If this person were my blood, I'd personally remove the name from that Dhimmi-garden.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 20, 2007 11:24 AM

I always wondered why Muslims pray towards Mecca. Do Muslims believe Allah lives in Mecca or do they believe that God is everywhre? Honest question. Does anyone know?

Posted by: Elric66 at September 20, 2007 11:28 AM

They probably face Mecca as a holdover from their asteroid-worshipping cult, since that's where the rock is sitting.

Perhaps they copied (and screwed up the meaning of) Christian sanctuaries which face east, the direction of the rising sun.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 20, 2007 12:21 PM

CG,

It could be the moon rock. I do know in the begiing they prayed towards jerusalem and when the Jews kept pissing Mo off he changed it to mecca. I never understood why. They claim they are praying to God, so the direction shouldnt matter. But then, nothing in Islam makes sense.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 20, 2007 12:27 PM

Elric66 -- I don't know if this is accurate:

http://islam.about.com/od/mecca/p/kaaba.htm

It's interesting the way Mo and Allah kept back-dating everything. So clever of them.

The Torah and Judaism? It was Muslim first then the sneaky bad Jews changed it.

The New Testament and Christianity? It was Muslim first then the sneaky bad Christians changed it.

The Ka'aba? It was Muslim first then the sneaky bad pagans changed it.

Your soul? It was Muslim first until your sneaky bad non-Muslim parents raised you wrong.

Posted by: Josephine at September 20, 2007 12:33 PM

To US readers

Please forward this to your Congressional Representative and your US Senators. Also contact Representative Sue Myrick who formed the Anti-Terrorism caucus; contact is Andy Polk 202-225-1976

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at September 20, 2007 12:35 PM

"...by pretending that there is no such thing as the direction to Mecca..."

One day there will be no such thing as any direction to Mecca.

Unless Islam reforms out the terror.
Posted by: profitsbeard

One day there will be no such thing as mecca.. if the islamos keep up their worldwide aggression. Dresden can happen in other places..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 20, 2007 12:42 PM

Josephine,

"Muhammad and his followers took over leadership of Mecca after years of persecution."

I love that line. Poor Mo was persecuted. He didnt "take over" the leadership. He conquered Mecca by force. At least they admit they pray towards a moon rock. Very odd since one of Mo's big beefs was idol worship.

Mo was good at chaging things to suit his need.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 20, 2007 12:46 PM

OT. Did you notice something?

The moFoes are a bunch of stone worshippers.

They have that moon rock they stampede around like mad lemmings once a year.

They worship a crescent moon which is a stone really.

They live in the stone age.

They love to stone people.

The throw stones at Israeli soldiers and complain when the soldiers throw them back or open fire.

moslems are WEIRD.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 20, 2007 12:49 PM

An architecture student gives some interesting comments about the design:

http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=459

Excerpts:

"[...]Astute internet commentators noticed a shocking resemblance between the winning memorial design by Paul Murdoch Architects, and the traditional Islamic crescent--and not being discreet about it, the winning design is called "Crescent of Embrace." To illustrate the similarities, Zombie Time posts image overlays.

The only people who know the true intentions of the design are the members of the design team--and unless they tell us otherwise, we can only speculate. As an architectural designer amidst rigorous architectural training, designs such as this will always be primarily based on symbolism. Undoubtedly, in the schematic design phase of this project, the designers must have held a long charrette to decide which direction to take the design, and there must have been a discussion on what would be appropriate symbolism, and what would be inappropriate. Paul Murdoch defends the design.

"A crescent is part of architectural vocabulary. It's a generic form used in design," said Paul Murdoch, one of the winning architects. "We don't see any one group having ownership of it."

"Crescent of Embrace" features an arc of maple trees that will turn red each fall.

Murdoch believes it's unfortunate that the design is being interpreted that way.

"You can call it all kinds of things. We can call it an arc. We can call it a circle. We can call it the edge of the bowl. The label doesn't matter to us in terms of intent.

"We have no objection to calling it something else."

Murdoch did say they have no intentions of changing the design.

The reason the circle of trees is not completed, he said, is because it was severed by the path of Flight 93. From that opening, visitors will be able to gaze down on what has been called the "Sacred Ground," where some of the remains of the passengers and crew still rest.

