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U.S. forces are building madrassas in Afghanistan.
"We are saying that we respect their culture and religion," said naval commander Eduardo Fernandez, the man in charge of American aid efforts in the Sharana district of Paktika. "We have to give the religious leaders the respect they feel they deserve." -- from this article
Get that naval commander out of the Sharana district, out of Afghanistan, and possibly out of the navy, fast. Start educating the members of the armed forces on the tenets of Islam. Make them read, and reread, and reread, Qur'an, Hadith, and sira. Teach them about naskh, or abrogation. Teach them to distinguish the "authoritative" muhaddithin from the less authoritative ones, and the "authentic" Hadith from the kind that Karen Armstrong likes to quote. Expose every single one of the tricks of Muslim apologists and undercut them, including these:
1) That only someone who knows Arabic can comment on what is in the Qur'an, Hadith, and sira. Answer: If that were really true, then how can 80% of the world's Muslims be regarded as Muslims, since they cannot understand Arabic?
2) That only Muslims can possibly understand Islam. Answer: Then no one who converts ("reverts") to Islam has any idea what he is converting to?
3) That Islam says "there is no compulsion in religion." Answer: To this one can offer up not only Muslim glosses on this line, but also 1350 years of the onerous burden placed on non-Muslims that, of course, led many to avoid such a burden (economic, social, political) by converting to Islam.
4) That Islam is a "religion of peace." Answer: In fact, Islam is a Total Belief-System, and central to that Belief System is the uncompromising division of the world between Believer and Infidel. And between the two, Believer and Infidel, there exists a state of permanent war (though not always of active warfare -- certainly not wherever other instruments of Jihad are more effective, or where it is impossible, because of Muslim weakness, to conduct Jihad to spread Islam at all).
And so on.
If this is the policy in Afghanistan, it is the wrong policy.
Bat Ye'or long ago said it would be fatal for the West to try to get involved in the Muslim lands. The terminal naivete of Westerners manifests itself in the way in which they never allow themselves to see, fully, the Muslim menace. And furthermore, the sentimentalism of the West hinders that insight, and instead imagines hardbitten troops aiding this or that hardscrabble wizened farmer, or that girl over there, and that group of young boys grabbing at proffered candy. Those boys, of course, are not yet of an age where they have sufficiently learned anti-Infidel teachings or thoroughly assimilated anti-Infidel attitudes. That will come only later.
We can only engage in enormous and wasteful activities by trying to shore up Islamic lands, or to make things nice for Muslims, or to bring prosperity to them. It will not make them like us. It will not lessen the fervor of Islam. The biggest and best-outfitted mosque in the world will, whatever happens, naturally have to have khutbas based on the texts of Islam. And just as water seeks its own level, unless every single minute of every day, and every single word of every single sermon (khutba) is monitored, there will be, in that mosque, necessarily, the introduction of the real teachings of Islam, and the holding up as a model of Muhammad, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil.
Look at Turkey. Eighty full years of careful Kemalist constraints. Eighty years of the central government's secularists monitoring, or even writing themselves, the khutbas to be delivered. Eighty years of systematic constraints put on Islam. Yet Islam is still there, and resurgent. The fright among Turkey's secularists (some of whom may call themselves Muslims, as in "cultural Muslims" or "Muslims-for-identification-purposes-only" Muslims, and some of whom will, outside of Turkey, tell one that in truth they are not Muslims at all) is palpable.
The policy of building madrassas and refurbishing mosques in Afghanistan is madness. It is also unconstitutional. American taxes are being used to favor, abroad, a religion, and far worse, one religion over others.
Where is the Constitutional challenge to this? There is a case to be brought. Bring it, you pro-bono-seeking lawyers you. Enter the casebooks. Enter history.
Posted by Hugh at May 15, 2007 9:05 AM
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With every presidential debate, the anti-Jihadists should send questions. "What have you learned about Islam since 9/11?" "Have you any concerns about the growing population of Muslims in the United States?" "Is profiling of Muslims appropriate, given the tradition and mainstream teachings of their religion?"
