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The persecution of Christians in Iraq has nearly accomplished its goal. From AINA, with thanks to DFS:
(AINA) -- The Reverend Temathaus Eisha, pastor of the Church of St. Shimoni in the besieged1 Dora district of Baghdad, confirmed to ankawa.com that the information published about the forced displacement of Christian Assyrians from their homes in the district is accurate. He added that the conditions were horrible, especially in the Al-Ta'ma, Al-iskan, Al-mo'alimeen, Al-shurTa, Al-sitten, and Asia neighborhoods.The three remaining neighborhoods that are relatively calm are Hai Al-athuriyeen (Assyrian quarter), Al-jim'iya, and Al-sihha.
The large-scale campaign consists of expelling all Christians, unless they convert to Islam or pay the jizya (AINA 4-17-2007, 3-18-2007), a "protection" tax demanded by the Koran, or leave their homes and belongings.
He added that the majority of Assyrians have abandoned these areas.
Posted by Robert at May 23, 2007 5:08 AM
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Today I will light a candle, say a silent prayer as I would for a fallen comrade....for indeed a comrade has fallen, perhaps just as permanent as comrade killed by a snipers bullet....
This takeover of Christians appears destined to repeat itself in Uk, Spain, France, India, Germany, NOrway, Amsterdam, and others.
As the rest of the Christian world seeming is unwilling to fight, the Muslim onslaught will move ever faster....a runaway train on a downhill track...
...Those who will fight should be preparing...The fight will be in your neighborhood soon...Those who will not fight , just stand aside and sip your dhimmi koolaid....you deserve whatever fate the Muslims have in store for you....need a clue?...just see how non Muslims are treated in todays real world in real Muslim dominated countries...it is not a pretty picture....
...it becomes clearer as each day passes, that you must expect violence at the hands of the Muslims and it becomes clearer you must inflict violence upon the Muslims if you intend to keep your life and your way of life....
The smell of death is in the air....
Ban Muslim immigration now..
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at May 23, 2007 6:37 AM
Why is this not being reported in the mainstream media here in Uk?? Its ethnic cleansing in a way isn't it?
Someone try and explain to me why nothing is ever said in the media about this, why no one has stood up to be counted and said "no more", why do our politicians ignore all the facts that are present on websites like this one?? That intelligent men and women can ignore things like this and not defend the people they are paid to represent astounds me!!
I will fight!!
Posted by: Demvaril
at May 23, 2007 6:42 AM
Yes, it's strange that there's nothing in the MSM about this, considering that the MSM is part of the evil Global Right Wing Conspiracy that will miss no opportunity to denigrate Muslims.
Also, how they can possibly offer the triple choice? I was assured by experts that there is no compulsion in religion.
Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop
at May 23, 2007 7:54 AM
The MSM is quick to remind you of how the American Idol voting is going and quick to show you photographs of illegal Mexican immigrants protesting about the difficulties they are having in getting benefits normally entitled to American citizens....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at May 23, 2007 8:15 AM
"Protection" tax.
Protection from whom?
From them.
Just where do we think the mafia got their tactics? From the muslim invasion of Italy.
at May 23, 2007 9:11 AM
This is what happens when you just lay back and do nothing when you have the numbers to back you. Appeasing them, running, 'hoping', etc all take its toll and then the violence starts from the muslims when their numbers are such that they feel they can start their murder. And others don't seem to learn from all of this. Why? Because we have no one teaching history - of anything useful and others had the same thing we have - a left wing that appeases muslims. And we have large groups, eg: Catholics, who are openly appeasing the muslims while other Christians around this globe are being murdered by the muslims.
Now, by this mass exodus they won't have a group that pays them, or does their dirty work. They have lost their underdogs and when they wake up and figure out that they are the losers - not the Christians. They are not rich enough like the Saudis to pay for their dhimmi to come in and work for them. Right now Iraq has our military doing much of the work they should be doing. It is disgusting. But with our Congress on edge - it won't be long before they won't have that either.
One thing I have been learning about these countries is that they don't teach their children to become workers, or anything good for their society - they teach the koran. You can have only so many shop keepers, or taxi drivers, useless muslim clerics, or whatever they don't think is demeaning for a muslim to do. At one point the Saudis tried offering money for their youth to take up subjects like mechanics, etc - and so very few took up the offer it was discontinued.
