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"The commission accepted that the men posed a security risk to Britain but said they should be granted bail under strict conditions." "Libyans win appeal against extradition," by Jill Lawless for the Associated Press:
LONDON - A British court ruled Friday that two Libyan terror suspects cannot be deported to their homeland even though they pose a danger to Britain's national security. The government said it planned to appeal the decision.
The Special Immigration Appeals Commission said the two men, identified only as DD and AS, faced the risk of ill treatment if they were sent home.
"There is also real risk that the trial of the appellants would amount to a complete denial of a fair trial," said the commission's chairman, judge Duncan Ouseley.
The government claims DD is the brother-in-law of Serhane Fakhet, who blew himself up in a raid by Spanish police after the March 2004 Madrid train bombings. It says another brother-in-law, Mustapha Maymouni, is serving 18 years in a Moroccan prison for his part in the Casablanca bombings which killed 45 people in May 2003.
Ouseley's ruling said DD was a "real and direct threat" to national security and a "global jihadist with links to the Taliban and al-Qaida."
When detained in October 2005, DD possessed a map marked with the flight path to Birmingham International Airport in central England.
"The markings might have been for reconnaissance purposes but might have a wholly innocent explanation," the court's ruling said.
The second man, AS, was "an Islamic extremist who has engaged actively and as a senior member with a terrorist group clearly engaged in support work for jihadist activities," the ruling said.
It said he was involved with a Milan-based group, monitored by Italian authorities, that planning a terrorist attack, most likely within Europe. He came to Britain in February 2002 and was arrested that May for immigration offenses.
The ruling is a blow to a diplomatic agreement between London and Tripoli in a bid to make the deportation of terrorist suspects easier.
In the wake of the July 7, 2005, London bombings that killed 52 commuters, Britain signed "memoranda of understanding" with several countries, including Libya, guaranteeing that suspects returned there would not be mistreated.
As a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, Britain is not allowed to deport people to countries where they may be mistreated.
The government said it would ask the Court of Appeal to overturn Friday's ruling.
"We believe that the assurances given to us by the Libyans do provide effective safeguards for the proper treatment of individuals being returned and do ensure that their rights will be respected," a Home Office spokesman said.
The commission accepted that the men posed a security risk to Britain but said they should be granted bail under strict conditions.
And it's not the first time this has happened:
The immigration commission struck down a similar challenge to the government's deportation policy in February, when judges ruled that radical cleric Abu Qatada could be sent back to Jordan.
Qatada, a London-based preacher described by a Spanish judge as Osama bin Laden's "spiritual ambassador in Europe," has been accused by the British government of raising funds for extremist groups and offering "spiritual advice and religious legitimacy" to militants planning attacks.
Posted by Marisol at April 29, 2007 3:08 PM
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I wonder if this was one of our wonderful new breed of dhimmi judges?
like the ones who allowed this : http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=450427&in_page_id=1770
Was this veil story featured on dhimmiwatch ? I didn't see it.
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at April 29, 2007 3:46 PM
WHO THE F--K CARES WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM BACK IN THEIR COUNTRY, IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME DON'T DO THE CRIME!!!!!!!
Posted by: OLD SARGE at April 29, 2007 4:00 PM
My sentiments exactly, Sarge. These people are the scum of the human race. I say LET 'EM ROT in their countries of origin. Since when is it Britain's responsibility to look after and coddle those who are actively working towards its destruction? This is akin to refusing to deport Nazis because Germany is just not a nice place.
Posted by: Professor PyroSkank at April 29, 2007 5:03 PM
This is the realreason the Dhimmicrats are after Gonzales' head.
CAIR doesn't want the US to rposecute guys like this.
at April 29, 2007 5:18 PM
You all seem to forget, they've been released on bail, with strict conditions, what could possibly go wrong?
As for the map of the flightpath, well maybe there is an innocent explanation, I for one, never go on holiday without insisting on the flightpath of the aircraft, that way I can offer the pilot helpful advice, where to fly to, where to land, that sort of thing.
People are just so cynical sometimes.
at April 29, 2007 6:21 PM
Professor PyroSkank:
"Since when is it Britain's responsibility to look after and coddle those who are actively working towards its destruction?"
Since 1998, when Britain's New Labour Government incorporated the European Convention on Human Rights into UK law, in the form of the Human Rights Act 1998.
And which uber-dhimmi sanctioned this idiocy? Step forward Tony Blair, who still describes it as one of his "greatest achievements" in politics.
Don't blame me - I didn't vote for him.
Posted by: Matamoros at April 29, 2007 6:45 PM
WHO THE F--K CARES WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM BACK IN THEIR COUNTRY, IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME DON'T DO THE CRIME!!!!!!!
