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The laws concerning food purity and quality in the U.S. are designed to provide the reasonable assurance that the food you buy will not make you physically ill. Your soul, however, is necessarily your business, because due to varying beliefs, one man's ticket to perdition is another man's brunch.
Meanwhile, in Illinois, "many Muslims, however, are frustrated that the law fails to define exactly what is halal," which would, of course, start the state on the slippery slope of mediating the application of Sharia law.
"Muslims in quandary over state food law," by Margaret Ramirez for the Chicago Tribune:
As a Muslim mom and teacher, Dilara Sayeed struggles to find the best food to nourish her family and feed their devout faith.
She wants beef and chicken that are healthy as well as halal: slaughtered and blessed according to Islamic law. Yet often she finds there are limits to the information available from the supermarket or even her neighborhood Muslim grocer. So she, like many Muslims, must trust in God that she is not being deceived.
"Sometimes I just can't get all the answers, so I make an assumption that I'm being served in an honorable way," said Sayeed, of Naperville. "I wish it wasn't true, but there may be some people who are abusing that trust."
Five years after Illinois lawmakers passed legislation making it illegal to falsely label or sell food as halal, the rules still have not gone into effect and the law is not being enforced. Because there are multiple interpretations of what constitutes halal, debates about how the law would work have proved difficult and divisive.
But after years of stalled discussions, Muslim leaders are hammering out a plan to implement the law. Many, however, say the result is likely to be a bureaucratic mess because of the new registration process and the nearly 30-page questionnaire that must be filled out by every grocer, restaurant owner, meat processor and farmer who prepares or sells halal food.
The Illinois statute, modeled after a New Jersey law, requires anyone selling or producing halal food to register with the state for a $75 fee and fill out a disclosure form by checking off boxes indicating how the food was obtained and who certified the product as halal. Since New Jersey passed the nation's first halal law in 2000, similar laws have taken effect in nearly a dozen states.
"With this law, a Muslim consumer is empowered," said Mazhar Hussaini, director of the halal food program for the Islamic Society of North America. "He has to show [the disclosure form to] whoever asks for it. We cannot rely on just the grocer's word, and we can trace the meat from farm to retail store."
Illinois lawmakers say the act purposely does not define halal to allow for the multiple standards in the community. For some Muslims, halal means only avoiding pork or alcohol; others favor hand-slaughter by a Muslim over machine slaughter. Still another growing movement of Muslims argues that halal goes beyond slaughter to how the animals are raised. These Muslims insist that only meat from animals that were raised on organic or natural farms and were slaughtered in a humane way are halal.
Meeting with lawmakers
Last month, several Muslim community leaders met with state lawmakers at a public hearing to discuss what questions would be on the disclosure form. The state Department of Agriculture submitted comments from the hearing to a joint committee and is awaiting approval.
Because the state cannot certify what is halal, officials want all pertinent information on the form so consumers can make purchases according to their own standard. Statements on the form ask, for example, whether the animal was facing Mecca when slaughtered and whether the person performing slaughter is Muslim.
Many Muslims, however, are frustrated that the law fails to define exactly what is halal. Others say the check-box system is inadequate, unenforceable and likely to encourage more fraud.
Shireen Pishdadi, Muslim outreach coordinator for Faith in Place, a religious environmentalist group in Chicago and one of the law's most vocal opponents, believes the statute should be rewritten to provide better oversight and stricter limits for the use of the word "halal." Pishdadi, who created the Taqwa food cooperative that provides halal organic meat to Chicago's Muslim community, fears the law would discourage farmers from working with Muslims.
"The problem we have is that the Muslim community knows little about the food industry and the lawmakers have little understanding of Islam," she said. "Muslims could really raise the standard of food and be part of the solution."
[...]
Independent certification
Because there is no single Islamic authority that supervises halal, dozens of companies and Islamic centers have established their own halal certification for food, meat and products like cosmetics and vitamins. Some Muslim certification companies have begun selling their own products, presenting a conflict of interest.
Muhammad Munir Chaudry, president of the Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America, based in Chicago, heads the largest Muslim certification company in the nation and labels approved products with a big "M" set inside a crescent. Chaudry had hoped the law would provide for oversight of certification agencies to ensure they are objective.
