OK, where are the RABID, foaming at the mouth, man hating FEMINISTS ( with hairy legs)?? They blame the eeeeeeevil West for everything: racism, colonialism ,imperialism, global warming, bad hair days, etc. But we don't hear a peep out of them concerning Female Genital Mutilation. I guess if FGM is being done to third world girls by third world men then that is OK because "we have to respect other cultures."
Well, I say: Horseshit.
I do NOT respect any third world SHIT culture that
mutilates little girls.
The question is: why do our stupid shit politicians import these stone age savages by the millions into our countries??

Posted by: One_of_the_last_few_Patriots_left at July 11, 2007 1:44 AM

".......police are offering a $40,000 reward for information leading to Britain's first prosecution for female genital mutilation......."

Yeah, lots-a-luck getting members of the Ummah to squeal on each other to you unclean kuffar infidel dogs.

Then again, some of these musulmen would sell their own mothers for $5 and laugh about what a good deal they had gotten, so who knows?

Posted by: One_of_the_last_few_Patriots_left at July 11, 2007 1:51 AM

Sorry but how is this news?

10 YEARS AGO the BBC’s Radio news stated there were 3000 cases a year reported by the Health Service. Doctors had been told to treat these "sympathetically". That is PC speak for clean up the mess and shut up.

BTW this has not been mentioned on the MSM in Britain yet and this is the first I have heard about the reward for reporting it. Is a doctor going to report a patient? Will those doing it turn themselves or their families in? The reward angle is new in Britain and sounds like this governments usual trick of seeming to do something while actually doing nothing.

Posted by: Fred at July 11, 2007 4:07 AM

I'm wondering how much of this mutilation is occurring in the U.S. We have a large population of primitive Muslims in places like Michigan and Minnesota. It is irrational to expect that Muslims are not committing mayhem on their daughters here as well.

The sheer evil of this religious practice is difficult to comprehend, except for those who understand that the "prophet" sanctifying it was a serial rapist, child molester, and gleeful murderer of women as well. It is specifically designed, as Muslims will frankly and proudly admit, to reduce or eliminate entirely any pleasure a woman can gain from sexual intercourse -- something that she is required to perform, on demand and at risk of being cursed by "angels", as the "tilth" of her owner.

Islam = inhuman torture.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at July 11, 2007 4:34 AM

The Founder of Islam forbid the practice of FC on muslim woman read than good book on Islamist religish practice. Some Muslim woman practice some old traditson that Islam forbid. Christian and pagon woman in that part of the world do that to they daughter as well and you racist donot seem to mention that I wonder why the answer why is that you are hateful bigot.

Posted by: DefenderofIslam at July 11, 2007 5:52 AM

The founder of Islam was a pedophile and a slave holder.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 11, 2007 6:02 AM

The founder of Islam did have sex with a child though didn't he, personally beheaded prisoners and was generally a bit of a nutter who perfected that art of lying.

What a nice chap.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 6:05 AM

Gezza when I confront these people who defend Islam, I tell them Mo is closer to OBL than Jesus. Mo had poets assassinated for "offending" him. Sound familar? Can anyone say "Rushdie"? Cartoon riots?

Posted by: Elric66 at July 11, 2007 6:10 AM

I have to agree Elric66, in fact if Mo was around today he would be indistinguishable from OBL - in other words a terrorist.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 6:13 AM

Thats why I refuse to call the jihadist "radical" Muslims. They are the norm that practice Islam that Mo taught and lived by.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 11, 2007 6:17 AM

It certainly does appear that the true moderate Muslims are the ones who don't practice or the ones who don't take their religion seriously.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 6:20 AM

Or don't really know what Islam is about.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 11, 2007 6:24 AM

Hey Paul,

wrong again,

"The Founder of Islam forbid the practice of FC on muslim woman

Posted by: DefenderofIslam"

"A saying of Muhammad... states that "a woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, 'Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband....'

Your buddy Mo, did not forbid the practice of FC, he allowed it saying "do not cut severely"....of course his followers had trouble defining "severely"...and the practice continues today...granted, some non Muslims perform this unnecessary surgery...but 99% of the FC is performed by Muslims....

