I have never learned where this "building a bridge between Islam and the West" ever came from. Who says we need a bridge? I'm happy to completely ignore then if they would only stay in their own countries and mind their own business.

No bridge required, thanks.

Posted by: payingattention at August 26, 2007 1:07 AM

That seems to be standard public policy everywhere. 'We need them'. Meaning the 'moderates'.

Osama is not a 'true' leader of islam. But 90% of muslims admire him for some reason.

Well, there 'is' no true leader of islam, is there?

Study some history Mr. Mead. Muslims move into a country, build up numbers, and one day they turn on the country and either force it to become islamic or have a civil war to break away and create their own islamic state. After all, they deserve it since they are a large enough percentage of the population.

It turns into a nightmare. The people migrate to the next area.

Repeat.

The more I know about islam the more I know it's bad.

Posted by: Borg at August 26, 2007 1:22 AM

Just a typical bureaucrat. However it is disturbing that he does not realize that a "democratic process" in Pakistan would mean the end of semi-secular people like Musharraf and the establishment of another Taliban.

Posted by: Itachi at August 26, 2007 1:24 AM

This guy sure cheapens the word expert.

Posted by: Pelayo at August 26, 2007 3:42 AM

What a joke. Where do they find these clowns who want to distort reality in such a perverse manner?

Posted by: Dsinc at August 26, 2007 4:00 AM

To me, and many others, 9/11 was the ultimate crash course in Islam (no pun intended). It took away the romantic notion I had of Islam and its culture. Subconsciously, taking that illusion away from me may be the thing I resent Bin Laden for most of all, strange as that may seem.
Mr. Meadhead, on the other hand, has apparently learned nothing at all from it.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at August 26, 2007 4:45 AM

The Jihad Awareness Project currently has 61 volunteers in 33 states.

WE STILL ARE SEEKING CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL 50 STATES, ESPECIALLY FROM THE FOLLOWING 17:

Alabama
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Kansas
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Utah
Vermont
West Virginia
Wyoming

I'm looking for at least two people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase a copy of Robert Spencer's Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't and mail it, on an agreed upon date, to one of the senators in your state. I'm organizing an effort to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the House of Representatives.

If you’d like to be involved, please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading “Senate,” and tell me the state your senator represents, an email address where I can reach you, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.

And visit www.jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I’ll try to update the list at least once a day. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.

Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.

Right before each of us mails the book, we can issue a press release to various media outlets in every state, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.

One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the anti-Jihad caucus in Congress. I'll try to coordinate this project with Rep. Myrick to maximize its effectiveness. I've also been calling various congressional offices to get advice on how best to go about this. And I'll soon contact Regnery, Robert Spencer's publisher, to ask their advice and to see if we can coordinate with them in some way.

Posted by: traeh at August 26, 2007 5:01 AM

The mind boggles. When you hear this kind of drivel you think ‘oh well, just another Muhammadan f*ckwit, they don’t know any better…’

Then you look closer and you find it comes from a Walter Russell Mead, “US foreign policy expert and Henry Kissinger Senior Fellow for the US Foreign Policy at the Council on Foreign Relations”- you start wondering what’s going on: Is this guy for real, is he a closet Muslim, is he a straw man for Henry Kissinger’s law firm (yes, that same Henry Kissinger who couldn’t be part of the 9/11 commission because of ‘conflict of interest’) But what is with these guy’s? What are they hoping to gain by selling out to the enemy?

Tell US! We’d really like to know! Because we can’t make any sense of it:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/08/26/us-paki-relations-911-brought-americans-closer-to-islam%e2%80%99/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 26, 2007 5:47 AM

This fool is blind to the fact that Osama practices the purest form of Islam possible. As Walid Shoebat said "what part of kill the infidel do you not understand?"

