Notice that Ayhan Tonca didnt dispute what Mr Wilder claimed whats in the Qur'an? Niether did Els Lucas.

Posted by: Elric66 at August 9, 2007 7:45 AM

Go ahead, Mr Lucas, bring the suit. There would be nothing more illuminating to the Dutch population than to present what is in the Koran in a trial. Also bring the list of murderous, jiahdist leaders who quote directly from the book to legitimize their acts of barbarism.

Posted by: Briars at August 9, 2007 8:05 AM

Religion of Subversion accurately describes what mislam is to host countries. Allegiance to mislam, Allha and the ummah subvert allegiance to the host country, its laws, its cultural norms, its national character.

Theo Van Gogh died as a result of the unlawful violence and treason that mislam inflicts upon any country where it is tolerated.

Subversive, treasonous cults should not be tolerated even if they cloak themselves in the garments of religion.

Since, Mohammedans do not worship Jehovah or YAHWEH, they, in fact, do not worship God as we conceive of him in the civilized world. In fact, they do not worship the same God; they worship allha, Mo's substitution for the worship of Baal and a hundred other gods.

Allowing allha to be substituted for Jehovah's name in The Bible in the 10th? Century has allowed a great lie to be propigated throughout the Muslim world and the rest of the world. For, Christians, believing erroneously that we all worship the same god exert tolerance where no tolerance should be extended. And, free governments and free societies tolerate and protect that which is not religion as though it were like other religious belief systems.

If allha is not Jehovah or YAHWEH, then he should not be accorded religious protection; cult worship, subversive, treasonous sects should be banned and prosecuted for the subversion they represent.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at August 9, 2007 8:26 AM

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Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred at August 9, 2007 8:26 AM

Yup.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 9, 2007 8:44 AM

It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this. So Mein Kampf is banned in the Netherlands; I didn't know that.

Posted by: Josephine at August 9, 2007 8:59 AM

I think Geert Wilders gets it right 99.9% of the time, but on this particular issue, I'm not so sure. Is banning something really the best course of action? I don't know, maybe that's just the American in me speaking, but anytime someone claims that a particular book should be banned, I flash back to my days growing up in the Soviet Union, where such things were commonplace. Wilders might be right. I don't know. Just makes me uneasy is all.

Posted by: GetBornAgain at August 9, 2007 9:08 AM

It would be a huge mistake to ban the book, and leave its adherents in place in the west. The book, and the conduct of muslims, must be made obvious to the infidel western populations. Banning the book would just conceal the evidence. Let's have the filthy laundry out in the open, for all to see. At least then they will know where the stink is coming from.

Posted by: Monty at August 9, 2007 9:11 AM

Okay - not Netherlands, not Britain, not France.
I commend Mr. Wilders for his outstanding courage in the face of great dangers, both personal and societal.

I'm changing my bet. Sweden goes first.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 9, 2007 10:03 AM

- Els Lucas is not only a lawyer, she is also a Labor Party council member.
- A second lawsuit has been filed by a muslim lawyer.
- Law experts believe that the charges have no merit and will probably be dismissed.
- Meanwhile politicians and public figures are competing who can trash Geert Wilders the most, among them a prominent Catholic bishop, as well as a leading rightwing conservative ultra orthodox finger wagging fire spitting Jesse Helms meet Strom Thurmond calvinist MP.
- FM Maxime Verhagen in the meanwhile is peeing his pants and shitting seven colors against the wind, and has decided to sent an emergency letter to Dutch ambassies in the Middle East, declaring that the government distances itself from what Wilders has said, in case anyone starts asking questions (read: tries torching the place).
- Josephine: Mein Kampf is not banned in the Netherlands. Publishing rights (of the Dutch translation) are with the government, which has no intention of publishing.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at August 9, 2007 10:05 AM

A agree with Monty.

It is a mistake to ban books.

By studying the Koran and Mein Kampf and comparing the two, we can learn of the similarities in Islam and Fascism.

Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred at August 9, 2007 10:22 AM

Anti-Dhimmi of the year, hands down.

