muslims are friendly.
If you have permission to speak to someone else's muslim, don't run up to him or grab him. Walk up slowly and quietly and let the muslim sniff your hand first. Then pet the muslim gently under the chin.
Don't treat a strange muslim like your own--your own muslim may permit you to do things that frighten or anger a muslim who doesn't know you.
Don't play rough with any muslim.
If a muslim growls at you, or if it moves away, don't chase after him.
Don't frighten or startle a muslim especially when it's sleeping.
Don't try to take a toy or food away from a muslim..
Don't try to pet a muslim through a fence, car window, or cage.
Don't try to punish a muslim. Never hit at one.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 8:26 PM

Do not deny Iran nuclear weapons, because this might cause offense.

Do not capture bin Laden, because this might cause offense.

Do not stop just retribution by the faithful, because this would cause offense.

Do not oppose anything that is the will of Allah, because this is an offense.

Submit, keep your eyes downcast, do not raise you arm or hand to a Muslim, wear headcovering if a woman, comport yourself as Islam commands you will.

Do not stay in Britain unless you submit to Islam because this might cause offense.

Do not criticize public television shows on moderate Islam.

Do not criticize immigration on Comment is Free at Guardian UK, because then you will be banned.

Re: Catherine Johnson “Out on the streets, the kids are scared too”

Out on the streets, the kids are scared too


Catherine Johnson
Sunday April 8, 2007
The Observer

First post starts out:

""oldatlantic", why would you pinpoint immigration as the cause of this problem?"

But there is no oldatlantic post above it. It is gone. Old Atlantic was a bad Dhimmi, and UK Guardian deleted all his comments, because someone was offended.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 8:44 PM

OT:
When Russian Billionaire Ramon Abramovich moved to the U.K. recently, did he know what he was getting into? Not to mention he is also Jewish. It would be like a frog moving into a den of rattlesnakes. I have great admiration for this man.

Posted by: The Resistance [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 8:58 PM

1899 Winston Churchill
““How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog....

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 8:59 PM

Staring in disbelief at this retrograde stupidity.

(Makes me one to paint "open eyes" on my eyelids just to make sure there's never any question about how I feel concerning such dhimmidiocy.)

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 9:00 PM

That's some funny stuff Joe. I couldn't resist...

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Chapter 10 (commencing with Section 42502) is added to Division 11 of the Food and Agricultural Code, to read:

CHAPTER 1. POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS AND VICIOUS MUSLIMS Article 1. Findings, Definitions, and General Provisions

42502. The Legislature finds and declares all of the following:

(a) Potentially dangerous and vicious Muslims have become a serious and widespread threat to the safety and welfare of citizens of this state. In recent years, they have assaulted without provocation and seriously injured numerous individuals, particularly Infidels, and have killed numerous members of their own family. Many of these attacks have occurred in public places.

(b) The number and-severity of these attacks are attributable to the failure of Infidels to identify, track, and properly deport vicious and potentially dangerous Muslims.

(c) The necessity for the regulation and control of vicious and potentially dangerous Muslims is a statewide problem, requiring statewide regulation, and existing laws are inadequate to deal with the threat to public health and safety posed by vicious and potentially dangerous Muslims.

Posted by: butterfly [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 9:01 PM

Now see, I prefer to ignore them and look right pass them.

Unless I need something from them (and I never have unless you count the gas I need for my car) I don't initiate anything with them.

But then I bet not acknowledging their presence in your space is islamophobia, too?

Posted by: 3812Michelle [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 9:35 PM

Dhimmi's;
Hurry through the streets, always passing to the left (impure) side of a Muslim, who was expected to force him to the narrow side or into the gutter. Walk humbly with lowered eyes, to accept insults without replying, to remain standing in a meek and respectful attitude in the presence of a Muslim and to leave him the best place.

Americans;
Don't be in a hurry, watch your back, keep right, head up, eyes always seeing who and whats around you. Don't take crap from anyone, and report any thing that CAIR says to ignore.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 9:52 PM

What doesn't offend them?

