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Reacting to the now-notorious suckling fatwa, Ali Gomaa, the statue-hatin', wife-beatin', Hizballah-supportin' Mufti of Egypt, says we should bring some common sense back to the fatwa-issuing process. And I am all for that. What say the Mufti, instead of directing his attention to the toilet habits of Muhammad and his companions, issue a clear, unequivocal fatwa against the harassment and persecution of Copts and other non-Muslims? How about one that not only denounces attacks on innocent civilians without defining the terms, but one that says that Israeli, British, and American non-combatants, as well as non-Muslim non-combatants elsewhere, are innocent civilians?
Too much to ask?
"Mufti Ali Gomaa calls for restrictions on issuing fatwas," by Yasmine Saleh in Egypt's Daily Star, with thanks to LGF:
CAIRO: Ali Gomaa, Egypt's top Mufti, requested that all Islamic institutions put a unified standard to which all sheikhs in the world should adhere, when it comes to issuing fatwas, reported Al-Ahram Daily newspaper.Gomaa made the request three days ago during a conference that brought together members of Dar El Ift (house of fatwa, religious edicts) yesterday in Kuwait.
The conference, titled "Issuing Fatwas in the Open World," is expected to run for three days, said Al-Ahram.
Gomaa himself is the author of a controversial book which claimed that Prophet Mohammed’s (PBUH) companions used to drink his urine, considering it a blessed act, as reported by Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper.
Gomaa stuck to his position despite criticism, claiming that everything which emanated from the Prophet is pure and sacred.
“We hope that we will no longer have to see another fake and incorrect fatwa similar to those that have been released recently about breastfeeding adult men and the Prophet's Mohammed’s (PBUH) urine,” Sheikh Mohmoud Ashour, former deputy of Al Azhar and member of the Islamic Research Center, told The Daily Star Egypt.
"If implemented properly [Gomaa’s recommendation] will prevent fatwas from becoming a business not a science as it should be," Ashour said pointing to the sheikhs who appear on TV and profit from making controversial and incorrect fatwas."A person who issues a fatwa should be qualified to do so. He should be honest and careful with every fatwa he releases," Ashour said.
Gomaa's request came a week after Sheikh Ezzat Atiya, president of the Hadith (Prophet Mohamed’s (PBUH) Sayings) department at Al-Azhar University, issued the breastfeeding fatwa in which he had drawn on Islamic traditions which forbid sexual relations between a men and a women who had breastfed him, to suggest that symbolic breastfeeding could be a way round the strict segregation of males and females.
The resultant controversy led to an apology and withdrawal from Atiya that was followed by Al-Azhar’s decision to suspend him and refer him to a disciplinary committee.
Posted by Robert at May 31, 2007 2:48 PM
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Greetings:
The title of the conference "Issuing Fatwas in the Open World" is interesting to me. Is there a "closed" world where fatwas can be issued?
Beware of Muslims bearing adjectives.
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at May 31, 2007 3:23 PM
I take it the suckling fatwa went too far, but condemning scultors another story?
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 31, 2007 3:37 PM
Or hymenoplasty?
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 31, 2007 3:40 PM
11B40 - my thoughts exactly... 'open world'
sounds like:
Being too Islamic can ruin Islam's image. Save the insanity for the time when the kuffar aren't watching or can voice no opposition. Be cool until then.
also:
"A person who issues a fatwa should be qualified to do so. He should be honest and careful with every fatwa he releases," Ashour said.
Honest and careful - especially in an 'open world'. People may actually pay attention.
at May 31, 2007 3:40 PM
If you worship the violent ways of a 7th century murdering caravan raider, can you be no different?..
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 31, 2007 3:42 PM
maybe of Mufti was worried that someone would issue a fatwa on him....almost any Muslim can issue a fatwa for almost any reason....and we have seen some of the fatwa reasons...signs of serious brain disorder shows....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 31, 2007 4:08 PM
"Gomaa himself is the author of a controversial book which claimed that Prophet Mohammed’s (PBUH) companions used to drink his urine, considering it a blessed act, as reported by Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper."
This gives a whole new meaning to the PBUH that Muslims attach to the name of the Prophet Mohammad (Piss: Bottoms Up! Huzzah!).
Posted by: Jimmy the Dhimmi at May 31, 2007 4:09 PM
How about the Muftis start issuing slimwas? The musliminas can dominate the modeling world if they shed their Burqas!