Kim, you mentioned that Dutch embassies in the middle east are scrambling to distance themselves from what Wilders said. Interesting. I wonder if that includes, for example, Saudi Arabia where, last time I heard, they are not CALLLING for the Bible to be banned, they already did it.

Posted by: Abu Allah at August 9, 2007 10:42 AM

I'm tired of Mein Kampf being compared to the Koran. Mein Kampf dealt with a few crazy ideas and was produced by a somewhat sane mind. The Koran on the other hand was produced by a man whose mind was clearly warped by desert heat and covers every last crazy detail of life in this and the next world. There's really no comparison-Mein Kampf was horrible and inspired millions but the Koran's infinitely worse in that it inspires a billion to this very day.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at August 9, 2007 11:06 AM

Forgive me for saying this, but Mein Kampf is (in parts) actually a funny book. Hitler was a repressed homosexual twit with a great love of music and art. He sang and painted and orated and philosophized. He was brilliant, sick, twisted and so was the book he penned. I've read the book twice, cover to cover, and their are passages that are just thigh-slappingly funny. It's like a super-pissed-off "Roughing It" but without Twain's comic edge.

It's an insult to Hitler to compare Mein Kampf to the Korant.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at August 9, 2007 11:23 AM

A brief article by David Hollins draws a side by side parallel between Mein Kamph vs Quran, as well as Bukhari and Ibn Ishaq.

This article was brief, but if one was to ever look at the entire Quran, drop the verses dealing with biblical stories, and just compare those that dealt with Infidels to what Mein Kamph prescribed for dealing with opponents, that would be a book length piece of work. And no need to do that with the sunnah - given how some Mohammedan apologists try to distance themselves from it, just use the Quran.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 9, 2007 11:25 AM

Someday soon the Korant will be banned in the USA. Until then, be sure to visit your Barnes & Noble or Borders and remove all copies of The korant from the religion section (where it doesn't belong)and place them in the "True Crime" section where they do belong.

I do it all the time. And if I get caught?

picture me, hands waving in the air:

"HAVE YOU READ THIS BOOK?"
"HAS ANYONE ON THE STAFF OF THIS BOOKSTORE ACTUALLY READ THIS BOOK? ANSWER ME!!!"
"NO?"
"WELL, LET ME SHARE SOME PASSAGES WITH YOU. THIS IS AN EVIL BOOK THAT ADVOCATES FIRST DEGREE MURDER AGAINST ME AND YOU. I WILL PROVE IT. LISTEN."

Islamophobic conversion complete.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at August 9, 2007 11:38 AM

Ynkedoodl2-

My hat's off to you for reading Mein Kampf twice. I read it once and barely made it through because of its boring and rather repetitive style (it does have a little unintentional humor once in a while). I've only read one other book that impressed me as little. It starts with the letter "K".

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at August 9, 2007 11:39 AM

Mr. Wilders will probably be moving to the USA very soon if he keeps this up.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at August 9, 2007 11:42 AM

@ISLAMSFORLOSERS

I read it in college but wasn't ready to appreciate the humor. I read it again two years ago and found myself laughing out loud. The description of the Hungarian parliment in action comes to mind. The whole book is "over-the-top."

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at August 9, 2007 11:51 AM

Read the Qu'ran. (or rather, a translation of the Qu'ran.) Read Mein Kampf. Read everything.

Make up your own mind.

Posted by: tanstaafl at August 9, 2007 11:55 AM

Did Mr. Wilders make his statements in the Dutch parliament, or outside at some press conference? In the U.S. a Congressman or Senator can say anything at all on the floor of the House or Senate and face no criminal or civil charges. However he (or she) could be censured by the other members of the house.

Posted by: ebonystone at August 9, 2007 12:04 PM

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT THE RELIGION OF PEACE!!

Posted by: alexon at August 9, 2007 12:07 PM

First of all Geert has nothing to lose, he has had over 600 death threats and is permantly guarded. I find it disgusting that he has to have an armed guard when he goes for a piss in the Dutch parliament building. He gets very little reporting in fact in the MSM so parliament is a great arena to get his views across and keep himself and his party in front of the Dutch electorate. I think his party have asked more parliamentary questions than all the other parties combined since the beginning of the new parliament. His party is very small only having 9 members expect a few more at the next general election. He wont succeed in getting the koran banned and he knows it, but it keeps his party and its aim in front of the Dutch electorate and embarrasses the government at the same time.