Islam is for losers.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 11, 2007 6:25 AM

This is going on in my Metro area at an alarming rate. No one will talk - not the police, not the paramedics, not the hospital workers - because they're afraid of the repercussions - losing their pensions or their lives. muslim doctors are performing these now all over to keep it hidden and so the girls don't have to go to a hospital. It's against the law here but no one will talk. What can I do? This is haunting me. We have a huge Somali population here. guess where this is? Wait for it . . .

MINNESOTA

Posted by: CGW at July 11, 2007 6:30 AM

"The countries that practice FGC the most are Somalia, followed by Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, and Mali. Among ethnic Somali women, infibulation is traditional and nearly universal. In the Arab peninsula, Sunna circumcision is usually performed, especially among Arabs (ethnic groups of African descent are more likely to prefer infibulation)....

Whilst FGC is widely practiced out in the open by African Muslims and Ethiopians and Eritreans of all faiths, it is practiced in secrecy in some parts of the Middle East. The practice occurs particularly in northern Saudi Arabia, southern Jordan, and Iraq, and there is also circumstantial evidence to suggest it is present in Syria, western Iran and southern Turkey..... In the United Arab Emirates and also Saudi Arabia, it is practiced mainly among foreign workers from East Africa and the Nile Valley..."

....What do most of these places have in common.....Islam......

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 11, 2007 6:42 AM

Fred says "BTW this has not been mentioned on the MSM in Britain yet and this is the first I have heard about the reward for reporting it"

1 The BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6291218.stm and http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6287926.stm yesterday.

2 The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2123435,00.html

3 The Scotsman http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=1077762007

But it doesn't appear to be in The Sun or the Daily Mail.

Posted by: 1666 at July 11, 2007 6:44 AM

And more "Diversity" with your morning cuppa.

Item 1

OSLO, June 29 (Reuters) - Norway took steps on Friday to crack down on circumcision of girls by barring families from travelling abroad if officials suspect they plan to have the procedure done outside the country.

The intervention followed reports in Norwegian media that at least 185 girls from Norway -- daughters of immigrants -- had their genitals cut in just one village in Somalia. The government said it would refuse passports to families suspected of sending girls abroad to have the procedure carried out. Authorities can also forbid a family from travelling if they suspect the purpose is female circumcision, officials said.

Item 2

Many women who seek hymen-repair surgery do so under threat of death if family members in religious fundamentalist households find out they are not virgins. Now, the U.S. doctors who help them are also being intimidated.

LOS ANGELES (WOMENSENEWS)--Some doctors perform these specialized surgeries on women late at night when there's no one else in the waiting room.

The patients are most often women of Middle Eastern descent, some with origins from countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia. They frequently give false names and pay in cash.

They arrive alone, faces hidden, under elaborate hats, wigs, scarves and sunglasses, and afraid, say doctors.

Item 3

Spanish doctors draw up advice on ethics of virginity certificates Xavier Bosch Barcelona

Concerns that requests from Muslim immigrants for medical certificates of virginity could soon become common have led the conservative party Partido Popular to propose a new law in the parliament of Andalucia.

The party wants Andalucia's health department to warn doctors that virginity certificates are an invasion of a patient�s privacy and that "doctors must preserve [such privacy] as guaranteed by the Spanish constitution."

So this what is going to happen in Britain and the West with increasing frequency. Doctors in Western countries, will need to perform “hymenoplasties” and being asked to issue lawful "certificates of virginity", just so that we can be multicultural and celebrate diversity.

America expatriate has more details, if you can stand it at this hour of the morning.

http://laotze.blogspot.com/

Posted by: DP111 at July 11, 2007 6:52 AM

Female circumcision? Female castration is more like it. Defenderofislam has failed miserably once again to defend his religion's barbaric, backward practices. Where is the proof this was ever done in a Christian religion? There is none! More lies from the Muslims. The truth is not in them because they are of their father, Satan, the father of all lies.

