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August 31, 2007

Terrorism pays: South Korea paid Taliban $2.46m for hostages

Which will, of course, only encourage more hostage-taking. "Taliban was paid $2.46m for hostages," from AAP (thanks to JE):

SOUTH Korea paid $A2.46 million to Taliban extremists in Afghanistan to secure the release of 19 hostages.

Citing unidentified sources in Afghanistan, a Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun said Afghan mediators persuaded South Korea's ambassador in Kabul that there was no other way to end the six-week kidnap ordeal.

"Two million dollars were paid to release all 19 people," an Afghan mediator was quoted as telling the influential Japanese daily.

The Asahi Shimbun said both a South Korean official and a Taliban spokesman contacted by the newspaper denied any payment.

The Taliban, who earlier killed two of the hostages, freed the 19 Christian aid workers this week after South Korea promised to withdraw its military from Afghanistan as planned and ban missionary groups from the Islamic country.

South Korean officials have not commented on whether a payment was made to any party to help secure the release.

Posted by Robert at August 31, 2007 6:02 AM
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.....negotiating with terrorists is never a good plan....

.....they always come back for more....

.....the best way to deal with terrorists is to constantly attack them, deny them money, deny them access to weapons, deny them travel, deny them utilities, deny them supplies, disrupt the cell phone service in the areas they infest, spy on them, infiltrate their organizations , decode their internet messages, never release those that are captured, make no deals, disrupt their protests or parades, make it unwise to appear in public, take out their leaders, publish photos of know terrorists on the loose, kindly advise politicians of all nature not to associate with terrorists, publish all terrorist comments along with the facts ...show them to be the liars they are....create an anti-terrorist atmosphere...start profiling, increase the monitoring of international and suspicious telecommunications...fire professors who try to indoctrinate students into Islam.....

....make the terrorists lives miserable, they deserve it...they are miserable people....fight back....

never never never never never never negotiate with terrorists....never...

start with banning Muslim immigration....

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 6:51 AM

2.46 million will buy a lot of weapons.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 7:45 AM

It is incredibly stupid for countries to allow their naive do-gooders to travel to these bloody Islamic garbage areas. They immediately become targets for kidnapping & ransom and cause much grief & expense for their families and country. Stupid.

Posted by: FM [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 8:35 AM

In 1622 the Dutch entered into a treaty with the pasha of Algiers in which payments to the pasha would “buy the peace” and Dutch merchant vessels would be allowed to pass in the Mediterranean unmolested. By 1624 the depredations of the Algerian corsairs on Dutch ships returned to the pre-treaty levels. The Algerians would capture the Dutch ships, seize their cargo as war booty and return to Algiers with the Dutch crews who would then be sold into slavery throughout the Islamic empire. All of which of course is sanctioned by the Islamic canon that enjoins jihad upon the non-Muslims wherever they may be encountered.

The Dutch leaders had their fill of the unprovoked jihad and so dispatched a squadron of warships under the command of Admiral Lambert Hendrickszoon (”Mooy Lambert”) to deal with the pasha. Admiral Lambert soon arrived at the mouth of the Algerian harbor with several Algerian corsairs in tow that he had captured along his way. He anchored his squadron in the harbor and sent word to the pasha that he demanded the immediate release of all Dutch citizens and return of their ships and cargo. If the pasha did not comply, the admiral would hang all of the Algerian officers and crewman in his possession. The pasha refused, believing that Lambert was bluffing. Lambert promptly turned his squadron out to sea with every one of the Algerian captives hanging from the spars as the Dutch squadron disappeared over the horizon.

The spectre horrified the Algerian populace and the city convulsed with wailing crowds and tumultuous clamor at the gates of the pasha’s palace. There was no time for the pasha and his officers to fully ponder the implications of the event as soon they beheld the return of Lambert’s squadron with a fresh collection of captured corsairs and their crews. Lambert again anchored in the harbor and repeated his demands with the same threat if they were not met. The pasha relented immediately, all the Dutch captives in the city were freed and their property restored. Admiral Lambert turned to sea and returned to Holland.

Unfortunately the victory of Lambert had only a temporary effect but it did demonstrate to all the Europeans that the jihad emanating from the Maghreb could be stemmed if the Europeans were willing to wield an uncompromising sword in their hand. It would be nearly two centuries before the United States, under the leadership of President Thomas Jefferson would adopt the Lambert solution to subdue the depredation on American merchant ships by Algiers, Tripoli, Tunisia and Morocco. It took the Americans nearly 15 years of intense and often brutal military effort to finally achieve a lasting cessation to the jihad. Consistent with over a thousand years of experience, it also proved again that the jinn of jihad can only be contained with direct and overwhelming force.