Here by the way is a translation of one of his articles from his website. I translated it a couple of months ago. He certainly knows what he is talking about and Robert even gets a honorable mention. Please enjoy.

Mohammed is alive and Well

The Prophet Mohammed had at least nine wives at the same time. He married thirteen. The Youngest who he married in 622 was Aisha, who was only 6 years old, and a few years later when she was 9, he had sex with her. Marrying a 6 year old and having sex with a 9 year old is for all times reserved for the ultimate dirty old man.
According to the 8th century historian Muhammed Ibn Ishaq Ibn Yassar, the Prophet Mohammed was involved in at least 27 aggressive and bloody wars. He allowed 700 Jews to beheaded at the same time, and had slaves over. All false heroics, to my regret Mohammed was a perverse man, and an aggressive warlord, his Koran, a violent book and the pure Islam is up to the present day an example of expansionism and intolerance, with the latent potential to be the cause of the next world war.
The prophet Mohammed died in the year 632 in Medina 63 years old. But that was not the end, Mohammed and his Islam is still very much alive. 1.3 billion people on this earth are muslim, and the struggle continues. Islamo fascism continues to grow and also in Nederland we see, as in other parts of the West, a further radicalization of groups of Muslims, of they now come from Moroccan or Turkish background . Samir A and Mohammed B. as an example are according to themselves the true Muslims. Yet today the Imam of the Assoenna Mosque in Amsterdam wants a cabaret artist killed because of his jokes about Islam. The tsunami of islamisation is a direct threat for the continuation of the world we know, and is the beginning of the end of western norms and values such as freedom, equality, tolerance and the separation of church and state that we so rightly cherish.
It is not a question of centuries that the Eurabia of the British writer Bat Ye”or becomes reality, and those who would like to read a a realistic description of the true face of the barbaric prophet Mohammed is the recently published book by Robert Spencer “The Truth about Muhammed” an absolute must.
The question that remains is why the west is still blinded by an almost suicidal political correctness. Why do naive cultural relativists decide that they don't dare say that the islamitic culture is worse than our own, that the western culture based upon Christian Jewish and humanistic values is still the political agenda. Why do left wing quasi intellectual journalists from papers such as NCR in a disgusting spiritual witch hunt, a honest political party as mine, who state the facts and offer a solution constantly force us into the extream right corner.
Because the frightened Dimmi's will not recognize the truth. Because they are frightened to recognize that the pure Islam and its radicalization, which grows like cabbage, forms a direct threat for the West, Europe and Nederland. Because to recognize this truth would lead to measures such as an immediate immigration stop for muslims and an effort for their rapid re-emigration.
The European and Dutch body politic is cowardly. Islam will, by the continuation of our present neglect, conqueror and control the West. But that will not happen as long as I have anything to say about it.

Posted by: Holger Dansker at August 9, 2007 12:15 PM

Wilders just wants the Dutch to finally read the book.

Only by making it potentially "forbidden" can he motivate them.

The only book the Dutch have banned is one which warned about the Islamic invasion of Holland.

(Such a warning is deemed to be "attacking a minority" and is thus illegal under Dutch "hatespeech" rules. The Koran, on the other hand, assaults everyone "non-Muslim", so it is attacking the majority, apparently a legal loophole that allows for Islam's intolerance.)

Wilders is trying to pull the blinders off a people who have grown too comfortable with their tolerant tunnel vision.

That's not a light at the end of it.

That's Civilization burning.

Rembrandts to heat the saunas of the imams.

Vermeers for the stoves of the religious police.

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 9, 2007 12:16 PM

Deprtation shopuld be part of the punishment

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 9, 2007 12:23 PM

Assalamau Laikum all,

It seem that there are a couple flavours of the month at the moment.

1) Muslim/Koran/K'abah/Mekkah& Medina bashing.

2) Say someting nasty about Islam in Holland and get your free green card to the Amerike.

Ofcourse there are no excuses given for the incalculable damage to the young of Islam. Little childrens sho love Allah SWT wanting to know why the colonist took away 1st our country/freedom for a bit and now try to the ultimate blasphemy...banning the book of God.