For Chaudry, the halal law is largely symbolic and the burden remains on the consumer to find out whether the food is halal. Chaudry said he has investigated local markets that claimed to sell halal meat and found that in two cases the meat came from a kosher plant.
"There is a false sense of security because the consumers think, 'Well, now there is a halal law, so everybody must be following it.' And the shopkeepers are saying, 'No one is stopping us, so let's keep doing it,'" Chaudry said.
Enforcement of the law is sure to be difficult, said Dr. Colleen O'Keefe, a veterinarian who manages the state Department of Agriculture's food safety and animal protection division. O'Keefe, who is overseeing the law's implementation, said there is no budget for halal inspectors.
As it should be.
"The community is going to have to enforce the law," she said. "The purchaser will have to do their homework, and the buyers will have to investigate whether the check marks are correct."
[...]
Besides enforcement, some Muslims are troubled that the law does not take into account the origin of the animals and whether they were disease-free, fed with pork-based protein or treated with hormones or antibiotics. There are also no questions about the disclosure form addressing humane slaughter.
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"The problem we have is that the Muslim community knows little about the food industry and the lawmakers have little understanding of Islam," she said. "Muslims could really raise the standard of food and be part of the solution."
How about you all take a little trip to the meat market in Marikesh them come back and educate us...Better yet, just stay.
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at April 24, 2007 12:41 AM
That 30 page questionnaire could be a 300 page questionnaire.
And that $ 75.00 fee could be $ 750.00 or why not $ 7.500.00 dollar fee, why not?
We have to start somewhere....
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 24, 2007 12:49 AM
The Land of Lincoln…
There is a wedge opportunity with halal meat. To cut an animal’s throat without stunning it, and holding it in a certain direction as it winces and bleeds to death would make for a great U Tube video.
Don’t look to PETA, their agenda seems to be a little wider than the ethical treatment of animals:
Muslims expect their meat to be "halal," meaning produced and slaughtered humanely and in the ritual Islamic manner.
http://www.petaindia.com/600morator.html
p.s. Sheik; good idea but you're low. Make the halal sellers fund their own inspectors (and supervisors, and the associated benefits, and retirements, and conferences in Arizona). The government makes ~$50k for a residential building permit plus tens of thousands of dollars in annual taxes.
Pay as you go.
Posted by: pez at April 24, 2007 1:11 AM
On the upside, the government heavy handedness(that's nothing unusual in IL) and filing fees could mean that fewer grocers will bother to sell moslem meat.
Posted by: dm60462 at April 24, 2007 1:30 AM
I'm assuming that these laws work like the kosher food laws in many states.
In New York some years back the Kosher food law was found unconstitutional as it defined kosher as being to "ortodox standards", which is hard to define anyway and really not for the state to be defining. The New Jersey law is much better, it states that for an establishment to declare itself kosher it has to say what standards it follows (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform etc) and the who certified the place as Kosher. So If I go to a resturant and I see that the Rabbi of Congregation X in teaneck has certified this place I can decide if that is acceptable. I assume it would also list his phone # so I can call him and ask him questions if needed.
Within the Jewish world there are always a few certifications that most people don't trust. If I see a certification that I don't know or know is not trustworthy I won't buy it. Most kosher keeping Jews in the USA have been living this way for years without problems.
I see no reason that a Hallal law can't work the same way. A butcher (For example) could have a sign in his window that says that Imam Y states that his meat is acceptable and if you decide to trust Imam Y then you are good to go, if not shop somewhere else. I can't see how the state could define what "Halel" is without violating the 1st amendment. The only time that the state should get involved is if someone states that Imam Z has certified a place and he hasn't, and then you have basic fraud, which is already illegal.
To be honest I can see that you could have 1 certification law for kosher, Halel, vegen and any other special category of food. It would be pretty simple, just state that we hold to this standard and if need that a known outside party will attest to that fact. The exact nature of what he is attesting is not important. It doesn't matter if the certification body is the Chicago Rabbinical Council (Kosher), the Cook county Islamic socity (which I just made up) Or the greater chicago vegan club.
at April 24, 2007 1:34 AM
This has nothing to do with personal needs or preferences.