And then what do we have? The older men, marry more than one woman, the women are unstable with what they have since they have to share and women who depend on their own sons because of their own unstability. We only see so many young people who don't even have enough money to get married at younger ages, who are idle and who are susceptible to radical callings.
Can anyone say they have seem muslims work in auto mechanics even here in the USA, or Europe? Or do anything in areas of anything that might mean they get down and dirty?
Posted by: R_not
at May 23, 2007 10:08 AM
R-not,
Unlike Western Culture, Islam does not value a work ethic. Just plunder, kill, and enslave. Wealth is obtained by inheritence or war spoils. Even in the UAE, the most "liberal" of the Arab countries the laborers are treated like slaves and live in horrible conditions.
I hope every Christian forced to leave his/her home set it on fire as they were leaveing. I certainly would. The thought of some hateful person stealing my home and laughing about it would make me ill. If I couldn't burn it, then I'd take dead fish and put them in the walls. Then at least the scum would have to gut the place to remove the stench that is their culture.
Posted by: never_submit
at May 23, 2007 10:56 AM
"And we have large groups, eg: Catholics, who are openly appeasing the muslims while other Christians around this globe are being murdered by the muslims" --from above
The Chaldean Catholic Church, to which many Iraqi Christians belong, is in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church.
I don't think that the Catholic Church is entirely indifferent to the welfare of its flock in particular, to other Christians by extension and to human suffering in general.
Posted by: Chatillon
at May 23, 2007 11:24 AM
So how can we get MSM to report this? to show the masses who are mostly unaware exactly what is happening? Do i have to stand on a shoebox in trafalgar square and shout it to them myself? I may get in the news with that!!
I will Fight!!!
Posted by: Demvaril
at May 23, 2007 11:36 AM
The perfect result of "democracy" instead of "a secular Consitutional government".
The Administration allowed the theocratic lunatics to dictate the Iraqi Constitutional set-up.
Essentially enshrining the camel's nose of Sharia Law, and naively permitting it to get its terroristic snout under the national tent's edge.
"Democracy" is homicidal mob rule without a system of laws FIRST that prevent "religious" control of the state.
The Blind (about Islam, in the infidel camp) allowing the Tunnel Visioneers (of Islam) to steer the entire Coalition Operation.
Pre-guaranteeing distaster of the entire quixotic effort.
No secular state = failure.
at May 23, 2007 12:16 PM
"The term 'Iraq' is for arabs" --from above
From Wikipedia:
"There are several suggested origins for the name Iraq. One dates to the Sumerian city of Uruk (or Erech); another posits that Iraq comes from the Aramaic language, meaning "the land along the banks of the rivers;" another, that Iraq refers to the root of a palm tree numerous in the country."
The name "Iraq" seems to have connections to the period predating the Moslem conquest and rather less to do with Arabs. Perhaps, among other things that could be reclaimed (e.g. the land itself), the name of the country could also be rehabilitated.
Posted by: Chatillon
at May 23, 2007 1:16 PM
Never sight Wikipedia in an argument. Look up stuff on Wikipedia if you want a quik refernce or definition. If you are going to make a point get a real source.
Posted by: Ruebacca
at May 23, 2007 2:01 PM
Baghdad Assyrian District Emptied; Churches, Monasteries Abandoned
Your US Tax Dollars at Work
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at May 23, 2007 2:39 PM
There is no compulsion in ethic cleansing.
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Oh, by the way, where are those paragons of virtue of at Amnesty International and Phonies Without Borders and the rest?
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Another billion bucks for the UN? Whadd'ya say?
Posted by: joeblough
at May 23, 2007 2:58 PM
"Never sight(sic) Wikipedia in an argument. Look up stuff on Wikipedia if you want a quik(sic) refernce(sic) or definition. If you are going to make a point get a real source." --from above
Thank you. In other words, use Wikipedia but by no means ever admit this to anyone. Gotcha.
