I am sad to have to say this, but the EU has evidently become the world's newest totalitarian state. And the European dhimmis have become enslaved to the ruling new totalitarian ideology: Political correctness.

More proof that ideology must NEVER be permitted to become more important than life itself.

But this can probably be undone. The newly-elected Sarkozy can help with this too.

As for the USA-beware! America is next on the hit list by the 'brave new world' type of libs (and the Islamists they are in cahoots with) whether Americans know it or not.

Posted by: pythagoras at June 26, 2007 4:02 PM

The neo-Nazis are confused. They should be rooting for Islam. Love him or hate him, Hitler was a fan of Mohammed and his teachings. He gave this address which, if you think honestly about it, is probably pretty accurate:

When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France and into Central Europe during the eight century when they were driven back at battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic people would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Conquering Arabs because of their racial inferiority would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans would have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Europe.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12021

Posted by: pez at June 26, 2007 4:08 PM

"Mr Uckermann is part of a curious coalition of protest that has united Jewish intellectuals and neo-Nazis. Leading the charge is Ralph Giordano, a prominent Jewish author, who..."

I think that this is not correct. I read at
http://www.politicallyincorrect.de/2007/06/koeln-moscheegegner-erreichen-kundgebungsplatz/

Eine Gruppe Rechtsextremisten, die sich entgegen dem ausdrücklichen Wunsch der Veranstalter mit schwarzen Fahnen der Demonstration anschließen wollte, wurde auf der Vogelsanger Straße festgesetzt.

I translate:
A group of right-wing extremists wanted, against the express wishes of the organisers, to take part in the demonstration with black flags and they were stopped in the Birdsinger street.

One thing is clear about this anti-mosque group I read in other german blogs: they do not want anything to do with neo-fascists.

Posted by: Mahalingam at June 26, 2007 4:08 PM

This article is extremely misleading. Actually, it is a piece of cowshit. I live in Bonn, 20 minutes from Cologne.

the following quote from Harry de Quetteville's article is an absolute LIE:

"Mr Uckermann is part of a curious coalition of protest that has united Jewish intellectuals and neo-Nazis. Leading the charge is Ralph Giordano, a prominent Jewish author, who wrote recently that Germany was witnessing a "clash of two completely different cultures" and questioned whether they could ever be reconciled."

There is no such coalition. Giordano has criticized the building of the Moschee and has received numerous death threats for it. Naturally, the jewish community is against this mega-mosque. There were a number of demos and counter-demos in the last weeks, and yes, the NPD (those neo-nazi bastards) did show up, unannounced. But this does not mean that they have formed a coalition. This would be like reporting that just because a black football star ends up on an airplane with the Cincy chapter of the KKK, they have formed a "curious coalition".

The slant of this article is an absolute piece of shit and a LIE. I was at the main demo and know what really happened!! Just another journalist trying to make hay where there is none.

BOO to Harry de Quetteville for lying and deceiving so blatantly!

Posted by: bonncaruso at June 26, 2007 4:23 PM

I have said that the anti-jihad is one of the most inclusive movements in history. It includes Jews, Christians, Hindus, Jainists, Buddhists, atheists, and many others.

Maybe Harry de Quetteville is trying to make an underhanded attack on the anti-jihad by linking it to neo-Nazis, but you have to admit that any movement that includes Jews and neo-Nazis is pretty mind-bogglingly inclusive.

Posted by: special_guest at June 26, 2007 5:52 PM

Any ovens included in the architectural plans?

(Those minarets would make great flues.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 26, 2007 6:58 PM

Yeah I find this neo nazi thing a little perplexing also. Here's a link to an article that has nothing to do with jihad, bit an eyeopener for those interested in neo nazi sentiments out there. Keep in mind the anti Serb media when reading this article.

http://www.serbianna.com/news/2007/01878.shtml

Posted by: The fanatic at June 26, 2007 7:01 PM

"Minarets that will reach 170 feet", eh? Out of curiosity, just how high is the top of the highest spire of Cologne Cathedral? This looks to me like a typical piece of blatant Muslim one-upmanship (precisely the same as the monster mosque that they are planning in London in a grossly obvious attempt to upstage St Paul's Cathedral).