Those things are properly and normally handled privately, within communities, by private market solutions tailored to the standards of private communities.
This is ALL about seizing the levers of power.
If they just want halal meat they can make it, sell it and buy it amongst themselves.
The gov't is irrelevant -- and normal religious communities want the gov't as far as possible from sacred matters.
They don't want halal meat. They want LAW POWER and CONTROL.
And the anti-American media will be beating the drum for them.
Posted by: joeblough at April 24, 2007 1:42 AM
I'm so sick and tired of this self righteous religiosity imposed on the entire population. Why the hell can't they take responsibility for it like we Jews take care of our kashrut. I don't depend on the government to make sure everything marked with heckshers is kosher. The Orthodox Union and other rabbinic authorities take care of it. Some have a great reputation for the level hashgaha others lose their hechsher so I don't buy it. What am I going to do, wring my hands and ring up the government?
Posted by: Kemaste at April 24, 2007 2:12 AM
From Marisol's comments on this article:
Jews in the United States have long handled the regulation of kosher food in the private sector (most notably through the certification of the Orthodox Union)
I'd just like to point out to you that what you say above is not accurate. See this Orthodox Union article, for example.
Federal and/or State legislation is required to simply define some minimal definition of what constitutes brazen fraud when packaging is labeled kosher when it absolutely is not.
Those that know me here know that I am no advocate for Islam. And in this case, some Muslims may want to go above and beyond similar legal demands. I just want to set the record straight.
Posted by: Shy Guy at April 24, 2007 2:22 AM
I think I see a solution here . Jihad!
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 24, 2007 3:14 AM
Oh and can you list the glycemic index on the label while your at it?
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 24, 2007 3:15 AM
My hope is that the restrictions on those who could be selling halal food will be discouraged by the paperwork and fees, and by the requirements to face the animal towards Mecca and slice open its neck while it is conscious and to have only Muslim workers do the killing, and will decide to skip it. And my hope is that the Islamic rumor-mill will work overtime with conspiracy theories about how the infidels are tampering with halal food, or are being dishonest in marking food as halal. Remember, we infidels are najis, filthy, the same level as feces. We cannot be trusted. My hope is that halal food is more and more difficult to find, more and more untrustworthy.
My hope is that Muslims are encouraged in their belief that their way of life is incompatible with the filthy kafirs, that their life here is unbearable and untenable.
Posted by: special_guest at April 24, 2007 3:29 AM
This law is, of course, entirely unconstitutional. Something about the separation of chruch and state.
If the government accepts Islam's false status as an actual religion, then the government may not act on its behalf.
Too bad our judiciary is corrupt, and has been since the early '60s, when the Constitution was cast aside in favor of leftist activism.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 24, 2007 4:20 AM
We have to stop this nonsense now. There are no laws that I know of that regulates a kosher restaurant, or certifies kosher food suppliers. When are the American people going ot wake up? Muslims do not have the intellegence to form a private consortium to provide halal food. So, they rely on infidels to do it for them, then attack those same infidels for not doing it fast enough or thorough enough.
No more Mulsim immigration.
Posted by: Pelayo at April 24, 2007 6:13 AM
There are also no questions about the disclosure form addressing humane slaughter.
Where are PETA, and ASPCA going to be on this? Slaughtering animals the Mohammedan way is not quick and anything but humane. It is inhumane, just like the religion.
Posted by: Pelayo at April 24, 2007 6:22 AM
I just realized something, Illinois has a very good idea. That is, put up enough red tape and no producer will even attempt to join the halal parade. Yeah, that's the ticket, make it so difficult that there will be no halal producers.
Posted by: Pelayo at April 24, 2007 6:27 AM
Could you say it is all in the mind? To be different from the "other", to control, to demonstrate your "uniqueness", being better than the "other"?
Just what other life-form on this planet has a problem with halal, kosher, vegan, organic and hundreds more irrelevant dietary silliness?
We humans are so f***d up.
Sometimes I do despair of the human intellect. Or the lack of it.
Gah!
Posted by: pr126 at April 24, 2007 6:37 AM
First the State have in interest in stoping people from claiming that they meat is beef when in fact it is pork meat. Shoot the cow in the head to stun it before cut it thoat doesnot alway work the way it should the bullet can kill the cow before it thoat can be cut than the prayer to Allah can be done Muslim arenot allow to eat meat from dead animal .
