![]() |
![]() |
|||||||||||
|
Once a Muslim, always a Muslim. "Egypt: Converted-back Copts stay Muslim," From AKI, with thanks to Fjordman:
Cairo, 26 April (AKI) - The ten Egyptian Coptic Christians, who after having converted to Islam decided to return to their original faith, will remain Muslims at least on paper for the rest of their lives. A Cairo court has ruled that the ministry of the interior is not obliged to issue them new identity documents. The question of religious belief in Egypt often presents itself as an adminsitrative rather than a spiritual issue given that every Egyptian has an ID card which states his or her religion.It is precisely for this reason that the ten Copt converts, after having rejected Islam and returned to Christianity, with a public ceremony, asked the ministry for new ID documents. But the ministry refused, on the grounds that according to Sharia law it was impossible to renounce the Islamic faith.
The law based on the Koran in fact forbids the faithful from passing from one religious creed to another and anyone who pronounces the "Shahada" or declaration of faith will be considered a Muslim forever.
The sentence handed down late Wednesday by a Cairo court explained that "the tribunal cannot uphold the request of the citizens" who were calling on the judiciary to force the government to issue new documents as "neither this nor other tribunals are able to see into the depths of the heart of a man, where only God can arrive."
Posted by Robert at April 26, 2007 5:02 PM
Print this entry
| Email this entry
| Digg this
| del.icio.us
Islam is like the "Roach Motel" I used to see advertised on TV with the slogan
Bugs check in, but they can't check out!
Posted by: Ynkedoodl
at April 26, 2007 6:17 PM
Whoever changes his religion, kill him....
Did you guys hear about what the Mujahedeen did to the Yazidis after they killed a woman who reverted to Islam? Ansar Al-Sunna raided their village and took many prisoners, The islamic state of Iraq stope a bus full of Yazidiz and massacred them on the side of the road in Mosul and the Salaf group bombed a yazidi social gathering....Damn a long list for killing just one revert...Your people can become Muslim but If Ours do become your religion...the prophet said kill 'em
Posted by: Abdullah
at April 26, 2007 6:18 PM
Why are they so scared of converts (let alone people who simply want to state 'I don't know' (agnostic) or 'I don't believe' (atheist)).
Could it be because there are actually millions of muslims desperate to get away from islam, and once a trickly is allowed, a flood will follow?
I hope this is the case. Otherwise, it's just paranoia instead of a 'justified' fear of apostasy.
Posted by: Lili
at April 26, 2007 7:42 PM
This story is why I always doubt any Muslim-sourced statistics of how many members they have...ie watch the numbers jump, jump in the USA..they now claim 8 million from 4 million just a few years ago. In Islamic countries, the official count of non-Muslims is also deliberately under-counted. I don't believe their billion plus number for world membership either. Besides, Islam is a religion with no exit visas.
Posted by: maryrose
at April 26, 2007 8:55 PM
"It is precisely for this reason that the ten Copt converts, after having rejected Islam and returned to Christianity, with a public ceremony, asked the ministry for new ID documents. But the ministry refused, on the grounds that according to Sharia law it was impossible to renounce the Islamic faith.
The law based on the Koran in fact forbids the faithful from passing from one religious creed to another and anyone who pronounces the "Shahada" or declaration of faith will be considered a Muslim forever."
See how all-knowing allah and his maniac prophet are? They can't even recognize that people can change their beliefs. Like some kind of lurching, insensate and brain-dead moron, they continue to insist that the person's mind is really not in control of his thoughts. Like an ostrich, if Islam just says a muslim is a muslim forever, why, then it must be so! Quelles especes d'idiots!
at April 26, 2007 9:00 PM
"But the ministry refused, on the grounds that according to Sharia law it was impossible to renounce the Islamic faith."
Gee. And I thought that in Islam "there is no compulsion in religion". Silly me.
Posted by: Caroline
at April 26, 2007 9:26 PM
This is a key point to reiterate to those who think Islam in the ROP. There's a lot of stuff that's difficult to explain away, but a
UNIVERSAL MANDATE TO MURDER ANYONE WHO LEAVES ISLAM
must be near the top of the list.
When having this discussion with a Leftist pc multiculturalist, be sure to preface the above with "Oh, those poor Muslims! Did you know..."
