...how about dipping their fingers in india ink, which will takes days to disappear?.....If you are in line with an inked finger, you will be turned away.....

...of course...a better idea would be to ban Muslim immigration.....just do not allow these people into your land....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 6, 2007 10:05 AM

"`Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar.

This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'"

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at September 6, 2007 10:08 AM

Liberal Party in province of Ontario is slave of muslims and Sikhs. Liberal party almost approved Sharia Law for muslims in Ontario but then stopped short amid pressure from brave Iranian women groups. There are mosques all over in Toronto. Toronto is also home to the famous Khadr family. Toronto is also home to 'Toronto 17' who planned to behead PM Harper and take over Parliament building.

I am from Pakistan, and Canadians are called 'most easy to fool white people'. Pakistanis commit welfar fraud here openly and if your name has 'Mohammad' in it somewhere, you are loved by everyone in Toronto.

Posted by: Crusader at September 6, 2007 10:10 AM

Im guessing you dont need to identify yourself to get an ID card ,driver license or voter ID either?
What happened to standards or common sense?

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 6, 2007 10:39 AM

Thanks to Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien and Paul Martin, Canada will become a Muslim country in 20 years and there is no way of stopping it...

Why do our governments kowtow to Islams demands?

Posted by: The Resistance at September 6, 2007 10:49 AM

"Why do our governments kowtow to Islams demands?"

I actually think that they believe they will stay in power by their votes. They don't have a clue as to what islam is all about and chose their ignorance with all their might.

And don't think our American politicans are any more enlightened than the Europeans, Canadians and others who have either succombed to sharia law, or have a pig sty of islamic violence in their lands.

Thomas Jefferson was the only one I know that was bright enough to crack open a koran and figure it all out during his life time with the barbary pirates. And he was kind enough to leave his koran while no one, except Ellison, has used it. Ellison used it to foul our Congress by taking his oath of office on it and no one has a clue that it says muslim's can lie to advance islam. And it symbolizes their allegience, not to the country they live in and in Ellison's case - serve in - but to islam.

Posted by: R_not at September 6, 2007 11:02 AM

"Women who choose not to unveil will also be given the opportunity to swear an oath and have another voter vouch for them..."
-- from the article above

Oh, that's okay then. That takes care of it.

Posted by: Hugh at September 6, 2007 12:01 PM

Wait til this insanity heads south to the US. Keith Ellison will have plenty of company in Congress.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 6, 2007 12:30 PM

These women could never vote in an Islamic country, unless the US installed the government and presided over the voting as in Iraq.

But in Canada, their jihadist masters send them out to do Allah's work.

In Missouri, a patronage fee office was found to be issuing licenses to such people ONLY AFTER CITIZENS COMPLAINED. The office was promptly closed and the state had to wade through all the photo i.d.'s-which included veiled women and men photographed in sunglasses and hats-which were voided. The patron of this office was our former liberal Democrat governor Mel Carnahan.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 6, 2007 12:35 PM

On my recent trip to Toronto, Hamilton and Niagara Falls, I was astounded by the number of women in veils and other Islamic dress, and men in Islamic beards. Canada may be becoming a Muslim country as The Resistance says above.

Posted by: JeffS at September 6, 2007 12:49 PM

I'm just gonna start a religion where everyone has to wear a ski mask and demand that I be allowed to wear my ski mask everywhere, even in my photo IDs.

Makes about as much sense as this.

Posted by: Professor PyroSkank at September 6, 2007 1:57 PM

"On my recent trip to Toronto, Hamilton and Niagara Falls, I was astounded by the number of women in veils and other Islamic dress, and men in Islamic beards." Posted by: JeffS

Yeah, me too, and I live here. Every time I go out in Toronto (especially if it's to a shopping mall), I see more women and men in obvious Islamic garb. This is the current new wave of immigrants.

I used to be amazed by the large number of Chinese and other Asian immigrants that came here in the last decade or so but I never felt threatened by them or any other immigrant group. Now, when I see someone dressed to show that she or he is a devout Muslim, I wonder about their loyalty to Canada and our rights and freedoms. I don't like that feeling.

I object to having two legal standards for people, and special rights being given to one religious group, which is what this veiled-while-voting rule has accomplished. The article says it applies to Quebec. I wonder about the rest of Canada? I'm going to have to learn more about this.

Posted by: Josephine at September 6, 2007 2:02 PM

Every time I see a woman in public wearing a jilbab, I have the urge to say something disparaging like "that's a really ugly hat."

Posted by: Professor PyroSkank at September 6, 2007 2:14 PM

Josephine,

If you feel threatened, don't listen to the apologists...you are meant to feel threatened. It is an act of aggression, and the view is that you are also to comply. I say thay can kiss my a$$.