Posted by: j_not_a at August 26, 2007 7:03 AM

Thanks to the internet, non-Muslims are learning about the true nature of Islam and jihad which is really the quiet 6th pillar.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 26, 2007 7:23 AM

Keep up the good work JW/DW in reporting these things that are going on.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 26, 2007 7:25 AM

Mohammad himself gave equal privileges to women, such as the ability to transact in business, buy land, get married, etc. He actually stated that men and women are to be regarded on an equal footing! Just check historical records! If Islamic countries won't follow the Prophet's teachings in one thing or another, then they probably aren't following his teachings in other areas.
Some of the other teachings were to ask for a non-believer to change his religion, and if he didn't then you could tax him, and leave him alone. Not followed!
Another was if you asked a non-believer to change his religion, and he didn't, then you could exile him. Not followed.
Only the last said that a non-believer could be hurt or killed, but at the end of Mohammad's life, he stated that even then you should always show mercy, and spare the non-believer's life.
If the founder of this religion can do that, why can't his followers?
I know that Elric doesn't believe there are moderates in the religion, but I believe there are, and we just call them the Muslims who are apathetic. Sure, they believe that they can't live with Israel, but there are some who do and are willing.

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-wIlk.tQ0eqG4VXAuRj90gAgju_THEgjPrcnUj9uy?p=253&l=51&u=61&mx=61&lmt=50#comments

I was skocked when he wrote this

Posted by: Elric66 at August 26, 2007 7:35 AM

On the contrary, 9/11 got me into studying Islam and learning how violent and world-domineering it is (Thanks Mr.Spencer), rather than that poppycock that this 'expert' is going on about.

Posted by: Rogster at August 26, 2007 8:00 AM

"Osama was not a true leader of Islam and his acts were against the teachings of Islam," he said.
If only a prominent cleric of islam could utter these words, but that's unlikely as death would soon follow...

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at August 26, 2007 8:19 AM

The CFR has it's own ambitions, and is not to be trusted. Its spokespeople are masters of their own form of taqiyya. It's not possible to get a straight story from people with a hidden/or not so hidden agenda. CFR people are every bit as dis-honest and agenda driven as jihadists.

Posted by: duh_swami at August 26, 2007 8:30 AM

Who calls him an expert, the Suadi embassy?

Posted by: Ruebacca at August 26, 2007 8:44 AM

"the American Muslims were not a problem, but a solution"
Thats a declaration of war on none muslims by the CFR.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 26, 2007 8:50 AM

Why were you "shocked," Elric?

Posted by: darcy at August 26, 2007 9:03 AM

I also saw this in the "Pakistan Daily Times"

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\08\26\story_26-8-2007_pg13_5

Posted by: darcy at August 26, 2007 9:08 AM

Darcy,

I guess it still shocks me that people still think this way. Maybe it shouldnt.

Posted by: Elric66 at August 26, 2007 9:10 AM

Islamic rage boy has become a cult like figure

International symbol of Islamic resistance

Posted by: anti islamocommunist at August 26, 2007 9:13 AM

Rachel has given her blessing to comment LOL

(Note to Jidhadwatch posters: If you want to make specific comments about the show, I will let your comments through, but if you are here to act like bigots, don’t evn bother. The thread is for comments about the series.)

http://www.rachelstavern.com/?p=677

Of course what does she mean by bigot. Someone who is critical of Islam?

Posted by: Elric66 at August 26, 2007 9:34 AM

It is commmon for Muslim reporters, and Muslim newspapers, to misreport what a visiting semi-dignitary said, in order to make it conform even more closely to what Muslims would have him say. Walter Russell Mead may have said this -- he has said foolish things before, and also unfoolish things -- but one has, from this short report, no way of knowing exactly what he said, what modifying phrases he may have added. There are no quotes, and we do not have the transcript. Or do we?

A more general problem, however, is not that of the farrago of nonsense that is reported in the Musliim press on this and many other occasions. It is, rather, the way in which visiting firemen in Muslim countries, out of an insensate desire to ingratiate themselves. This is due to three things.

The first are the sums of money often transfered from Muslim hosts to non-Muslim visitors. Do you think any of the real moneymwkers,, Bush Sr. and Clinton and James Baker and Colin Powell, the kind of people who can and do pick up those million-dollar checks in Kuwait or Qatar, would speak some home truths to their Muslim audiences? Of course not. They will flatter them, extol them, tell them how there is nothing wrong that cannot be fixed through a little public relations and "getting to" the American public). And what is worse, when they speak like this, they begin to think like this. They believe their own lying words.

