It appears to be time for some civil disobedience.

OT but related to civil disobedience/

I've been thinking that those of us near afghani restaurants (kebob places for instance) ought to protest the kidnapping of the South Korean Christians in front of said restaurants.

Perhaps the Korean churches can get involved.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at August 14, 2007 7:48 PM

Sorry, Doc, but you have to leave the building to eat; they can hear you chewing.

What's the next step, forcing everyone to fast? Closing the cafeteria because Mohammedans can smell food? How about turning off the water because drinking during Ramadan is verboten?

Does the cart have ham and pork available or have they stopped that also?

Posted by: Pelayo at August 14, 2007 7:53 PM

I think the fasting doc's should be banned.
Nothin'like a hungry,cranky,angry Muslim making medical decisions.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at August 14, 2007 7:57 PM

Things oft gang agley, one realizes, but the particular things now doing so in Scotland do so to very bad effect.

Posted by: Hugh at August 14, 2007 8:07 PM

Please can someone help me? I have just found an article on an austrian site (a wellknown austrian newspaper, the Standard.at), that there are police investigations takig place against channel 4 because of those undercover mosque series.

Does anybody knwo anything about these investigations?

Here you have the article:
http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=2992351

and here those undercover mosque stories:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/youtube-has-uks-undercover-mosque

I would love to find out more about these investigations.

Thanks

Posted by: Kybeline at August 14, 2007 8:09 PM

Good Gawd...Give me a f*ing break!!!

I have a medical condition that periodically prohibits me from eating, and if I can it's a small snack when I can.

I guess there's now precedence for me to claim offense ANYTIME someone eats in the office.

Others doctors are protesting BIGTIME...and the Salmond is pushing independence from the UK. The SNP is fighting the right battles at the right time.

GO SCOTLAND!!!

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at August 14, 2007 8:15 PM

Someone please answer me this:

I assume the doctors and other health professionals are employed by the government.

Could this not result in a massive lawsuit against the government? They are demanding that these health professionals observe and practive a religion that is not their own.

Sounds like a class action lawsuit to me for infringing on their civil rights?

Any opinions?

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at August 14, 2007 8:23 PM

Any Muslim that would be offended by someone else eating their lunch while they choose not to eat during the daylight hours of rama-dama-ding-dong is a Muslim that has just proven itself to be quite a narrow minded life form that should immediately apply for a job with a Muslim advocate group.

Posted by: Prickzilla at August 14, 2007 8:24 PM

This won’t stand. A couple of years ago in Melbourne Australia, a Mohammedan on a local city council banned ham sandwiches from the council cafeteria. He had to back down following a public outcry. Always remember, Mohammedans thrive on our weakness.

Posted by: PAS at August 14, 2007 8:37 PM

The basic assumption of this ridiculous ruling is that Islam is a superior religion whose teachings and practices must be followed by everyone. Some doctor is going to be hungry during the day shift, and he or she is going to pull out a sandwich and start eating...then what? We might find out how far sharia law has grown itself, like a cancerous tumor, into the laws of Scotland. This one will be interesting to watch.

Posted by: maryrose at August 14, 2007 8:42 PM

Kybeline:
I would love to find out more about these investigations.

Dhimmiwatch reported on it a few days back:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017693.php#comments

Surprisingly, even the left-liberal Guardian newspaper carried a good article criticising the investigation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2147135,00.html

Posted by: Matamoros at August 14, 2007 8:52 PM

"It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." Declaration of Arbroath, 1320

Oh where have the mighty scots gone...

"We have recently agreed a quality and diversity strategy and as a responsible and pro-active employer we will continue to promote a positive culture which recognises and respects diversity both in our workforce and in the people we serve." NHS Lothian, 2007 (from the story)

Somewhere Edward is laughing his ass off.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at August 14, 2007 8:54 PM

Surely the whole point to fasting at Ramadan is to demonstrate that one is able to do so, is able to refrain from eating. And part of the effort should be to withstand temptation. It is idiotic to insist that non-Muslims refrain from eating, in other words idiotic, and cruel, and sinister, to ask them essentially to participate in some way in Ramadan, by themselves refraining from a meal. The adherents of no other religion ask that those not of that religion strictly observe, in order not to tempt, those observing certain religious dietary restrictions. Catholics during Lent did not demand that non-Catholics avoid eating meat; Jews do not demand that non-Jews refrain from eating pork, say, in the school cafeteria; Hindus do not insist that non-Hindu colleagues abstain from the meat of cattle. Only in the case of Muslims must the whole world join in.

And as bears repeating, this is absurd. Religiously-prompted dietary rules are occasions for demonstrating one's self-control. What self-control is being demonstrated if Muslims noisily and aggressively insist that non-Muslms must do nothing to provide "temptation" to the fasting Muslims?

Absurd, and disgusting. But no longer surprising.

As for this Muslim "consultancy" Meem, apparently spreading the Good Word about Islam far and wide all over Scotland, the Scottish Parliament should stop throwing money its way, and so should every other institution in Scotland. There has to be a stop, full stop, put to such demeaning and stupid acceptance of Muslim demands, or Muslim "advice" as to how to "win" Muslim hearts and Muslim minds.