Posted by: Chatillon
at May 23, 2007 4:08 PM
"Baghdad Assyrian District Emptied; Churches, Monasteries Abandoned
Your US Tax Dollars at Work
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2"
....more like the Peaceful Religion of Islam at work....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at May 23, 2007 4:21 PM
Ah, yes, the religion of peace, compassion, tolerance; its earnest supporters pronounce that "there is no compulsion in religion" ... unfortunately just a few hundred thousand zealots misunderstand this perfect religion/society, founded by the perfect man, whose example all are supposed to emulate, blah-blah...
/makes me gag.
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse
at May 23, 2007 5:23 PM
Arabs are nothing but troublemakers. They have been since the days of Ishmael.
Posted by: callmeinfidel
at May 23, 2007 5:56 PM
Where I lived there are many muslim who worked as auto mechanci,doctor, builter of homes and many other skilled labor a few even are college profforsers.
Posted by: DefenderofIslam
at May 23, 2007 6:37 PM
What was that guy's name? Y'all know, he was the fellow who kept the lid on the religious and tribal divisions in Iraq. He even had a Christian in his cabinet. What happened to him? Why was he gotten rid of anyway?
Now I understand it when Iraqi Christians say bad things about the US.
at May 23, 2007 6:46 PM
EliasAlucard, I did make my comment before reading the entire thread. I agree, even if I were born in Mexico, I would not consider myself a Mexican in the ethnic sense. However, Americans are different and see the would differently. We are all Americans whether we are White Anglo Saxon Protestants, Eastern Europeans, or even of African origin. Don't be too insulted when you are referred to as an Iraqi by people like me. However, I will not mistake you for an Arab.
Posted by: Pelayo
at May 23, 2007 7:03 PM
"And we have large groups, eg: Catholics, who are openly appeasing the muslims while other Christians around this globe are being murdered by the muslims" --from above
I don't think that the Catholic Church is entirely indifferent to the welfare of its flock in particular, to other Christians by extension and to human suffering in general.
Chatillon, I strongly suggest you read the following. They depict a Vatican that has been profoundly indifferent to the suffering of Middle Eastern Christians, inflicted with a sense of false ecumenism, and willing (especially in the case of John Paul II) to place a geopolitical and theological agenda ahead of the lives of the innocent:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000594.php
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio.jsp?id=6973&eng=y
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13455
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15865
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23484
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25409
Posted by: Joseph D'Hippolito
at May 23, 2007 7:49 PM
Joseph D'Hippilito:
Thank you for your many references. Were they intended to prove the point that the Catholic Church is indifferent to its members? A house divided against itself, as it were? If so, I'm afraid I couldn't draw that conclusion from the citations offered.
The citations you offer seem to describe various degrees of outreach to the Moslem world made by certain churchmen, or in some instances, describe the internal debate within the Catholic Church concerning outreach to the Moslem world and a growing uneasines with it (e.g. http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio.jsp?id=6973&eng=y). One may certainly criticize the Catholic hierarchy when it comes to naive overtures to a community whose values are inimical to the Church's ministry. But how does it follow that such overtures, ill-advised as they may be, represent deliberate indifference to one's own flock? I don't think it does, at least not from the sources you offer.
Posted by: Chatillon
at May 23, 2007 8:28 PM
Perhaps a little more on topic, it would help if all Western institutions, religious and secular both, made the state of non-Moslems in Moslem countries an issue; a firm, presistent talking point in all discussions with all Moslem polities, especially the Saudis.
So why isn't this an issue? Why isn't diaspora of Christians from their homelands; Assyrians and Lebanese now, Greeks and Armenians in recent memory and so many others? Why isn't Darfur more of an issue than it is for that matter? Perhaps one might offer the explanation that the powers-that-be don't want to make matters worse. But what are the "matters" at stake that could be put at risk? In the Church's case, it's evident that matters of faith take precedence. Surprised? Hasn't it been Benedict XVI who has consistently called for the Eurpoean Parliament to ensconce recognition of Europe's Christian heritage into the document? Was it not the same man who gave voice to his thoughts at the University of Regensburg, expressing the need for reason and faith to work together in the complete human being, only to find that Moslem fanatics hurried to find offense at his words? He measured his responses, in my view solicitous of Christians in Moslem lands who might have to pay the price for a bolder retort on his part.