And then there is fear. Fear of the audience in front of you, that helps to modify what you might otherwise have said. Fear that when you leave that lecture hall you will return to a Pakistani hotel, in a Pakistani city, and then perhaps visit a Pakistani site or two, and in any case, the next day, or the day after that, a Pakistani driver in a Pakistani car will drive you along a Pakistani road to a Pakistani airport where you will wait, with a great many Pakistani officials and citizens, until you can get on a plane. You know this. You are keenly aware of this. Would you, under such circumstances, even if you knew enough to begin to tell Muslim audiences some home truths, the very things they do not wish to hear, about how they had to confront the immutable texts of Islam that naturally inculcate certain views, that they had to figure out what they were going to do with those texts, that everywhere Infidels were waking up, and finding out not that "Islam is a religion of peace" but quite the contrary, that the more they learned about Islam and the history of Islamic conquest, and the more they studied what happened to non-Muslims in Muslim-ruled areas ("such as what happens to Hindus and Christians in Pakistan today" -- as Walter Russell Mead did not, and never would, say), and the more they listened to the articulate defectors from Islam, and the more they took in what was happening around the world, why then the more they began to realize that Jihad was a permanent menace, they began to realize that Jihad was not merely limited to qitaal (military combat) or terrorism, but its chief instruments were Da'wa and demographic conquest, both supported by the Money Weapon supplied by the rich Arab states, and that finally, the political, economic, social, moral, and intellectual failures of Islamic societies was not a fault of the West, but attributable to Islam. Could any Westerner get up and say that in Pakistan? Of course not. Far easier to give them what they want, and even to let oneself believe something of the sort. It puts off any need to think about what may be an insoluble problem, but that will require not "solutions" (as some think) but actions taken to lessen the magnitude of the potential threat.

Money, fear -- cupidity, timidity.

And stupidity. The stupdiity that is demonstrated in the belief that everything having to do with Muslim countries and Muslim attitudes and Muslim behavior can be explained by those who have not taken the time to study Islam. Or if they do "study" it they do so not as they should but by going to the sources of deliberate misinformation, those sly MESA-Nostran apologists intent on not explaining, but explaining away, the texts, tenets, attitudes, atmospherics of Islam, and which include such obvious False Authorities as John Esposito (his "Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding" so carefully placed in the heart of Washington, and so carefully funded by various rich Arabs, the Lebanese contracting family that got him started, and more recently, the Saudis and others who keep him going) and the less menacing, because even more comical, Karen Armstrong, for those who like their books pre-abridged by the author, to fit into some Reader's Digest annual. This is not the way.

One suspects that Walter Russell Mead will deny that he said what is contained in that Pakistani newspaper's precis. And no doubt he did not say in precisely that way what was reported. Quaere: what was it that he said, what were the exact statements he made, that allowed this particular version to be offered? That is more important.

Posted by: Hugh at August 26, 2007 9:44 AM

Hugh

Here is what he says near the end of God's Country? by Walter Russell Mead From Foreign Affairs, September/October 2006

He says...

"U.S. evangelicals generally seek to hold on to their strong personal faith and Protestant Christian identity while engaging with people across confessional lines. Evangelicals have worked with Catholics against abortion and with both religious and secular Jews to support Israel; they could now reach out to Muslims as well. After all, missionary hospitals and schools were the primary contact that most Middle Easterners had with the United States up until the end of World War II; evangelicals managed more than a century of close and generally cooperative relations with Muslims throughout the Arab world. Muslims and evangelicals are both concerned about global poverty and Africa. Both groups oppose the domination of public and international discourse by secular ideas. Both believe that religious figures and values should be treated with respect in the media; neither like the glorification of casual sex in popular entertainment. Both Islam and evangelicalism are democratic religions without a priesthood or hierarchy. Muslims and evangelicals will never agree about everything, and secular people may not like some of the agreements they reach. But fostering Muslim-evangelical dialogue may be one of the best ways to forestall the threat of civilizational warfare."

