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They probably don't give them the choice of submitting and paying the jizya (which historically was offered to the Hindus in India after some deliberation) because there is no state apparatus in place to collect it and enforce the subjugation of these communities. "Threatening letters make their way to Peshawar," by Javed Aziz Khan in The News (thanks to Arjun):
PESHAWAR: Members of Christian and Hindu communities settled in the city have been threatened by the so-called militants through a stunning letter to convert to Islam or face suicide attacks, sources confided to The News here on Wednesday.The intimidation sent the alarm bells ringing at the headquarters of law-enforcement agencies as well as among the senior government functionaries.
The threats, according to reliable sources, were hurled to the Christian community settled in different parts of Kohati, interior city and cantonment through a number of letters. Similar letters, it is learnt, were also dispatched to the elders of Hindu community scattered in jurisdiction of West Cantonment police station.
“You are invited to embrace Islam and make your home in heaven. If you did not comply, you will be eliminated till Friday August 10,” read a letter dispatched to members of the Christian community in interior city. The dispatchers introduced themselves as members of previously unheard organisation, Al-Jihad. “It is a sensational letter that shows the non-seriousness of the dispatcher or dispatchers. The heading of the letters is ‘knock of the death’ while the rest of the text carried dialogue-like words that are generally used in films,” a senior government official, requesting anonymity, told The News about the letter received by a Hindu community member.
The senior official admitted the matter was in the knowledge of the Frontier Police high-ups who have ordered to further beef up security around the worship places and colonies of minorities in Peshawar.
Posted by Robert at August 10, 2007 5:36 AM
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...it is time for the world to unite and to begin to rescue mankind from the Islamic demons....it is time to physically persue and eliminate the Islamic thugs...it is time to eliminate Muslim immigration....
.......time wait for no one, and the time for Islamic terrorism is approaching a most violent end...and they caused it to happen....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at August 10, 2007 6:20 AM
"The senior official admitted the matter was in the knowledge of the Frontier Police high-ups who have ordered to further beef up security around the worship places and colonies of minorities in Peshawar."
.....it is bad when the minorities are attacked by Islamic thugs....it is equally bad when the minorities are attacked by Islamic thugs on the night when the government protection forces have decided to guard the other location on the night of the attack....
....although the government promises protection, have you ever noticed that the government forces are often absent when the attacks occur?.....
....it is often the case....
at August 10, 2007 6:49 AM
There are Hindus in Peshawar?
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at August 10, 2007 11:03 AM
Also, jiziya was historically an option for Hindus because there were too many, and in fact, it wasn't originally an option. In the case of Pakistan, all the religious cleansing that was required was done 60 years ago, so now, it isn't difficult for them to be accurate about excluding Hindus from that 'favored' status. Of course, I look forward to all Muslim organizations in Peshawar to condemn this group for not recognizing Christians as 'ahl al qitab' and giving them the jiziya option.
Where is that 'we're all brothers & sisters in humanity' JehanZeb now?
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at August 10, 2007 11:08 AM
Also, jiziya was historically an option for Hindus because there were too many, and in fact, it wasn't originally an option. In the case of Pakistan, all the religious cleansing that was required was done 60 years ago, so now, it isn't difficult for them to be accurate about excluding Hindus from that 'favored' status. Of course, I look forward to all Muslim organizations in Peshawar to condemn this group for not recognizing Christians as 'ahl al qitab' and giving them the jiziya option. NOT!
Where is that 'we're all brothers & sisters in humanity' JehanZeb now?
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at August 10, 2007 11:08 AM
Pakistani city: Jihadists tell Christians, Hindus to convert to Islam or face suicide attacks
So they are being given the choice of death or death? I hope if I ever face this I will have the courage to ***spit*** their words back at them and die with dignity.
Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia
at August 10, 2007 12:59 PM
...it is better to die fighting than to submit and die a slow lingering tortured filled life....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at August 10, 2007 1:45 PM
This is nothing new. Such forced conversions, demanded of all the Infidels -- Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus and others -- in whole cities or regions -- are to be found throughout the history of Islam. In Iran there was, famously, Shah Abbas II, who ordered the Jews and Armenians of a major city to convert overnight. All of the four major dynasties of Islam -- the Umayyads, the Abassids, the Fatimids, the Mamelukes -- at one time or another or4dered mass and forcible conversions. Among the Ottoman sultans, the padishahlar, Selim I, Selim II, and Murad III were among those who ordered such mass conversions, to celebrate the capture of a city, for example, or the birth of a son. So many suffered it would not make sense to dwell on this or that particular group of non-Muslims. In Egypt, there were two great periods of forced conversion of the original, Coptic inhabitants: there was one period, from 705-730, of such conversions, and then again under al-Hakim at the beginning of the 11th century (the same al-Hakim who ordered that the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem be destroyed). Still a third wave of forced conversions (alluded to fleetingly even by the philo-Islamic Max Rodenbeck in his "Cairo") of the Copots took place in 1293=1354, about which the Israeli scholar Moshe Pearlman has written.
Mary Boyce, the celebrated historian of Zoroastrianism, reports that in Turkobad, in the middle of the last century, a mass attack by Muslims on the remaining Zoroastrians, which involved surrounding the men, and demanding that they all convert, while the women and children were kept separate and threatened with every sort of cruelty and barbarism, managed to cause the forced conversions that, over time, have left what was once Zoroastrian Iran into the Muslim land, the Islamic Republic of Iran, that one sees today. How many of those "Muslims" are simply the descendants of Christians, Jews, and especially Zoroastrians, forcibly converted in the way now on display, apparently, in Peshawar. Answer: almost all.
For more on this see Bat Ye'or, "Islam and Dhimmitude," pp. 87-98, and the lengthy footnote on p. 437, note 22.
And also see that indispensable sourcebook, "The Legacy of Jihad" by Andrew Bostom.
What is reported above from Peshawar is not new; the only thing new is that it is reported.
Posted by: Hugh
at August 10, 2007 10:26 PM
Hello InfiedlPride,
Here are the stats -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan
and more worryingly ....
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/11/pakistan-hindu-girls-forced-to-convert.html
regards,
FcUk
at August 12, 2007 4:37 AM
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