Posted by: Daisytoo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 10:08 PM

Generally, those in a superior caste or social status do not like to have those of a lower caste or class look directly at them. The under class is expected to avert their eyes when addressing or interacting with a member of the dominant group. Not doing so can be seen as rebellion against the established order. Smiling directly at a superior can be seen as mocking and and a simple gaze can be misconstrued as threatening.

And no one likes to look into the eyes of someone they have been raised to consider less worthy than themselves in case they see something that undermines that part of their reality.

Posted by: Saul Wall [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 10:23 PM

That was funny Joe. This in from Florida:

If you need to report a nuisance Muslim,
call (1-866-FWC-ISLAM).

What is a nuisance Muslim? Generally, Muslims may be considered a nuisance when they are at least four feet in length and pose a threat to people or their pets or property. Muslims less than four feet in length are naturally fearful of people and are not generally capable of eating anything larger than a small turtle. They are typically not dangerous to people unless someone attempts to handle them. Also, they are common in Florida, and the mere presence of a small Muslim is not cause for concern, even when they turn up in places where people may not expect to see them. However, occasionally Muslims less than four feet in length are legitimate problems and must be addressed. If a Muslim less than four feet in length approaches people, does not retreat if approached, is in a location that is not natural, or is found marching in the street with a green headband and an AK-47, call the Nuisance Muslim Hotline at 1-866-FWC-ISLAM.

http://myfwc.com/gators/nuisance.htm

Posted by: pez [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 10:31 PM

Daisytoo

its not muslims making these "thought crime" laws but the marxists that run the UK at home, ie the media, local government, community services, councils. its called class war activism, to split apart the nuclear family, keep the populace in fear and to spread islamic ideas to formulate a uk in total flux.

we need to fight the marxists, the liberals and socialism in all its forms.

political correctness was first termed by the soviets. please always remember that and fight anyone whom uses this term.


Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 10:35 PM

"The poll also found that 74% of Muslims believe they are loyal to Britain and 78% of Muslims said they had confidence in Britain’s police force — a higher proportion than the rest of the population."

wow, the marxists are really trying hard to pretend that the muslims should be giventhe keys to the UK.

believe me, once muslims start to threaten the marxists then you will see mass genocide, on a scale of stalin.

end marxism and their muslim stooges will be left politically impotent.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 10:38 PM

officer:
how come you run over this muslim person?
motorist:
I was taught it was be impolite to stare so I looked away, and i missed seeing him crossing the road.

Posted by: chevalier de st george [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 15, 2007 11:08 PM

pez-

Allah-gators?

*~@):~{>

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 12:04 AM

Wow, unbelieveable! What next? "Don't think [bad] about muslims"? They would use polygraph to determine real dhimmi and deport others.

Okay, enough. Guys, have you heard this story?

PBC pulls film on moderate U.S. Muslims

PBC says this honest film is "an ideological vendetta". I think that's much more serious than that staring stuff.

Posted by: vn [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 1:37 AM

This is beyond asinine! As if muslims don't already make enough arrogant demands for accomodation of their unique and superior religion and culture, the PC sycophants have now become clairvoyants and cater to muslim sensitivities in advance of official demands. How absolutely hospitable of them! I wonder if all minorities get the same special attention and consideration, or if the natives are even noticed other than when that most heinous of all crimes is committed---islamophobia.

It is very sad and disturbing to realize that "islamophobia" has become part of the official lexicon of the school system, and children are given specific, detailed instructions on how to interact with their muslim classmates. I cannot think of a better way to isolate and alienate muslim pupils than to focus on their strange clothing and habits and tell the other children that they must be nice, polite, and noncommittal even if the muslims look and act strange. That's like telling them that some of their classmates are aliens from outer space but they must pretend that there is nothing unusual about them.

There are many inimical and divisive elements of multiculturalism, but this situation is a perfect example of the irrationality of moral relativism. Multiculturalists posit that all cultures and races are of equal value and therefore, all people are equal, the same. Simultaneously, they contend that a person's worth and identity are inexorably tied to his "tribe" or ethnic group, which is worthy of our utmost respect and reverence, although their respect for us is optional. Multiculturalism is purportedly the panacea for racism, yet it is the essence of racism and separatism. The social engineers claim that all people are the same, while lauding the distinctions between ethnic and cultural groups that engender the vitality and mosaic of diversity. They never mention the disparities that engender conflict and discord.