Throw out all those political leaders who think this kind of thing is to be tolerated or, still worse, encouraged. Vote them out. No matter how much you agree with them on other issues, if they are appeasement-minded when it comes to Islam, they represent a menace to you that outweighs any conceivable good they might do. Their party does not matter. Vote them out.

Posted by: Hugh at August 14, 2007 9:02 PM

In the heart of Midlothian, does the Heart of Midlothian still beat?

This is sheer insanity. Perhaps the cowards in the West deserve to be colonized by the most vile and hideous pall of Islam.

Posted by: jsla at August 14, 2007 9:16 PM

Probing for infidel weaknesses.

A lawsuit for a "hatecrime" here.

A demand that Scots not eat during Ramadan there.

Riots over Danish Mo-toons here.

A priest murdered because the Pope quoted an early Church figure's debate point about Mohammad's decision to spread Islam by the sword as an evil there.

Probing, and finding many weaknesses.

All based on the infidels' ignorance of the dogmas of the violent Koran.

Trying to show tolerance blindly and uncritically.

But-

Tolerance of the intolerant is cowardice.

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 14, 2007 9:23 PM

DOCTORS and health workers have been banned from eating lunch at their desks - in case it offends their Muslim colleagues.

Surely the correct response to this diktat would be for every member of staff to start eating their lunches at their desks?

I had a look into Meem, the organisation which, according to the Express story, recommended the above measure to the Glasgow Health Service.

Meem describes itself as "Scotland's Muslim Consultancy", which is "leading the way in developing and delivering training programmes which focus on diversity around Race, Religion & Cultures."

It can "help your organisation remain compliant with legislation and assess the potential impact of your approach within a diverse society," and works with "organisations at local, national and international level; engaging actively in promoting social cohesion as well as influencing policy development".

http://www.meem.biz/index.htm

So, in plain language, it dispenses da'wah in business suits. And it goes down well, as this happy attendee of its Islam and Muslims seminar shows:

"The course was extremely informative. This one-day course provided valuable insights into a unique cultural and religious way of life within the Scottish community. The facilitators provided opportunities for questioning, debate and discussion in an informal and relaxed atmosphere."

"This is a course that is thought provoking and stimulating. It will help me to do my job better."

No mention was made, I'm sure, of the words dhimmi, kufaar, taqiyya or jizya, and certainly no awkward questions from attendees about those passages of the Koran and the Hadith which cause infidels such alarm.

The site states that "86% of Scots questioned know little or nothing about Islam and Muslims." But I'm sure Meem are working hard to change this. Now, shall we begin? Islam is a religion of peace...

Posted by: Matamoros at August 14, 2007 9:33 PM

I am breathlessly waiting for meem and other organizations to show some cultural sensitivities towards hindus. first we begin by not allowing any beef products in work and schools. next place must be set aside for a small hindu temple with idols of ram and krishna.
I wonder how this will go down with the diverse multicultral muslim crowds in uk?

Posted by: desidude at August 14, 2007 10:16 PM

Will there be a manditory moratorium on the bombing of Scot airports and plotting jihad by Muslim doctors?

My Scot ancestors who fought and died for Scot freedom are crying out from their graves 'Spero Meliora'.

Posted by: Shakey_Premise at August 14, 2007 10:17 PM

"...It will help me to do my job better."

-Good Dhimmi.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at August 14, 2007 10:17 PM

I am breathlessly waiting for meem and other organizations to show some cultural sensitivities towards hindus. first we begin by not allowing any beef products in work and schools. next place must be set aside for a small hindu temple with idols of ram and krishna.
I wonder how this will go down with the diverse multicultral muslim crowds in uk?

Posted by: desidude at August 14, 2007 10:17 PM

I believe, from reading this story elsewhere, that this was an advisory, not an order. It simply said doctors might want to avoid eating at their desks, not that "they must not eat at their desks".

Still, advice can be taken or ignored. I would ignore it. Better still, I would snack constantly throughout the day, especially while talking to muslim staff.

Besides, I heard that muslims involved in important work - doctors are in this category - don't have to fast at ramadan. So they should all really just shut up and keep their religion private.

Posted by: Holy Wart at August 14, 2007 10:24 PM

Time for the Scots to don the kilts and liberate their country yet again. Where's William Wallace when you need him?

Posted by: GetBornAgain at August 14, 2007 10:32 PM

Miss_Anthrope

not sure if you were being sarcastic when you mentioned the SNP doing the right thing with independence?

the SNP are an openly pro-islamic immigration. if and when they get into power they will open the flood gates of heavy taxation for the destruction of scottish national identity. ie, high taxes to pay for socialised NHS, schooling adn mass unenforced immigration.

unlike other nationalist groups in europe, the SNP's name is really a diversion and they are a far left socialist party. not only do they want independence from the UK but they also desire independence from scotland's history and cultural identity.

the last thing that the UK needs is a break up of the union and an extreme left wing party in power over scotland.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at August 14, 2007 11:02 PM

the SNP and "scottish" muslims. from the muslim discussion forum
http://forum.mpacuk.org/archive/index.php?t-21219.html

the muslims are pushing for the Scottish national party to win.