One of these days, the subject will be broached and answered with clarity and wisdom.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271356,00.html
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at May 15, 2007 9:16 AM
To all dhimmi~watchers...
Here's the response I received this morning from the Sky Harbor airport re: Foot Washing Basins for Muslim Taxi Drivers:
Thank you for your email about the sink in the Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport taxicab lot.
In 2004, Sky Harbor installed a sink/wash basin attached to the restroom in response to strong demand by many of the 400 taxicab drivers who use the area for extended hours each day and do not have easy access to the terminal buildings. Many of the drivers use this basin for washing hands and feet prior to conducting Muslim prayer, but the sink is available to all of the drivers regardless of their faith. The two water spigots are on timers so that they shut off automatically to avoid water waste.
We also have an all-faiths, interdenominational chapel in Terminal 4 for use by airport workers and travelers.
There is no religious symbol at the wash basin and it is not considered a "Muslim prayer station." It is just two water spigots provided for their convenience.
Thank You,
Phoenix Sky Harbor International AirportPosted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
at May 15, 2007 9:19 AM
Terminal naivete? Hugh is being too kind. Try permanently stupid to describe this mentality. If it wasn't for infidels constantly propping up Islam all over the world for all these centuries and for various reasons it probably would exist only in history books today. We just never learn.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at May 15, 2007 9:21 AM
The Senate is doing an amnesty deal right now. Call your Senator and say no to amnesty. It only takes a minute, they don't debate you. They just want to know your position. Say, I am calling to say I oppose the amnesty deal and guest worker deal. You can add opposing asylum, legal immigration, family reunification by arranged marriage in Pakistan, etc.
Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 15, 2007 9:39 AM
Start educating the members of the armed forces on the tenets of Islam.
Don’t leave it to the government. Article submission form for Armed Forces Journal (AFJ):
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/custserv/guidelines/
I nominate ‘Islam 101’ or a slightly more toned down article for a submission. AFJ is not a government publication and runs editorials against the Administration. Worth a few clicks to try.
at May 15, 2007 10:00 AM
..shouldn't the cab companies has some internal rules such as...do not conduct your private business affairs while on company time or do not practice your religious ceremonies or acts of faith on company time?
suppose a catholic priest wanted to conduct confessions or baptisms or hold prayer services for Non Muslims on the airport property ...would the Muslims object?...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 15, 2007 10:25 AM
One thing about this is that it does concentrate a lot of potential troublemakers.
Once again I am reminded of the American embassy in Moscow that was built by Russian contractors in the 1980's. Every brick practically had a bug in it. It was disassembled and shipped to Langley to be studied.
at May 15, 2007 11:15 AM
"...Those boys, of course, are not yet of an age where they have sufficiently learned anti-Infidel teachings or thoroughly assimilated anti-Infidel attitudes. That will come only later."
Enter Jihad Mickey Mouse.
at May 15, 2007 11:35 AM
auntbea, do you really think that the Pentagon has enough brains in it to think of bugging the madrassas?
I don't.
I don't think the Pentagon has a clue as to what islam is all about yet. Remember they are the ones who have given muslims their own private prayer rooms and bathrooms - while doing that is pure segregation, racist, not separating religion vs state, etc. in this post segregation society (since the 1960s, I believe)!
Posted by: R_not
at May 15, 2007 11:45 AM
Get that naval commander out of the Sharana district, out of Afghanistan, and possibly out of the navy, fast. Start educating the members of the armed forces on the tenets of Islam. Make them read, and reread, and reread, Qur'an, Hadith, and sira. Teach them about naskh, or abrogation. Teach them to distinguish the "authoritative" muhaddithin from the less authoritative ones, and the "authentic" Hadith from the kind that Karen Armstrong likes to quote.Why waste more resources in this endeavor? Do the educating by sending the troops to the Madrassas - starting maybe with the ones already stationed there, and sending ultimately all commanders, right up to Bush and Rice in that direction. As well as all the GOP and Dem candidates, so that they can focus on more serious issues than Mitt Romney's Mormonism or Giuliani's stand on abortion.