You can read the whole thing at:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060901faessay85504-p60/walter-russell-mead/god-s-country.html

Wow...so this where D'Souza got his bright idea from.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at August 26, 2007 10:30 AM

I believe that oxygen is becoming a rare thing at the tops of the Ivory Towers, and they have begun to babble as their brains rot from within.

Posted by: senor doeboy at August 26, 2007 10:38 AM

traeh-

maybe you should focus on sending the books to college students at Harvard and Yale instead, since they seem to produce the future leaders. The current leaders don't do much reading.

Posted by: Borg at August 26, 2007 10:48 AM

Elric66-

That person is just repeating the mantra. Mo gave women the right to transact business is a joke. His wife was a business woman. If women didn't have the right before Mo, how was she a business woman before he even met her?

People who repeat this mantra don't question, they just repeat what they hear.

Women were married off. How could a woman have the right to marry?

What right to buy land? Arab nomads don't buy land.

She left off the right to divorce. What woman could divorce when she would be scorned by family and neighbors?

Typical unquestioning blather.

Posted by: Borg at August 26, 2007 10:53 AM

traeh-

Send a few to Eton while you are at it.

Posted by: Borg at August 26, 2007 10:54 AM

Mr Mead, who has never learned the meaning of the term "irony," spent the next twenty minutes insisting that his comment was serious.

The US foreign policy expert and Henry Kissinger Senior Fellow for the US Foreign Policy at the Council on Foreign Relations was speaking at Jamia Ashrafia on ‘The Influence of Religion on the US Foreign Policy’.
The good ol' CFR: "Making the world safe for jihad."

Osama was not a true leader of Islam and his acts were against the teachings of Islam, he said. Mead said as far as war on terror was concerned, the American Muslims were not a problem, but a solution, since they could act as a bridge between Islam and West. Answering a question regarding the US support for military regime, he said there was not true democracy in Pakistan and the United States wanted to see Pakistan a truly democratic Muslim state with better socio-economic conditions. Religion was never a controversial issue in the world and religious education was being given everywhere, including the US, Mead said.

What planet was this talk given on? "Religion was never a controversial issue"? You can't make this stuff up.

The elites at the CFR believe that world is theirs and that they are the masters of all they survey.

They "say so," therefore "it is," seems to be their motto.

Posted by: witness at August 26, 2007 11:30 AM

"Muslims and evangelicals are both concerned about global poverty and Africa. Both groups oppose the domination of public and international discourse by secular ideas. Both believe that religious figures and values should be treated with respect in the media; neither like the glorification of casual sex in popular entertainment. Both Islam and evangelicalism are democratic religions without a priesthood or hierarchy. Muslims and evangelicals will never agree about everything, and secular people may not like some of the agreements they reach. But fostering Muslim-evangelical dialogue may be one of the best ways to forestall the threat of civilizational warfare.
-- from an article by Walter Russell Mead in "Foreign Affairs" quoted in a posting above

I was giving Walter Russell Mead the benefit of every doubt. I see that I was wrong.

Posted by: Hugh at August 26, 2007 11:38 AM

The United States wants to see Pakistan a truly democratic Muslim state?

Democracy has nothing to do with Islam, sir. I'd prefer a democratic Pakistan without the ills imposed upon it by religious zealots and bigots. For Sharia is the antithesis of democracy and every good Muslim desires the tyranny of Sharia. No less than Zhudi Jasser mouthed his allegiance to the ways of Sharia on one of the news channels several months ago.

I wonder what the oxygen saturation level is at the CFR? God Help Us when the ruling elites and intellectuals think that Islam has something of value to offer the West! America was founded by people seeking freedom from religious tyranny.

I sincerely hope that some of the brainiacs at the CFR aren't considering how useful Islam (a religious opiate for the masses which induces psychoses) would be in bringing us all to heel under a new world order. I can just picture some stinktank intellectual with a Windsor knot conjecturing about how Islam would solve the problems of inner city violence, drug and alcohol addiction. Of course, thugs would still kill each other (in the name of Islamic purity), abuse their wives and children, but they'd stream into the mosque at the right time and be clean and sober. The gangs in the streets would inhabit the mosques. The genius of trading disorderly chaos for orderly chaos!