Posted by: DefenderofIslam at April 24, 2007 7:17 AM
Pishdadi, who created the Taqwa food cooperative that provides halal organic meat to Chicago's Muslim community, fears the law would discourage farmers from working with Muslims.
Good. Maybe they'll all starve to death.
Posted by: venividivici at April 24, 2007 7:19 AM
First the State have in interest in stoping people from claiming that they meat is beef when in fact it is pork meat.
Some real solid research is being done right now on how to sneak pork meat into beef in such a way that it is undetectable.
I think people, even Moslems, are sick and tired of water-engorged chicken flesh. Pork, the other white meat, is delectable and undetectable. It is our duty to share this fine feast with all, even our Mohammedan friends.
Maybe it'll calm 'em down a bit.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 24, 2007 7:36 AM
I'm just shocked that food companies haven't already taken the lead and placed a prominent Islamic crescent on halal food. It would be a fantastic marketing move, don't you think? I for one would love to know which companies feel the need to bow and scape before our enemies.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at April 24, 2007 7:49 AM
How would you like your meat?! "for everyone to know what it is called people must learn our religion and respect it and all the words it is halal! We want it killed in a humane way!" OK MAM, I'll get a 12 year old kid and he can cut it's head off! Good idearr!!"
Posted by: MZ at April 24, 2007 7:59 AM
I just realized something, Illinois has a very good idea. That is, put up enough red tape and no producer will even attempt to join the halal parade. Yeah, that's the ticket, make it so difficult that there will be no halal producers.
Posted by: Pelayo
Either that or the price of halal meat will be a luxury the average muslim could never afford...
Posted by: eloivsdiablo at April 24, 2007 8:12 AM
I have been hearing some bad statistics! 300 million muslims here! 300 million illegal mexicans! I really really thought they would tightened up after 9-11! But NOOOOooooooooooo! I can't go no where! My son finally is moving out of California! Thank God! But where do you go? Can't go to Florida, can't go to New York, can't go to Ohio, Chicago, nor Detroit! Where is a good place!? Wisconsin is a hot spot too!!! I would not let my children attend the school if this were happening here! They cannot respect my Jesus and Easter for the children but yet we must go out of our way to learn all these F cultures before we can enjoy ours, which is dissappearing! I am ready to move to Canada and so many others! When I go to a store the discrimination is on me! I am sick of it!! This is bull when I hear, "Now ,now, they have just as many rights as you do!" Oh YA!!!!""" I have been here alot longer! I cannot go to their land and do this and neither can they!"""""!!!!!!!I hope they leave!
Posted by: MZ at April 24, 2007 8:23 AM
Shy Guy--
Many thanks for the clarification. I did consult a Jewish friend on this before posting, but she wasn't aware of the New York law.
Marisol Seibold
Jihad Watch News Editor
at April 24, 2007 8:45 AM
Ya, lets make this a problem of the State. In 20 years you won't even recognize your own country because it won't be yours.
at April 24, 2007 8:53 AM
Illinois gov't will screw it up. Bully for them.
Don't try it across the river in Missouri. Those Missouri bastards would be on legislators who'd support this like flies on haram... if you know what I mean. But Illinois is notoriously liberal and will pay the price. So it goes.... (RIP Kurt Vonnegut)
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 24, 2007 9:39 AM
The Chicago Tribune reporter who wrote this article, Margaret Ramirez, twice slips in the subliminal assumption that Islamic slaughter is "more humane" than conventional slaughter:
[A "growing movement" of...] Muslims insist that only meat from animals that were raised on organic or natural farms and were slaughtered in a humane way are halal.
some Muslims are troubled that the law... [has] no questions about the disclosure form addressing humane slaughter.
Just Google "halah slaughter" to find the many animal welfare organizations around the world that find Islamic slaughter to be inhumane.
Example:
The Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), which advises the government on how to avoid cruelty to livestock, says the way Kosher and Halal meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals.
Both the Jewish and Muslim religions demand that slaughter is carried out with a single cut to the throat, rather than the more widespread method of stunning with a bolt into the head before slaughter.