Posted by: lycaste
at April 27, 2007 1:53 AM
Your people can become Muslim but If Ours do become your religion...the prophet said kill 'em
Posted by: Abdullah
Abdullah you might remember one of the marks of a cult is they either treat anyone who left the cult as dead or it's possible there are many cases where members of a cult have been murdered when the other marks is insisting the founder of the cult can do no wrong i.e. Mohammed claimed to be a prophet when in pedophile and thief unlike Jesus Christ who in fact did do miracles or the various prophets from Christianity or Judaism is interesting how much like communism Islam is people try to leave communist North Korea or China or Cuba are treated by the government as criminals or mentally deranged and are often put to death a person can leave Christianity and join Wicca and the Christians will not say a thing in most cases. they will not try to put the person to death Islam is the only faith in the world that cannot stand being criticized or having its cult leader Mohamed criticized and will riot and kill anyone who does is someone leaves a Koran on a bathroom sink by accident Muslims will riot yet in the city of Bethlehem when mainline Muslims invaded and took over a church built over the site of Jesus's birth they used the church as a bathroom and Bibles as toilet paper and by the way Abdul my Koran made great toilet paper after I heard that but these copts should be able to list Christianity as their belief system and this makes you wonder those kids that were playacting being Muslim for a week in California when they pronounced the Shahada not realizing what they were saying whether they would be considered a Muslim now or are Muslims that converted back into now must be killed
at April 27, 2007 6:20 AM
Your people can become Muslim but If Ours do become your religion...the prophet said kill 'em
Posted by: Abdullah
Thank you Abdullah, for proving our point. Islam is NOT a real religion but a sick fear-ridden cult. A real religion is secure enough in its faith that it does not fear competition. Only a cult keeps people in by intimidation. Of course, when enough are kept in only by intimidation, it means that collapse is near since no one really believes in the cult.
Islam is just like Soviet Communism which had to build walls to keep in its people, since no one really believed the official line. Of couse Communism collapses from its own inner rottenness. Just as people joined the Communist Party out of fear, I suspect that many who are prostrating to the black meteorite in Mecca do not really believe in Islam. They only await the opportunity to break free of the intimidation and brainwashing.
Posted by: Provoslavni
at April 27, 2007 11:51 AM
You almost want to say:
"Yo, they were stupid enough to join, they probably aren't worth having back."
Posted by: profitsbeard
at April 27, 2007 12:07 PM
Mo had to make up that rule, because he soon learned that the fokes he converted by the " I chop off you head or live as a muslim" rule didn't last. His new "converts" were returning back to their faith as soon as Mo
and his hench men went away. They just converted to save their life and the life of their loved ones.
So it is not a suprise that Mo had the "kill them if they change back" rule.
So some were killed and some poor souls stayed Muslims.
Many Muslims come to my church or watch on the internet. In public they say they are Muslims, but in their heart they are Christians.
The freedom to find out the real deal about Mohammand shocks them. The biggest shock of all is knowing their history. Knowing that they are Muslims because of the "sword" that some ancestor, converted so he and his family would not be slaughtered. What is painful too is some find their ancestors were enslaved by the Muslims. History and truth has opened many a Muslims eye.
They can also read the bible in the west, not like in Muslim countries.
The real hope is in the children, they are the ones opened to truth.
There is a great christian revival in the Muslims communies.
Muslims in the west, as they research their history, have access to the Word of God , their
eyes are opening.
Rembember the "Word of God" is alive. God is gathering his children, He remembers how they became Muslims, they were born into it, not by their own choice.
The Quran is dead, the Bible is alive , some Muslims now are having to choose for themselves.
This I know,
God is good, All the time, God is good!
at April 27, 2007 9:01 PM
Comments are turned off and archived for this entry.


(Note: The Comments section is provided in the interests of free speech only. It is mostly unmoderated, but comments that are off-topic, offensive, slanderous, or otherwise annoying stand a chance of being deleted. The fact that any comment remains on the site IN NO WAY constitutes an endorsement by Jihad Watch or Dhimmi Watch, or by Robert Spencer or any other Jihad Watch or Dhimmi Watch writer, of any view expressed, fact alleged, or link provided in that comment.)