"He said the SNP was the best party in Scotland to represent Muslim interests and that its line on Iraq, Palestine and on the war on terror was the most acceptable of all the major Scottish parties.

Tamimi, who met with SNP leader Alex Salmond in London, added: "We have been angered by the hypocrisy of the Labour and Liberal politicians and we have been impressed by the warm and welcoming attitude of the SNP."

Addressing a conference on Muslim activism held at Glasgow Caledonian University yesterday, Tamimi said international issues such as the occupation of Palestine, the war in Iraq and the war on terror affected the way Muslims were treated in everyday life.

"Therefore, these international issues were really local ones for many, many Muslims. Their daily lives have been engulfed by them."

Tamimi said that Muslims should also judge candidates on an individual basis and use their vote to fight for causes important to the Muslim community. He urged those attending yesterday's conference to boycott any MP who had voted in favour of the war in Iraq.

Peter Wishart, SNP MP, said the party's Asian wing was its fastest growing section. "These comments come as no great surprise to me at all, " he said.

"There is a close affinity between those from the subcontinent who secured their independence over 50 years ago - they recognise the same type of ambition in the SNP. I'm sure that these comments represent a mainstream Islamic view."

Osama Saeed, Scottish spokesperson from the Muslim Association of Great Britain (MAB), said that they advocated voting on a candidateby- candidate basis.

However, he said research done by Glasgow University had shown that support for the SNP has shot up among the Muslim population from 14per cent in 2001 to 49per cent in 2003.

"The SNP do reflect what Muslims think on many of the issues that are closest to them and as long as they continue to hold these positions then they will enjoy support among the Muslim population in Scotland, " he said."

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at August 14, 2007 11:06 PM

Remember the girl who was beaten by her classmates for eating lunch during ramadan and then was 'forgiven' since she was menstruating.

And this boy who got 85 lashes for eating, and then died.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003943.php

Posted by: Borg at August 14, 2007 11:33 PM

This is one of the most outrageous stories I've ever seen on this site. I hope it's not true or is swiftly rescinded. Will Christians be forbidden to wear crosses around their neck to avoid offending Muslims? Or wishing each other Merry Christmas?

One thing that strikes me is the way administrators eagerly anticipate the slightest Muslim whim without actual Muslims even showing up to make their whims known.

Posted by: sceptico at August 14, 2007 11:40 PM

So this is what led the Muslim doctors to try to blow things up—coworkers eating during Ramadan.

Orthodox Christians are expected to do some sort of fast almost half of the year: Wednesdays and Fridays, The Great Fast (=Lent), Sts. Peter and Paul Fast, the Dormition Fast (which ends tomorrow), The Nativity Fast, and a few others. Mostly these fasts are only no animal products (meat, dairy & eggs), but a few of them are much stricter. These fasts are seen as helpful not obligatory. Health problems, youth, old age, travel, and to be hospitable can oblige one to not fast.

Muslims only fast one month out of year and can eat whatever they want all night? They have it easy. But then again, they borrowed the fasting rules of local Christian monks who ate their bread and vegetables only in the late evening.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 15, 2007 12:10 AM

I hope this comment from the Daily Express comments section is a joke...

[-]

IT'S A GOOD START
14.08.07, 8:34pm

After the homegrown violence this year we should be asking ourselves what we can do to better integrate our Muslim citizens. It is not as if British civilisation is going to collapse from a few accommodations to make Muslims less self conscious about their unique status.

Unfortunately this latest move did not help enough. It created new problems. Now that meal carts and working lunch is banned Muslims will be left alone in the office while their coworkers go out to eat together. Muslim health care workers will be missing out on important social networking opportunities that their non-Muslim coworkers receive. We need a solution for that. We should instead encourage non-Muslims to try sharing their Muslim coworkers' experience of fasting. It might be difficult the first year or two but eventually it will become familiar.

• Posted by: JonTh •

[-]

sounds like Naseem

Posted by: Borg at August 15, 2007 12:21 AM

IT'S A GOOD START -Borg

If this became policy, I think I would always have some foodstuff on my person clearly labeled "Ham" or "Pork", even if I didn't, or couldn't, eat it.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 15, 2007 12:30 AM

Once again, political correctness is allowed to run out of control. It is time for all people around the world to get their heads out of the sand and say NO More TO THIS GARBAGE!

Posted by: Christian at August 15, 2007 12:56 AM

I live in Indonesia and they do not offer such advice to non Muslims. I eat constantly during Ramadan and If I offend anyone, so be it. This is madness. I thought the Scots had more balls than this....

Posted by: squadcarbob at August 15, 2007 1:28 AM

My biggest fear is Scotland closing down their alcoholic distilleries.

Posted by: Shy Guy at August 15, 2007 2:29 AM

BASTA! ASSEZ! GENUG! ENOUGH!

On the afternoon of the Tuesday 11th September, people from all over Europe (and possibly further afield) will be meeting in Brussels despite the ban on the demonstration against Sharia Law.

You can find out more information on "sioe.wordpress.com'

STOP THE ISLAMIFICATION OF EUROPE.

Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred at August 15, 2007 3:32 AM

@Posted by: Matamoros at August 14, 2007 8:52 PM

Thanks a lot, Matamoros

The international media didn't took any notice of it.