Kosher and Halal butchers deny their method of killing animals is cruel and have expressed anger over the recommendation.
'Clearly suffering'
One worshipper at the Central London Mosque told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Everything about the Islamic way of life is under attack so it makes you wonder if this is actually about humanity to animals."
Peter Jinman, president of the British Veterinary Association said vets respected people's religious beliefs, but urged Muslims to be respectful of animals too.
The brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain
Muslim Council of Great Britain
"We're looking at what is acceptable in the moral and ethical society we live in," he told Today.
FAWC said it wanted an end to the exemption currently allowed for Kosher and Halal meat from the legal requirement to stun animals first.
It says cattle can take up to two minutes to bleed to death - amounting to an abuse of the animals.
"This is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous," said FAWC chairwoman, Dr Judy MacArthur Clark.
Posted by: remote_control at April 24, 2007 9:49 AM
Interesting how that mother doesn't have any proof of food producers selling fake halal meat, just that they "may be". As for Kosher food being labeled halal, I could have sworn that the Koran permits Muslims to eat Kosher food.
Posted by: aynrandgirl at April 24, 2007 9:53 AM
"It is not what goes into your mouth, but what comes out of it that makes you 'unclean'."
Dietary Laws are primeval hallucinations.
All living matter is DNA.
Segregating it for any other reason than taste and safety (blowfish livers, undercooked meat) is ultimately meaningless.
But makes some people feel 'superior'.
Good luck with that.
at April 24, 2007 9:56 AM
The imams should just get together, create a certifying authority to oversee halal slaughterers, register a trademark, and be done with it.
The only circumstance where the state should be involved is if a butcher sells something under the trademark that did not, in fact, come from a certified slaughterhouse
Posted by: PapaBear at April 24, 2007 11:20 AM
So she, like many Muslims, must trust in God that she is not being deceived.Those who habitually deceive others (taqiyya)naturally expect to be deceived in kind. There is actually a very easy solution for this Muslim woman's problem: send her back to dar al islam, where she, as well as all other Muslims, belong. It will happen, eventually, both here and in Europe, if the Muslims are lucky. If they are not so lucky, worse things may happen. Those among them who can see a few steps ahead, will probably renounce Islam or leave the West in the next few years. Posted by: US_infidel
at April 24, 2007 11:36 AM
If I had an official State of Illinois document in front of me with a question on it whether an animal was or was not facing Mecca when it died I would begin to wonder where did we all go wrong.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 24, 2007 11:53 AM
Make the only halal food on the menu - PORK!
Posted by: infidel! at April 24, 2007 12:05 PM
I agree with Pelayo and eloivsdiablo - make it extremely complicated and expensive to produce halal food. In short, an operating reverse-jiziya, of sorts. That way, just as we are continually funding the jihad every time we fill up on gas, Muslims in this country would be giving something back everytime they shop for food.
Need to defray our funding of the enemy.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 24, 2007 12:27 PM
Let's see ... the last time I checked, the world was round, not flat, therefore virtually any direction would be facing mecca somewhere along the line, as would virtually any direction be facing San Francisco or London, etc, etc. I would therefore certify that the poor cow was facing mecca in some sense even if it was hanging upside down from the big old stainless steel meat hook.
The muslims need to get a life and realise this is the 21st century, not the 7th century when they didn't even know about a round earth. They are as bad as the flat earth people .. you go to this point and then you fall off.
Posted by: CelticCoyote at April 24, 2007 1:02 PM
The correct way to do this is to have a private certification organization trademark a symbol, and allow those manufacturers that get their permission display said symbol.
When the Islamacists demand laws to do this, they are going for ( eventually ) sharia.
Posted by: Kristopher at April 24, 2007 1:40 PM
Heres a suggestion, go to Saudi Arabia.
From what I understand ALL the food there is Halal
at April 24, 2007 3:05 PM
Halal foods = I don't shop there.
Posted by: senor doeboy at April 24, 2007 3:22 PM
The saddest thing is that the so-called "Halal" way of killing an animal is so much more painful to the poor animal itself that I find it quite hypocritical of Muslims to call it "humane" and I find it rather sickening that they want to make sure that the animal they eat has definitely gone through torture before dying! As far as I know the way they slaughter an animal in the halah way is by cutting the veins in its neck first, letting most of its blood stream out while the poor thing is still alive and convulsing in pain and fear and then after that slowly decapitate it! Much like they do with their hostage victims! It is a slow and painful death and to call it "humane" is the height of Muslim hypocrisy!