Posted by: Quijybo at May 31, 2007 4:43 PM
all Islamic institutions put a unified standard
Oh, like a Caliphate?
NEXT!
Posted by: Greek Fire at May 31, 2007 4:49 PM
"...house of fatwas..."?~~
Is that like the House of Pancakes?~~
Could I get a Blueberry Fatwa, with some marzipan Taqiyya and side order of Shirk?~~
House of Fatwas!~~
You can't make these morons up!~~
*~@):~{>
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 31, 2007 5:12 PM
Gomaa stuck to his position despite criticism, claiming that everything which emanated from the Prophet is pure and sacred.This is one of the basic tenets of Islam, as is repeatedly emphasized on this website (and obviously ignored by Islam apologists). Posted by: US_infidel
at May 31, 2007 5:20 PM
US_infidel-
Let's hope that no Islamic coprolitologists find anything Mohammedan near Mecca in the future.
Washed down with some Zam-Zam water?
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 31, 2007 5:36 PM
Does anybody have this hadith where it says the the followers of the profit used to drink his urine?
One hadith describes that Muhammad had lice and that Aiyesha used to pick them out of his hair. Since Muhammed is the perfect man and every Muhammedan wants to emulate him, shouldn't they all have lice and 9 year old wifes who pick them out of their hair?
Just wondering...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 31, 2007 6:03 PM
There's plenty of support in the hadith for suckling of adult males. Gomaa is just doing Islamic image management, like the Muslim spokesmen always do when such stories hit the media fan.
Posted by: Khaybar Oasis at May 31, 2007 6:11 PM
it's funny and sad...... the "prophet" wants no idol worship. Yet the common practice is to emulate Muhammed... what gives?
Grow a beard like Mo... Marry 9 year olds like Mo... Kill non-mussies like Mo...... I want to be like Mo... Maybe a new campaign ad? It's idol worship. Plain and simple, and following Mo's example, you are worshipping a false god ( and a tyrant, pedophile, despotic warlord) And all of the others hadiths you follow
at May 31, 2007 6:33 PM
'"If implemented properly [Gomaa’s recommendation] will prevent fatwas from becoming a business not a science as it should be," Ashour said.'
A science? A science?
Huh?
Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at May 31, 2007 6:41 PM
Wait a second....if *everything* emanating from the body of "the prophet" was pure and sacred...hmmmm....what about some of those *other* bodily functions (?) let's see -- there's spit, puke, etc. So what did the followers do? Did it just stop at drinking urine? This cult really is too weird and too disturbed.
Posted by: J.S. at May 31, 2007 7:42 PM
I've heard tell that the urine slushie is very popular at 9-11s in Pakistan.
Oh -- yes, I said 9-11. That's the franchise they started after the famous day of celebration. It's like our 7-11 -- only different.
Posted by: jsla at May 31, 2007 8:19 PM
The suckling fatwa made 'perfect' sense to a simple primitive breed of animal, they cannot possibly refer him to a disciplinary committee for displaying such logic, muslim logic that is...
Posted by: eloivsdiablo at May 31, 2007 8:42 PM
Al Azhar "university" in Cairo, Egypt is supposedly the most prestigious Islamic "university" in the Arab world. It's goal is to propagate Islam (and its superstitions). And this "university" is the one which is "partnering" with universities in Canada (including the University of Toronto -- which should be ashamed). Seriously, what do such "scholars" have to teach Canadian profs? that "the prophet's followers drank his urine?" and other such enlightening "science of Islam" pursuits? It marks the continued debasement of "scholarship" and academics in the West (we have the proliferation of conspiracy theories generated not by tabloid writers, but by "universities" and "profs" like Ward Churchill, or tenured, Canadian "profs" participating in Holocaust denial conferences, and on and on it goes.)
Posted by: J.S. at May 31, 2007 8:57 PM
all of those damnable muftis and mullahs and sheeks and ayatollahs and imams are crazy as shit house bats anyways. How they can get anyone to listen to them is way beyond me.
Posted by: el greco at May 31, 2007 9:04 PM
"Gomaa himself is the author of a controversial book which claimed that Prophet Mohammed’s (PBUH) companions used to drink his urine, considering it a blessed act...."