About the first point above that only one who knows Arabic can comment on the Quran, Muslims, when discussing whether or not Islam is Arab supremacy, are quick to point out how Indonesia and Bangladesh are the largest population Muslim countries. The disconnect between that statistic that they eagerly cite, vs the one about having to know Arabic, is amusing. Maybe all the Indonesians should be converted back to Hinduism, and Bangladeshis to Buddhism, for starters? After all, since they don't know Arabic, they have no business reciting, let alone following, the Quran.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 15, 2007 11:53 AM
WTF???
I has been months since I last psoted but man I had to say something about this latest outrage.
We have lost our damn minds Just when I thought we coulldn't go any lower in the dhimmitude, we do this. I am horrified, astounded, and appaled. This navy officer is a dangerous, nieve, brainwashed, nitwit. Good God Almighty!!
Damn right someone better sue over this. I have resigned myself that to the fact that the west will probile Muslim and we are fighting a losing battle. I fight and resist any way I can, but I do so with no expectation of winning. Our leaders seem to want it, and when push comes to shove most of the sheep, will resignedly say the Shaddah and that will be that. Between this story and the mania for building footwashing and prayer facilities all across America in myraid facilities, it is pretty clear that our government favours Islam, while persecuting or ognoring Christians, who obstensable are still the majority.
I wonder which failure converts first Bush or Blair. We just get deeper and deeper and further in over our heads, if we have reached the point where we are building and funding Madrassas what is next, our Army and/or leaders outright converting to Islam?
Posted by: abdulalshirk at May 15, 2007 11:58 AM
"The American government is also paying for the refurbishment of mosques in the area, in the hope of winning over religious leaders."
Naivete aside, why is the American government (read: taxpayer) paying for such rebuilding?
Shouldn't the Muslim Afghan government be doing this?
Posted by: PRCS at May 15, 2007 12:07 PM
"why is the American government (read: taxpayer) paying for such rebuilding?"
Answer: "We have to give the religious leaders the respect they feel they deserve."
Next Americans will be building luxury accommodations for all mass-murdering psychopaths, so that the psychopaths too can gain "the respect they feel they deserve." Ja!
Posted by: J.S. at May 15, 2007 1:39 PM
"We have to give the religious leaders the respect they feel they deserve."
"The respect they FEEL they deserve": just another way to enable a bottomless pit of Dhimmitude.
"We HAVE to give the religious leaders .." No, you don't have to give them any such thing.
Posted by: Daisytoo at May 15, 2007 2:46 PM
U.S. forces are building madrassas in Afghanistan.
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But--madrasses are, like, schools--right? Schools are always good. I'm sure that when the Afghan people see us doing something good, like building schools, that they will really like us.
It's when we accidently blow up weddings and stuff that they don't like us. That's the kind of stuff that probably breeds more terrorism. It's sad, but who wouldn't get mad if they saw their neighbor's wedding get blown up?
But building schools and working with local religious leaders, that's a good idea!
at May 15, 2007 3:09 PM
Those so-called weddings were all the wanna-be "martyrs" waiting to "marry" their 72 virgins...the Americans were speeding up the process. No need to get all mad, etc. The Americans should be complimented and praised by the Jihadis (remember, the Jihadis "love death!").
Posted by: J.S. at May 15, 2007 3:17 PM
So the federal Government is now in the business of building madrasses, and refurbishing mosques.
So who will be the teachers here? Will they exclude females from these madrasses?
It looks as if the United States Government may end up helping future jihadists (support for terrorists).
What happen to separation of " church and state"?Is it okay to take federal funds, and federal manpower to build Islamic schools, and mosques in foreign countries?
If the madrasses end up being used only by male students, will the federal govenment be complicit in supporting sex discrimination or does that not apply to federal funds used in a foreign country?
What about all the Christian Churches being destroyed by Islamic factions in Iraq? Is the federal government going to rebuild these as well?
Posted by: Mackie at May 15, 2007 3:23 PM
" Is the federal government going to rebuild these as well?