He does not want to ban the Torah or the Bible...only the Koran.

At this sensitive time I am looking upon Allah T'allah for inspiration....why are these peoples being so nasty to us...what have we done to peoples who live thousands of miles away...cannot read arabic or urdu...misunderstand the Koran and blame it on us....why does the kaffur not like us?

We offer him the greatest gift of all...the light of Islam.

Posted by: Naseem at August 9, 2007 12:26 PM

Kim Hartveld -- Thank you for the information.

Posted by: Josephine at August 9, 2007 12:26 PM

Holger Dansker -- Thank you.

Posted by: Josephine at August 9, 2007 12:34 PM

We offer him the greatest gift of all..the light of Islam. Posted by: Naseem at August 9, 2007 12:26 PM

What part of NO NOT NOW NOT EVER NO NOT NOW NOT EVER NO NOT NOW NOT EVER NO NOT NOW NOT EVER NO NOT NOW NOT EVER NO NOT NOW NOT EVER NO NOT NOW NOT EVER NO NOT NOW NOT EVER NO NOT NOW NOT EVER

do you not understand!!!!!!

Posted by: j_not_a at August 9, 2007 12:35 PM

what have we done to peoples who live thousands of miles away...

Try 9/11 - plotted in Afghanistan and Pakistan Try 3/11, 7/11, 7/7, try Somali cabbies misbehaving in Minneapolis, try Londonistan Qatloos bullying Infidels in Britain, try French Muslim rioters.

Note that we have nothing against Paki Christians.

cannot read arabic or urdu...

You can't read or understand Sanskrit, but that doesn't stop you from criticizing Hinduism. You can't read Latin or Hebrew, but that doesn't stop you from criticizing Christianity or Judaism. Guess what - if somebody doesn't like a practice in a religion, one needn't learn the language of that religion's texts to criticize that practice. Except that in Islam, there is so much to criticize, and so little to praise.

misunderstand the Koran and blame it on us....

Oh no, you don't need Arabic for the Quran. Just the relevant tafseers and sunnah is adequate.

why does the kaffur not like us?

See above

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 9, 2007 1:09 PM

"At this sensitive time I am looking upon Allah T'allah for inspiration....why are these peoples being so nasty to us...what have we done to peoples who live thousands of miles away...cannot read arabic or urdu...misunderstand the Koran and blame it on us....why does the kaffur not like us?"

LOL!!! Now, that's a fine piece of stand-up comedy.
BTW, is T'allah his last name?

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at August 9, 2007 1:10 PM

Ah, Naseem, the many headed hydra-like amorphous mohammeden supremacist. In this instance, he/she/it is playing the victim card while at the same time extending the same dawah as usual. Other times, he/she/it cant' hold in his/her/it's supremacist leanings, and displays glee in imparting on us dullards of the free world the glory that is islam. Yes, you took away our land, you raped our natural resources, you blah blah blah...

Hmmm...why does the kuffar not like us. For starts, calling us kuffar doesn't endear you to us. Secondly, your good cop bad cop smokescreens are excruciatingly easy to lay bare and expose.
You simply enjoy flitting in from time to time when the article fits your needs, poking little darts at those who speak out against your medieval cult of oppression.

Times are a changing, Naseem...even our most jaded, decadent souls are waking up...the tsunami which will result from our eventual disgust as a culture with your sons of the bedouin blood cult will certainly be a thing to see.

Your oil is your only salvation at this point, as the elites wring their hands to straddle the fence between whoring themselves out for cheap fossil fuels and the growing maelstrom that those who elect them are beginning to bring to the table.

Enjoy, 'til then!

Posted by: anathema at August 9, 2007 1:19 PM

Good morning Naseem,

Glad to see you're so dedicated to the Cause that you're up posting da'wa in the middle of the night, Lahore time. I'd recommend getting some sleep, because it's going to be an eventful day tomorrow.

Treasury member Ejaz Chaudhry may call for all the Pakistani muslims to be fitted for bomb vests at a moment's notice. I think he'd include your sect, especially if it means more bombers and more blasphemers removed, both on the regular infidel and Ahmadhi sides.

