Shocka

Posted by: Elric66 at September 19, 2007 11:36 AM

Methinks I hear the sound of a toilet flushing somewhere, no wait, it's just Turkey and all its recent historical progress being re-routed into the collection sewer where all other Islamic, theocratic societies inhabit.

Posted by: awake at September 19, 2007 11:52 AM

He took some quotes from you guys, maybe even me :-)

http://eaglespearlsofwisdom.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/

Posted by: Elric66 at September 19, 2007 11:55 AM

...local crazed, bearded , fingerpointing Islamic clerics must have made him an offer he could not refuse....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 19, 2007 11:55 AM

I object to the word 'headscarf.' A headscarf was something my mother wore to keep her coiffure intact on a windy day. It was take off indoors. We are talking about an entirely different head covering for women, and the purpose is not to maintain your hairstyle.

But I digress. Why don't they ban compulsory hijab/niqab or religiously mandated clothing? This seems a roundabout solution. Will the military press for a constitutional re-write here over protections for secularism?

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 19, 2007 11:57 AM

"Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan was quoted in the Financial Times on Wednesday as saying he wanted to lift the ban on the Islamic headscarf in universities as part of a planned constitutional overhaul."
-- from the article above

"There is a Turk, reigns in the East,
Yclept Tayyip. Islam's sly priest,
He puts the hijab back in schools.
But softly. Slowly. By the rules.
First a little, thence to more,
He 'sinuates his killing store."

And into our hearts an air that kills, from yon far country blows.

Posted by: Hugh at September 19, 2007 11:58 AM

Elric66

I cannot log onto that site you reference any more. Most of those people are beyond hope, and it is of no use trying to make them see reality.

Why don't you shake the dirt off your sandals and quit?

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 19, 2007 12:06 PM

CG,

Probaly right. :-)

Posted by: Elric66 at September 19, 2007 12:09 PM

Will he move to end taking Christians and Jews as friends and protectors and leave NATO?

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 19, 2007 12:52 PM

he wanted to lift the ban on the Islamic headscarf in universities

Yup. Logical first step. 10 Years from now the next step would be compulsory wearing of the headscarf.

The secular Turks will really warm to this sorting out of the constitution.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at September 19, 2007 1:52 PM

This from 2005 and it's still continuing:

http://www.globalengage.org/about/prayer.aspx?id=2188

"the Turkish media has fanned intense criticism of Christian missionary activity. Even government ministers have claimed that foreign missionaries had political motives aimed at 'damaging the social peace and unity of Turkey."

The government and the army are complicit in inciting violence against Christians.

This from 2006:

Over the party's four-year tenure, Mr. Erdogan has spoken of democracy, tolerance and liberalism, but waged a slow and steady assault on the system. He endorsed, for example, the dream of Turkey's secular elite to enter the European Union, but only to embrace reforms diluting the checks and balances of military constitutional enforcement. After the European Court of Human Rights upheld a ban on headscarves in public schools, he changed course. "It is wrong that those who have no connection to this field [of religion] make such a decision . . . without consulting Islamic scholars," he declared. Then in May 2006, his chief negotiator for accession talks ordered the removal, from a negotiating paper, of reference to Turkey's educational system as secular.

The assault on the secular education system has been subtle but effective. Traditionally, students had three choices: enroll at religious academies (so-called Imam Hatips) and enter the clergy; learn a trade at vocational schools; or matriculate at secular high schools, attend university and pursue a career. Mr. Erdogan changed the system: By equating Imam Hatip degrees with high-school degrees, he enabled Islamist students to enter university and qualify for government jobs without ever mastering Western fundamentals. He also sought to bypass checks and balances. After the Higher Education Board composed of university rectors rejected his demands to make universities more welcoming of political Islam, the AKP-dominated parliament proposed to establish 15 new universities. While Mr. Erdogan told diplomats his goal was to promote education, Turkish academics say the move would enable him to handpick rectors and swamp the board with political henchmen.

Such tactics have become commonplace. At Mr. Erdogan's insistence and over the objections of many secularists, the AKP passed legislation to lower the mandatory retirement age of technocrats. This could mean replacement of nearly 4,000 out of 9,000 judges. Turks are suspicious that the AKP seeks to curtail judicial independence. In May 2005, AKP Parliamentary Speaker Bülent Arinç warned that the AKP might abolish the constitutional court if its judges continued to hamper its legislation. Mr. Erdogan's refusal to implement Supreme Court decisions levied against his government underline his contempt for rule of law. Last May, in the heat of the AKP's anti-judiciary rhetoric, an Islamist lawyer protesting the headscarf ban shouted "Allahu Akbar," opened fire in the Supreme Court and murdered a judge. Thousands attended his funeral, chanting pro-secular slogans. Mr. Erdogan was absent from the ceremony.