Posted by: Mackie"
...how about reclaiming those Christian churches that have been converted into mosques,....usually forcibly converted....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 15, 2007 3:38 PM
"Get that naval commander out of the Sharana district, out of Afghanistan, and possibly out of the navy, fast. Start educating the members of the armed forces on the tenets of Islam."
Hugh, I agree with you about that Navy commander. But I must add that all of the dozens of Marines, Soldiers and Airmen that I know, including my son, are quite aware of at least some aspects of the tenets of Islam, if not through education, at least through experience. Regardless of the "political" part of the military including those such as Cdr. Fernandez, those who have fought the jihadists and experienced how the average Iraqi and Afghani Muslims treat their women, children and each other have a very negative view of Muslims in general and Islam in particular. Although they all seem to have positive views of some individual Muslims that they have worked with or encountered, their overall impressions are one of contempt.
at May 15, 2007 3:40 PM
"I don't think the Pentagon has a clue as to what Islam is all about yet." by R_not, above.
Right. This is the Pentagon that didn't want to hear anything from the CIA, or the FBI, or our experienced, war-hardened generals during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq; all our never-been-a-soldier leaders were absolutely certain that knocking out Saddam would lead to the flowering of Utopia in Iraq; and the newly flowing oil wells would pay for the whole enterprise. Mmm-hmmm. And nobody at the top has learned a damned thing from Iraq, nor from the problems facing Britain, Denmark, and France. And now I've just read that 'President Bush just signed a bill ("immigration waiver exception") to accept 25,000 Iraqi Sunni refugees into America'.
See
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=27060
Obviously, Bush is into cultural suicide... ?
at May 15, 2007 3:42 PM
Why on earth should we "respect" a "culture" that marries off prepubescent girls to adult men, is accustomed to using boy children as sex toys (see, e.g., the Taliban directive banning their mighty soldiers from being alone with beardless boys), beats, smothers, starves and honor-kills its women, and displays a stupendous number of those women burning themselves to death because they cannot stand the abuse anymore?
Think about it -- these women are *burning themselves to death* because they cannot stand one more day of being an Afghan woman.
Why should anyone "respect" this "culture"?
Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at May 15, 2007 3:46 PM
"Will they exclude females from these madrasses?"
I watched a video about madrasses in Pakistan...these madrasses were of the radical or extremist variety. The program focused on the "education" of the female students. The students are segregated by gender, and the female students are given a "special" education -- in other words, they are brain-washed into thinking of themselves as breeding machines (that's to supply the "martyrs" for Islam and as many as possible). They learned how to sing songs and march around and repeat Koranic verses. that was the extent of their "education" -- how to become prolific breeders for Islam. And "no", it's not "secular" and it's not about "women's lib", let alone "literacy."
Posted by: J.S. at May 15, 2007 3:51 PM
Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter
Why on earth should we "respect" a "culture" that marries off prepubescent girls to adult men, is accustomed to using boy children as sex toys (see, e.g., the Taliban directive banning their mighty soldiers from being alone with beardless boys),
One group of Afghan warriors have discovered a non-violent way to drive out occupying troops, a radical blood-free alternative to the throat-slashing and head-cutting of Zar-quawi.
It's easy: try to shag the marines. Troops stationed around the Bagram base have reportedly refused to serve and "fled in horror" after a tribe of gay Afghans kept hitting on them.
"It was hell," Corporal Paul Richard said. "Every village we went into we got a group of men stroking our hair and cheeks and making kissing noises."
He later commented, "Lots of the guys turned tail and fled. It was hideous."
More here
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/05/sex-and-single-moslem.html
Posted by: shiva at May 15, 2007 4:38 PM
I know that clown...he's a clintonista.
Posted by: jcom972 at May 15, 2007 6:59 PM
This from BiassedBBC blog
Congratulations must be given to BBC's Panorama for their show tonight on Scientology. Not that I would hold it up as a great example of unbiased journalism, and Ed Thomas makes an important point below below about the BBC's double standards when it comes to dangerous religions, but nevertheless it was a brave program, as various critics of Scientology's tactics can attest. Scientology came across very badly, not because of anything reporter John Sweeney said, but because of they way they treated him. Their chances of being taken seriously as a religion in the UK have decreased even further now.(I think the releasing on YouTube of Sweeney losing it and screaming at them may have backfired, because of the interest it has created in the show. The Church had apparently launched a new campaign to get the Charity Commission to grant them charitable status in the UK -- this show is hardly going to help them).