--- from the article above
Not quite as dramatic, I suppose, as Shakespeare's Antony, before he became bewitched by Cleopatra, on that barge she sat in (like a burnished throne), that burned on the water. Antony, after all, as a soldier did manage to drink "the stale of horses."
But close.
Posted by: Hugh at May 31, 2007 9:07 PM
Cwazy Fatwa Contest? Robert, what about it?
Posted by: Hugh at May 31, 2007 9:08 PM
Is it just my sick mind? Fatwa sounds a lot like flatus. Do these two words have the same root?
A prolific producer of fatwas is suffering from fatwalence. That would be a good title for a mufti. Address him as "Your Exhalted Fatwalence."
I must laugh to keep from crying.
Posted by: Pelayo at May 31, 2007 9:18 PM
"Crazy" Fatwas ? Is there any other?
Posted by: MoBlows at May 31, 2007 9:25 PM
Hugh, search "Ask the other Imam" on Iowahawk.
Posted by: Pelayo at May 31, 2007 9:36 PM
I have a hard time telling crazy fatwas from non-crazy ones. Are there distinguishing features?
Posted by: Martin at May 31, 2007 9:47 PM
"I have a hard time telling crazy fatwas from non-crazy ones."
-- from a posting above
You have a point.
Posted by: Hugh at May 31, 2007 10:43 PM
I got yer crazy Fatwa..:
http://www.barbneal.com/wav/ltunes/bugsyos/by01.wav
at May 31, 2007 11:32 PM
..mo crazy ass fatwa,,
http://www.barbneal.com/wav/ltunes/Taz/Taz05.wav
Posted by: Madduck at May 31, 2007 11:37 PM
Are you looking for just the right explosives to strap into your vest?
Do you want the explosion to light the sky up for Allah?
Do you want more boom for your buck?
Well come on down to Crazy Fatwa's fireworks!
If it goes boom, We got it, because....
We're Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy!!!!!!!
at June 1, 2007 12:27 AM
The only case of urine drinking that I found was when Dr Mohammed prescribed it to members of the Ukil/Uraina tribe - that too camel urine and milk. I don't recall whether the hadith stated that they should be mixed or not - oh, well, what's the difference?
Falls into the crazy vs. non-crazy fatwa category
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 1, 2007 2:00 AM
Oh, I recall that Dinesh D'Souza referenced him as a traditional Muslim. Which means that the two could get together for a nice drink, maybe on the shores of Alexandria.
If I were Dinesh, I wouldn't be trusting Gomaa to prepare the drink.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 1, 2007 2:03 AM
From a posting above:
'Seriously, what do such "scholars" have to teach Canadian profs? that "the prophet's followers drank his urine?'
Far left Canadian prof's (and their comrades in other countries) are just about as demented as the lunatics in Al Azahr who call the profits crap 'science'-
want proof?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 1, 2007 3:42 AM
I read yesterday that the U.N. is launching a special initiative to popularize dates. (The edible variety). The article said that it was a crime that not everybody was eating dates, since they are so highly nutritious and can cure AIDS too.
Have the saudis bought the entire U.N. ?
Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 1, 2007 4:37 AM
"Have the saudis bought the entire U.N. ?
Posted by: arjun.sevak "
...I am speculating that every time an UN vote on anything occurs, most of the Member nations immediately get an Email: "The check is in the mail!"....probably from Saudi Arabia or Iran....
at June 1, 2007 7:51 AM
Years ago, a prominent historian of Arabia, who worked in England, told me that someone else of minor eminence he knew -- a British diplomat who had once been posted to the Gulf -- had a pro-"Palestinian" letter published in "The Times." He was surprised to receive in the mail, a day or two later, a check for 1,000 pounds from, he reported, "the Embassy of Kuwait."
What he did with the check I don't remember. I think he may have sent it back, indignantly.
But I am sure that many people were not surprised, but indeed deliberately angling for such payments (not to mention those regularly paid off, or full-time employees of Arab prop[aganda efforts), to receive checks in the mail, and had no qualms, no qualms at all, about cashing those checks.
Posted by: Hugh at June 1, 2007 9:10 AM
“Gomaa stuck to his position despite criticism, claiming that everything which emanated from the Prophet is pure and sacred.”
This is major insanity. So even Muhammad’s excrement is pure & sacred. No doubt Gomaa would have recommended to Muslims at the time the honor of having the prophet squat over their face and have a dump in their mouths.