Posted by: Timur at July 11, 2007 6:55 AM

I have to agree Elric66, in fact if Mo was around today he would be indistinguishable from OBL - in other words a terrorist.
Posted by: Geeza

OBL would consider that the highest compliment.

Posted by: DP111 at July 11, 2007 6:57 AM

1666

Thanks, but it is a new item and I missed the BBC report and as for the papers, I do not read any of them, not even the Sun or the Daily Mail. BTW, the calculated insult is noted.

For the benefit of JW posters worldwide UK liberals consider the Sun and Daily Mail the only reading of sex crazed rednecks and racists.

My main point stands. BBC Radio 4 morning news reported "3000 cases a year coming to the attention of the health Authorities" about 10 years ago and stated that doctors had been told to treat these cases "sympathetically". There was no great outcry then and I assumed the same was happening now.

Lets see how it pans out in the next few months?

Posted by: Fred at July 11, 2007 7:36 AM

BRUSSELS DEMO 2007

Demonstration outside the European Parliament.

September 11th 2007.

Europeans are saying “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!” “NO SHARIA HERE!”

So join the call. All European nations must be represented.

SO, IF YOU LOVE FREEDOM,

IF YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY,

- BE THERE!!

The organisers of the demonstration are:
SIAD (Denmark) sioe@siad.dk

No Sharia Here (England) sioe.nsh@btinternet.com

We have contact with Akte-islam in Germany. They are organizing the german participation: http://akte-islam.de/1.html

We are encouraging others to form similar groups in their own countries.

We seek people/organisations from all other european countries who will organize participation from their own country. We need bloggers to help us spread the word. We have to start now.
For questions or coordination between countries contact SIAD or No Sharia Here.

STOP ISLAMISATION OF EUROPE:
ORIGINS:

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) is an alliance of people across Europe with the single aim of preventing Islam becoming a dominant political force in Europe.
It originated with the joining of SIAD, a political party dedicated to stopping the Islamisation of Denmark, with a loose association of people in England whose rallying cry is “No Sharia Here” and who want to maintain English law and stop the creeping growth of sharia law in England.

SIOE is growing in Europe with the amalgamation of similarly minded groups.

Posted by: BlowHammed at July 11, 2007 8:48 AM

exsgtbrown:

"A saying of Muhammad... states that "a woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, 'Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband....'"

Thanks for beating me to this one! :)

Posted by: Godefroi at July 11, 2007 8:48 AM

The article says:

"It is practiced by Muslims and Christians alike, deeply rooted in the Nile Valley region and parts of sub-Saharan African, and is also done in Yemen and Oman. Through migration, the practice has spread to Western countries like Britain."

but exsgtbrown says:

Your buddy Mo, did not forbid the practice of FC, he allowed it saying "do not cut severely"....of course his followers had trouble defining "severely"...and the practice continues today...granted, some non Muslims perform this unnecessary surgery...but 99% of the FC is performed by Muslims....

Islam is for losers.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown
________

I would like to write a letter to the editor about the damge done when PC crap is inserted into this article. It reads as if the practice is spread equally between the 2 groups. I'd like to prove them wrong. Sgt Brown, I suspect your version is correct. Do you have any links to sites that support the 99% (or close to it) version?

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at July 11, 2007 8:55 AM

Almost all Egyptian women have this performed on them.

Posted by: CGW at July 11, 2007 9:02 AM

Can ANYONE give me advice on what to do? I need my JW/DW posse to help me - this is serious.

Posted by: CGW at July 11, 2007 9:03 AM

"Is a doctor going to report a patient? "

considering how many doctors in the UK are Muslim I would say the chances of a doctor reporting a case of FGM are as likely as that of a camel passing through the eye of a needle

Posted by: pak152 at July 11, 2007 9:03 AM

Timur said

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017341.php#c421041

They are more than barbaric, they are utterly inhuman. I mean, we, The Infidels, take great pains to ensure that our kids grow up right, and we teach them that cruelty is inhuman. muslims make their kids saw off the heads of goats/sheep/camels/cows. The cult called islam progresses.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 11, 2007 9:54 AM

Ha-Ha, "defender of Islam" - Guess what? You're a racist and a hateful bigot, just like your false prophet founder, Muhammed!