I try to give it now som other:

french swiss, german, hungarian...

Posted by: Kybeline at August 15, 2007 3:44 AM

Several readers have mentioned the SNP.

I would just like to point out that if Scotland fell
even further into their evil alliance with the Islamists then it would be like living in Gaza.

I predict a mass exodus of people from this once proud nation!

Some of us are fighting back I spoke to a Glasgow woman yesterday and she said that all the people in her block are boycotting the Asian shops after what happened at the Airport.

I suggest a boycott of all organisation that over employee or are owned by Muslims. It's one way to get your country back!

Posted by: raz at August 15, 2007 4:05 AM

Thats a good point, I hope these Muslim doctors are not performing operations when fasting. Lack of concentration, poor memory etc and these will get worse if they fast!

Posted by: BlowHammed at August 15, 2007 5:10 AM

"There has to be a stop, full stop, put to such demeaning and stupid acceptance of Muslim demands,......."

Posted by: Hugh

....ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.......

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 15, 2007 6:05 AM

OT

Philipines to give Muslims a homeland

http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/08/filipinos-cavin.html

Posted by: Elric66 at August 15, 2007 6:17 AM

Coming soon ...

Dhimmiheart - the movie

Starring Alex Salmond as dhimmi-in-chief Abdul bin Wallace, who fights for the rights of the oppressed Muslims of Scotland as they cower under the yoke of Christian fundamentalism.

Also starring Abu Hamza as Robert-Al-Bruce.

Look for a cameo performance by Mel Gibson as the evil Crusader Edward I.

Posted by: watling at August 15, 2007 7:01 AM

If Muslims seemed a little more concerned with not offending our culture, I might be able to go along with this.

If a Muslim came and said Ramadan is proving harder for him to keep this year and personally asked me if I could eat elsewhere, I probably would.

My employer making wild rules mandating my eating behaviour that cater to a minority and effectively force people to accomodate themselves to their beliefs? No way. They have created no good will. They have offended. They have created resentment.

Personally, I used to eat right in front of a Muslim during Ramadan—he actually seemed to like it. He seemed to be waiting for the inevitable clueless comment, "Hey, aren'tcha gonna eat?" to tell everyone who couldn't get away about Ramadan and the *choke* glories of Islam.

Hugh makes a good point: Many other religions fast or limit their diet in some way—shouldn't we cater to them also? Oh. But those religions don't blow themselves up all the time.

Many Orthodox Christians around the world have not been eating meat for the last two weeks. Did you know that? Didn't you see the Television coverage, the newspaper articles? Didn't you see the protests and wild mobs angry at all the meat eaters affronting their beliefs? Their weren't any mobs? Surely the new wave of suicide bombers clued you in that something was different. Oh. You say there were no suicide bombers. You say the Orthodox Christians really didn't care that others ate meat around them and really tried not to make any big deal out of it? How cute.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 15, 2007 7:14 AM

When my father was a child, their was a brief fashion craze where the boys didn't wear belts. The school officials made a rule that boys had to wear belts. So they wore them over one shoulder and hanging across the chest like a bandolier.

Has anyone issued a rule that prevents these doctors from eating in the hallways?

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 15, 2007 7:24 AM

The key question should be, "why are you worried about offending Muslims by eating"? How will the Muslisms react?

Posted by: Elric66 at August 15, 2007 8:36 AM

Can somebody send Mr Bill Aitken and Mr Tom Fullerton copies of Mr Spencer's three latest books? (The Christianity and Islam one, the Truth About Mohammed, and the PIG to Islam and the Crusades?). They are sounding an alarm of sorts: they need solid info for ammunition.

If I were one of those Scottish doctors I'd be engaging in some conspicuous consumption at my desk - a nice juicy chunk of haggis and a large pot of tea - with a beautiful bottle of the finest uisge beatha (water of life, i.e. WHISKEY) prominently displayed, just to make it quite, quite clear - No Dhimmis Here.

Speaking as one who is half-Scots by ancestry - and some of them were Fullertons, of Perthshire, so Mr Tom Fullerton who wrote the article is probably a distant cousin - I hope and pray that the fire that drove Robert the Bruce and William Wallace, and the Covenanters, and the redoubtable Knox, may be swiftly rekindled.

Can one even begin to imagine what Robbie Burns would have had to say? What torrents of fury would he have poured out at the very idea of Scotland the Brave acquiescing in any way, shape or form to the manners of the Mohammedans?

Where is the modern-day John Knox who will dare a sizzling pamphlet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Mohammedans?