Are you going to head the command for one billion bombers or are you not a muslim?

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 9, 2007 1:39 PM

Islam will continue to make inroads into Western society, and Western culture and technology (internet) will continue to make inroads into Islamic society. What we will end up with is a world of ten regions, brittle and divisive, with neither ideology (iron and clay) mixing or compromising with the other. Sounds like Islam, yes? Islam is always arguing and is so easily offended. This whole scenario is described in the book of Daniel, chapter 2, verses 31-45. It describes a dream by King Nebuchadnezzar in ancient Babylon (Iraq), and interpreted by the prophet Daniel. So, while i appreciate Geert Wilders and share his sentiments, banning the Koran is just not going to happen, unfortunately, as Geert correctly predicts. I believe Islam is right now ushering in the Anti-Christ governmental structure through which the Antichrist will rule over the whole world for 7 years, persecuting Christians and Jews for the latter 3.5 of those years, and after which Jesus Christ returns and rules the world for 1000 years, and then the living God rules for eternity, so everyone place your faith in Jesus Christ who took away all the world's sins beginning from creation throughout eternity by His death on the cross. Recognizing that your sins are gone from the eyes of God, now receive Christ's life living in you. Islam has nothing but condemnation and punishment to offer people, but Jesus Christ took away all the guilt of mankind except for unbelief in Jesus Christ, the only sin remaining which must be corrected voluntarily in each individual to receive eternal life. Islam is a false religion. The God of Christianity and the god of Islam are not the same, in my opinion. In fact i would say that Islam's god is satan the deceiver. I am not here to argue. I am trying to save Muslims' and others' souls. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Islamic good works or martyrdom is not how the righteousnes which comes from God is obtained. It is only obtained through faith in Jesus Christ.

Posted by: gracer at August 9, 2007 2:00 PM

The lawyers and muslim organizations will complain about the comment but not address the overwhelming public belief.

The lawyers and muslims will complain over 'insult' or 'words', they will not argue over 'truth' 'teaching' or 'belief'. That is where the danger is.

So, don't believe the politician, for that matter, don't believe the muslims, go ahead and conduct a public poll of the muslims and what their beliefs are, but don't water down the poll.

The beliefs will show the danger, while the muslims are hiding behind words.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at August 9, 2007 2:16 PM

Thank god there are still rational and reasonable people in Europe. This book is full of hate and the whole religion should be banned legally from Europe. Freedom works well for everyone, until the muslims come and use it against us. I will fly to Europe from Canada if there is a protest against Sharia law, and I will subsidize the cost for anyone else in Canada who wants to go.

Sincerely Jason

Posted by: Isamisevil at August 9, 2007 2:24 PM

Thank god there are still rational and reasonable people in Europe. This book is full of hate and the whole religion should be banned legally from Europe. Freedom works well for everyone, until the muslims come and use it against us. I will fly to Europe from Canada if there is a protest against Sharia law, and I will subsidize the cost for anyone else in Canada who wants to go.

Sincerely Jason

Posted by: Isamisevil at August 9, 2007 2:35 PM

Thank god there are still rational and reasonable people in Europe. This book is full of hate and the whole religion should be banned legally from Europe. Freedom works well for everyone, until the muslims come and use it against us. I will fly to Europe from Canada if there is a protest against Sharia law, and I will subsidize the cost for anyone else in Canada who wants to go.

Sincerely Jason

Posted by: Isamisevil at August 9, 2007 2:35 PM

Banning books creates a desire for them,...oh that we could ban stupidity.

The quran (never capitalize it)is the work of satan, sent to cause strife throughout the world. And if the world consisted only of muslims, it would be an even more violent place.
Wherever there is islam, there is violence, bloodshed, and evil.

We gave them Bosnia, Gaza,(East)Pakistan. All are hellholes.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at August 9, 2007 2:48 PM

Look at this..

americancongressfortruth@donationnet.net

http://www.theislamproject.org/education/Lessonplans.htm

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at August 9, 2007 2:50 PM

Thank god there are still rational and reasonable people in Europe. This book is full of hate and the whole religion should be banned legally from Europe. Freedom works well for everyone, until the muslims come and use it against us. I will fly to Europe from Canada if there is a protest against Sharia law, and I will subsidize the cost for anyone else in Canada who wants to go.