Posted by: darcy at July 11, 2007 9:58 AM

I have to agree Elric66, in fact if Mo was around today he would be indistinguishable from OBL - in other words a terrorist.
Posted by: Geeza

OBL would consider that the highest compliment.

Posted by: DP111

Exactly DP111, and that is the naked truth of Islam, this is the man all Muslims aspire to emulate so in a sense OBL has hijacked feck all he is doing what the perfect person (in Islam) directed him to do!

----> Create terror, misery and spread the Islamic message far and wide.

Just like OBL and his band of merry muppets!

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 10:11 AM

Muhammad liked his very young girls high and tight. . .

The most often mentioned narration reports a debate between Muhammed and Um Habibah (or Um ‘Atiyyah). This woman, known as an exciser of female slaves, was one of a group of women who had immigrated with Muhammed. Having seen her, Muhammad asked her if she kept practicing her profession. She answered affirmatively, adding: "unless it is forbidden, and you order me to stop doing it." Muhammed replied: "Yes, it is allowed. Come closer so I can teach you: if you cut, do not overdo it, because it brings more radiance to the face, and it is more pleasant for the husband."

Abu Sahlieh further cited Muhammad as saying, "Circumcision is a sunna (tradition) for the men and makruma (honorable deed) for the women."

[ Sami A. Aldeeb Abu Sahlieh, "To Mutilate in the Name of Jehovah or Allah: Legitimization of Male and Female Circumcision," Medicine and Law, July 1994, pp. 575-622.]

From Ali Sina's book "Understanding Muhammad, A Psychobiography of Allah's Prophet", [Mo married Kay when he was 25 and she was 40] . . .

"Why did Muhammad not take other wives when Kahadijah was still alive? Because, he was living off her money and in her house."

"There is no report that Muhammad ever worked after marrying Khadijah"

"After the death of Khadijah, Muhammad never fuond another co-dependant to take care of his emotional needs like she did. Instead, he sought fulfillment by becoming a sexual butterfly. Only a a month after his wife's death, Muhammad convinced his loyal friend and follower, Abu Bakr, to betroth to him his 6-year old daughter, Aisha. Ab Bakr was shocked. He tried to dissuade him, saying "but we are brothers." Muhammad reassured him they were only brothers in faith and that his marriage to that little child is not haram.

He further told him that she was shown to him twice in dreams; in which he saw an angel carrying the little Aisha in a silken piece of cloth. "I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen."

Now Abu Bakr was left with the option of leaving Muhammad, for whom he had made so many sacrifices, denounce him, call him a liar and go bnack to his people, acknowledging he had been a fool , or do whatever Muhammad asked him. This is often the difficult choice the cultists must make. They are traped and have given up so much to follow their guru; going back is more painful than submitting to the whims and caprices of their leader. Abu Baker pleaded with Muhammad to wait three more years before consummating the marriage. Muhammad agreed, but meanwhile he married Sauda a few days later.

Muhammad created a harem with more than a score of women. He tried to compensate the loss of his sugar mommy with an abundance of younger women. He kept adding to the collection of his wives and concubines but none could meet his childish needs the way Khadijah did. He needed a mother to take care of his inner child, someting his teenage wives could hardly do for a man who could be their grandfather.

Ali Sina's book will be republished soon (hopefully) and I strongly encourage reading it!

Posted by: justamomof4 at July 11, 2007 10:23 AM

So Muslim families in England, Norway, etc., are going back to the old country to get their daughters mutilated ... but aren't they "refugees" from their former homelands? Didn't they flee from Somalia, etc., out of fear of persecution or even death?

So I'm not sure I understand why they are traveling back there, like ordinary tourists on holidays? I thought they were afraid, so afraid of those places that they had to flee, at great risk. If it's safe enough to go back for a holiday, then surely it's safe enough for them to go back. Permanently.

