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A breakthrough of Islamic tolerance and magnanimity. (Actually, this is nothing new, as al-Sudairy himself notes.) From AFP, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
RIYADH (AFP) - Non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia are free to practise their religion in the ultra-conservative Gulf kingdom but must do so in private, the head of a government watchdog told AFP on Monday."This matter is well known and doesn't require reasserting -- non-Muslims can conduct their religious ceremonies in secret but not in public," said the head of the Saudi Human Rights Commission, Turki al-Sudairy.
International human rights groups say Saudi Arabia, which applies a strict interpretation of Sunni Islam, does not tolerate religious practices by non-Muslims.
Sudairy stressed that allowing non-Muslims to openly practise their faith would conflict with the "religious politics of the kingdom" and "cause a number of problems, the most serious being preaching... in the cradle of Islam".
Posted by Robert at June 5, 2007 8:42 AM
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BUT, Muslims must stop and pray 5 times a day, no matter where they are....as in..on the job, on the sidewalk, in the store, on the train, on the plane, in the bathroom,or anywhere no matter where they are ....and you must allow them to do so.....
Bah Humbug.....
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at June 5, 2007 8:50 AM
Sudairy stressed that allowing non-Muslims to openly practise their faith would conflict with the "religious politics of the kingdom" and "cause a number of problems, the most serious being preaching... in the cradle of Islam".
Israel is the "cradle of Judaism". Ban public Muslim prayer in Israel and then kick up your feet and let the games begin.
Posted by: tuchja at June 5, 2007 8:58 AM
1400 years is a long time to be in your cradle. When - or if- Muslims finally grow up, they could join the rest of the world and (as American moms are wont to say) "use their words" instead of reacting with violence to every real or imaginary threat to their ever so fragile faith and egos.
Posted by: AnneCrockett at June 5, 2007 9:28 AM
Sure non-Muslims can worship the true God in secret, as long as they keep that jizya a comin'! (Do they mind if we think in private, too?)
But I can see why they wouldn't want any preaching in the cradle of Islam. Millions of people might wake up and see what sorry excuses for lives they live and reject them, and then where would they get the human producing machines to make the ummah work?
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at June 5, 2007 9:38 AM
Oh Boy! I can practice my religion in private in Saudi Arabia! Of course, in America I can practice my religion anywhere I want. And there's that "Congress shall make no law.........." thing. Guess I'll stay here.
Posted by: tanstaafl at June 5, 2007 9:40 AM
"preaching...in the cradle of islam..."
...isn't a cradle where one finds big babies?
Prophet Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at June 5, 2007 9:50 AM
I'd like to reply to the Saudi minister by telling him what he should do 'in private' but I'll leave it to you to fill in the blanks. I've had similar messages deleted from this forum.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 5, 2007 10:18 AM
In the U.S. PRIVATE worship should be outlawed by Islamists and english should be required.
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at June 5, 2007 10:29 AM
Congress shall make no law, never ever make a law concerning a religion, even if that religion has scope and effect far beyond the freedom of worship, even if this religion has clear and present destructive action on all others, even if this religion is aimed at and rapidly moving towards the abolition of the Republic and the Congress itself. Congress shall make no law.
Posted by: Excommie at June 5, 2007 11:29 AM
In private? You mean like in a house?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44545
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP90105
http://mysite.verizon.net/rogmios/id30.html
Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 5, 2007 11:33 AM
1400 years is a long time to be in your cradleAnne
This is priceless - looks like a potential entry for the Guiness Book of World Records!
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2007 11:39 AM
If only the West is smart enough to adopt a similar policy which holds that Muslims can also practise their religion but only in private and allows assaults on any imams who preach hate and terrorism; there would not be much peace in the West soon.
Posted by: FreedomSeeker33 at June 5, 2007 11:44 AM
I don't know about this site, but the "sermon" from the Green Lane Mosque is worth reading...
http://mysite.verizon.net/rogmios/id109.html
at June 5, 2007 11:52 AM
"Cradle of islam" is a kind of ironic phrase when you consider the age of mohammed's last wife.
Posted by: Celsius at June 5, 2007 1:07 PM
Compare this intolerance to Biblical times when non-Jews freely brought sacrifices and offerings to the Jerusalem Temple with no expectation that they would need to convert to Judaism.
Posted by: desertdawg29palms at June 5, 2007 1:27 PM
Excommie-
You are correct about that. That's true even for political movements posing as a religion which in this case is merely a symptom of a greater problem.
Islam must be "fixed" at the source.
See Shintoism. See Nazism.
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at June 5, 2007 2:18 PM
As I understand it, a "religious" group can be stripped of it's tax free status based on it's political activity.
IRC Section 501(c)(3): No part of the organization’s purposes or activities may be illegal or violate fundamental public
policy.
http://www.natptax.com/Pub%201828.pdf
There is always a way.
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at June 5, 2007 2:45 PM
"Sudairy stressed that allowing non-Muslims to openly practise their faith would conflict with the "religious politics of the kingdom" and "cause a number of problems, the most serious being preaching... in the cradle of Islam".
...from the cradle to the grave....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 5, 2007 3:46 PM
XRDC,
I don't know how plausible it would be to fix islam at the source. In any case it may be too late by the time the "source fix" works. We can not say what would have happened if there were NSDAP clubs or large and powerful Japaneese diaspora organizations in US or UK in the 1940. There were no (and rightfully so, I may add) KPSS-clubs in US and UK during the Cold War. I find it careless to leave a political organization of such strong hostility towards Western democracies to operate shamelessly under the cover of a faith. Just like we (quite naturally) don't allow human sacrifices for religious purposes, we should not allow the sacrifice of an entire country for the dogma of a foreign false prophet.
Posted by: Excommie at June 5, 2007 3:58 PM
What a breakthrough, you can practice your religion in secret and with your smuggled in bible.
The Saudi government however has a policy that it confiscates and does not return any literature of other faiths. At any port of entry into the country, bibles are confiscated and probably burned. That's acceptable to Muslims, try that with a Quran in any country and see the results.
What a disgrace these people are, there is no decency in this religion and culture, it's only about them.
Posted by: The fanatic at June 5, 2007 4:15 PM
What a breakthrough, you can practice your religion in secret and with your smuggled in bible.
The Saudi government however has a policy that it confiscates and does not return any literature of other faiths. At any port of entry into the country, bibles are confiscated and probably burned. That's acceptable to Muslims, try that with a Quran in any country and see the results.
What a disgrace these people are, there is no decency in this religion and culture, it's only about them.
Posted by: The fanatic at June 5, 2007 4:15 PM
Sorry about the double post, I was sent to the twilight zone here for a moment.
Posted by: The fanatic at June 5, 2007 4:17 PM
"I don't know how plausible it would be to fix islam at the source"
That's why Tancredo gets my vote. At least we know what is not "off the table". I doubt Fred Thompson would demonstrate any Chamberlain tendencies but I haven't followed his career as well.
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at June 5, 2007 4:52 PM
The subtext is:
You are inferior. Your beliefs are unworthy.
Hide. Be quiet. Obey us.
Which merits only scorn and laughter.
Posted by: profitsbeard at June 5, 2007 6:42 PM
The right to worship will be meaningless for non-Muslims living in Saudi Arabia as long as Bibles and other non-Islamic scriptures are banned from the kingdom.
Posted by: Christian at June 6, 2007 12:32 PM
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