Sincerely Jason

Posted by: Isamisevil at August 9, 2007 2:55 PM

sorry for the multiple posts, my computer sucks.

Posted by: Isamisevil at August 9, 2007 2:58 PM

Joe,

I looked at that link and it's a laugh. A "brief" history of muhammed's life. That would garner an R rating (if not X). How could 11-14 yr olds see that? Must be a snow job.

My kids attend private schools so we see none of this. But my son is going to a Jesuit High School and I am armed with Robert's books and the actual quran because religion class includes islam.

Last year I actually made the 8th grade teacher ill with the hadith. Mosque field trip canceled after parent info meeting. (I was at the meeting with my laptop.)

The Bible and the quran are not the same. Which is right?

Posted by: CapitalistGig at August 9, 2007 3:01 PM

I have not read all of the "The Islam Project"
But I did notice how they made mention of the artistries committed by the "Crusaders” and no mention of the atrocities committed by Mo and his merry men.

Also the last paragraph I find interesting..

Muhammad, Islam, and the World: An Overview

In the first Crusade, the Christians stormed Jerusalem in 1099, killing all Muslims, women and children alike, an event that is still etched deeply in the collective memory of Muslims. Muslim holy sites were desecrated or destroyed, and the Dome of the Rock was converted into a church. This Christian rule of Jerusalem lasted less than 100 years, however, before a Muslim army drove out the Christians. Unlike the Christian conquerors, the Muslims spared the lives of all civilians and noncombatants. For the next two centuries, the Muslims and the Christians fought a series of holy wars for control of the holy land. The fighting came to a stop when a Turkish Muslim army conquered the Byzantium Empire in 1453, and renamed its capital (Constantinople) Istanbul. This city became the seat of the Ottoman Empire.

But for all their variety, large numbers of Muslims resent America's power and its foreign policy, which always seems to favor the claims of Israel over the Palestinians. They resent the bombardment of their cultures with offensive messages about the status of Islamic women. They don't like what appears to be hypocrisy on America's part, especially our "we-are-better-than-you" attitude in foreign policy. They think that the U.S. exaggerates the extent of Arab violence toward Israel without condemning the much larger number of Palestinian civilians killed by Israel. The majority of people questioned in a recent survey in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Lebanon said that the Palestinian question was the most important issue to them in politics. They think the U. S. is wrong to impose sanctions against Iraqi children while doing nothing to hold India or North Korea to a similar standard. And they very much resent the way most Americans see little difference between the average Muslim and militant Islamic terrorists. For these reasons, some Muslims around the world admire Osama bin Laden-not for his beliefs, but for his standing up to the United States.

http://www.theislamproject.org/education/Lessonplans.htm

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at August 9, 2007 3:24 PM

Naseem said:
At this sensitive time I am looking upon Allah T'allah for inspiration....why are these peoples being so nasty to us...what have we done to peoples who live thousands of miles away...cannot read arabic or urdu...misunderstand the Koran and blame it on us....why does the kaffur not like us?
Posted by: Naseem

I admit I laughed and laughed when I read this.

You muslims are *SO* extraordinarily, insanely hypocritical, it is stunning.

Why are *WE* nasty to you (muslims)?? Just where do you see this happening? I look around the world, and I am seeing infidels bending over backwards to accomodate you and your filthy religion. We are slowly but surely selling our future and our children down the river because we're afraid to offend you.

And you say we misunderstand the koran?
I understand it PERFECTLY. I understand that your holy book instructs you to hate infidels, to not ever befriend us unless it will somehow benefit you. I understand that your koran DEMANDS that you and every other muslim on this planet wage war against me simply because I am not a muslim. I understand that your holy book demands that I, as an infidel, either convert to islam, remain a Christian and live as a second-class citizen while paying you a protection tax, or be killed. I understand all these things perfectly well as I have read them over and over again. Of course you, being a good muslim, are quick with your takiyya, while you attempt to make us believe that your koran says no such things, or that us ignorant infidels are taking the words out of context. Don't you know by now that while most of the sheeple of the Civilized West will buy that stupid crap, us here at JW will not?? Why do you even bother to waste your breath?