Posted by: feralee at July 11, 2007 10:43 AM

I have to agree Elric66, in fact if Mo was around today he would be indistinguishable from OBL - in other words a terrorist./i>

He'd be indistinguishable from Charles Manson, and David Koresh too. Same sort of 'charm' that attracted the dregs of society to him, and to do the most vile things at his behest.

Posted by: feralee at July 11, 2007 10:49 AM

The idea that you can import millions of people from another culture and then assume that the social pathologies inherent in that culture won't be imported with them...is the worst kind of naivety.

Posted by: Cornelius at July 11, 2007 10:59 AM

The world needs TKE.

Total Koran Excising.

Anyone who would take a knife to a girl to perform a non-medical mutilation is a lunatic and a monster.

Mohammad's contempt for women leads to it.

Any religion that threatens to kill you if you leave is a death cult and an abomination.

Founded by a pedophile slaveholding warlord.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 11, 2007 11:34 AM

CGW:

Assuming you have evidence for your claims, I suggest you report specific parents, by name, for child abuse with the local Child Protective Services there in your area. I suggest you also report this form of severe child abuse to the police, naming girls who you have reason to believe have had this horrible mutilation done on them and giving your reasons.

Child Protective Services will, and must, investigate anonymous tips, so they will protect your identity. On the other hand, they are very inconsistent in how vigorously they investigate. Sometimes they will seriously invade innocent families, other times they won't do enough where real abuse is going on. It's pretty much a roll of the dice as to how much good it does. But if you name enough specific families, there's a hope that CPS will investigate enough of them to catch some of them.

If you know of doctors who are doing this, report them by name to everyone you can think of--their licensing boards, the police, and CPS. If you have enough evidence to defend against a charge of libel, go public and put the names of the doctors or "midwives" or whatever on the Internet, report them to the press.

Above all, if you have information that parents are going to do this to a little girl, report that _fast_ and be very aggressive in trying to get it prevented. I don't think it's illegal in the U.S. (though it shd. be) to take them abroad for it, but it certainly would be illegal to do it here, just as plain child abuse. If some little girl is talking at school to your child about a "party" happening soon where she will "become a woman," that's the sign. Try to get it prevented by making a big stink then.

Posted by: Lydia at July 11, 2007 11:40 AM

"It certainly does appear that the true moderate Muslims are the ones who don't practice or the ones who don't take their religion seriously."

Posted by: Geeza

I disagree.
The Ummah is a military organization dedicated to global conquest.
The "moderate" Muslims act like the support troops in any army, even if they obey the infidel's laws as they practice da'wa and taqiyya.
Someone has to raise large families and do the boring stuff like feeding and clothing the next generation of Allah's army.
Someone has to provide the violent jihadists with food and clothing. Someone has to raise the terrorists who will one day aspire to victory through bloody terror.
Every Muslim mother raising a large family is just as much a jihadist as the terrorist blowing people up; she is just performing a different but very essential function for the Ummah.
Same goes for the "moderate" Muslim father.

The really creepy thing about Islam is that it can be spread by Muslims who might themselves be ignorant of the hateful message of Islamic jihad( those Muslims who are reviled by jihadists as bad Muslims and described by infidels as true moderates).
When these "moderate" Muslims have kids and raise them as Muslims who will one day read the Qur'an and visit a mosque, the meme of Islamic jihad can return from the dead, like some dormant genetic disease, in later generations.

Posted by: Mike_W at July 11, 2007 11:50 AM

"Instead, he sought fulfillment by becoming a sexual butterfly."
from above post

Old Mo f-cked like butterfly
Stung like a bee

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at July 11, 2007 12:14 PM

feralee posted: So I'm not sure I understand why they are traveling back there, like ordinary tourists on holidays?

First, they can now afford to travel by air, as they have the Kuffar's benefit Jizya. Second, when they are back, they are lorded over, as they have money, and can now sponsor some other "relative".

Posted by: DP111 at July 11, 2007 12:22 PM

Is it just my imagination, or is the silence of feminists in the west regardsing this subject profound?

Posted by: MP at July 11, 2007 12:25 PM

The feminists will never speak up about this. Feminists are just another victim group in the west, and victim groups never attack other victim groups.