I understand Canada also has separate civil codes for Muslims with regards to marriage and divorce. Is that still in effect? I thought I saw Muslim women protesting this, but hadn't seen anything on the outcome, if any.

EliasAlucard,

Are you in the US? If so, do you recall the attempt by a Muslim woman to keep her niqab/burqa on for her driver's license photo? It was in NJ, VA, or one of the Carolinas...I think.

I thought they rejected, then succumbed...or succumbed, then revoked the license. I just remember the uproar by others more than anything. Just ridiculous, but becoming more common by the day, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at September 6, 2007 2:43 PM

It is for the good of Canada.

Can you imagine the chaos that could be created if a single Muslimah fully removed her niqab? All those hypersalivating infidel and Muslim men gripped in the lust of the glimpse of her flesh and the arousal it caused. The brawls, the absolute mayhem unleashed by the reflected light of her glistening unchadored cheek, fighting to be first to mount and ravage her. Not to mention the voting errors of distracted elders mistily recalling the warmth lusts of their youth, and the hyperventilating security guards recklessly discarding their uniforms and abandoning their posts to join chase.

Really, it is for the good of Canada.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 6, 2007 3:06 PM

What difference does it make if a veiled woman has 12 photo id's? What can you compare them with? Even a nun before Vatican II showed her face for a driver's license.

This is probably giving Keith Ellison some re-election ideas.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 6, 2007 3:19 PM

I know Toronto has more Muslims than anywhere else in Canada, but as someone who lives in the Vancouver area I can tell you we have way more percentage wise in the west than what is out east.

I was in Toronto last week and the Muslim's were noticeable, but here in the west they are simply everywhere. East Vancouver has a huge African Muslim community, North Vancouver has a huge Iranian community, Surrey has a huge Pakistani community, East Burnaby has a significant Somalian community and Coquitlam seems to have a very significant Iraqi and Iranian community.

I find it no surprise that Irshad Manji attended a madrassa in Richmond BC with the amount of mosques and Muslim's I see in the Lower Mainland.

I fear we in Canada are the easy ones to fool as our sensibilities seem to be easily offended when we point out what is going on in Islam today.

I've been posting on a goofy site here known as the Vancouver Message Board, there is a thread titled "What is wrong with Islam", it's on it's 29th page of debate and if you read some of the apologists that come on here it will make your head spin.

There are a lot of people that take great effort to silence those who try and bring awareness, and in Canada we are lining up to defend that which ultimately means the loss of our freedoms.

By the way if anyone wants to join or check out that thread, I simply go by N on that site and my first post was somewhere near page 6, warning it is a collection of weirdos there.

Posted by: The fanatic at September 6, 2007 4:33 PM

Professor PyroSkank
Other option is to wink at them, saying you looking pretty good today.

Occasionally I see women wearing full hijab, with a tight form-fitting sweater. This I find puzzling.

Posted by: DhimmiNot at September 6, 2007 4:35 PM

On my recent trip to Toronto, Hamilton and Niagara Falls, I was astounded by the number of women in veils and other Islamic dress, and men in Islamic beards." Posted by: JeffS Yeah, me too, and I live here. Every time I go out in Toronto (especially if it's to a shopping mall), I see more women and men in obvious Islamic garb. This is the current new wave of immigrants
Posted by: Josephine at September 6, 2007 2:02 PM

Hello Josephine. I personally attest to the truth of this. Go to any Greater Toronto Area Wal-mart and any time of day you will have to dodge the walls of approaching pregnant Somalian muslimahs with their hordes of pre-schoolers scrambling around them.

I often feel like somebody blindfolded and kidnapped me and dropped me off in downtown Mogadishu. I'd say Canada has about five to ten more years to drown in the Islamic cesspoolia that Britain or the Netherlands is right about now.

Posted by: j_not_a at September 6, 2007 5:09 PM

"I understand Canada also has separate civil codes for Muslims with regards to marriage and divorce." Posted by: Miss_Anthrope

If that is the case, I am not aware of it.

Posted by: Josephine at September 6, 2007 6:31 PM

"I often feel like somebody blindfolded and kidnapped me and dropped me off in downtown Mogadishu." Posted by: j_not_a

Yes, and before that I felt as if I had woken up to find I had been magically transported to China in my sleep.

It is an odd feeling to look around and feel like a stranger in your own country. That is what it feels like for me in most of Toronto. (My neighbourhood has a lot of Polish and Ukrainian immigrants so, except for language, we don't seem so different.)

I don't feel threatened by people who don't look like me and I'm not offended by the fact that most of the conversations that I hear around me in public are not in English anymore.

But it feels strange: I am not used to it. Sometimes I think, "Where did all the white people go?" (LOL, I guess that's very white-centric of me but that's my life experience.) When I was younger, the malls would have been filled with white and black folks. Now, wherever I go, white, English-speaking people are a minority.