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 15, 2007 8:54 AM

“The idea is to get faith in the workplace out in the open“ - Na’eem Raza

No, not faith, just The Faith.
Many years ago, I worked in Saudi Arabia. During Ramadan, non-Muslims were not allowed to eat or drink or smoke during daylight hours, The reason given was that if we were to do so and were seen by Muslims then we might tempt them to break their fast.
So, we would rise before dawn for breakfast and then head for work, where we would get by as
best we could until the effects of dehydration exhausted the Muslim workers to where they
would go home, or fall asleep in their offices. Then we could relax a bit, use the drinking fountains, which had not been disconnected, and have a bit of a nibble, while smokers might find a concealed spot to light up.
When I finally returned to the UK, in my more paranoid moments I would worry that one day
we would live under the same restrictions. As the years have passed, so my paranoia has come to seem more reasonable, but it is still a shock to read something like this.
It is possible that doctors and health workers eat at their desks because they are lonely and dysfunctional individuals who have no-one to share a meal with, but i am going to take a wild guess here and suggest that they do so because they are busy people whose schedules are frequently disrupted by incidents demanding their immediate attention.
A short break with a drink and sandwich may not be much of meal, but it may be all that they can grab. And if they have wander through, or out, of a large building to find it, then some of them will just carry on working, to the detriment of their performance. Things will be particularly difficult when Ramadan falls during summer, with the sun rising very early and setting very late. At least in Saudi the summer days are a bit shorter....!
Like many people who the SNP would label as “English”, I do have Scottish blood, and part of me is seething with anger and resentment at this servile and foolish behaviour. “After the Glasgow attack this is very important“. Yeah, right.

Posted by: M Al-Content at August 15, 2007 9:00 AM

Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim'rous dhimmi,
O, what a panic you're in, Jimmy,
Th need na accept it awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering conformity!
I wad be laith to rin an' force thee,
Tae convert tae Islam wi' murd'ring pattle!

I'm truly sorry Muhammad's dominion
Has broken Scotland's social union,
An' justifies that ill opinion,
Which makes thee startle
At me, thy poor, Alex Salmond,
Soon to be known as Abdul!

(apologies to Robert Burns)

Posted by: watling at August 15, 2007 9:37 AM

The price of propping up socialist nanny states with the importation of Mohammedan hoardes = dhimmification of the non-Mohammedan populus.

Socialized medicine's ultimate = dhimmification.

Billary's agenda for socialized medicine for all Americans = importation of more Mohammedans = American dhimmification.

So far, we've been lucky in America that we have Mexico to our south with its impoverished and ambitious workers. We CAN correct what is wrong with our immigration system if we start now. Then, adopt a Mexican over Mohammedan rule. Even though I fear what NAFTA and the NAU will do to our culutural identity, it would be far better in the long run to dilute our cultural and political power by incorporating Canada and Mexico, than by incorporating the citizenry of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Pakistan, and a host of other countries dominated by the Mohammedan cult.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at August 15, 2007 9:45 AM

Socialist medicine's ultimate cost = dhimmification.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at August 15, 2007 9:47 AM

It appears that Western norms and mores are always reacting to the attempted insinuation of Moslem norms and mores into everyday Western life. This is a defensive posture and no matter how capable the defense, is bound ultimately to give way over time. And that would be a great loss to the West and humanity, in my view.

Perhaps because the demands made by the Moslem community upon the host communities are so new, so unexpected, indeed so audacious, perhaps on these counts proper responses are slow in coming. How much better it would be to anticipate and have ready at hand policies that protect the interests, or perhaps better to say the disinterests, of non-Moslems from enforced observation of Moslem customs.

This encroachment on Western life must be stopped, by representatives who recognize it for the attack it is. I personally believe in tolerance. Tolerance allows that there are some who are different from oneself, and that basic accommodation can be made for them to live unharrassed. But their rights end at the tip of my nose. And tolerance by no means acceptance, that is, no individual is under any obligation to make the beliefs and mores of another group part of their own belief system.

Moslems and all others are to be tolerated so long as they obey the law and in turn show tolerance towards others. The demands made by Moslems in Scotland are intolerant and need to be rescinded. Moreover, governments throughout the West need to proactively work through the likely attempts of imposing Moslem-biased policies on the non-Moslem population, interdicting them with sound unambiguously non-sectarian policies based on Western traditions, not the invading Moslem traditions. And if this causes your Moslem co-worker to lose his smile, it perhaps goes to show what was behind that smile all along.

We, the electorates of each and every democratic country, are responsible for making this an issue for each and every election, local and general. Democracy is us.

Posted by: Chatillon at August 15, 2007 10:28 AM

Who are the "boggin' bampots" running the show in the once great and proud Scotland these days? Whoever they are, they should be "on the bru" before day's end.

If Scotland submits to dhimmitude, Europe will surely fall.

Posted by: awake at August 15, 2007 10:41 AM

I'd be eatin' ham sandwiches, porketta subs, Hell, I'd even bring in some pigs feet. After that month I'd have to go on a diet, because, I'd be eating at every chance I had. I'm allowed, its my religion. Just like mohamed, I just made up my own religion.

Posted by: americanmadestrat at August 15, 2007 10:48 AM

If I thought one more concession, giving up one more thing would magically make Muslims suddenly decide to show an equal willingness to get along... . If it would cause them to enter and keep a gentleman's agreement to "agree to disagree" ... . If it would foster mutual respect and a desire to live among us in a civil and well-mannered way ... . If one more concession could do this, I might go along with it. But when has any concession given to the Muslims led to anything but more grief and more concessions? I say give them nothing.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 15, 2007 11:24 AM

http://www.meem.biz/index.htm

So, in plain language, it dispenses da'wah in business suits. And it goes down well, as this happy attendee of its Islam and Muslims seminar shows:
[...]
Posted by: Matamoros

You did some real informative research there. I checked their site and it's scary.. so Orwellian.