Unless some white hetrosexual christian men start performing FGM then you'll never hear from the feminists.

It's all about the left gaining political power, the the left isn't going to start eating thier own just for the sake of some little girls.

Posted by: GuitarBob at July 11, 2007 12:39 PM

Mike_W

Actually I agree with you on how these ignorant Muslims increase the pool of suceptable minds to Islam, through breeding, and how the whole ummah army is organised but what I'm saying is that this is what we can realistically expect 'moderate' Muslims to be.
i.e. Not religious or not totally religiously aware of their faith - not take it seriously.

However they can have children who can become aware, this is the danger, that is the faith is the danger and it all goes back to that, the faith, Islam and the teaching of Jihad and what Mohammed taught.

One thing is certain we will never convince them their religion is wrong, they are taught we are liars so what are we left with?

I see our options are no different to our ancestors options.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 2:34 PM

We need to have laws passed in the West making it mandatory for doctors and all medical personnel to report FGM, just like it is mandatory that they report child abuse. This IS CHILD ABUSE, ISN'T IT? That wouldn't stop it completely because many girls never see a doctor, but it would help back up the laws making FGM illegal. Maybe if doctors knew the staff might report it they would be more forthcoming.

But since this is a perverted islamic religious practice and islam must be respected and protected above all other cultures and religions, the sad fact is that the putative "authorities" don't really give a damn what muslims do to their prisoner/slave daughters. Islam is part of the beautiful tapestry of diversity that so enriches our lives and that we are supposed to "celebrate" endlessly. The only thing I could ever celebrate about islam would be its funeral pyre. Watching millions of qur'ans going up in smoke would be an occasion to celebrate indeed.

Posted by: Susanp at July 11, 2007 2:36 PM

Many times it is the women themselves that do it to others of their own sex - mutilation. This is why I don't find muslim women to be as 'innocent' as some might think they are. They know what they are doing, the pain, and the after affects - and they do it anyway.

Just as they take the money, the thoughts of rewards of heaven, etc when their children blow themselves up. They think they are one of the many that the martyr will say can also be given access to heaven. The women dance and ulalate after their own blow themselves up - and this is why. I don't believe their propaganda that they are doing this to 'save face', or any other such nonsense.

Posted by: R_not at July 11, 2007 2:38 PM

R_not unfortunately what they do they think is right.

Brainwashing.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 2:56 PM

I completely agree that this horrible practice just is child abuse. Do we know for a fact that doctors in the U.S. don't report it? Obviously, they, the child protective services, and the prosecutor's offices, should treat it very matter-of-factly _as_ severe child abuse. The parents should be prosecuted if they were parties to it. Has this never been tried? I know that in Colorado a man was convicted, but that was under a special law against FGM. It should be possible for them simply to be prosecuted as accessories for inflicting grievous bodily harm. That should be a matter of course.

Also, the child should receive immediate treatment if she has been subjected to infibulation. The passage should be opened so that she can urinate naturally and so that, when she is older, she will not have dangers of toxicity both from retained urine and from retained menstrual blood, and so that she will be able to give birth normally. This sort of reconstructive surgery can be done. Of course it doesn't restore her normal sexual feelings, but it prevents severe long-term health problems from the sewing up of the vagina.

Posted by: Lydia at July 11, 2007 3:19 PM

I see our options are no different to our ancestors options.

Posted by: Geeza

Exactly.

We, the inheritors of a fine Western Civilization, have forgotten 1400 years of bloody history at the hands of Islamic jihad; one just has to look at a map of the World and outline the Islamic countries to see the evidence.

There must be a lot of spinning going in the graves of: Winston Churchill; John Quincy Adams; John Wesley; Hilaire Belloc; William Eaton(US Consul to Tunis); Andre Servier; Theodore Roosevelt and many other of our better informed and wiser ancestors, God bless 'em.

Posted by: Mike_W at July 11, 2007 3:21 PM

Mike_W yes we have forgotten the past or should that be we have been told a different past through revising history in the guise of political correctness?

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 3:39 PM

MP: "Is it just my imagination, or is the silence of feminists in the west regarding this subject profound?

