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A plot to eliminate some uppity dhimmis? From AsiaNews (thanks to svermirko):
The Istanbul public attorney’s office is investigating a group of ex army officers who seem to have plotted to eliminate Bartholomew I as well as Mesrob of the Armenians. The Turkish Supreme Court ruling contesting the ecumenical title of the Patriarchate is discussed in Brussels and finds an unlikely ally in the Church of Moscow.Istanbul (AsiaNews) – A group of ex army officers, now retired, plotted to assassinate the ecumenical Patriarch: this is what has emerged from an investigation carried out by Istanbul’s public attorney’s office, and brought to light by a report in Aksam newspaper. The group known as the Association of National Forces was led by Bekir Ozturk: the hard drive of his computer revealed the entire project which also consisted of the assassination of the Armenian Patriarch Mesrob and of a Jewish businessman.
This network of retired army officials are believed to be in contact with diverse well rooted nationalist groups on Turkish soil. What is of even graver concern is the fact that arms in their possession seem to originate from Army deposits. According to media and diplomatic sources this only further underlines the deep ties between nationalist activists and institutions linked to the State, thus forming the so-called “Shadow State”.
These worries are amplified by the recent entrance into parliament of the nationalist MHP party (which includes the grey wolves) in national elections, and their strengthening of the opposition, until now represented by the Kemalist CHP party.
On the subject of the recent elections, observers have not failed to comment on Erdogan’s reshuffling of his government in favour of right wing candidates over liberals. A fact that led to his landslide victory in the centre east of the country. Some recall an interview he gave in 1998, when he was on the verge of forming his party, in which he said: “my aim is to unite my party base with the nationalists”, in short uniting political Islam with nationalism, legitimized by the journey towards European Union membership, with the country’s obvious economic development as the winning factor, which also brought election victory as proven by Kodan poll agency, the only one to have correctly gauged pre-election forecasts.
Posted by Robert at August 3, 2007 7:45 AM
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Turkey produced Pope John Paul's shooter too. (Mehmet Ali Agca)
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at August 3, 2007 10:11 AM
eis polla eti dhespota
Posted by: Mitri El-Murr at August 3, 2007 10:24 AM
These "right-wing nationalists" chose a Greek Patriarch, an Armenian church leader, and a Jewish businessman (presumably prominent) as their targets. Yet we are supposed to believe that mere "natonalism" was behind it. But in Turkey, the Nationalist Myth which was created -- the myth of The Turk, and "the Sun People" (Inonu), and the cult of Ataturk that for some replaced the cult of Muhammad -- turned out to carry along with it the old, pre-existing Islamic attitudes of contempt and hatred for Infidels. So "The Turk" could not be Muslim. Christians and Jews can be citizens of Turkey, but they cannot be "Turks." The varlik vergesi tax during World War II has levied only on the Christians and Jews -- in other words, was akin to the Jizyah.
The truly "secular" Turks may prefer the nationalists to the Islamic groups, but they must realize that they failed, over many decades, to continue the work of Ataturk toward Western reason by not working to undercut, in turn, that cult of the Turks and of Ataturk, that begins in the 1920s and 1930s as an alternative to Islam. Clearly many of those who are nationalists possess the old views that coe from Islam, the 1350-year old hostility toward non-Muslims that Islam inculcates and that these plotting retired officers, though presumably also enemies of Erdogan as "nationalists" (Islam caring litte for borders), show so clearly in their choice of targets. ,
Posted by: Hugh at August 3, 2007 11:46 AM
Problems like this will go away once Turkey is welcomed into the EU.
Posted by: MP at August 3, 2007 12:10 PM
...I have many moments doubting the existing of a deity that would permit and seemingly aid such atrocities.
by have mercy
I amen that. Temporary evils like vandals, huns, tatars or nazis is understandable in some context, but 14 cent. of doctrine which commited worst crimes in the name of Divinity, not because its message is twisted, but because its evil is a part of doctrine is beyond my comprehension. Thinking of islam usually brings doubt in God to me.