To think they're MAKING MONEY off of the very Scots whom they are in the process of enslaving..

..it is SO Matrix-like..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 15, 2007 2:12 PM

Don't get your knickers in a twist, people. Do you really believe that the employees of this health authority will follow this stupid guideline? They will ignore it and if the higher ups try to enforce it the workers will make their lives hell! The NHS depends on people working unpaid hours. Bring in this rule and everyone will simply insist on taking their full lunch break at the same time every day or they'll eat in the hallways. The employees will bring action against the authority on behalf of diabetics or those who have to take meds with food. Believe me when I say this will end long before the end of Ramadan. Of course, when it does end the newspapers will not report it.

Posted by: clipper at August 15, 2007 2:40 PM

I used to work for the largest board of education in my province. I don't know how a hospital or health-care organization is run in Canada or in Scotland.

Where I worked, group-think and conformity were essential. If you didn't agree, then the wisest course of action was to fake it and act as if you agreed. Being open and upfront didn't earn you any respect: it got you into trouble. The sneaky people won out every time.

So, if the board of education's diversity group issued, in writing, or via official email, a request that all employees refrain from eating at their desks during Ramadan, that would not have been the same as a nice little "request" that left room for individual choice. Perhaps, legally, they could not enforce it but, in the workplace, they certainly could.

My boss was big on "insubordination". That would get you "disciplined" in a hurry. (Disciplinary meeting with the appropriate officials, written report in your personnel file, all requirements to begin the process of firing you if they so desire.)

You could also be disciplined for not getting along with your co-workers, not being enough of a "team player". Cultural sensitivity is an important "workplace value" in such environments.

The heads of departments want to look good to each other and, most importantly, to their bosses, so it is essential that their underlings all toe the party line and make them look like shining examples of fine bureaucrats and administrators. It will not do to have employee rebellion and open disrespect.

Someone eating at his desk during Ramadan in such a workplace would be perceived as provocative, insensitive, not a team player, not sharing workplace cultural values, and possibly even guilty of insubordination. As such, this employee would likely be disciplined.

This employee would then have to watch his back for the remainder of his employment.

If I worked in this type of environment and was "requested" not to eat at my desk during Ramadan, I would consult a lawyer and my union rep (assuming my union wasn't CUPE, which is openly sympathetic to the "Palestinian" Muslim cause and hostile towards Israel) before I defied the request.

Because, really, if your employer is asking you not to eat at your desk for any reason, then your employer is stating that you must be given sufficient time to eat in the cafeteria or lunchroom. So you wouldn't have a good excuse not to comply.

In all such matters, it is vital to know not only what the law says but also what will stand up in a court of law and the cost of such a legal battle, if it should come to that.

Unless, of course, it is easy to find another job elsewhere at the same rate of compensation without a recommendation from one's current employer.

Posted by: Josephine at August 15, 2007 2:50 PM

..seminar at the MEEM site:
"This unique seminar is designed specifically for those who come into contact with Muslims regularly and need to understand their culture and way of life.

The seminar endeavours to provide an insight into the Muslim way of life; their beliefs; their practices and the issues that Muslims and those in contact with Muslims can expect to face and endeavour to overcome."

..resistance is futile ..you WILL endeavour to overcome any issues YOU have with muslim beliefs, practices and way of life..YOU will be assimilated..

Posted by: Madduck at August 15, 2007 2:51 PM

Josephine,

I remember being "asked" by a manager to attend a meeting outside of work hours. I asked, "Is it mandatory?" "Oh, no. It's voluntary." "So I really don't have to attend." "Oh, no. You have to be there." "So it is mandatory." "Um, no." "So I can skip it?" "No."

That bizarre exchange almost made the meeting worthwhile.

Not eating at your desk may be voluntary and "mandatory" at the same time.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 15, 2007 3:14 PM

What does worry me here is that doctors while they are fasting, with diminished capabilities are in charge of life and death decisions, prescribing medications, making a diagnosis, maybe operations where the utmost concentration is required.

This is unwise. Patients life is at risk. Doctors, and surgeons who fast, should be on leave with full pay.
Then others can have their sandwiches at work. Everybody wins.

Posted by: pr126 at August 15, 2007 3:18 PM

"Doctors, and surgeons who fast, should be on leave with full pay." --from above

I do not agree. One's personal beliefs should under no circumstances be a matter of public subsidy. Those physicians who fast out of religious devotion should make it clear to their patients that they are doing so and let the patients make up their own mind as to the doctor's competence.

As well, Ramadan fasting shifts the time for meals towards the hours after sunset and does not necessarily involve a reduction of caloric intake over the daily cycle. This is in contrast to Lenten fasting, where one really does cut back. Moreover, the fuss made about fasting, about Moslems drawing attention to their own devotion as evidenced by fasting durng Ramadan, stands in stark contrast to the norms of the Judeo-Christian tradition (see for example Matt. 6:16-18), which is simply to say that Western traditions are clearly not the same as Islamic traditions. Islam is all about forcing everyone everywhere to declare its wonderfulness. It arrogates all virtue to itself. On the basis of the many virtuous non-Moslems with whom I am acquainted, I find that attitude passably bizarre.