There have been other subtle changes. Mr. Erdogan has replaced nearly every member of the banking regulatory board with officials from the Islamic banking sector. Accusations of Saudi capital subsidizing AKP are rampant

Over the party's four-year tenure, Mr. Erdogan has spoken of democracy, tolerance and liberalism, but waged a slow and steady assault on the system. He endorsed, for example, the dream of Turkey's secular elite to enter the European Union, but only to embrace reforms diluting the checks and balances of military constitutional enforcement. After the European Court of Human Rights upheld a ban on headscarves in public schools, he changed course. "It is wrong that those who have no connection to this field [of religion] make such a decision . . . without consulting Islamic scholars," he declared. Then in May 2006, his chief negotiator for accession talks ordered the removal, from a negotiating paper, of reference to Turkey's educational system as secular.

The assault on the secular education system has been subtle but effective. Traditionally, students had three choices: enroll at religious academies (so-called Imam Hatips) and enter the clergy; learn a trade at vocational schools; or matriculate at secular high schools, attend university and pursue a career. Mr. Erdogan changed the system: By equating Imam Hatip degrees with high-school degrees, he enabled Islamist students to enter university and qualify for government jobs without ever mastering Western fundamentals. He also sought to bypass checks and balances. After the Higher Education Board composed of university rectors rejected his demands to make universities more welcoming of political Islam, the AKP-dominated parliament proposed to establish 15 new universities. While Mr. Erdogan told diplomats his goal was to promote education, Turkish academics say the move would enable him to handpick rectors and swamp the board with political henchmen.

Such tactics have become commonplace. At Mr. Erdogan's insistence and over the objections of many secularists, the AKP passed legislation to lower the mandatory retirement age of technocrats. This could mean replacement of nearly 4,000 out of 9,000 judges. Turks are suspicious that the AKP seeks to curtail judicial independence. In May 2005, AKP Parliamentary Speaker Bülent Arinç warned that the AKP might abolish the constitutional court if its judges continued to hamper its legislation. Mr. Erdogan's refusal to implement Supreme Court decisions levied against his government underline his contempt for rule of law. Last May, in the heat of the AKP's anti-judiciary rhetoric, an Islamist lawyer protesting the headscarf ban shouted "Allahu Akbar," opened fire in the Supreme Court and murdered a judge. Thousands attended his funeral, chanting pro-secular slogans. Mr. Erdogan was absent from the ceremony.

There have been other subtle changes. Mr. Erdogan has replaced nearly every member of the banking regulatory board with officials from the Islamic banking sector. Accusations of Saudi capital subsidizing AKP are rampant

http://www.meforum.org/article/1036

Also, as Hugh has posted, devout Muslims are infiltrating the army. Erdogan is islamicising the entire institutional infrastructure of the country. In a decade or so Turkey will be a fully-fledged shariah state.

Posted by: Silvester at September 19, 2007 2:00 PM

Sorry for double post.

Also alchohol is banned in AK constituencies.

Posted by: Silvester at September 19, 2007 2:03 PM

Ten years? I give it less time than that. Once the headgear ban really begins to totter, expect to see increasing numbers of Muslimahs with tightly wrapped heads on the streets. At first it will be the true believers, obedient to their male handlers, but with their presence the verbal and physical harassment of uncovered women will begin to amplify. Soon enough it will become difficult, and then unbearable, to conduct one's life as a woman without dressing as Muslimah chattel -- to attempt otherwise will risk assault, rape, and murder.

It's an easy point of attack for Islamists -- always, always go after the women first -- and one that will reap rapid and extensive rewards throughout society for them.

"A nation is never conquered until the hearts of its women are on the ground." Forcing women through abuse and harassment to adopt the choking, muffling, degrading dress demanded by aggressors is one of the faster ways to conquest -- for what does it say about their men?

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at September 19, 2007 2:17 PM

U.S. May Escort Ahmadinejad to Ground Zero.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27110_Outrage_of_the_Day

I hope he doesnt return

Posted by: Elric66 at September 19, 2007 3:34 PM

Erdogan just wants Turkish women to have the same rights they have in the rest of Europe.