Posted by: DrMack [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 8:55 AM

The Taliban have already said this whole kidnapping thing has worked for them and so, look for more!

Posted by: sounder [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 8:58 AM

Be more vigilant. There already is more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/30/AR2007083001395.html

It will be fascinating to see Musharraf's response.


Dr. Mack, I hate to tell you, but it's not 1624 anymore. In 1624, due to a wide variety of historical factors that are no longer present, rulers of a population were far more able to retain a chokehold on that population. Today's rulers do not have the command over their population that the Algerian pasha did.

The Algerian pasha controlled the government, had formed an alliance with the pirates, and was holding Dutch prisoners in state prison. The dynamic between the terrorists/insurgents and national leaders is far more complex today (except in Pakistan, where Musharraf has allied with the radical Islamists): In Lebanon, Hezhbullah waged a fairly successul Jihad against Israel even as the the Lebanese PM pleaded for an end to the violence. Hamas has also used the state-within-a-state model. Finallly, all those Saudis on 9/11 did just fine without engineering a coup d'etat against the government.

Unlike in 1624, today we are fighting a war not against governments and not against rulers, but against INDIVIDUALS. This means that our main task is to win over INDIVIDUALS--not to enrage an entire population by carrying out a grotesque killing. That worked in 1624, but there were no suicide bombers in 1624. Wake up. You're not in Algeria anymore.

Posted by: Shlomo_Michael [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 11:30 AM

Impregnate the paper money with an undetectible acid that makes them disintegrate in days after delivery.

Make this "payment" disappear.


Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 1:46 PM

...I hope they paid with Korean currency and not US dollars....

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 3:00 PM

"Unlike in 1624, today we are fighting a war not against governments and not against rulers, but against INDIVIDUALS. This means that our main task is to win over INDIVIDUALS--not to enrage an entire population by carrying out a grotesque killing. That worked in 1624, but there were no suicide bombers in 1624."

Posted by: Shlomo_Michael
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Shlomo, I disagree. We can only defeat Muslims if we fight them in a way they'll understand. It is true that we are fighting against individuals therefore we must fight in a way that eliminates enemy individuals while discouraging other individuals from fighting.

The population of Algiers were outraged and, more important, distraught to see their loved ones hanged. They also knew the same would happen to them if they continued piracy. Right now, an individual who does a suicide-bombing in Tel Aviv knows he will be lionized while his family is financially rewarded by Saudi foundations. If he knew that his family instead would all be executed in the most viscous manner and then cremated, he might think twice before blowing himself up.

One of Osama Bin Laden's sons just got married in London and lives free in the UK. An effective policy would be to round up all the family members of Al-Qaida, Hizbullah, and the Taliban leaders and start executing them until every terror organization is disbanded.

Ancient Carthage continually threatened Rome until the Romans finally slaughtered all the Carthaginians and resettled the city with loyal subjects. They also defeated the army of Boudaccia the same way. Of this latter conflict Tacitus wrote, "they made a desert and called it peace." Well it was cruel to make that desert but it did bring peace.

Posted by: Provoslavni [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 3:17 PM

SOUTH Korea paid $A2.46 million to Taliban extremists in Afghanistan to secure the release of 19 hostages.
Citing unidentified sources in Afghanistan, a Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun said Afghan mediators persuaded South Korea's ambassador in Kabul that there was no other way to end the six-week kidnap ordeal.

So this is where it ends, with SK paying the Jizya (sic) to save the lives of its citizens, while at the same time agreeing to stop Christians from ministering to the population. So goes another "Western" society into the basket called Dhimmitude. Another domino fallen in the ever-creeping ooze that is Islam. The saddest, and scariest aspect of all this is that SK will NOT stop Muslims from emigrating to SK, and if they tried we all know the hue and cry that will rise from Islam, claiming they are being discriminated against! And the West, and our leaders will fawn all over themselves to rationalize this disparate chasm, citing that "tolerance" of Islam has to be maintained, a climate of "understanding" as Islam is a religion, therfore must be given its "freedom" to practice as it sees fit. I am still stumped as to how the West can rationalize away their view that Islam is good and the West is bad. We cannot stand much more of this and I for one will NEVER submit to this outrageous and dangerous behavior as long as I live. Goodbye, South Korea, I hardly knew you, and now, don't think I ever will. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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Posted by: OregonJake [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 6:11 PM

Those south korean christian missionaries should not have gone to afghanistan unprotected. They were foolish.

Posted by: callmeinfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 31, 2007 7:58 PM

Provoslavni, I agree that the only thing muslims understand is brute force. But we are not fighting individuals, we are at war with an ideology followed by millions.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 1, 2007 8:41 AM

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