Posted by: Chatillon at August 15, 2007 4:26 PM

"Not eating at your desk may be voluntary and 'mandatory' at the same time." Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia

Exactly.

Posted by: Josephine at August 15, 2007 7:17 PM

..ware's me haggis..mmmmm haggis..slurp..masticate..mmm haggis..halal haggis
natch..

Posted by: Madduck at August 15, 2007 8:32 PM

Perhaps meem would be interested in the Christian response to what they are asking the workers of the NHS to do:

Matthew 6:16-18
16 "When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Seems pretty obvious to me!

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at August 15, 2007 10:00 PM

I'm not a Christian since my parents left the Church before i was born.. BUT.. if I was a doctor in Scotland.. i woulkd NOT ONLY wear a Crucifix but ALSo a STAR OF DAVID and I would EAT whatever the F•CK I wanted to at my desk..

And I'd challenge them to FIRE me!!

I bet there's be a pretty damn nice SETTLMENT in store for mew with the right lawyer pre4senting my case!!!

These moFoes sure have SOME GALL to tell ANY of US Europeans what and where we can eat!!!!

And a GIANT POX UPON these cowardly dastardly Quislings within all our midst for aiding and abetting these gruesome BEASTS in their fiendish endeavour to capture our HOLY EUROPEAN LANDS for themselves!!

Yes, I **HATE** moslems with ALL MY HEART and I am NOT at all ashamed to say that I do!!

Good luck to You, Scotsmen and women.. and MAY GOD BE WITH YOU!!!

I know all of us at Jihadwatch and LGF and all of the anti-jihadist movements worldwide.. we are on YOUR SIDE, Brave and valiant SCOTS!!!

Let's ROLL, muthaf•ckaz!!!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 15, 2007 10:03 PM

For goodness sake guys-think! Just stop and think a minute! First of all it was one health board that started this charade (Lothian and Borders)and it was not an order, it was a suggestion, (which no one in the health service, except perhaps the odd manager has the slightest intention of carrying out) Secondly, for that to work they would have to stop feeding the patients! The food trolleys go round for breakfast, lunch, dinner and tea! Can you imagine the public outcry there would be if old Auntie Jessie hadn't been fed during daylight hours for a month? Can you imagine the deaths there would be? As usual the MSM stirring things up promoting love and peace to those "other" well known followers of the lovely "religion of peace". ( small letters deliberate and sarcasm full on concerning the r.o.p)

Straight from Scotland
Via "Rookie"

Posted by: rookie at August 15, 2007 10:05 PM

the SNP and "scottish" muslims. from the muslim discussion forum
http://forum.mpacuk.org/archive/index.php?t-21219.html

the muslims are pushing for the Scottish national party to win.

WHY THE FOOOCK do they EVEN VOTE IN OUR LANDS..??!! They don't vote at home and if they do the vote is rigged and everyone knows the outcome.

WE don't vote in THEIR lands... so WHY the FOOOO*Ck are they even allowed to vote in ours??!!

I don't CARE **WHERE** they are born.. SO WHAT???!!!

An enemy REMAINS an enemy!!!!

WHY the FOOO**CK are our mortal ENEMIES voting in OUR HOLY BEAUTIFUL GREEN LANDS???!!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 15, 2007 10:08 PM

For Great comet - " For so long as a hundred of us are still alive, we never will in any degree be subject to the dominion of the English.Since it is not for riches nor for honours or for glory that we fight but for liberty alone - which no good man loses but with his life."
Abbot Bernard de Linton.
The year of our Lord
1320.
Watling. Your poem and comments were hilarious! They are already winging there way across the world by e-mail as I type.

Read the post by Raz.This is the prevalent attitude in Scotland. So all you guys who have Scottish ancestors can rest assured they sleep in peace.

By the way, don't bother about the SNP, they won the election the same way Wee Geordie did in Florida.

Posted by: rookie at August 15, 2007 10:26 PM

Sorry, but reading their comments in the link one of our Brave Jihadwatchers provided earlier JUST GETS ME ***HOT*** I mean that as in HOT with ANGER!!!

They do NOT need to VOTE in any of OUR Green and HOLY European LANDS!!!

These lands are OUR LANDS!!!

WE decide what goes here and what doesn't!!!

Being a moslem should be grouds for IMMEDIATE loss of a person's vote for one!!

If it were up to ME being a moslem would be grounds for IMMEDIATE and irrevocable DEPORTATION!!

I really don't care if this offends the "moderate" moozeleeeeemz.. Go SCREW yerselves and BACK TO THE BOGZ would be even BETTER!!

NOONE IN EUROPE WANTS YOU!!!!

Get it ALREADY!!!

You are being WARNEd right here!!!

When the shit hits the fan.. YOU will get a TAN!!!

So.. GET OUT while you CAN!!!

Good advice to you moooozleeeeeeeemz from a European "infidel" who LOVES to drink LOADS of BEER each and EVERY night and I **love** my PORK CHOPS and my BBQ... and my ROAST PORK and 'le sanglier'..

Alors les musulmanes.. FOUTTEZ-LE-CANT already, biatches!!!

Wir WOLLEN Euch hier NICHT!!!