Calling all German posters...can't you arrange for an ecclesiastical SWAT team to conduct an all-day all-night ringing of the bells of the great Cologne Cathedral, on the day this mosque is opened. Raise the alarm! And circulate to the City Fathers of Cologne, copies of the various Rules for Dhimmis as unearthed by Bat Ye'or's researches - highlighting the fact that non-Muslims in Muslim lands were NOT PERMITTED TO BUILD HOUSES OR CHURCHES HIGHER THAN ANYTHING BUILT BY A MUSLIM. Ergo: every time Muslims set out to build a great big mosque in a western city, with minarets overtopping neighbouring churches, etc., it is an attempt to assert Domination.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 26, 2007 7:08 PM

Dumbledoresarmy; "This looks to me like a typical piece of blatant muslim one-upmanship." I'd rather look at it as one-downmanship. Those minarets would be very easy to circumcize.

Posted by: mustang65 at June 26, 2007 8:02 PM

dumbledoresarmy,

157 m tall

the minerettes would be only about 60 meters, so this doesn't look like a problem.

Posted by: npabga at June 26, 2007 8:26 PM

Profitsbeard all of your anti-Islamic remark like banning moslim from liveing in America only show how uneductrate you are and I cannot really hold you responsive for that as the Western based eductration system in America never taught Islamic History or Islamic Culture in Public School. Now they cannot treach the kid in public school reading, writeing, math and science anymore. While our Islamist Svhool is treaching moslim kid reading,writeing,math and sciences along side our religious value in Islam. Next year they will add middle grades to our little school.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam at June 27, 2007 2:01 AM

Cathedral is 515 ft high.

If they want to worship Satan in the guise of Allah then they should bog off back to an Islamic country and do it there. We in the europe don't want them or their so called religion here!!!

Posted by: Demvaril at June 27, 2007 5:21 AM

DefenderofIslam,

Presumably in America the emphasis is more on American history and culture than on Islamic history and culture. You see, the clue is in the name of the country.

But I look forward to hearing about an Islamic country's moon mission - although they'll have been beaten to it by 38 years by those "uneductrate" Americans.

Posted by: watling at June 27, 2007 7:57 AM

Nazis? A curious claim considering that Iran changed it's name at the behest of Adolf Hitler and that they still use the Nazi salute (or at least some their "women" do) or the SS Hanscha division who were the muslim gestapo. Another example of islamic propoganda, attempting to hide their nazi ideology by shouting as loud as they can about others' nazi ideology.

Why do they lie? OH I forgot, it's because they can't stand an honest debate, they know they lose every time.

Wake up and smell the sharia.

Posted by: DaveMate at June 27, 2007 1:07 PM

Harry de Quetteville was, until quite recently, the Sunday Telegraph's correspondent in Israel. Reading his reports, it always seemed to me that Israelis were cast in a bad light. No surprise here. Hier hat's einen schlechten Geruch. Ein Koelsch, wenn es geht, und mach' schnell!

Posted by: max at June 27, 2007 1:29 PM

hey Paul

"While our Islamist Svhool is treaching moslim kid reading,writeing,math and sciences along side our religious value in Islam. Next year they will add middle grades to our little school."

Islamic schools teach the values of Jihad, the techniques of becoming a suicide bomber, and the principles of mine laying, ambush tactics, beheading techniques, torture techniques, and other miscellaneous military tactics all the things that are important in a Muslims life...and they even teach the children it is ok to do so because the Qur'an tells tell so....It is no surprise the Muslim world is stuck in the 7th century....

Islam is for losers....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 27, 2007 1:46 PM

Dear npabga, Granny Weatherwax (love your nom de plume!), and demvaril - thanks for the extra information. I hadn't had time to do a google check re height of topmost spire of Koln Cathedral, versus projected height of future mosque or its minarets. As you say, npabga, in this particular instance it seems that the mosque won't match the cathedral. Let us be thankful for that, at least.

Might be useful in future, when subjects like this come up, as I am sure they will, to give the comparative heights in both metric and 'imperial' - metres and feet. E.g. "Cathedral, highest point = metres, x feet; highest point of mosque = x metres/ x feet."