In some ways, Murdoch is correct, and the crescent/arc/circle/edge of a bowl is a shape that is fairly commonplace in architectural jargon. However, any designer could come up with an infinite number of ways to create an incomplete path or shape to symbolize the severed path of Flight 93. It is the responsibility of the designer to examine the possibilities and determine from many points of view if the design is appropriate. This is not merely a case of one or two people seeing the Islamic crescent, it goes beyond.

The shape of the crescent, while it has its rightful place, the circumstances of this memorial should have sent this design through the paper shredder. In a profession that receives criticism and praise through interpretation, this design represents the failure of the designer to understand the full implications of such a design. As blogger Bryan Preston suggests, "What next--a holocaust memorial in the shape of a swastika?" Another blogger, Ed Morrissey says, "can you imagine the outcry from the multiculturalists and the ACLU had the design incorporated a cross or a Star of David in honor of the victims? Why should we tolerate the Crescent that, inadvertently or deliberately, honors the terrorists?" These criticisms are valid, and if architectural laymen can see it, I would ask architect Paul Murdoch, "why don't you?"

[…]
No one outside the design team can say for certain that this Islamic crescent was an intentional design element or not, but I can say with certainty that any design, especially designs for memorials, are more about symbolism than utility and economy; symbolism is everything. A design for a memorial is one of a handful of projects where a designer can take symbolism to the extreme--an opportunity not afforded to most projects and budgets.

The designers, if not initially aware of the presence of the Islamic crescent in the design, became aware of the inference of the crescent in short order, and probably disregarded the relationship or worse yet, silently embraced it. The designers created this design cognizant of its implications in all dimensions--and if they can claim they were not aware of the appearance of the crescent, did not understand what it meant, realized it and did nothing, than they have failed as designers.[...]"

End of excerpts. Bolding added.

Posted by: Khaybar Oasis at September 20, 2007 1:10 PM

They may as well refer to it as the crescent of submission.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 20, 2007 1:53 PM

"Crescent of Embrace."

More like Crescent of Neverending Demands...

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 20, 2007 1:59 PM

Have any of you ever visited the USS Arizona in Pearl Harbor? You view a movie first, and it reminds you why we entered WWII.

Same for the Daniel Boone home in Missouri. You watch a movie about the Indians that kidnapped Boone's daughter, and how he rescued her. The movie was rather violent.

This whole Shanksville, PA memorial for flight 93 should reflect what actually happened to those people on 9/11, and who they were in life, not some wind-chimey, fairy tale, kumbaya garden.

Could someone visit that memorial in 50 years and understand what is being remembered?

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 20, 2007 2:00 PM

I always wondered why Muslims pray towards Mecca.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 20, 2007 11:28 AM

Posted by: Shy Guy at September 20, 2007 2:06 PM

Elric check this

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-meteorite-worship.htm

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 20, 2007 2:50 PM

KAOSKTRL,

Very interesting reading. I knew Islam stole alot from the pagans. I didnt know to that extent.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 20, 2007 2:57 PM

This is from the last link Robert posted. It's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

"But wouldn't it be on the news if it were true"

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at September 20, 2007 3:09 PM

Muslims bow in the direction towards Mecca because of the worship of the cube where their moon-rock-god is housed.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 20, 2007 3:54 PM

Sorry to be OT

Elric, Awake,

Guess I am banned after this

Eagle has been blocking my posts

His lastest posting is very revealing

He has likened Jihad Watchers to Nazi,s and Islamists

ACCORDING TO TO EAGLE AT PEARLS OF WISDOM Many posters at JIHAD WATCH/DHIMMI WATCH ARE ON PAR WITH NAZIS AND JIHADISTS

NOW
DOES THIS CLUE-LESS IDIOT QUALIFY TO BE AWARDED AS WANKER OF THE WEEK

Here what Eagle says

In the very short time I have been doing this, I have seen some very nasty comments. Comments overflowing with hate. You have all seen the quotes I have put up from radical Islamist/Jihadist.

Those are just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, it is bad out there. Some of you already know that, some of you don’t. It makes me think back to Nazi Germany, the speeches and propaganda, geared towards turning the citizens against the Jews.

I sometimes wonder about the hate speech I have seen though. I mean, do you think that normal Muslims visit those websites?? The Islamist and his buddies already know what the other are thinking, so why do you suppose they would use hate speech propaganda??

Maybe they are hoping for the same thing the Nazi’s did. That should a ‘normal’ Muslim wander in, they can sway them with their suave use of the English language.

Here’s what I wanna do, I am going to put up some comments, with some blanks in it. Some are current, some are from the 1930’s. See if you can tell the difference. Tomorrow I will break it down for you.