On the other hand, US admininstration has made much of its connection to the Christian community in the US, but seems to be oblivious to the condition of Christians elsewhere, particularly in Moslem-dominated lands like Iraq. How are the needs of those devout Americans, some of whom voted for President Bush at least once, served at present by a war in Iraq? Weren't the 9/11 atrocities perpetrated by mostly Saudis living in the US? Weren't the funds for the perpetrators channelled through the UAE? So why are there more Saudi "students" allowed into the US? Why was the current president so keen to support the UAE's bid to take over operations of US portlands?
The continuing persecution by Moslems of non-Moslems, as discussed in the above posting, is a grievous violation of human rights. So where does this appear on the political agenda? Mr. Bush, do you have an answer?
Posted by: Chatillon
at May 23, 2007 9:14 PM
Chatillon-
Compare the hysterical, thinly-veiled anti-Semitic coverage last year of Hezbollah being responded to by Israel (every night on every news) -with the near-invisibility of the story of the "Muslims killing Muslims" going on in Lebanon's "Palestinian Refugee Camp" -or the mostly-mum treatment of the Muslims killing Muslims coverage of Darfur.
It doesn't further the anti-Israel, anti-U.S. agenda of the media to show Muslims as homicidal maniacs, and Islam as the spawning ground of terror and irrationality and intolerance and mayhem.
So, silence... or as near to it as they can manage.
Assyrians? What Assyrians?
If they were yelling about the U.S. or the Jews, they'd get plenty of airtime.
They should make signs excoriating Bush for failing to help.
Maybe then the press would notice.
Posted by: profitsbeard
at May 23, 2007 9:53 PM
I agree Chatillon. The Catholic Church authority is very much pacifist in nature, and that is the main issue I have with them.
As to the MSM, have you been watching their diverging tactics in regards to the war against the Palestinian jihadists in Lebanon: trying to excuse the Islamists as poverty stricken, unfairly treated, and helpless you-and-I. The spin they are giving it is sickening, as though Islamists don’t exist all around the Islamic world under normal conditions. Obviously, they are playing the sympathy card for the Palestinians, against Israel and Palestinian hosts. I would figure the Palestinians and other Islamists are now experts at manipulating the MSM, considering they were buying them off since :
“Public order deteriorated with daily acts of violence between Christians and Palestinians. To counter Christian political resistance the PLO set about isolating the Christian community and distorting Christian image and goals. The Christians were branded as isolationists, traitors, rightists, fascists, anti Arab, and Israeli collaborators. The PLO media machine which controlled most of the press activity of Beirut did such a fine job distorting the truth about their Lebanese opponents that to this day the Lebanese Christians are having difficulty in shaking off the isolationist label given to them by the PLO.”
The Troubled Years, 1970-1974: http://www.cedarland.org/war.html
at May 23, 2007 10:32 PM
I would like to add that it was disgusting to watch CNN equating Palestenian camps with camps setup for the refugees of Darfur, as if they were somehow the same.
I’m not completely heartless to people destined to live all their lives in a confined space, but let’s understand the facts first: Lebanon has a population of only 4 million, and the Palestinians are over 400,000 in Lebanon. The Palestinians have absolutely no respect for Lebanon, humanity, or the country’s various religious groups. Anyone of the other major Arab states can absorb the Palestinians and feel nothing, but the Palestinians are in Lebanon to ensure the country can be destabilized at the whim of an Arab leader, and to ensure Sunnis can fight back Shiites.
at May 23, 2007 11:23 PM
So let's see.
Since the glorious "IRAQI FREEDOM" rolled into town we
a) can witness the destruction of the non Muslim community in Iraq
and
b) Infidels giving their lives so that the Constitution can be based on the Quran.
wonders why the invasion apologists are steering clear of this thread.
Posted by: ewha1
at May 24, 2007 1:54 AM
As confirmation, an Iraqi has just posted me:
"...the Imam in a Christian suburb has visited all the Christian dwellers and ordered them to leave their homes taking nothing with them or choose to pay Jisea or come to the mosque on Friday and convert to Islam. All of them have left taking refuge at the churches."
Posted by: MBR
at May 24, 2007 2:40 AM
"Since the glorious "IRAQI FREEDOM" rolled into town we
a) can witness the destruction of the non Muslim community in Iraq"
Posted by: ewha1
....the glorious "Iraqi Freedom" has nothing to do with the destructions of the Non Muslim community in Iraq...the destrusction and elimination of Non Muslims in Iraq and other Non Muslim countries began about 1400 years ago...