There is no bridge between Islam and the West. Islam wants to build a well. We want to prevent that from happening.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at August 26, 2007 11:55 AM

Hi Elric. I don't know who this "Rachel" is, but she seems to have a hate on for Christians. Loves those moslems though. Hope she enjoys her hijab...live it up.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 26, 2007 12:09 PM

Just read the Rachel's Tavern info....heh heh heh . Really knows the "blackmans' burden", probably why she got into the profession she's in, soooo caring (except for white Christians)...typical LLL.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 26, 2007 12:21 PM

The only difference between radical and moderate Muslims is their choice of weapons.

Posted by: Dsinc at August 26, 2007 1:31 PM

Borg

That person is just repeating the mantra. Mo gave women the right to transact business is a joke. His wife was a business woman. If women didn't have the right before Mo, how was she a business woman before he even met her?

Good point. Ill bring it up to the moron

Posted by: Elric66 at August 26, 2007 1:31 PM

interestinconundrum,

Very weird girl that rachel. Anything critical of Islam is being a bigot. Just read her opinion of Israel settlers. She equates them with jihadists. Same thing with abortion doctor bombers. When was the last abortion clinic bombed. When is the last time Muslims bombed something? Oh yeah, yesterday.

Posted by: Elric66 at August 26, 2007 1:34 PM

"Do you believe in fairies? … If you believe," Peter shouted to them, "clap your hands; don't let Tink die."

Posted by: jsla at August 26, 2007 1:47 PM

I did a little googling on Walter Russell Mead. It appears that the real reason that he said what he said, is that he's a Palestinian sympathizer:

April 21, 2004 | For the last five weeks I have been traveling through the Middle East, meeting diplomats, officials, policy experts, military leaders, students and ordinary citizens. I learned something very important: the greatest single cause of anti-Americanism in the Middle East today is not the war in Iraq; more surprisingly, it is not even American support for Israel, per se. Rather, it is a widespread belief that the United States simply does not care about the rights or needs of the Palestinian people....
But one thing sticks in their craw: Why doesn't America care more about the Palestinians' future?
They have a point. America's Middle East policy is unnecessarily zero-sum. We can be more pro-Palestinian without being less pro-Israeli. Indeed, to the degree that American policies help create support for compromise among Palestinians, pro-Palestinian initiatives can help Israel too.

Posted by: Steven L. at August 26, 2007 1:56 PM

If anything I have found out the truth about it and I can never be more in such a distance of it. It is a culture of uncertainty. Deception. They say Qu'ran 5:32? All means nothing. They do as they want based on deception! Adam's humanity death!

Posted by: MZ at August 26, 2007 1:59 PM

Ah yes, bridging.

He has it all wrong. It's BLOW the bridge between Islam and the West. And do it yesterday.

Posted by: Beagle at August 26, 2007 2:23 PM

Well, well, well, it looks for all the world that as long as there exists no one on the public stage anywhere who will state for a fact that Islam is a decadent and flopped religion that is absolutely unfixable unless many words are removed from the Koran and destroyed forever, we are slated for absolute failure and will be defeated by this stupid and savage religion. This is the price we pay for our love of being RELIGIOUSLY CORRECT even if we must flush truth and reason to accomplish it. Well, what do you expect? No where do we see the survival of the unfittest - it is being to be obvious that that is exactly what we are!

Posted by: tom at August 26, 2007 2:51 PM

Who wants a bridge to the 7th century?

Realm of a terroristic, intolerant, misogynistic, pedophile warlord?

Walls, and more of them.

No more transfers of high technology.

No more Muslim "students" stealing our inventiveness to turn back upon us as hyper-suicide vests.

No bridges, -walls.