Some of this is hard to listen to, but it is worth it. I will be leaving out part of the comment so as to not give it away as to whether this is now or then. Some may seem evident, but lets see if I can disguise them enough.

The number of X’s mean nothing.

(I have filled blanks the with red , and below each comment I have entered the source Shiva )

1) Europe is a sinking ship that the (Jews) are fleeing along with (women and children). They (sail the high sea’s) with pain in their hearts, hoping to find a rescuing coast with friendly people ready to receive them.

Mungo, "Die Panic Party," in Die Marsbewohner sind da! Politische Satiren (Berlin: Carl Stephenson Verlag, 1939), pp. 50-62.

2) I don’t mingle much with (Moslems) I see a only few on my way home from work at (Rockefeller Center), but most of them are selling foul-smelling food from carts. I can’t imagine living in an area infested by them. I would move away.

Posted by: Seymour Paine At Jihad Watch

3) We MUST make it uncomfortable for the enemy to enjoy its accomodations in (the West) - by any means necessary, if I may quote a knowledgeable source

I suspect this is also lifted from JW/DW

4) Lets ban (Muslim) Immigration…

Posted by: exsgtbrown At Jihad Watch

The full monty at with links

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/09/shit-is-not-so-clue-less.html

And if any-body would like to comment to the clueless

http://eaglespearlsofwisdom.wordpress.com/2007/09/20/then-or-now-the-key/#comment-1163

Posted by: shiva at September 20, 2007 4:00 PM

KAOSKTRL,

"Elric check this

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-meteorite-worship.htm "

When I had also checked out that posting, and had seen pictures of that Muslims kissing that rock, in other words, worshiping it.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 20, 2007 4:01 PM

Josephine,

....And it can also be added, enough of these sneaky-Muslim lies.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 20, 2007 4:03 PM

Allahfanculo. Indeed. They also even supposed to wipe their poo with stones. The number of the stones being three, two not being up to the job, and four being, in any case, right out.

I, nabi ZK, nabi to the worthless mohametan trolls, wise, munificent, trustworthy to a fault, etc., etc., using Kreskin like powers of discernment, see a pattern developing here.

nabi ZK

...and the nabified one was heard to ask: Why did they, like, break the rock and then, like, glue it back together? What if it breaks again? Like then what?

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 20, 2007 4:20 PM

It is obvious that Mr Burnett Sr finds this "memorial" utterly profane in its design. Those who support this edifice have no right to forcibly memorialise individuals whose families object to the thing. They wouldn't dare erect a cross, or Shield of David, to commemorate slain muslims.

This whole memorial is tacky, controversial and fatally flawed. Why couldn't they select something as dignified and evocative as the Oklahoma memorial? Sack the designer and start afresh.

Posted by: Monty at September 20, 2007 4:20 PM

I also dont understand how the name can go on if the family requests it not be.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 20, 2007 4:29 PM

(PLEASE POST THIS ANNOUNCEMENT AT OTHER WEBSITES)

The U.S. Senate Project (an initiative to increase congressional awareness of the nature and goals of jihad) currently has 90 volunteers in 41 states.

WE ARE STILL SEEKING ADDITIONAL CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL 50 STATES, ESPECIALLY THE FOLLOWING 10:

Connecticut
Delaware
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Vermont
West Virginia
Wyoming

THE PROJECT: We're looking for people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase, from Amazon or any other source, a copy of Robert Spencer's new book Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn't and mail it, on an agreed upon date, to one of the senators in your state. We want to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the U.S. House of Representatives.

If you'd like to participate (or you just have questions), please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading "Senate," and tell me the state your senator represents, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.

And visit jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.

Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.

Right before each of us mails the book, we’ll issue a press release to media outlets in as many states as possible, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.

One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the Anti-Jihad Caucus in Congress. I'll try to coordinate this project with Rep. Myrick. I've also been calling various congressional offices to get advice on how best to proceed.

Posted by: traeh at September 20, 2007 4:59 PM

"Mo was good at chaging things to suit his need." Posted by: Elric66

"And it can also be added, enough of these sneaky-Muslim lies." Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

-- Agreed.