Shoutout to the inimitable Hugh Fitzgerald: dear Hugh - on various occasions on this site you have mentioned a book that analyses Islamic architecture as being governed by the principle of a. military thinking and b. the need to make a massive display of power. I think perhaps you might quote at length some of the more interesting passages, and do please let us know whether this book is currently in print and where it may be found. I for one would very much like to read it.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 27, 2007 5:41 PM

Acutally the views expressed in these comment section ARE mainstream in America and elsewhere in the west its just the media loooooooves to ignore the middle class mainstream and pretend they dont matter and that they are the fringe not the gay liberal atheistic promuslim useful idiots in the west. Germany refuses to allow filming of the new Tom Cruise movie in its borders because Cruise is a scientologist and Germany (correctly) consdiers scientology a money making scheme cult not a real religion. Soon western nations will be forced by the anger and outrage of its own infidel citizens to outlaw Islam like Germany does with scientology. Nazism is also outlawed in many nations , soon Islam will be openly condemned as the political nazi-like cult it in fact is and muslims will be forced out. DefendrIslam is an obvious illiterate who fails to understand that people on here who know more about Islam than many muslims do (most muslims who arent arabs dont read translations of the koran to understand it but dumbly recite it in arabic because the reading it without understanding is allowed in their cult). Also if islamic history were taught in school it would be the real history of it as an aggresive intolerant force of satanic hate not the lie that muslims believe.
hmm I also think having a huge number of spelling and syntax errors in your defense of islamic education shows what an idiot you are!

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at June 27, 2007 10:28 PM

Actually the views expressed in these comment section ARE mainstream in America and elsewhere in the west its just the media loooooooves to ignore the middle class mainstream and pretend they dont matter and that they are the fringe not the gay liberal atheistic pro-muslim useful idiots in the west. Germany refuses to allow filming of the new Tom Cruise movie in its borders because Cruise is a scientologist and Germany (correctly) considers scientology a money making scheme cult not a real religion. Soon western nations will be forced by the anger and outrage of its own infidel citizens to outlaw Islam like Germany does with scientology. Nazism is also outlawed in many nations, soon Islam will be openly condemned as the political nazi-like cult it in fact is and muslims will be forced out. DefendrIslam is an obvious illiterate who fails to understand that people on here know more about Islam than many muslims do (most muslims who arent arabs dont read translations of the koran to understand it but dumbly recite it in arabic because the reading it without understanding is allowed in their cult). Also if islamic history were taught in school it would be the real history of it as an aggresive intolerant force of satanic hate not the lie that muslims believe.
hmm I also think having a huge number of spelling and syntax errors in your defense of islamic education shows what an idiot you are!

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at June 27, 2007 10:31 PM

Actually the views expressed in these comment section ARE mainstream in America and elsewhere in the west its just the media loooooooves to ignore the middle class mainstream and pretend they dont matter and that they are the fringe not the gay liberal atheistic pro-muslim useful idiots in the west. Germany refuses to allow filming of the new Tom Cruise movie in its borders because Cruise is a scientologist and Germany (correctly) considers scientology a money making scheme cult not a real religion. Soon western nations will be forced by the anger and outrage of its own infidel citizens to outlaw Islam like Germany does with scientology. Nazism is also outlawed in many nations, soon Islam will be openly condemned as the political nazi-like cult it in fact is and muslims will be forced out. DefendrIslam is an obvious illiterate who fails to understand that people on here know more about Islam than many muslims do (most muslims who arent arabs dont read translations of the koran to understand it but dumbly recite it in arabic because the reading it without understanding is allowed in their cult). Also if islamic history were taught in school it would be the real history of it as an aggresive intolerant force of satanic hate not the lie that muslims believe.
hmm I also think having a huge number of spelling and syntax errors in your defense of islamic education shows what an idiot you are!

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at June 27, 2007 10:32 PM

"Muslims have been here for 40 years, yet people are praying in back rooms," said Seyda Can, an Islamic theologian at the Turkish Islamic Union in Cologne.

Turks were brought to Germany as "Guest Workers". They were supposed to work, earn some money and go home and live like kings. So, you invite someone to your home to do some renovation, they move in, they start making demands on you and they insist on building in your backyard.

Italians, Greeks, Yugoslavs all came to Germany in the past 40 years as "Guest Workers", they aren't trying to take over the country.

Obviously, this touches upon our Immigration debate. Beware, "Guest Workers" are forever. Don't believe anything else.