RESPONSE: Not just this subject, but Islamic misogyny, polygamy and gender-discrimination...all scrupulously avoided by the mainstream feminists, who have abdicated their role as defenders of women in order to align themselves with the multicultural Left. Because Islam is not a Western construct, in the eyes of the feminists, it is benign.

Posted by: Cornelius at July 11, 2007 3:45 PM

"Do we know for a fact that doctors in the U.S. don't report it?
Posted by: Lydia"

....if the doctor is Muslim, probably not....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 11, 2007 4:13 PM

MP: "Is it just my imagination, or is the silence of feminists in the west regarding this subject profound?

So much so that the silence is deafening. My wife was mildly sympathetic to feminism but when she saw the way they ignored the treatment of minority women in the UK she had only contempt for them.

The prize must go to the veteran Norwegian feminist who said, "Women must learn that in a multi-cultural society they cannot dress in any way they please". Not long ago their anti-rape campaigners in Britain were chanting "Whatever we wear, wherever we go yes means yes and no means no!"

Posted by: Fred at July 11, 2007 4:48 PM

it occurs to me, that it might not be our place to decide what these people want to do with their bodies

and, if FGM is against British law,

if we find someone, born in Britain, who has been genitally mutilated, her parents should be jailed for battery and torture

that would quickly stop the practice or make these people move back to the societies where this torture is encouraged

otherwise, this mutilation seems to encourage fertility

Posted by: ploome at July 11, 2007 5:27 PM

Is it just my imagination, or is the silence of feminists in the west regardsing this subject profound?
Posted by: MP [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 11, 2007 12:25 PM

No its not your imagination. The feminist movement have been taken over by the far left/ socialists. Women's rights are not on their agenda anymore.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 11, 2007 5:44 PM

defender of islam writes:

The Founder of Islam forbid the practice of FC on muslim woman read than good book on Islamist religish practice.

you are lying of course
http://books.google.com/books?id=bzXzWgVajnQC&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=mohammed+to+circumcise+but+not+to+destroy&source=web&ots=AovTLvBjGl&sig=xpyL9AKAdTXorM40pI3KnOP9ZK0

Some Muslim woman practice some old traditson that Islam forbid. Christian and pagon woman in that part of the world do that to they daughter as well and you racist donot seem to mention that I wonder why the answer why is that you are hateful bigot.

FGM is a preislamic practice, and islam does not forbid it. Much of islamic practice is from pagan preislamic times.

shows you how effective the islamic message is

/spit

According to the Muslim Women's League:

"Those who advocate for FGM from an Islamic perspective commonly quote the following hadith to argue that it is required as part of the Sunnah or Tradition of the Prophet:

'Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut too severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband'." 1,8

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm

Posted by: ploome at July 11, 2007 5:46 PM

sorry I did not transform that url

please delete, this is the same URL

http://tinyurl.com/2yypo5

Posted by: ploome at July 11, 2007 6:10 PM

What the ....what a bunch of sickies..afraid they cannot control their own thoughts. They try to control others. In something so unnatural! Sick!!!

Posted by: MZ at July 11, 2007 6:15 PM

Let's tie the sangranotsatridabing-new holi word,,around their nuts so it chokes their mind of of thinking weird thoughts.. ya,, thats the ticket, naw someone has a much better idea....

Posted by: MZ at July 11, 2007 6:20 PM

Just the name CAIR says it all.

Council of American Islamic Relationship. Just the name itself tells me those thugs dont even consider themselves American.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 11, 2007 8:45 PM

I don't know. I don't think this is a (strictly speaking) a "religious" problem. It's a cultural problem. There's a band across Africa (it cuts across religions), and they practice FGM.

Cultures do not exist in air-tight vacuums. Cultural practices are picked up by adjacent groups. So you get African Christians also practicing FGM.