I suppose that if a child is brainwashed from birth until adulthood to believe the most obvious falsehood, most will believe it. Look at muslims to appreciate the power of brainwashing and indoctrination. I was not a victim of indoctrination, at least not today's insidious moral relativism, which I can readily dismiss as pure bullshit. But our deplorable government schools are indoctrinating today's kids in multiculturalism and I don't know if they will emerge from these deplorable institutions with the ability to make value judgements.

Western Civilization is far superior to islam and all other primitive cultures and anyone who honestly believes otherwise is not in his right mind. Western people owe nothing to the primitives of the third world, and we are under no obligation to allow them to invade our countries, raid our treasuries, and disrupt our lives and societies.

I challenge anyone to name one way that islam and muslims have "enriched" European or American societies, just one positive, constructive, benefical contribution. There are none, and we all know it. But "officials", like in this school, seem to be either captivated or cowed by them and "demand" that we not only tolerate muslims, but treat them with kid gloves as if they were better than we, more deserving of respect and appeasement. Why? If this continues, islamophobia will escalate until it reaches an untenable crescendo.

Posted by: Susanp [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 1:43 AM

believe me, once muslims start to threaten the marxists then you will see mass genocide, on a scale of stalin.

end marxism and their muslim stooges will be left politically impotent.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer

I'll drink to that!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 1:44 AM

Sticks & stones may break my bones, but looks could kill

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 2:44 AM

"officer:
how come you run over this muslim person?
motorist:
I was taught it was be impolite to stare so I looked away, and i missed seeing him crossing the road.


Posted by: chevalier de st george "

Very good, Sir! And I don't think you are that far off the mark.

Was it last year in the UK that someone got into trouble for revving his car in "an aggressive way" while a couple of muslims walked nearby? (Not sure).

It does seem as if the left are doing almost as much kowtowing as muslims are demanding.

More's the pity as that makes two distinct enemies.

Posted by: Gramfan [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 2:56 AM

Imagine my thoughts when reading this post after I came across the following:
" Don't stare at the apes, zoo tells visitors "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/16/wzoo16.xml

Posted by: Cynic [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 5:22 AM

Leonthepigfarmer-

Leon, if you thought that socialism was bad in England, you wouldn't believe what a bunch of foaming at the mouth Trots they are North of the border.

Why'd you think the Labour party is full of Jocks?.

Posted by: Wishbone [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 5:58 AM

Cynic
Read your link-hilarious-one couldn't make this stuff up!
Chevalier St George
Very witty.

Well, a cat may look at a King but we Infidels may not look at Muslims.JWatchers-THINK OUR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING DENIED HERE!!A chance for a RIOT docha' think-start burning black flags with strange writing on 'em,every burka & koran we can find also stoning cardboard cutouts of
Mosques-maybe some P.C Politicians will take notice at last...

Posted by: Morgane [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 6:10 AM

....pull out a disposable camera and start taking their pictures....it really drives them wild....they become unglued...

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 6:12 AM

I don't want to look at them, I want them gone.

Posted by: interestinconundrum [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 11:52 AM

And more from the poll

The Gallup poll, which is part of the biggest global survey of Muslims, shows 57% of Muslims identified with Britain as their home, compared with 48% of the rest of the population.

Well you can take that whichever you like, but I see it as a very bad sign.

Posted by: DP111 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 7:45 PM

"You lookin' at me, punk ? "

Hmm ... Seems our "don't-be-dissin'-me" gang-bangers and our Muslims of the terribly delicate sensibilities have some similarities in attitude?

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 16, 2007 8:39 PM

I wish I COULD confine my looking to a stare...unfortunately-these days, it almost always manifests as a "dirty look" BUT, I think they have earned it

Posted by: sheiknbake4pork [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 17, 2007 7:43 AM

Since when is "Looking at me in a funny way" on the criminal statute books?

Posted by: londongirl [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 17, 2007 8:13 AM

It was from Scotland that the term "racist revving" originated:

http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17762264&method=full&siteid=64736&headline=racist-rev-row--name_page.html

Posted by: watling [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 17, 2007 11:33 AM

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