And by the way, I hate you, because you hate me, just as your holy book instructs you to do so. Jesus said 'Love thy enemies' but I simply will not love someone who lives to kill me and my children.

Posted by: JenBee at August 9, 2007 3:56 PM

If we simply limit Muslim immigration to the West before it is too late, and deport all those who are anti-social, we would not have to worry about this shitty little book.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at August 9, 2007 5:16 PM

"The leader [Geert Wilders] of the far-right Freedom Party..."
-- from the article above, by Bruno Waterfield in "The Telegraph"

What makes Bruno Waterfield describe Geert Wilders as the leader of a "far-right" party? Is the Freedom Party nostalgic for Hitler? For Mussolini? For Franco? Is it a party whose members would have defended Menten? A party that thinks the dealings with the Nazis of the Dutch royals was justified?

Or is it some particular economic policy -- say, laissez-faire capitalism -- that the Freedom Party promotes, or perhaps even some version of Ayn Rand's Objectivism?

Is the Freedom Party dedicated to the proposition that every man is an island, or rather, a sauve-qui-peut grasping Leibnizian monad, wandering alone in the universe, and crushing whatever opposition he may find, for man must necessarily be a wolf to man?

Is it any of those, or some of those, or all of those, or is it, rather, none of those, but one thing and one thing only: that Geert Wilders and the Freedom Party are consumed with worry about the islamisation of the Netherlands, which had 15,000 Muslims in 1970 and has more than a million today? Is that what makes the Freedom Party, and Geert Wilders, "far right"? Is it what made that easygoing, bemuseed libertine PIm Fortuyn "far right"? Does it make Ayaan Hirsi Ali "far right"? What about the late Oriana Fallaci, an opponent of the Green colonels, of the American war in Vietnam, whose lover was murdered by those same Greek "rightists"? Was she, because she became horrified, after decades of becoming intimately acquainted with the Muslim Middle East, having spent time with the PLO, having interviewed Khaddafy and Khomeini and Arafat, with all that she personally observed and experienced of the behavior of Muslims in Italy, saw how they urinated on Ghiberti's doors in the Battistero in Florence, saw what their growing presence meant in Italiay cities, saw what was happening even in the most remote corners of Tuscany, as aggressive and militant Islam tried to establish its beachheads everywhere, even attempting -- so far repelled, but for how long? -- an assault on the quiet, quintessentially Tuscan Colle di Val d'Elsa, where a huge mosque is planned, and if it were to be erected, would have the same effect on Italian psyches as would the building of a huge mosque a hundred yards from the rude bridge in Concord, and Daniel Chester French's statue of the Minuteman. What about Orianna Fallaci -- is she also "far-right"?

Is grasping the nature of Islam, understanding it as a Total System, attempting to impose a Complete Regulation of Life, and offering a Total Explanation of the Universe, and in recognizing that it depends on the notion of a state of permanent war between Believers and Infidels, a war that need not erupt into open warfare when such would not be to the advantage of Muslims, but may be conducted by all such means as prove possible and effective -- such as the Money Weapon, Da'wa, and demographic conquest.

Is that what Bruno Waterfield means? Is that what "The Telegraph" means its readers to understand? Worry aloud, worry terribly, about Islam, and utter your warnings to others as often as you can, makes you "far right"? Is that it?

Posted by: Hugh at August 9, 2007 8:06 PM

"Last year I actually made the 8th grade teacher ill with the hadith. Mosque field trip canceled after parent info meeting. (I was at the meeting with my laptop.)

The Bible and the quran are not the same. Which is right?

Posted by: CapitalistGig [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 9, 2007 3:01 PM"

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Most excellent, C-Gig! That's the way we fight these bastards. Indoctrinate the young to NOT believe any of this Is-Lame crap.

And still fight the greater fight that is coming!

Posted by: boneshack at August 9, 2007 8:07 PM

CapitalistGib:

One further question, how if the heck did this multiculturalistic, "Islam is so wonderful", PC crap infiltrate the Jesuit High School?