It was telling, though, that Sweeney said of Scientology's apparent bully-boy tactics that "you can't imagine the Church of England acting this way" (or words to that effect). No, but there is one well-established recognized religion in the UK you can imagine acting that way, which Sweeney conveniently did not mention.
http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/
Actually much worse then anything that Scientologists have ever done in the UK or the US.
at May 15, 2007 7:21 PM
shiva, Marwan
Below a link by a soldier, to what goes in Afghanistan
http://www.exile.ru/2007-May-04/fuck_this_place_.html
Caution - soldier's language
Posted by: DP111 at May 15, 2007 7:28 PM
jcom972, I guess by your definition even MOH recipients such as Emilio de la Garza, Silvestre Herrera, Baldomero Lopez and Maximo Yabes were not "REAL military personnel" because of their lack of "Americanized names." Even if you were just making a piss-poor attempt at humour, it was quite insulting.
Posted by: Don Miguel at May 15, 2007 7:48 PM
present day...not past.
Those MOHers (which hispanics are also among the most decorated in history, and well deserved at that) didn't make policy like this clown is, and is completely diversionary and, itself, a piss-poor attempt on your part to divert from the core point I was making. I was not making humor, I simply stated what was told to me by peers of "eduardo" himself, so my knowledge is first hand, by the source itself.
If that comes off as insulting, then perhaps they should reevaluate their own actions and attitudes which are part of the problem, and not the solution, starting with some of the peers here:
http://www.aztlan.net
http://www.aztlanrising.net
But that's another story...
I say again...I know that clown-he's a clintonista.
Period...I know that first hand as well.
Have a nice day.
at May 15, 2007 9:33 PM
Since I wasn't talking about your opinion of the commander (who BTW, is an obvious fool), I wasn't making any attempt to divert from your point. I was strictly making a comment about your obvious, obnoxious and insulting generalization about "REAL military personnel" and "Americanized names." Apparently I'm not the only one who thought that since your original comment has been edited.
Have a nice day yourself.
Posted by: Don Miguel at May 15, 2007 10:11 PM
I do just that, thank you.
We are, however, in agreement on the need for his removal.
My intention was not intended to insult anyone- it was simply told to me, by those very same folks as "eduardo", including "eduardo" himself, so the "obvious" "obnoxious" "insults" were not on my part, I simply relayed what was thrown in my face, by them, of their own free will and choice in "in your face" fashion...
...why it was done is itself "obvious" "obnoxious" and "insulting" to the nth degree.
I'm just the messenger adding to what such characters like him do behind the scenes, which diminishes the achievements of those who have earned such distinctions as the MOH.
So if anyone else wants to get upset at what I relayed, it's their site-they have that right.
it may not be palatable to some, but it is, nonetheless, the sad truth. I know...I was there.
at May 15, 2007 10:35 PM
Huge you are than idiot have you ever hear of winning people heart and mind. One of Hilter biggest mistake was the way he mistreated the Russian people when he first invade the Soviet Union. The Russian people so hated Stalin that they would have join Germany Militity units and many Soviet Militarty units would have join the Germany in common cause against Stalin. The SS death Squad travel thought the land occupty by Germany murdering Jews and other people at will that the Russian people hated the Germany more than they hated Stalin. Germany regurate military units hated the SS more than anything elso some Germany military units murder the SS Death squad and then blame they death upton Russian Freedom Fighter. Some peaceful Jewish people greet the Germany army as Liberater from Stalin and they help the Germany Military by suppling then with needed materials they make in factory and those jew where murder by the SS Death Squads.
Posted by: DefenderofIslam at May 16, 2007 12:03 AM
Let me see if I can figure this out -
"Huge you are than idiot"
So somebody is huge instead of being an idiot. But I thought that idiocy was not limited to size. I have met short idiots, long idiots, small idiots, and apparently this defenderofislam has met somebody who is huge, and not an idiot. Ok so far !