"b) Infidels giving their lives so that the Constitution can be based on the Quran."
Posted by: ewha1
....what an asinine statement....Islamic terrorists are taking lives so that the Constitution can be replaced by the Qur'an.
go back to your Islamic slavemaster and tell him Islam is doomed....
at May 24, 2007 5:31 AM
Hilarious. It's directed at moi.
Little old moi
It seems if you don't support the Iraqi war you just have to be a quote unquote "Islamic slavemaster"
PRICELESS.
It's made my day.
Hugh and Robert. Do as the wise poster, exsgtbrown says and....altogether now........GO BACK TO YOUR ISLAMIC SLAVEMASTER
exsgtbrown, ole boy, you are aware that both Robert and Hugh of this....cough....website have been some of the biggest critics of the Iraq war?
cough
Posted by: ewha1
at May 24, 2007 6:19 AM
exsgtbrown ole boy , here's the bit in the Iraqi Constitution about........cough........the Quran.
Article (2):
1st — Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
But it's "asinine" to point this little fact out is it?
And it's also "asinine" to point out that 1,000's of Infidel's lives have been lost just so that the Constitution can be based on the Quran.
I hate to point this out but the Iranians suckered us into this pile of poopy plops and they've been the big winners , with the Saudis, of this historic ef up.
Posted by: ewha1
at May 24, 2007 6:26 AM
exstbrown thinks that I'm a slave of Islam.
Priceless, exstbrown, f#$king , p@ssing , sh*tting , priceless.
BTW You are aware , exstbrown , are you not , that you are a loon? A fully fledged copper bottom barrelled nut case.
Posted by: ewha1
at May 24, 2007 6:33 AM
OMG I've just noticed. exstbrown's knowledge of Iraq is so threadbare that he/she/it is unaware just exactly what the Iraqi Constitution says.
From nutjob exstbrown
"what an asinine statement....Islamic terrorists are taking lives so that the Constitution can be replaced by the Qur'an"
The poor lad is completely unaware that the Iraqi Constitution is based on the Quran.
Which is a bit surprising, seeing as Hugh and Robert have talked at length about this.
Poor exstbrown, completely unaware that the Iraqi Constitution is based on Islam.
Steady with the meds now, exstbrown.
Posted by: ewha1
at May 24, 2007 6:39 AM
Well said EliasAlucard.
Waits for a foaming , sweating , pill taking exstbrown to label EliasAlucard as being "in the pay of Islamists"
Posted by: ewha1
at May 24, 2007 6:56 AM
PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT
I nominate Elias Alucard for the next Nobel ________ ( fill in ) Prize
"muslims aren't compatible with democracy"
But for the exstbrowns of this world he/she/it think it's the duty of every infidel to give their life and / or their tax money so that demAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAcracy can flourish in muslim lands.
And when you point out the ever so slight flaw in this otherwise cunning plan you'll be called "a slave of allah"
The irony's so thick you could give it a fake Texan accent and call it George Bush
Posted by: ewha1
at May 24, 2007 7:58 AM
It is regrettable what is happening to the Assyrians, but I for one don’t feel comfortable having tyrants (thieves, murderers, warmongers, and fascists) running other countries (like Syria and Iran.) The problem with Iraq is how it was handled, which is with sensitivity to Islam, which has been proven to be a failed and Nazi-like ideology. But at least now we know the consequences of backing Islam, yet again.
Posted by: ofcourse
at May 24, 2007 10:44 AM
DefenderofIslam says "Where I lived there are many muslim who worked as auto mechanci,doctor, builter of homes and many other skilled labor a few even are college profforsers."
And not far from where I live, Muslims planned, then carried out the 7/7 atrocity.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683
at May 24, 2007 1:39 PM
What is happening to the Assyrians in Iraq today wil hapen to all other non-Muslims if these extremists are allowed to live in a country. In addition to banning Muslim immigration, other nations should execute all captured terrorists without giving them the benefit of trials. Additionally, all Muslim places of worship should be destroyed staring with Mecca and Medina. That will tell Muslims that the rest of humanity is not going to take their abuse any longer.
Posted by: Christian
at May 25, 2007 12:27 PM
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