Posted by: OLD SARGE
I'm also in agreement with this. What utter tomfoolery to harbor people who are plotting our destruction!
How suicidally "humane" can these dhimmiticians and judges get?!
There seems to be no bottom to this pit.
God, I am so glad BLiar and Crack will be OUT soon.
BLiar even read the KKKoran and failed to draw the proper conclusions.
at April 29, 2007 7:21 PM
Will the last non-Muslim in Great Britain (Lizzy?) please turn out the lights.
Posted by: At the Gate at April 29, 2007 7:34 PM
Corrupt judiciaries are such a terrible impediment in our war against Islam.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 29, 2007 8:35 PM
Perhaps if these jurist were held accountable for their rulings. For example if this jhihadi cause a bomb to go off, a bomb should be strapped to the jusrists' chest, while they are in their homes with their spouse and children and then it is detonated too. (sacrasm, maybe)
Posted by: senor doeboy at April 29, 2007 9:00 PM
Look, this isn't so difficult. If you can't deport a certified radical islamist to their country of origin because that country might kill or torture them, then you have to find an alternate place to send them in the meantime. So a country like UK can take an empty island in the carribean and send the deported islamofascist there. It can be a place they can live on, no frills but not a prison, and they can't get off. Let's get creative.
at April 29, 2007 11:18 PM
Sparrow...How about Devils island for muslims only. A great place to visit but not to live. Shark infested water, snake filled swamps...not exactly Allahs paradise, but close enough for government work. A home away from home for muslims who fall afoul of the law. They can build a mosque, and do anything they want, except leave...Nancy Pelosi is not allowed to visit
Posted by: duh_swami at April 30, 2007 12:41 AM
"So a country like UK can take an empty island in the carribean and send the deported islamofascist there. It can be a place they can live on, no frills but not a prison, and they can't get off. Let's get creative."
I think we've finally discovered a practical use for the Falklands.
Posted by: Professor PyroSkank at April 30, 2007 1:14 AM
While it’s fun to concoct all sorts of despicable punishments for those we don’t approve of we should really try and come at this from a humanitarian viewpoint and perspective. Isolating these people on an island is not really a viable solution because they’d still be a ‘topical issue’ and therefore an opening would still exist for their political opinions to be mulled over in the media as and when it suited.
To be honest, people like this have nothing to offer humanity on any level; they are disruptive and antagonistic and will always find an audience among certain quarters where there will be others ready to champion their cause.
I would be inclined to consider the point that individuals who promote and incite others to commit acts of murder are every bit a guilty as the murderers themselves, they stimulate an atmosphere of instability in the world causing great grief, worry, suffering and horror in the places where their fanatical supporters gain succour from the ranting and raving of these individuals.
It should also be noted that being seen to have ‘escaped justice’ will only bring encouragement to others who are either actively involved in these kind of activities or to those who could be persuaded to indulge in similar activities. It puts us in particularly weak position and opens us up for all sorts of attack.
I had cause to deal with a school bully in my youth who made my life hell, it came to the point where I couldn’t move in the school but this boy was in my face.
The solution was really quite simple at the end of the day, although it went against my upbringing and nature. I threw the shit down two flights of stairs and kicked him up and down the place for a bit. He avoided me after that.
Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and do stuff that pains you and goes against your principles in order to have peace and quiet to allow you to go about your daily business unmolested. Now in the case of the bully, I had tried the ‘reasonable approach’ by asking him nicely to please leave me alone as I didn’t want any trouble but it took the ‘Two flights of stairs and a good kicking method’ to finally get my point of view across. No doubt he harboured thoughts of revenge, which would be understandable in this case but the case was closed that day.
Preachers of hate and known terrorists have no place in our society, the world would be best served if they were no longer on the surface of the planet. Marchers carrying banners and posters which proclaim “Behead all those who insult Islam” should also be considered to be placed in that ever growing elite club of ‘Dead Men Walking’.
There is far too much instability in the world to allow this to continue indefinitely.
Speaking for myself, I have a family that has the RIGHT to be safe and secure in our country which was built on the sacrifices of my father and others like him, we do not need the liberal soft touch allowing and dare I say, encouraging promoters of terror in our midst.
So adopting the ‘humanitarian’ approach would mean putting these people out of our misery. On a permanent basis.
Oh hell, I’m off on another rant!
Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at April 30, 2007 5:36 AM
"The Special Immigration Appeals Commission said the two men, identified only as DD and AS, faced the risk of ill treatment if they were sent home."
....I guess the courts would rather the decent citizens suffer the risk of ill treatment at the hands of the terrorists...
...they should deport them...
at April 30, 2007 7:09 AM
Jihadtobejoking -
Bang on.
And by the way, I like your name - very funny !
at April 30, 2007 8:08 AM
"So a country like UK can take an empty island in the carribean and send the deported islamofascist there. It can be a place they can live on, no frills but not a prison, and they can't get off. Let's get creative."