Are the Jesuits now on the Saudi payroll?? Good, grief, we're all cooked now!

I'd be fascinated if you did some research on your son's high school on this subject. Perhaps another of this octopus' (Islam) tentacle can be exposed.

Just a thought..

Posted by: boneshack at August 9, 2007 8:18 PM

The Quran deserves the same spot as Mein Kampf. Both have been a sickness to this world, except one remains a factor. In fact, I don’t think you can weigh the two equally, because the Quran has been much more horrid. It feels wrong to place the two in the same sentence, because it feels like making the Quran’s evil much smaller than it actually is.

The world has gotten over Mein Kampf long ago, but the Quran is still plaguing the Earth after 1400 years. I in no means like to bestow significance to a work of such gratuitous nonsense, but we have to face and understand the facts. For some reason, over the last half century we have forgotten, or decided to ignore, the facts about Islam. We have decided to be blissfully happy. Well, times up! It is again time to stand up to this problem that our ancestors have done so well to control. And I mean all of us, in unison: whites, blacks, Russians, Indians, Arabs, Chinese, communists and capitalists and French.

I completely disagree with those who say that we need to the opposite of banning the Quran, but preach it every chance we get. Why give the Quran tremendous free advertising? Why let it occupy any portion of our thought? Why waste the time? I say throw the nonsense in the garbage, and be done with it! Move ON!

Posted by: ofcourse at August 9, 2007 8:19 PM

The PC regarding Islam is popular with many Catholics who don't know their faith. SOme people actually believe that Abraham was the founder of 3 faiths: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Jesuits can be liberal; they are the only Catholic order with more currently living NON-members than members.

But their founder was St. Ignatius Loyola--a Spainiard and a military soldier. He will be my spiritual ally and intercessor--he knows the enemy.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at August 9, 2007 10:18 PM

CapitalistGig is right - don't capitalize the koran.

JenBee - that was a great post. Yes, the hypocrisy of the Mohammedans is stunning. And this continuing "misunderstanding the koran" crap - are they such Narcissistic Supremacists that they truly think we're intellectual fools? It's unbelievable. I've studied Greek/French/German Philosophy that was so much more difficult than the stupid koran that there's no comparison!

I also hate Islam, and I hate Naziism, too. They're so alike in their Supremacist evil.

The Darkness of Islam...

Posted by: darcy at August 9, 2007 10:39 PM

"This book is full of hate and the whole religion should be banned legally from Europe."

Didn't Germany outlaw the Church of Scientology?

So maybe there is some precedent for this. Yes it will bring battles in the streets. Isn't that coming anyway?

I don't know. Nothing about Islam is pleasant to think about.

Posted by: alexon at August 9, 2007 11:26 PM

Naseem,

Thanks for the laughs as usual. I love the "light of Islam."

lol

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I think it's critical to look at the contexts of Dutch censorship and laws on so-called racism before judging Wilders' opinion. I believe he's making a point about Dutch law - if fairly applied - banning the Quran as racism. Of course it's not fairly applied and is used to quiet any opponents of unrestricted immigration to the Netherlands or critics of Islam.

For example, this book (The Downfall of the Netherlands) is only available at this one strange website because it was banned by the Dutch.

On December 16, 1992 the Pakistani cabaret artist Zoka F. was ordered to pay a sum of 2000 guilders. The Dutch judge ruled that it had been proven that his book, 'De ondergang van Nederland', published under the pseudonym 'Mohammed Rasoel' was a racist pamphlet written with the sole purpose of inciting hatred. This sentence was followed by a massive public display of political correctness with the book being taken from the shelves in most bookstores throughout the Netherlands, and quickly forgotten about.

Downfall of the Netherlands is a brilliant book by a Muslim apostate, his predictions proven true since, and banned as racism in the Netherlands. It's pretty tame next to the Quran.

Posted by: Beagle at August 9, 2007 11:27 PM

Take it to court. Let's expose the truth within the koran rather than listening to the constant taqiyya thrown at us. There would be nothing better than to test the koran in court. There is no way the koran could stand up to that sort of open investigation.

Posted by: DaveMate at August 11, 2007 2:47 PM