Posted by: Jabba the Tutt at June 28, 2007 12:14 AM

Only six years ago, every islamistic hardliner could walk to a talkshow on german TV and claim that Islam means tolerance and no one dared to object.
Nowadays people talk about Islamization, failed muslimic integration, the building of mosques, islamic suprematism and so on.
Things are changing gradually. Multiculturalists and muslims officials are in the defense.

Time will show if this change comes too late.

Posted by: lebowski at June 28, 2007 4:49 AM

I've been following this story via the internet since I live in New York City.

I am a German and I tell you that the German MSM and the major political parties are calling ANYONE [unless he's unassailable like Ralph Girodano, for example] who opposes this planned megamosk a Nazi or a Neonazi.

Fact is that many Neonazis actually support the islamists in Germany.

Fact is also that Neonazis and other Nazis will show up at such demonstrations to get their share of the publicity even when they are being expressly asked to STAY AWAY from usurping such an urgent local issue as a megamosk being built with ABSOLUTELY NO community input.

Germany doesn't have Community Boards like we have here in NYC and it's rather easy for local POLOticians and bureaucrats to slide things through without too much input from the "Stimmvieh".. the 'vote-cattle'.

I would also like to suggest that EVEN IF Neonazis protest a megamosk that doesn't automatically discredit the MAJORITY of the protesters nor does it invalidate their objections.

The issue of Neonazis glomming on to sensitive National topics has been an ongoing one - especially in Germany.

And they are giving the MSM a free license to discredit EACH and EVERONE who simply shows up to exercise their democratic RIGHTS to protest peacefully and make their concerns known.

The headline whould have read.. Many Cologne Citizens of all political persuasions are joined in peaceful protest by Jewish Citizens to express their opposition to a planned megamosk in Cologne.

And then a sub-header should read: A small group of uninvited Neonazis joining the protest are denounced as unwelcome demonstration-crashers.

And it should be known that they built a megamosk in Berlin and they made the prayer rockets [minarets] 7 Meters higher than planned and given permit to and that it is feared the same pattern will continue unchecked.

The German populace is slowly catching on to islamic Triumphalism and they're not having it.

That does NOT make them Nazis.

Thank you.
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Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 28, 2007 4:59 AM

special_guest wrote:

"Maybe Harry de Quetteville is trying to make an underhanded attack on the anti-jihad by linking it to neo-Nazis, but you have to admit that any movement that includes Jews and neo-Nazis is pretty mind-bogglingly inclusive."

is very possible. Still doesn't make the presence of the jewish community on one end of a demo and those NAZI pigs on the other a coalition. You have to understand how the NPD (and their affiliates, like Pro-Köln) flirt on the outer edges of the law in order to still get to participate in demos, while everyone in Germany knows full well what they stand for. But an anti-semite like de Quetteville can help feed the new lie of "Zionism=Nazism" by making such outlandish claims and therefore, spreading blatant lies.

Don't get me wrong. I am dead-det against the building of yet another house of hate in Köln. The islamic community will stoop at nothing in order to achieve it's goals, this is just another case.

Another note for us americans, for americans who are not so familiar with Germany: Köln is often called the "Italy" of Germany - laid back, they live live practically according to improvisation. The Kölner have a saying in their dialect: "e kut wie et kut" (es kommt wie es kommt) - what will happen, will happen. So, the fact that so many in Köln of all places took to the streets shows indeed how many germans are starting to wake up and not like the ongoing islamification of their country. I doubt the germans will take it lying down, as the british are obviously doing.

No to the new mosque in Köln!!!

Posted by: bonncaruso at June 28, 2007 5:13 AM

Muslims have been here for 40 years, yet people are praying in back rooms," said Seyda Can

Oh well where do Christians and other religious people pray in Saudi arabia and all the other islamic hell holes?

Saudi Arabia not so long ago re assured "the other" religions they could still practice thier faiths in thier homes,alone,no groups.Like it was a gracious allowance.

Meanwhile we are villains for not allowing a mosque on every street corner.

Where are those peoples rights?

40 yrs big deal the other faiths have been under the devil islams control and banned from thier beliefs for centuries.Cry me a freaking river,Boo Hoo.

I am so sick of this BS.

I tell you i can see where all this BS is leading.I can see we are on our own folks.So be it.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at June 28, 2007 10:29 PM