I regret that I cannot understand the meaning of the rest of defenderofislam's post despite reading it about 7 times. Enlightning stuff, no doubt, since it comes from one who is a defender of islam, but beyond this Infidel's comprehending ability.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 16, 2007 4:07 AM
One of Hilter biggest mistake was the way he mistreated the Russian people when he first invade the Soviet Union.
Uh, just so you know, we in the West do not invoke the name of Hitler when providing examples of good, honest, leadership. Or Stalin for that matter.
Now, I understand the almost magical attraction islam and muslims have for Hitler but it if history is any indication, idolizing Hitler is not a wise decision. But islam cannot help but attach itself to evil deeds and evil men, can it?
There's a clue in their somewhere. See if you can find it.
Posted by: mike trivisonno at May 16, 2007 7:20 AM
I regret that I cannot understand the meaning of the rest of defenderofislam's post despite reading it about 7 times. posted by arjunsevak
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger.
I think it is a case of that new version of the old quote.
'Those who re-write history are doomed to get it confused.'
I think he trying to tell us that we should learn military strategy from Hitler's mistakes.
You know, don't use scorched earth when you can win hearts and minds.
Yeah and if you believe that I have some swampland in FL for sale cheap, it's hardly ever on fire.
at May 16, 2007 7:26 AM
defenderofislam,
Have you considered skull trepanation yet? There are some inexpensive do-it-yourself "Black and Decker" kits available on the Internet. It may not make you more intelligent, but at least it will keep you busy with something more suitable for you than writing English comments.
I assume your comment was intended for an English speaking reader, right?
Anyway, whether yes or not, go for it man! Have fun!
at May 16, 2007 10:04 AM
It's when you read phrases like
"U.S. forces are building madrassas in Afghanistan"
you just HOPE HOPE HOPE it's April the first.
But, you know it isn't.
And this is just one part of that heroic Operation-let's-build-'em-tons-of-groovy-stuff-so-they'll-love-us-to-bits that's diverting money from those evil US taxpayers into the arms of those oh-so-deserving crazies somewhere in the Hindu Kush mountains.
And then the clincher line
"We have to give the religious leaders the respect they feel they deserve"
shakes head in disbelief
To say that our poicy is flawed in Afghanistan and Iraq is THE understatement of this young century.
Ever so slightly OT. Recently I heard Bill O Reilly on Letterman where he said something along the lines of "Trying to give demAAAAAcracy to Iraq was a good idea".
Now, on many issues, O Reilly is absolutely spot on. About Islamic terror on US soil, etc, he's very informed and gets his point across really well.
But, Bill, old boy, it's probably the WOOOOOORST possible idea in the world to give the muslims the vote.
ABSOLUTELY CRAZY
And that infidel soldiers are going to lose their lives so that some nutter on a camel can mark a cross next to some crazy-on-a-mission who will be elected and write that the Constitution is to be based on the Koran?
To quote McEnroe, "You cannot be serious!"
at May 17, 2007 5:55 AM
You can learn alot by studying history an other cultures. History have taughter that armies and empire that employ burtal practice when they invade donot win in the long run. The SS tactic make the Soviet solider fight harder and make Stalin look better to his own people. Armies and Empire that win the heart and mind of the people they conquest have less internal resolts and laster longer. When Stalin purge his military he kill off the general who knew the Germany tactic first hand since the 1920's the Germany Army have than treathy with the Soviet Union to built and traim both Germany and Soviet Force in tank warfare and armour tactic and stragic. Stalin have to make the Miltia Commander of Siberia the top commander of the Soviet Force who as the Secert Police Boss alwat told Stalin is political unriable and Stalin alway said I need than General who know how to fight not than political safe one.
Posted by: DefenderofIslam at May 17, 2007 8:15 AM
I have to say this about defender of islam, he is pretty consistent.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 18, 2007 2:22 AM
Yep, credit where it's due, he certainly is consistent.
Posted by: ewha1 at May 18, 2007 5:33 AM
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