I wouldn't mind if I had chosen to move to Mogadishu or China, etc., but I have been made a visible minority in my home country.

Sometimes I feel as if we are dying out, like dinosaurs, all due to our educational system telling us not to have more than two children and our governments not making it easier for families to survive and thrive. We thought we were being good citizens of the world; no one warned us there wouldn't be enough of us left to keep our country and maintain our standard of living.

On the other hand, I do like the fact that Toronto is as multicultural as it is and that we all get along quite well in public. Throughout my life, I have had good friends whose families were originally from different countries. I like learning about the good, interesting aspects of other cultures. Our appearance and first language aren't what make us human; there's no value in a particular skin colour. Besides, my ancestors came to Canada as immigrants, too.

As long as the immigrant groups who come here are willing to become fully Canadian, I welcome them all (not that my government consulted any of us about it in advance).

My real difficulty is in knowing what I know about the fundamentals of Islam and what the Islamic garb signifies. This is what makes me uncomfortable: knowing the ideology behind the hijab, niqab, red beard, etc.

Posted by: Josephine at September 6, 2007 6:55 PM

"Occasionally I see women wearing full hijab, with a tight form-fitting sweater. This I find puzzling."
Posted by: DhimmiNot

I'm always (silently) disgruntled when I see a young woman in a hijab wearing what my non-religious father would have called "slutty" shoes or sandals and would have forbidden me to wear. (I wasn't allowed to wear close-toed, sling-back shoes.)

Or when a woman in the full garb (with or without face showing) and her children are wearing expensive, name-brand shoes and pushing a top-of-the-line baby stroller.

Then I have to remind myself that the covering of the hair, body and/or face is not about true modesty: it is about the appearance of modesty and control over women's sexuality. And about signaling that the wearer belongs to a particular club or society which is "superior" to mine.

Posted by: Josephine at September 6, 2007 7:05 PM

The canadians are fools to allow muslims to come into their country in hordes. They will wake up to the fact when it is too late/

Posted by: callmeinfidel at September 6, 2007 7:12 PM

I guess it's time to take the Maple Leaf off the flag and put on the Cuckoo's Egg.

The Invasion of the Country Snatchers, eh?

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 7, 2007 1:57 AM

You think it is bad in Toronto

Two call girls have dropped assault charges against the nephew of a North African sponsor of terrorism, Britain's Crown Prosecution Service said on Monday.

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/09/sex-in-city.html

Posted by: shiva at September 7, 2007 3:07 AM

The covering of hair seems to be the baseline standard of strict Muslim female control in Western societies. Almost always wrapped tightly to cover the ears, unlike a scarf carelessly tied to conceal a bad hair day, it is the clearest signal to Muslim males that the woman is property of another Muslim male whose rights must be respected.

All others, "unprotected," can just take their chances.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at September 7, 2007 3:11 AM

In Toronto, white anglo-saxons are now the minority - in our own country! When I worked there, I would often get into an elevator in the office tower and be the only whitey there. At that time, 6 years ago, there were a lot of asian immigrants (as in, oriental people). I guess I missed the huge influx of muslims.

Nova Scotia is still pretty white, at least in the rural area where I live. Halifax, the provincial capitol, may be a different story. I don't go there often as I am not a fan of cities.

Personally, I don't think Canadians as a whole are any more dhimmified than the average American or Brit. Our politicians are the same as politicians the world over - caving in to islamists. It's very discouraging.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 7, 2007 8:17 AM

"Personally, I don't think Canadians as a whole are any more dhimmified than the average American or Brit. Our politicians are the same as politicians the world over - caving in to islamists. It's very discouraging." Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

I agree.

Posted by: Josephine at September 7, 2007 12:10 PM

All others, "unprotected," can just take their chances.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter

True, but that is why I live in a state that allows me to carry items that improve my chances.

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at September 7, 2007 1:29 PM

Seeing more non-whites than whites in Canada (or othere places where it had been predominantly white) is a result of the West's embrace of the culture of death. Abortion, artificial birth control, assisted suicide...

Muslims have more babies, whites don't. It's math.

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 3:03 AM

"... do you recall the attempt by a Muslim woman to keep her niqab/burqa on for her driver's license photo? It was in NJ, VA, or one of the Carolinas...I think."

Miss_Anthrope,

I don't know about the other states you mentioned, but it did happen here, in Florida. The woman's name was Sultana Freeman.

The state waffled on it, just enough to make me nervous, then said, "No".

The irony is, they could have used her police mugshot, if she refused to unveil. She had one, with several offenses listed.

Posted by: Stormwarning at September 9, 2007 1:27 AM

Stormwarning -- Now that's funny.

She's too pious to reveal her face but she has a criminal record?

Posted by: Josephine at September 9, 2007 9:23 AM