I think we've finally discovered a practical use for the Falklands.
Posted by: Professor PyroSkank at April 30, 2007 01:14 AM
Bring back the Devil's Island concept... rig it with Cameras & Microphones and sell pay-per-view. It will pay for itself 20 times over.
Jurassic Park ===> Jihadi Park...
Both deal with the same thing - containing murderous reptilian throwbacks.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 30, 2007 10:35 AM
Alarmed Pig Farmer:
"Corrupt judiciaries are such a terrible impediment in our war against Islam"
But APF, these judges weren't corrupt. They were doing their jobs to the letter of correctness - making legal judgments based on UK law, in this case the Human Rights Act 1998.
The fault for this fiasco lies entirely with Tony Blair and New Labour. His Government galloped to incorporate the ECHR into UK Law in 1998, in anticipation of signing up to the EU Constitution (it is a pre-requisite of signing that member states must incorporate the ECHR into national law.)
The AP's report sums up the Government's hypocrisy on this matter in just one the sentence:
"The government said it would ask the Court of Appeal to overturn Friday's ruling."
They won't be scrapping the reason for this farce, namely the HRA. Instead, they'll waste more taxpayers' money on a lengthy and costly appeal. Of course, the judges hearing the appeal will have to base their decision on UK statute, but which law? Yup, you've guessed it - The Human Rights Act 1998.
This is just another big money-go-round, doomed to cost a fortune and end in failure, by the most incompetent and useless Govt the UK has ever had.
Posted by: Matamoros at April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
Britain needs to reinstate at least ONE death penalty:
-for terroristic acts, sedition and treason.
Then you can deport them to Hell where they belong.
It'll come into law within a decade, thanks to the short-sighted and suicidally-stupid rulings now that will only allow greater terrorist attacks on the U.K.
With nothing to put a mortal fear into your enemies, they laugh all the way to prison.
And begin the behind-bars jihad.
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 30, 2007 2:36 PM
i would have to make dangers to national security disappear...permanently..
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 30, 2007 4:08 PM
The hole in your argument profitsbeard, is that if you start executing them, the others will get angry, and then they'll start kidnapping people, and executing them by chopping their heads off, and blowing up buses, and lorries full of chlorine, to maximise civilian casualties. Eventually they might fly a plane into a building full of people. We wouldn't want that now would we?
Try to think your argument through in future, think of all the ramifications.
at April 30, 2007 5:19 PM
Ian-
LOL!
Thanks for the "Back to the Future" news report!
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 30, 2007 9:02 PM
The hole in your argument profitsbeard, is that if you start executing them, the others will get angry, and then they'll start kidnapping people, and executing them by chopping their heads off, and blowing up buses, and lorries full of chlorine, to maximise civilian casualties. Eventually they might fly a plane into a building full of people. We wouldn't want that now would we?
Try to think your argument through in future, think of all the ramifications.
Posted by: Ian at April 30, 2007 05:19 PM
Oh come on Ian, you're kidding, right? When will you and others like you realize that appeasement never works?! Those angry muslim bastards will remain angry for their entire lives and if they think they can blow themselves to paradise and take a few thousand infidels out at the same time, they'll do it, regardless of how their beloved brothers are punished. When islamic butchers are executed for their heinous, barbaric atrocities, the umma reveres them for their "martyrdom", the pinnacle of islamic achievement and devotion to allah. Seventy-five percent of the muslims living in the West sit around and dream of ways to expedite their erotic encounter with the 72 virgins. Get rid of them and the problem is solved.
Muslims understand and respect merciless brutality and brute force and they despise weakness. If you want to encourage and empower muslim homicidal maniacs, appease them. The revenge game works both ways and I do believe that muslims are still a minority in all Western nations, so they are more vulnerable than we are. If Western governments would get off of their politically correct asses and round up and deport the islamic terrorists and terrorist sympathizers they have allowed to invade our countries, we could all breathe much easier. Instead, they are importing "refugees" and "asylum seekers" by the millions, with no regard whatsoever for the welfare and security of we the people. It is criminal and we must stop it. The mess we're in now is the result of Western naivete, ignorance, and kindness, and muslims do not appreciate or reciprocate kindness and compassion. I have no compassion for downtrodden muslim fanatics that eat, sleep, and breathe islamic supremacy and jihad, and in my country no less! To hell with all of them.
Posted by: Susanp at May 1, 2007 12:45 AM
Professor PyroSkank:
I think we've finally discovered a practical use for the Falklands.
Yes!!!!
And the great thing is it is heavily mined.
Just need to make sure when we send those Islamic bastards there not to give them a map.
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at May 3, 2007 5:58 PM
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