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 26, 2007 3:22 PM

Without 9/11 I never would have come closer to the stories about Muhammad gouging out eyes, personally beheading, getting off on watching people's opposite arm and leg being lopped off before his dais, his kidnapping and raping of a 9 year old girl Aisha, the fact that this same Aisha's job was to sometimes wipe semen off of his robe, that he began fiddling with her genitalia in a bathtub when she began to menstruate, that Muhammad was infatuated with his own exuda, and was especially neurotically preoccupied with his own feces and urine -- so much so that this forms a large part of discussions of the "prophet's" life in the Sura -- and today forms the guideline for how Muslims defecate...

Yes, indeed. 9/11 brought Islam to the fore in a manner which probably nothing else could have done.

And everything I learn about Islam makes me absolutely despise it.

Posted by: jsla at August 26, 2007 3:23 PM

jsla-

And that's just the positive stuff.

(Imagine all of the negative material that Muslims suppressed!)

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 26, 2007 3:33 PM

"9/11 brought Americans closer to Islam" Like cancer brings you closer to death.

Posted by: Timur at August 26, 2007 3:42 PM

Well, well, well, it looks for all the world that as long as there exists no one on the public stage anywhere who will state for a fact that Islam is a decadent and flopped religion that is absolutely unfixable unless many words are removed from the Koran and destroyed forever, we are slated for absolute failure and will be defeated by this stupid and savage religion. This is the price we pay for our love of being RELIGIOUSLY CORRECT even if we must flush truth and reason to accomplish it. Well, what do you expect? No where do we see the survival of the unfittest - it is beginning to be obvious that that is exactly what we are! Who will be the first on the planet to tell this truth in a significantly public way? But, instead, you all just talk all around the only truth that will nail Islamic terrorism once and for all.

Posted by: tom at August 26, 2007 3:54 PM

As dangerous as international communism was, Islam has several advantages that make it far more dangerous than communism ever was:

1. When international communism was still a threat, at least we didn't have to worry that people coming from communist countries to liberal democratic countries wanted to bring communism with them. But Islam, being not only a totalitarian political system but also a religion, takes a much stronger hold than communism did on the minds of those living under it. So Muslim immigrants often do want to supplant civil liberties and Western-type legal systems with Islamic law and totalitarian theocracy.

2. Communism as a political system existed for less than a century, and had a far smaller number of fervent adherents than does Islam, which has existed for 1400 years, has a billion plus followers, and over 100 million fervent adherents.

3. As a religion, Islam often escapes any kind of evaluation according to rational or evidentiary standards. Westerners often believe that religion is not supposed to be evaluated in a rational, evidentiary way. Communists could evade but not completely escape rational evaluation, because their system claimed to be scientific, not religious. Empirically-oriented scholars were constantly testing communism's social predictions and publishing evidence that the ideology was false.

4. As a religion, Islam in the West gets more legal protections than would a mere political movement like communism. The religious aspect of Islam functions also as a sort of "diplomatic pouch" the immigrant can use to smuggle in the totalitarian side of Islam.

But those advantages over communism only mean the struggle against Islamic fascism will be longer and more difficult. I don't believe it would be possible for Islam to win this world wide war, though it's conceivable they might succeed in bringing the end of the world.

Posted by: traeh at August 26, 2007 4:20 PM

The building bridges spiel is used on the uninformed as a deceptive ploy so that they won't notice the huge islamic trojan horse in their midst but it only works on those who haven't done their homework.

Posted by: dms at August 26, 2007 4:56 PM

I like Walter Russell Mead's work and have always found him to be an insightful analyst--all the more reason why I was so surprised to see him say something so blockheaded.

Posted by: GetBornAgain at August 26, 2007 5:05 PM

Many years back during a Casual-Friday at work
a co-worker wore a T-shirt that read 'Know Islam ...Know peace' .

This pretty well explained why this one employee used to whine and labelled almost every problem as "Racist" and forced the Company to post a 'Workers Rights' declaration that detailed the protections from insults to people based on Race and Religion .

I never every met such a bitter and angry person that was hell bent on getting people fired from a job for a 'Perception' of a Human Rights violation to a Minority group member that never actually complained.
The Company chose to automate that Department and in turn several single moms and young non-white workers were let go , and this made me wonder if this pro-Islam punk was at the root of this Automation just to protect the Company from Lawsuits and bad press with Human Rights Commission complaints appearing in the local media coverage.