Confirms my suspicions that Islam induces mental illness (seriously). So can other religions but Muslims are much more likely to be very dangerous.
This is also deification. Even Christians who revere Jesus as divine would not make such a claim about his piss, but Muslims, though they claim Muhammad was only a man have really deified him in their minds. This partly explains their outrage at images of the prophet: they make him look human. Their rediculous outrage even looks like mental illness. IMO millions of them should be in straightjackets.
at June 1, 2007 9:11 AM
Speaking of "cwazy"...there's another one -- a few weeks ago a Pakistani editor here in Canada got beat up. Why? Because he had the audacity to question/ridicule a Muslim (imam?) who made claims that he saw "the prophet's" footsteps on the moon. (yet another instance of Muslim "science" in operation, I guess). I also suspect that next the imam will be charging that the U.S. illegally occupies the moon, when, after all, Mo was there first... (once again, these are "cwazy" buraq believers...and, "no," I don't think "science" is their forte.)
Posted by: J.S. at June 1, 2007 10:21 AM
Coca Cola launches new venture in Middle East.
Dawa Water..processed thru Pisstilation.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan at June 1, 2007 10:23 AM
The science of fatwas, now there's a subject to delve into, but not for the unqualified, amateur fatwa huckster who uses television to make a quick fatwa buck off sensational fatwas. Those fly-by-night-on-their-mythical-steeds from one 7/11 to another 7/11 fatwa profiteers cheapen and debase the fatwas of all true scholars of fatwawology.
Screaming faith healers curing fake cripples and begging for dollars to send me water or amulets they have imbued with divine powers suddenly seem more respectable. At least they aren't extorting money or issuing death threats to people who won't join their religious club.
Fatwa is just another word for criminal cohercion and extortion. Their ROP is the only religion on the planet where violence and threats fall under the rubrick of science. When they suceed in organizing their big centralized fatwa authority, it will be time to issue what we call RICOH warrants.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery
at June 1, 2007 10:31 AM
[T]he U.N. is launching a special initiative to popularize dates. (The edible variety). The article said that it was a crime that not everybody was eating dates, since they are so highly nutritious and can cure AIDS too.
Have the saudis bought the entire U.N. ?
-- Posted by: arjun.sevak
But dates are one of the few GOOD things coming out of the Middle East!
Of course, you don't have to fund jihad to get some. California grows a lot of medjool dates. And be on the lookout for delicious Israeli dates, such as "Jordan Valley" and "King Solomon" brands, especially since these tend to be boycotted by Muslims.
Posted by: Martin at June 1, 2007 11:00 AM
'Mohamed's companions USED TO DRINK HIS URINE, CONSIDERING IT TO BE A BLESSED ACT...'
What a Hoot! Anyone who believes such rubbish must be incapable of rational thought - doesn't say a lot for for their hygiene either. An earlier Poster stole my enquiry as to what happened to the 'Perfect Man's poo - yuk, hardly bears thinking about...
Posted by: Morgane at June 1, 2007 11:16 AM
I was so looking forward to the suckling fatwa. I was afraid that one of the women at work would become so enamored with me that she would want to "Jump my bones"
To prevent this, I knew that I could prevent that by sucking her br..st. I was so looking forward to taking those preventative measures. I would want to work with her for a long time.
Posted by: credit man at June 1, 2007 11:36 AM
I don't know about anyone else but every fatwa I've ever heard of has been a crazy one. Are there really any other kinds out there?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at June 1, 2007 11:57 AM
It wasn't quite clear from the article, though... did they issue a fatwa against crazy fatwas?
And, if so, did the issuer implode over the internal self-contradiction of the entire exercise?
Posted by: profitsbeard at June 1, 2007 12:19 PM
Or, better still, "a crazy fatwa against crazy fatwas."
This offers a hint of the "all Cretans are liars" problem, brought up islamically to date.
But I'm still in favor of elmer-fudding it phonically: "a cwazy fatwa against cwazy fatwas." Somehow, it fits.
Posted by: Hugh at June 1, 2007 1:58 PM
All of these fatwas are affecting our ozone layer here, people. Please refrain, thank you.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 1, 2007 4:50 PM
Let's not forget about camel piss, too! Read on..
Volume 7, Book 71, Number 590:
Narrated Anas:
The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.
What's next as a "perfect" medicine of Pigslam? Goat pee?
Posted by: boneshack at June 2, 2007 9:15 PM
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