Considering Kemalism. Actually, if that guy never appeared, perhaps Churchill would succeed in effort to bring down turks in ww1, entering the Constantinople (I like to belive that expulsion of turks out of Europe was his prime motif when he launced catastrofic Gallipoly capaign). Kemal was the main reason for anglo-saxon (civilisation) defeat, which would not end turkish presence, but redeem western world for collosal betrayal of eastern cristians in Crimean war (and which was certanly disasterous for latter western-russian relationship). But also Kemal's defeat of 'abominate' westerners,and genocide on 'dirty' Armenians, 'rotten' Greeks, 'ugly' Assirians...,is the main reason for turkish love to him. He is the guy who bring the order in town eliminating antiturkish fift column (infidels) and all other destabilasing factors (human beigns who happens not to be a turks by nationallity). They would probably adorn him cos of this 'merits', praise him for drinking rakija (shnaps), and 'understand' him in his moves against islam as merely nothing but wise political moves which was needed at that time (and not needed today), just to appease west and consolidate turkey (taqiyya 'wisdom').
As I have watch one turkish governor on televison few years ago, man HONESTLY didnt understand why the rest of the world faild to see the turkey as a model of tolerance and peace. By his words: 'we have here muslims, christians, jews and even fire worshipers (zaratostrians)'. Offcourse, he didnt admit that muslims was probably not less than 98%, while rest of non muslims are merely a decoration for his tolerant-turkey portrait. Telling him that only 100 years ago (not to mention 1000 years), pecentage would be completelly opposite, would probbably bring him a hart attack. With such brain washing from infancy, no wonder why millions of muslims in turkey live in a lie. And they are quite comphort with that, certanly much more than me or the nick abowe.
at August 3, 2007 1:38 PM
During WW2 Jews and Christians were taxed 95% of ALL assets. I basically whiped those communities out financially.
Wasn't it "enough" that the Turks murdered about 3,000,000 Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians and Chaldeans during WW1 and shortly thereafter, thus basically exterminating non-Muslims from "their" soil?
Disgusting.
Posted by: ikonklast29palms at August 3, 2007 2:01 PM
"Both the Ecumenical and Armenian Patriarch should leave. What is the point of staying there?"
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There has been much discussion about relocating the Ecumenical Patriarch to the soveriegn monastic republic of Mount Athos. The problem is that such a move might cramp the Patriarch's mission almost as much as the Muslims. On Athos, the Patriarch would not be able to recieve any female faithful as well as other problems. Also, although land-linked, it is accessible only by boat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Athos
A more sensible possiblity would be for Greece to establish a Vatican-like enclave at the town of Ouranoupolis on the border of Mount Athos. http://www.ouranoupoli.com/ouranoupoli/ouranoup.html
However, this should be a last resort in that, as long as the Patriarchate remains in Constantinople, it shows that the city is occupied territory and the its legal status as a Christian city has not been abandoned.
In the past, Russia made several attempts to liberate Constantinople but was blocked each time by Britian and France coming to save the Turks. The Crimean War was one of these times and the "Charge of the Light Brigade" celebrates the bad guys in this war. During World War I, Tsar Nicolas II hoped to liberate all of Thrace and Anatolia from the Turks, deporting them back to their original Central Asian homeland (which was already in his empire) and setting all of Anatolia with Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, and Cossacks.
As we know, the great crime of the Bolshevik takeover, and subsequent terror, prevented that from happening. Now, 80 years after that tragedy, it is inexcusable that the Patriarch of Moscow (the Third Rome) is not supporting his spiritual elder brother, the Patriarch of the New Rome, Constantinople.
Posted by: Provoslavni at August 3, 2007 4:00 PM
Provoslavni:
"However, this should be a last resort in that, as long as the Patriarchate remains in Constantinople, it shows that the city is occupied territory and the its legal status as a Christian city has not been abandoned."
Absolutely right. Bartholomew's staying in Istanbul has a huge symbolical value. It also has an important practical one, in that almost the entire Christian Orthodox world is still "lead" from Constantinople. The Patriarchate still holds councils there, issues decrees and opinions on theological and cannonical matters, deals with other faiths pretty much as the Vatican does, and asserts itself as the inheritor of the great Eastern Orthodox institutional tradition in unbroken succession.
The Patriarchate should stay in Constantinople. Leaving it would be a great mistake. It would simply mean the ultimate defeat and retreat of Eastern Christiandom.
Posted by: ovidius_naso at August 4, 2007 1:24 PM
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