Posted by: ritamalik at April 24, 2007 4:01 PM
Whether the meat is halal is only part of her problem; I should think she'd worry that it wasn't local:
"... if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."
Per the glorious Ayatollah Khomeini.
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 24, 2007 4:08 PM
Thanks to Zach (quite a way above) for his clear explanation of how Jews organised a workable system to meet the needs of their own dietary code. And here we can see how the poor victim Muslims sit back and say "do it for me, this is too difficult".
We've seen it in Kosovo and Bosnia where they got the West to do their ethnic cleansing fighting for them. In London we see demands that their circumcisions should be done by the state run NHS, a body that refuses circumcisions to anyone other than Muslims! Again, the Jews just organised themselves a training and registration scheme for mohels.
Just another attempt at "I'm a Muslim, do it for me".
Posted by: Jeff at April 24, 2007 4:40 PM
CelticCoyote said
the last time I checked, the world was round, not flat, therefore virtually any direction would be facing mecca somewhere along the line
But according to the teachings of Muhammad (the Perfect Man and the Final Prophet) the earth is flat. End of proof, from the Islamic point of view. Are you one of those Islamophobes who would insult Muhammad by questioning his veractiy?
Posted by: special_guest at April 24, 2007 4:51 PM
Let them figure it out. The state should not get involved unless it is to inspect commercial food production facilities for cleanliness and cruelty.
Posted by: MP at April 24, 2007 5:17 PM
Muslims could really raise the standard of food and be part of the solution." from the story
Coming from some Irish immigrants as I do (we're talking over 160 yrs ago). I grew up hearing the phrase "the luck of the Irish".
Of course being a Christian, I really believe in God, not luck.
But lately I have begun to notice that Muslims have a certain luck here in the USA.
Not accusing anyone of complicity, I find it interesting that when changes that would reflect a more sharia-like atmosphere in this country are being sought after there always seems to be something like the recent problems with food safety to support the arguments. As our Congress is investigating the spinach and peanut butter scares this issue comes forth about Halal meat. What luck these Muslims have.
When the issue is about free speech vs hate speech along comes the issue of Don Imus/ Al Sharpton. What luck these Muslims have.
When there are rumours that guns would be better taken away from the individual who might defend his home and family with them along comes this crazy guy who massacres students at a University.
What luck these Muslims have.
I guess Lady Luck just gets in there and roots for them. Of course I repeat myself, I am sure that nothing has been orchestrated it was just luck.
Posted by: auntbea at April 24, 2007 5:48 PM
A halal diet is very unhealthy; a healthy diet requires pig fat. Without pig fat, the brain atrophies, resulting in hallucinations, delusions of grandeur, irrational behaviour and extremely violent tendencies.
If you don't believe me, just consider what happens in those countries that forbid pork.
Bring on the bacon!
Posted by: Aardvark at April 24, 2007 6:00 PM
About the Slaughter of the Animals and the Kafir
The blood seeps
drop by drop
and soon we won't be able
to stop the flood of the bleeding wound.
Once again, it's the awe of mohammed,
his sword and crescent moon.
Aunt Bea recounts what she sees.
Perhaps she's a seer,
she's studied her mohammed
and finds a freer life
without strife and submission
to a cult of death
a mission that's worth fighting for
until she draws her last breath.
at April 24, 2007 7:46 PM
So by "ensureing" thier food is halal and in every step they wish to be taken,from the second of the future foods birth to it's raising including all the food it's been fed and it's imunizations all the way to it's death.This should assure that these foods would be quite expensive to purchase what with all the records and leg work one would have to commit to.
Let me guess though these costs should be absorbed at the city or state levels or perhaps even a large raise in the welfare benefits so all underprivalaged and oppressed muslims can eat?
Does anyone else recall any other "religion " or "race" that demands such persoanl privaleges?
When will muslims get the point we didn't create our country for islam and islam alone?
I am so sick of these people talking and i am even sicker of those who appease them.
