'who will resist you to their last breath.'

Amen.

Posted by: Dane at May 13, 2007 8:53 AM

"... who will resist you to their last breath."

Count me in.

Posted by: Stendec at May 13, 2007 9:00 AM

Do we have a choice?

(Not in my world, we don't.)

Posted by: Vee at May 13, 2007 9:18 AM

I've already pledged to fight tyranny of any form to my dying breath. So I guess I'm on board as well.

Also this wholesale censorship doesn't sit well with me at all. First and foremost Youtube's servers are based in America, so if it came down to it the owner's (Google) could cite first amendment rights as a reason to keep these videos up. Secondly it's the internet, one of the last true bastions of free speech, if we take that away then what?

Posted by: Beren at May 13, 2007 9:56 AM

You tube is owned by Google with is pro-jihad it wont be long before anti islamic /jihad awareness site is censured by the search engine , Just like the government , they know how to protect their hard ware from terrorist , submit.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at May 13, 2007 10:38 AM

youtube makes me sick theres so many Anti hellenic videos on that site made by Turks youtube never takes them of but they took of a video which was offending ataturk i think youtube is run by Turk lovers i dont use youtube and never will it should be banned

Posted by: Greek Gurl at May 13, 2007 11:26 AM

http://www.qubetv.tv/

The " conservative" youtube alternative

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at May 13, 2007 12:38 PM

I guess two can play that game.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at May 13, 2007 1:33 PM

The good news is that there are other search engines out there. For example there is dogpile.com to name one example. This is the best protest against Google is to use other search engines.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 13, 2007 1:56 PM

" ... last breath. "

Yup, me too.

I find Copernic isn't a bad search engine. The basic version is free. Canadian I believe.

Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan at May 13, 2007 3:30 PM

So much of this reminds me of the "gag rules" (1836-1844) re abolition or anti-slavery speech prior to the Civil War, when anti-slavery speech was suppressed by the slave holders in the South and in congress. The attempt was made to make anti-slavery speech illegal. Anyone who criticized slavery was accused of fomenting divisions and hatred. But over the long run this alarmed people who might have been indifferent on the slavery issue, but who became very upset at the attempt to stifle criticism of slavery, to silence the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions on the issue. Criticism of slavery was "hate speech".

The irony of the attempt to stop free speech on the slavery issue was that it convinced many that "the slaveocracy" (as J.Q. Adams called it) was a threat to the freedom of all Americans-and not just an issue re the people held in bondage. Many anti-slavery people (North and South) came to believe that slavery would only be removed from America by force because of the attempts to stifle argument on the issue.

The Muslim attempt to stifle free speech is causing a similar alarm in America. They fear any critical analysis of Islam and attempt to suppress it as "hate speech".

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/treasures_of_congress/text/page10_text.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_Rule

Posted by: Frank at May 13, 2007 3:48 PM

If Muslims learn anything from American history, they are going to learn that the attempt to silence critical analysis of Islam will back-fire big time. "The Slaveocracy" as Adams called it, learned that lesson in their attempt to silence anyone who critically analyzed their belief-system. Americans want critical analysis of things and will not allow it to be silenced as "hate speech" by a minority of people who fear critical analysis.

Posted by: Frank at May 13, 2007 4:04 PM

"By your hatred and violence, by your self-righteous intransigence, by your consistent disregard for simple human decency, you are raising up multitudes -- Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, whatever -- who will resist you to their last breath".-Robert

There is a great similarity between JihadWatch and the anti-slavery-watch tracts of the pre Civil War era (Garrison's Liberator, e.g.). The attempts to suppress criticism of "the slaveocracy" (as Adams called it) are also similar to the current attempts to silence criticism of Islam. But nothing did more to open eyes (in America) to the danger of "the slaveocracy" as did the attempt to suppress critical speech re slavery. That hit home.

Posted by: Frank at May 13, 2007 4:50 PM

Interesting analogy there, Frank, with the anti-slavery speech issues & current events; thanks.

I PRAY Americans still have it in them to want "critical anyalysis of things". PC-formed Americans, sadly, seem not to.