Posted by: David England at September 19, 2007 4:16 PM

Civil war in the making. This might actually be good for Europe in the long run. If Turkey goes taliban, even the scum that rule the EU won't have the nerve to impose 80 million medieval barbarians upon us.

I have personal reasons to dislike Turkey, but I actually feel sorry for the Turkish seculars.

Posted by: cruzado at September 19, 2007 4:19 PM

I don't really think headscarves should be banned, except in situations and places where there's a dress code or safety concerns. They only cover your hair. Sikhs wear turbans but nobody has a problem with those.

Of course, there's the problem of family and peer pressure forcing women to wear headscavers even if they don't want to (as stated by Reuters), so perhaps a ban is simply necessary. If Muslims are left to their own devices they'll just force everyone to wear it.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at September 19, 2007 5:03 PM

Can we at least ban the veil? It gives me the creeps walking down the street, or the halls of the college, and having some individual with a hidden face who can see me just fine, swaddled in an enormous cape that could conceal who knows what.

Posted by: Surak at September 19, 2007 5:30 PM

Yes Elricc, I heard on CNN that Amnanutjob was planning to tour Ground Zero to survey the damage inflicted by the evil Jews.

(end sarcasm, begin outrage)

The blood of the 9/11 victims cries out from the ground because our sworn enemy is allowed to stroll around and revel in the handiwork of his fellow cultists.

I'd like to see the UN Headquarters relocated to Jefferson County, Missouri where that little baboon would be taken on a tour he'd never forget.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 19, 2007 5:34 PM

UPDATE:

Ahmanutjob is being refused a tour of Ground Zero by the NYPD on "security grounds."

Yes, some poor victim's family member might be looking at him through a rifle scope.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 19, 2007 5:52 PM

Next Headline:

HEADSCARVES NOW MANDATORY IN TURKEY

They don't want "tolerance", they want dominance.

Tolerance is just a tool, like a butcher's knife.

Same goal.

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 19, 2007 7:14 PM

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Posted by: traeh at September 19, 2007 7:20 PM

Next headline:

HEADSCARVES MANDATORY IN TURKEY.

They don't want "tolerance" they want dominance.

Tolerance is just a tool, like a butcher's knife.

All for an edge.

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 19, 2007 7:27 PM

As in all things Islamic it feeds and grows on itself. Scarved and unscarved becomes an inescapable distinction. Unscarved= 'more available sexually' than scarved.

The male owners of the scarved womb-beasts then start making life miserable and even dangerous for the unscarved. Relentless and UNBELIEVABLY SWIFT process as we have seen and in no time at all even non-Muslims will be covering up.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at September 19, 2007 8:10 PM

Turkey must not be allowed into the European Union.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 19, 2007 9:01 PM

Hugh
Like your verse.
Anyone surprised by smoothie 'Turkish Delight'
Erdogan wanting to remove Ban on Islamic Head Scarves tho' we may be surprised by speed...
Let this Bigot & his henchmen show the REAL Turkey
A.S.A.P-betcha this old Caliphate Bird NEVER gets
admitted to E.U despite moronic Bush urging it.
May the Kurds get a Homeland & Greece Constantinople back-hey I'll drink Alcohol to that!

Posted by: Morgane at September 19, 2007 9:12 PM

I had help from A. E. H.

Posted by: Hugh at September 19, 2007 10:48 PM

Hugh-- A.E. Houseman? The same author who penned "Oh, When I Was In Love With You"?

One of my favorites, at any rate, and applicable to so many areas of life, including geopolitical marriages of (in)convenience.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 19, 2007 11:32 PM

O/T:

Well this didn't last very long...

LONDON — A British woman who married a son of Usama bin Laden says the couple is divorcing because of opposition from his family, The Sun newspaper reported Wednesday.

Jane Felix-Browne, a 51-year-old grandmother from Moulton, a village in northwestern England, married Omar Bin Laden, 27, in both Egypt and Saudi Arabia in April...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297283,00.html

Posted by: atheling at September 19, 2007 11:44 PM

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Posted by: traeh at September 20, 2007 1:04 AM

Yes, that Housman. Of Moses Jackson, cheat-and-charmer, Preface to Manilius fame.

Posted by: Hugh at September 20, 2007 6:02 AM

Maybe instead of head scarves they could wear arm bands?

Posted by: NoMoDupe at September 20, 2007 5:46 PM