I am tired of money being stloen from my pockets to hand to any muslim anywhere,anytime.
It's all so pathetic....unbelievably pathetic.
For everything they damand here we should demand something in thier islamic countries.Lets actually see the benefits of equality in islam.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at April 24, 2007 8:20 PM
Poetess....nice poetry i see you post often.
heres one for you.
You all remember Andrew Dice clay? (personaly i couldn't stand the slime ball but....)
Hickory dickory dock islam can (boing) my (boing)!
Posted by: Dar al-harb at April 24, 2007 9:06 PM
These Muslims insist that only meat from animals that were raised on organic or natural farms and were slaughtered in a humane way are halal.
Since I dont eat meat of any kind (vegan), I will never die of mad cow, or trichinosis deadly worms in pork and also bear meat...it's all haram to me.
And this gem from defender of Islam...
"Muslim are not allow to eat meat from dead animal."
There is no such thing as 'living meat'. Eating something still alive, causes it's death. Do muslims munch on cow legs while the cow is still alive? Even then, the meat is dead as soon as it is separated from the living animals body. If what Defender says is true, all meat must be haram because all meat is dead. Allah told me, in one of his friendlier moments, that if'you are what you eat', means anything at all, those who eat dead animals are in a heep of trouble. Muslims are right on that one, except that to be right, means vegetarianism...
Posted by: duh_swami at April 25, 2007 2:37 AM
Allah told me, in one of his friendlier moments, that if'you are what you eat', means anything at all, those who eat dead animals are in a heep of trouble.
Posted by: duh_swami
Oh dear, I'm turning into a Haggis, which would explain why I run around hillsides in a clockwise direction!
Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at April 25, 2007 5:06 AM
These Islamists are able to mount a collective voice and a campaign to REFORM how Illinois government certifies their food supply, but are not able to muster a collective voice to REFORM ISLAM, or speak against the violent jihad to protect the lives and freedoms of non-Muslims around the globe.
They are very concerned about the food on their dinner table; But, are not troubled by the murders of innocent school children in Indonesia, nor of any of the other violent, vicious, insane, inhumane murders, torture or rapes that occur around the globe 24/7 in the spread of Islam and Mo-HAM-MAD.
If Illinois goes for this crap, then maybe we infidels need to demand a Christian certification, or an Infidel certification on our food supplies.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at April 26, 2007 10:18 AM
Haram certification or using a haram seal of approval might be a good thing for us infidels.
Take back Friday with Thank Goodness its Haram Friday. (TGIHF)
Haram Happy Hour for all the infidels who wish to imbibe forbidden haram moonshine at the appointed hour.
Haram Blue Plate Specials at lunch which are guaranteed to contain pork in some form.
Haram Hairdressers for the discerning infidelimah who wants to attract attention to how she looks.
Haram Mens' Warehouse for the haram alpha male who wants to look like he wants to rule the world through democracy and capitalism.
Haram Homes supplying homes of distinction to avowed infidels who prefer comfort, freedom and security against non-infidels and those who seek to undermine western civilization and decadence.
I'd never thought of haram as a good thing before, but its time to reconsider how wonderful haram is as opposed to halal.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at April 26, 2007 10:36 AM
How about 'haram burgers'? Made with falafel and wheat gluten imported from China.
OK,I guess we can do without the wheat gluten, even I agree thats halal. A haram burger stand in Dearborn might be the start of something big...move over Col Sanders...
at April 26, 2007 1:34 PM
Kosher laws are much clearer - Kosher and Glatt Kosher, the latter being that there are no lesions on the lungs - that they are smooth. And the actual slaughtering is done in the fastest and most painless way. That's all. Very simple.
Posted by: TeachESL at April 27, 2007 7:27 AM
A halal diet is very unhealthy; a healthy diet requires pig fat. Without pig fat, the brain atrophies, resulting in hallucinations, delusions of grandeur, irrational behaviour and extremely violent tendencies.
If you don't believe me, just consider what happens in those countries that forbid pork.
Bring on the bacon!
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Aardvark: Jews are also forbidden from eating pork. So, how do you explain all our Nobel prize winners and our tendency to keep a low profile???
at April 27, 2007 7:30 AM
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