Nous ne vous veulent PAS ici en Europe!!

The DAy we have you all the HELL out of here we will have a GIANT WILD BOAR ROAST just like Asterix and Obelix!! Complete with WINE and WILD SLUTTY WOMENS..!!

I want ALL of Europe FREE of mooozleeeem garbage.. Including ALL OF SERBIA and ALL OF GREECE.. that includes Thracia!!

I better STOP before I REALLY get STARTED!!

LOL

Screw dem!! Burn dem!!

And remember ONE thing.. ***THEY*** are the infidels in the EYES of GOD!!

NOT US!!

They violate Divinity of whatever form it may be each and every day!!

They are manifest Satan on EARTH!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 15, 2007 10:35 PM

Just look at how these sons of BAAL are talking about Northeren Ireland.. it's ENOUGH to make you SICK for life:

[especially the FIRST paragraph]

As for Northern Ireland, there has been some immigration in the last decade, but its still a largely Christian region. The main parties are:

DUP: Democratic Unionist Party, isn't officially with the conservative party these days but still remain close ties, naturally they support staying in the UK.

SF: Sinn Fein, the major republican party that wishes to see NI joined to the Republic of Ireland although their involvement with the IRA has always put a strain on things.

SDLP: Social Democratic and Labour Party, a much less extreme party than Sinn Fein, its still republican though. It tends to sit with the Labour Party.

UUP: Ulster Unionist Party, used to be the main unionist party, its pretty much been replaced by DUP, it hit 1 seat in the 2005 election which was a big blow to them.

Alliance: The party that tries to be the middle ground, they have a half dozen seats in the assembly but have never hit a seat at westminster.

UK Unionist Party: A smaller Unionist Party that goes as far as saying there should be no NI regional assembly (another "UKIP" which ends up getting the seats that it wants to get rid of).

There has been some immigration but it's still largely Christian??!!! And they are THAT candid about their aims!!!!

I am NOT ready for all of this my friends!! The GALL these people have is simply astounding!!! They KNOW NO BOUNDS!!!

Progressive Unionist Party: A small left wing unionist party, the other unionist parties are all centre-right to right wing.

The Alliance Party is probably the best bet, as its pretty much the only non-sectarian party there, the rest either fall into Catholic or Protestant.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 15, 2007 10:40 PM

APS.. I am a German [as regulars on JW may already know :-)] and I will GLADLY DIE IN YOUR DEFENSE, SCOTLAND!! And I KNOW I am not the only one!!

We ALL are DAMN SICK AND TIRED of their presumptuousness and their racism!!

We shall NOT be Assimilated!!!!

SCREW alla the satanic moon god!!

OUT!!!!!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 15, 2007 10:43 PM

Did anyone see this SH*T..??

Things are getting nuttier by the day!

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C01%5C10%5Cstory_10-1-2007_pg7_36

A WHAT???!!! in WHERE??!! Why don't you open a small piece of Hell in every Church on Earth??

EUROPE is HOLY!!

moslems DEFILE it by their very presence.

I've REALLY had enough and I know I am NOT the only one!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 15, 2007 11:19 PM

when has any concession given to the Muslims led to anything but more grief and more concessions? I say give them nothing.
Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia

I say give them ONE thing: A big FAT KICK in the burka!!!

Europeans, mark my words!

If we don't KICK THEM out NOW.. they will one day Kick US out of our very own ancestral LANDS!!

And do NOT think the UN will help US in any way, my brothers!!

They are 100% Turd-world and islamist-controlled.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 15, 2007 11:36 PM

"Doctors, and surgeons who fast, should be on leave with full pay." --from above
I do not agree. One's personal beliefs should under no circumstances be a matter of public subsidy. Those physicians who fast out of religious devotion should make it clear to their patients that they are doing so and let the patients make up their own mind as to the doctor's competence.

Posted by: Chatillon at August 15, 2007 4:26 PM"

It is still a better deal for the hospital than a lawsuit for malpractice.
A patient might think twice refusing a Muslim doctor because of the blowback from Muslims and PC moonbats alike.

Posted by: pr126 at August 16, 2007 1:28 AM

Allahfanculo

"If we don't KICK THEM out NOW.. they will one day Kick US out of our very own ancestral LANDS!!"

yes you are correct

look what happened to the serbs in their spiritual homeland of kosovo. they were outbred and didnt stop the flood of albanians migrating to kosovo. this was a planned invasion with the aims of creating a gereater albania, thanks to america. i just hope that the greeks are able to contain the albanian immigrants before they start that crap in greece.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at August 16, 2007 11:52 AM

In canada this Fasting rule is a scam , there have been Muslims that call in to radio shows and explain that they stuff themselves before sunrise so they aren't hungry most of the day.

As for prayer , another Muslim said it is legal to do several prayer session at once if they know the daytime prayer can't be possible for special conditions.

The MSA's across North America are trying to turn schools into Mosques and then prepare them for places to wage war as a Sanctuary they will insist the Police have no power over to enter.
This will be like the Red Mosque siege where the enemy hides inside and kills people while knowing the Mosque is fairly safe from a bombing.

Are Muslims

Posted by: ala-sux at August 16, 2007 8:06 PM