9/11/01 did open people eyes to Islam and Muhammad but not in the way CAIR and Mr.Hooper often portray it , and my co-worker's T-shirt
had a Typo error back then and should have read 'No Islam....Know Peace' because after 9/11
it was clear that the 19 Muslim Hijackers put the 'SLAM' in I-slam and the mass slaughter of 3000 civilians for Allah put the 'MAD' in Muham-mad' .

I also noticed that CAIR loves to use demonstrations and propaganda to defend MuhamMAD
and Allah , but take a close look at those words.

DEMON-strate
PRO-PAGAN-da

CAIR and Hooper seem to be for paganism and support demons in public , this explains the placards about 'Behead those that insult islam' , ' Hitler was right' , 'Death to the USA and Americans' .

Earth to Hooper....Earth to Hooper,come in ,come in please......If the collective actions of the followers of a faith do not reflect the tenets of that faith then Muslims have nothing to do with Islam and Islam has no link to self-professed followers of it that label themselves "Muslims" .

Being in a Mosque every Friday makes a person no more a Muslim than me living in a garage on Fridays would make me a Car .
So Muslims should stop worrying about cleaning their feet before entering a building and start cleaning out their Hearts that have so much past hatred and bitterness that "Forces" them to murder their Brothers and Sisters as a favour to Allah.

I'm really getting sick of this whole PC crap to not offend Muslims because it will trigger them to murder people who claim islam is not a Peaceful faith or that Muslims can be violent .

Posted by: ala-sux at August 26, 2007 6:32 PM

I wrote to Mr. Mead's email at CFR asking him if he had been quoted accurately, if these statements were correct, and if he cared to participate in the discussion here.

This was the reply:
I will be out of the office starting 08/16/2007 and will not return
until
09/05/2007.

and won't be checking his emails in the meantime?

Posted by: Nick Danger at August 26, 2007 7:01 PM

Nick Danger

"I will be out of the office starting 08/16/2007 and will not return until 09/05/2007."

Sort of like Western Civilization in microcosm.

If Western Civilization does fall I hope this is the epitaph...its fitting.

Just the dates would be 1960s-???.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at August 26, 2007 7:12 PM

What a joke. Where do they find these clowns who want to distort reality in such a perverse manner?

Answer: The CFR are Globalists just like the Jiahdists so being in bed together is not a shocking sight. Sharia imposed upon the world will go hand in hand with a world economy controlled by these immoral manipulators.

Posted by: Briars at August 26, 2007 8:53 PM

I believe the caption should have read "9/11 brougt American closer to the TRUTH about Islam".

For some people maybe, but what actually brought me closer to the "truth" about Islam was the Danish cartoon brouhaha. It's like the cat was out of the bag I was thinking, what the hell about a cartoon would cause all this commotion and that's what led me to this site. The rest is history.

Posted by: j_not_a at August 26, 2007 11:06 PM

Oh, the hell it did.

I have yet to encounter a single American who is willing to forgive Islam for 9-11. I sure won't.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 27, 2007 2:12 PM

No bridge required, thanks.
Posted by: payingattention

Ditto! And no tunnles from Gibraltar to morrocco either PLEASE!

WHY do we need bridges w3ith them if they leave us alone? Then we will leave them alone and everyone can go about their business.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 27, 2007 2:55 PM

Wishful thinking is an integral part of Islam. Up is down, black is white, FMG is desired by all women because it is so romantic. Islam is a peaceful religion.

Yes, I've gotten a lot closer to Islam since 9/11. I've studied it, discussed it and am presently educating others as to it's danger and asking them tough questions about whether they would like to live under it. At first I get the standard answers, but then when I show them evidence about honor killings, FMG, preferential treatment of idiotic Muslim customs in America and the subjugation of our own culture, the lightbulb starts to go on and the seething begins. And that's a beautiful thing.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at August 27, 2007 4:12 PM