Posted by: Vee at May 13, 2007 5:53 PM

Vee-

We do value the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions and critical analysis of issues. They really are out of touch with American history on this matter. We are not going to submit to their gag rules. People want critical analysis on issues here. Old (former President) Mass Congressman John Q. Adams fought like a tiger (at first practically alone) for eight years to get rid of the "gag rules" re slavery. The attempt to stifle free speech on the slavery issue back-fired big time. It was the "hate speech" issue of its time. The attempt to silence all criticism of slavery in America did much to harden opinion against "the Slaveocracy". Americans started to see that the issue was a threat to all Americans, not just those in bondage.

God bless America. Free speech forever. We must never submit to gag rules.

Posted by: Frank at May 13, 2007 6:30 PM

Holy crap Frank, I never learnt this in my American History classes. I feel cheated.

Posted by: wrathofasma at May 13, 2007 6:31 PM

Page 523 The Oxford History of the American People:

"Every attempt short of personal violence was made to silence, to censure, or expel Adams; but the tough old Puritan persisted. Public opinion in the Northern states finally forced their representatives to support him, and in 1844 the gag rule was repealed. It made no difference to the slaves, but the eight-year controversy had educated opinion on both sides of the cold war as nothing else could. The South learned that she needed more weight in the councils of the nation by annexing Texas certainly, perhaps Cuba, and Mexico perhaps; that slavery's banners must fly not only over the Capitol but on the high seas and even in the free states, where discussion of the subject must be stifled. The North began to see that the price of union would be surrender all along the line of the "slaveocracy", as Adams called it, and that this surrender would involve rights for which their fathers fought".

The attempt to silence criticism on this matter made Americans realize that the issue went way beyond the Americans in bondage. The slave holders in the South (who were a minority of Southern whites) simply could not allow the free and open exchange of ideas on the issue. That hit home.

Posted by: Frank at May 13, 2007 7:00 PM

I suggest- You Tube is turning out to be the ones that should be targeted!! What a tool just as they said they will do on tv the other night. Use the Internet! All propaganda! Again they ruined another part of our dailey living! They should go to the air waves! I hear you can say any thing over there! What is free speech? Say you don't have a tongue? Without Liberty?

Posted by: MZ at May 13, 2007 7:03 PM

From QubeTV

http://www.qubetv.tv/

If you're not already familiar with Qube TV… you should be! This "conservative YouTube," if you will, is trailblazing the way for conservative New Media. The vision of the three-week-old venture is to be a communal place for conservatives to gather without the fear of censorship or the concern that their news, ideas or videos will be suppressed or flagged as hate speech and deleted into thin air.

Posted by: DCWatson at May 13, 2007 8:50 PM

DCWatson-

She looks like Ann Coulter. Nice.

http://www.qubetv.tv/photos/detail/2899

Posted by: Frank at May 13, 2007 9:04 PM

well atleast youtube hasnt deleted stuck mojo's "open season"
I love that song

Posted by: tscipio at May 13, 2007 11:40 PM

Go to the videos that slander RS and flag them as "hate speech", I did.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 14, 2007 1:15 AM

Shouldn't be difficult to start an alternate You-Tube like service, or better still, append such a service to projects like FaithFreedom, Islam-Watch or even this site. All you need are terabytes of hard drives, but with that being available plentifully these days, I doubt that that's a problem.

Any volunteer blogs willing to cache the vast array of anti-Jihad videos currently on Youtube, and then let Youtube delete them? That way, this will be safe, and Mohammedans will be unable to tamper with our material. Need to protect our IP rights.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 14, 2007 2:11 AM

Hey, idiot as Jean Paul Sartre said: "We are all Jewish." Allah is the devil. God is Jewish. One World, No Islam!

Posted by: David England at May 14, 2007 2:17 AM

Robert Spencer said:

multitudes -- Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, whatever -- who will resist you to their last breath.

Second that.

I got a friend interested in reading The Truth about Muhammad. We'll read it together, though I've read it already.

Posted by: traeh at May 14, 2007 6:18 AM

Mosques have phone banks to call Senators for amnesty. CAIR is calling your senator for an amnesty today. Are you?

Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 14, 2007 8:15 AM

I think that to understand the crisis atmosphere in America prior to the Civil War, it is necessary to understand the attempt by the "slaveocracy" to silence all critical analysis of slavery. They (the pro-slavery elite of the South) wanted all debate, all criticism of slavery, banned. There were even calls to shut down Slavery-Watch style outlets (Garrison, e.g.) in the free states. The issue of the free and open exchange of ideas and the right to critical analysis of anything became very important as part of the larger issue of slavery. John Quincy Adams was very brave on the issue. He struck a great blow against tyranny in his relentless support of free speech and an end to gag rules.

The issue of the free and open exchange of ideas, the attempt to shut down critical analysis as divisive speech, was an issue that back-fired for the slaveocracy. The attempt to silence critical analysis of Islam will similarly backfire.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-gagrules.html

Posted by: Frank at May 14, 2007 9:33 AM

BTW, the same argument that was used then re critcal analysis of slavery, that it would drive the "moderates" into the camp of the "extremists, is used today re critical analysis of Islam. As one historian pointed out, it was like blaming the people who criticized Hitler for causing the Hitler to become aggressive. There were appeasers then, but John Q. Adams was not one of them.

I think a movie should be made of this period in Adams life. He was magnificent.

Posted by: Frank at May 14, 2007 9:46 AM

Thanks for the link. The Youtube Jihad continues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtOROP9GRP0

Posted by: Bacon Eating Atheist Jew at May 14, 2007 10:51 AM

The concern about the growth of Muslim groups on sites such as Youtube.com and others could be also why the military issued a major ban today on military going online with videos, blocking Youtube and others.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272014,00.html

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 14, 2007 11:38 AM

Bacon Eating Atheist Jew,

Been over to Youtube.com, using the URL and believe me, and I do this shaking my head in disbelief the fighting going on by members of United Muslims, etc., to attack non-Muslim videos that stand up to Islamic facism. This war could be the downfall of YouTube.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 14, 2007 11:51 AM

They are very well organized, aren't they? Any whisper of criticism and they cry "hate speech" in droves.

How can believers in free speech counter this? Muslim publications spew venom at the West, at Jews, at all us "infidels" and we have no control over what they print or post; even real history such as the Holocaust is denied; false history regarding "the State of Palestine" and "no Muslims piloted the 9/11 aircraft" is disseminated -AND BELIEVED!!- all around the Middle East. When you ask a Muslim why he believes it "it's in the papers, everybody knows it's true." My only defense of my position is "I know what I read in MY newspapers". I'm not a direct witness of anything newsworthy! How can an individual counter their groupthink? How can we demonstrate that our "truth" is "real"?

These people have been taught all their lives that theirs is the perfect belief system and their prophet is the perfect man. How do we make them really look at their lives, the corruption of their leaders? And how do we convince them that the problem is within Islam, and not "out there" in the rest of the world which is "conspiring against" or "attacking" Islam?

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at May 14, 2007 3:18 PM

Why do you cons put anything up on GoreTube or search via Gore-gle?

That's why my hiatus from Altavista was so short!

Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 14, 2007 4:26 PM

A_Nonny_Mouse-

The answer is critical analysis until they don't know whether to crap or wind their Mickey Mouse watches. Theodore Weld describes the 75 year old John Quincy Adams defending free speech, critical analysis, as the jackals circled him:

"....Wise of Virginia, Rayner of North Carolina, W. C. Johnson of Maryland, and scores more of slaveholders, striving constantly to stop him by starting questions of order and by every now and then screaming at the top of their voices: "That is false"! "I demand, Mr. Speaker, that you shut the mouth of that old harlequin!" A perfect uproar like Babel would burst forth every two or three minutes as Mr. Adams with his bold surgery would smite his cleaver into the bones. At least half of the slaveholding members of the house left their seats and gathered in the quarter of the Hall where Mr. Adams stood. Whenever any of them broke out upon him, Mr. Adams would say, "I see where the shoe pinches, Mr. Speaker, it will pinch more yet!" "If before I get through every slaveholder, slave trader and slave breeder on the floor does not get materials for bitter reflection it shall be no fault of mine."