I don't think it's a practice solely (or exclusively) practiced by Muslims. (it's like Christmas trees...a pagan custom is adopted...Christmas tress are not something mandated by Christians, is it? I recall seeing a CBC story about a Lebanese Muslim putting up a Christmas tree -- she liked the color of all the lights, and her children wanted one -- doesn't mean they're "Christians."). (FGM is also outlawed in Egypt -- the problem is with the enforcement. It's like Mexico claiming to have the most rigorous anti-pollution laws in the world -- only problem is -- the laws are never enforced.)

Posted by: J.S. at July 11, 2007 9:31 PM

Yup, FGM is a problem in the UK. As far as Muslims are concerned, and let's speak plainly here, so are gay rights, children's rights, any female right's, democracy, conforming to British planning laws, controlling your emotions in public, dressing properly, free speech - see the furore over 'Sir' Salman Rushdie, registering on the electoral rolls, voting, voting for anyone who isn't a Muslim, toleration of the Christian traditions of the UK, libraries funded from the public purse, television news, radio news, speaking English, ringing Church bells, the Queen, the constitution, ...

Oh God, I could go on and on and on ...

Truly, this is, as Mr Spencer once said, the Religion of Perpetual Outrage.

Outraged - of course we are.

Bored by them - yup, and that should be the real danger sign as far as they are concerned!

Posted by: Jonathan Ralbrooke at July 12, 2007 1:36 AM

And by the oddest coincidence mohammedans are also still a problem in Britain.

Posted by: joeblough at July 12, 2007 2:52 AM

Oh, and BTW, the rapid and effective response by Britain's police and courts is undoubtedly due to the arduous efforts by Britain's dedicated feminists and humanitarians.

Posted by: joeblough at July 12, 2007 2:54 AM

http://www.challenging-islam.org/articles/circumcision.htm

Posted by: CGW at July 12, 2007 7:33 AM

Scroll down halfway.

http://middle-east-info.org/gateway/genocide/index.htm

Posted by: CGW at July 12, 2007 7:36 AM

I wonder what the chances are of holding a 'Rally against Sharia' in central London. This could send quite an effective message to our political overlords provided that

(1) it was large enough

(2) it did not involve party politics of any sort and

(3) would not be liable to hijacking from the BNP

Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred at July 12, 2007 10:15 AM

JS is correct about African tribes practicing FGM whether they are Christian or Muslim. However, Christian leaders consistently condemn this practice as ALL mutilation of the body (alive or dead) is a grave disorder.

Muslim leaders ENCOURAGE the practice because of their warped ideas of sexuality.

Posted by: atheling at July 12, 2007 11:45 AM

I feel it is my duty to warn you about having anything to do with the CPS. I have had a lot of experiences with them and if you report child abuse to them, and you yourselves have children, they will become interested in your children (they get a lot of money for every child they can rip off). They are virtually above the law. If they take your child count on spending no less than 60,000 bucks to get it back - and if you try to get them back without a lawyer, you will fail. So disregard what you have read above which I have re-posted below,

"Child Protective Services will, and must, investigate anonymous tips, so they will protect your identity. On the other hand, they are very inconsistent in how vigorously they investigate. Sometimes they will seriously invade innocent families, other times they won't do enough where real abuse is going on. It's pretty much a roll of the dice as to how much good it does. But if you name enough specific families, there's a hope that CPS will investigate enough of them to catch some of them."

Posted by: tom at July 12, 2007 2:06 PM

Look! Do you need to get hit over the head with it? Sharia is inevitable in England! Repeat after me until it sinks in! The Queens son loves the Muslims, and Diana was going to marry a Muslim. What else, after refusing to get an abortion? Muslims don't like abortions even though they do not consider the baby as human (so they can kill pregnant women when it seems good to them). ONCE AGAIN, " Diana was going to marry a Muslim." Diana was going to marry a Muslim. "Diana was going to marry a Muslim."

Posted by: tom at July 12, 2007 2:26 PM

FGM is also practiced among some Ethiopian Jews and Christians.

Posted by: desertdawg29palms at July 13, 2007 1:23 AM

desertdawg29palms:

I really want to see some sources for that assertion, particularly about the Ethiopian Jews.

Everything I've ever heard about those folks suggests that such a practice would be a major no-no.

Posted by: joeblough at July 13, 2007 2:30 AM