So much for gag rules and speech codes. Muslims beware of your harassment of John Does, your fear of critical analysis of your belief-system, for before all is over you will have materials for bitter reflection re the truth, the painful truth, the truth that bites, that will bite your heads like a tight shoe on Ibrahim Hopper's head, as all truth re Muhammad is shouted from every rooftop.

Posted by: Frank at May 14, 2007 4:53 PM

Frank you qare a bigot and hate monger. Muslim are than very preacefill and kind people. There will be than new Caphist Government of the World.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam at May 14, 2007 8:00 PM

DefenderofIslam,
What on earth is a Muslim doing dealing in words like bigot and hatemonger? A religion whose adherents are taught to despise non-believers and feel nothing but contempt for the culture of others is virtually the embodiment of institutional bigotry. Teaching perpetual aggression against the rest of the human race until they tow the Muslim line is guaranteed to generate a hatred (you no doubt hope, of the 'let them hate me as long as they fear me' variety). You use those particular words because your crude sensibility has grasped that they press western buttons, at least with the progressive thinkers you wish to have on your side for the moment - not because they have any real meaning to you. You hate people who tell the truth about your malign cult the way white maggots hate the sunlight when someone turns over a rock. Your bigotry won't allow you to see that non-Muslims lead freer and more productive lives because they are not saddled with the incubus of your malign creed.

Posted by: wallyUK at May 14, 2007 8:23 PM

Google (YouTube) management
http://www.google.com/corporate/execs.html

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 14, 2007 9:35 PM

wallyUK-

We see that the shoe pinches when it comes to the truth with Mr. Defender. Everything J.Q. Adams said was the truth in his time and that's why the slave holders desperately wanted to silence him, and also silence so many others. They dared not debate Adams. Sound familiar?

Posted by: Frank at May 14, 2007 10:03 PM

Interesting. You are the third non-Jewish person I read about today who was called "a Jew". One of the other two was actually an Iranian chap...

Terrific post!

Posted by: shlemazl at May 15, 2007 1:38 AM

wallyUK,

First, thank-you for standing up to DefenderofIslam with the truth. Second, it is very important to speak about the contradictions that are there in Islam.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 15, 2007 6:57 AM

Another nonstarter newsflash...

They always travel in packs, as they cannot last 5 seconds head to head...so they bum-rush en masse, both on and offline.

Posted by: jcom972 at May 15, 2007 7:01 AM

interesting...

i didn't see gore in there! but i did see it elsewhere...

have to do some research.

Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 15, 2007 11:54 AM

independent venture is a partnership between gore & google to create tv aimed at young, self-absorbed, impressionable people.

okay, so i changed a word. two. okay, three. does it make the story less true?

Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 15, 2007 12:04 PM

From LGF:

A reader who wishes to remain anonymous has forwarded a YouTube message he received, from a Muslim YouTube member who’s organizing a private group to promote Islamic videos and suppress criticism of Islam

Read the letter here:

LGF: Muslims Secretly Organizing to Dominate YouTube

Posted by: Cheeky Human at May 15, 2007 4:45 PM

Okay. I admit it. My father's name was Yossel Rosenblat. :) There is a plethora of vicious anti-Semitic garbage available on YouTube. No amount of protest seems to get that removed.

Right wing extremists have commonly labeled people such as Eisenhower, Stalin, even Hillary Clinton etc., etc. as Jews. Notice the affinity of nazism and fascism with radical Islam? Both employ similar tactics as well as an obsession with THE JOO.

There is a direct relationship between hatred of Jews and hatred of freedom.

Posted by: desertdawg29palms at May 16, 2007 3:58 PM

This does'nt surprise me in the least and something I've suspected goes on not only on Youtube but also Metacafe.
Anyone who has the Application installed that auto-downloads new videos will see many "Love Islam" posts (especially Word docs) The worst being videos of terrorists in Iraq shooting at American and British troops...The comments from Muslims of course are along the lines of "Excellent video"
What worried me most on your site being in the UK is the Islamic courts appearing in the UK (No mention in our press or TV surprisingly)

Going off the point there slightly but YES, It won't stop me posting Youtube videos, Even if my account is suspended, It's easy enough to open others.

Alf.

Posted by: Alf at May 17, 2007 10:52 PM