Posted by: Josephine at September 20, 2007 5:34 PM

Hello all, I visit this site often but have never posted. I am tired of nobody calling the architect on this. Back in Sept. 2005, I posted a blog entry on a friend's blog (http://spitfireshurricane.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_archive.html) in which I propose that the architect Murdoch knew exactly what he was doing and perhaps was probably inspired by the theories of a Columbia professor. Due perhaps to the obscurity of the blog my musings were never picked up, so I am reposting here in the hopes that people will read this (and maybe ask Murdoch if he's familiar with Professor Gayatri Spivak):

By now many bloggers are aware of the controversy over the "winning" Flight 93 memorial design, by one Paul Murdoch, a Los Angeles architect. Entitled "Crescent of Embrace", the design, bluntly put, emulates an Islamic crescent. (See here for pic.) As with many architects, Murdoch fancies himself a deep thinker, and this usually means being able to spout the latest in post-modern, deconstructionist nonsense. I believe the Architect Murdoch knows exactly what he is doing; his task was to design a memorial about an event involving suicide bombers. He may have found his inspiration in Columbia Professor Gayatri Spivak's "post-colonial" deconstruction of terrorism. Professor Spivak offered her views on the concept of "deconstructive embrace" in a notorious speech at Leeds University in 2002, and "deconstructed" the concept of suicide bombing. An excerpt from her speech at Leeds:

Suicide bombing -- and the planes of 9/11 were living bombs -- is a purposive self-annihilation, a confrontation between oneself and oneself, the extreme end of autoeroticism; killing oneself as other, in the process of killing others... the destruction of others is indistinguishable from the destruction of the self...Suicidal resistance is a message inscribed in the body when no other means will get through. It is both execution and mourning, for both self and other. For you die with me for the same cause, no matter which side are you on. Because no matter who you are, there are no designated killees [sic] in suicide bombing....there is no dishonor in such shared and innocent death. [Quoted in The New Republic, July 29, 2002, p.9]

She continues:

The ideal relation to the Other, then, is an 'embrace, an act of love'.... Such an embrace may be unrequited, as the differences and distances are too great, but if we are ever to get beyond the vicious cycle of abuse, it is essential to remain open-hearted; not to attempt to recreate the Other narcissistically, in one's own image, but generously, with care and attention.

Mr. Murdoch, this is your thinking too, and you've been outed!

(Also, go to Amazon and see that one of the SIPs for one of her books is: "deconstructive embrace".)

Posted by: Glenn Arden at September 20, 2007 5:37 PM

Glenn Arden,

Columbia Professor Gayatri Spivak is another nutcase. What kind of an idiot would romanticize suicide bombings? Suicide bombing is the most cowardly way to deal with things. These suicide bombers killed children, women, unarmed men...cowards, the whole lot of them.

I agree with you, this Murdoch thing did this with full knowledge of what he was doing. It's dispicable how anybody can glorify muslims on a 911 memorial.

If there was an anti-American award somwhere, I nominate this murdoch creep.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at September 20, 2007 6:12 PM

Yes, Professor Spivak's theorizing appears to be the "intellectual" support for what Murdoch is doing. The concept of the "deconstructive embrace" between the suicide bomber and his victims, thereby "erasing" any difference between the them; only a "progressive" without a moral compass would see things this way.

Posted by: DowntownRod at September 20, 2007 6:19 PM

Allahfanculo-

I was thinking of Mecca more in the "Ozymandias" vein, a forgotten and scorned wasteland, but someone at edit must have mistaken my phrasing for something more aggressive. (Surviving only in you commentary.)

I cannot wish away cities.

Mecca, or Perth Amboy.

May the Ka'aba, one day, be as useful as the Pyramids.

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 20, 2007 6:49 PM

Deconstruction.....hmmm....

What... an... interesting concept with regards to this Mohammedan Shrine to the 19 terrorist.

Is this an invitation of sorts by the "architect" propagandist for a certain action to be taken?

Posted by: senor doeboy at September 20, 2007 6:57 PM

OT, OT.. I am listening to Michael Savage right now. He just said that the Bush administration plans to bring in loads of iraqi "refugees" in recognition of "our" responsibility for these refugees.

Unbelievable! Look for more foot washing basins to be built in our airports.. In Europe these iraqi "refugees" go on rape and crime sprees while sponging off the local community. Andyone who objects is autmatically a "Nazi" and a "racist".

And I heard earlier today on "n"pr that they're letting in 400 "palestinians" into Brazil!

Imagine the "cultural exchange" when these "refugees" see all those "uncovered pieces of meat".

Like flies on shit. No insult intended to the beautiful women of Brazil.

Brazilian Men better be watching out for the women when these beasts get off the plane in São Paulo, which is where they will be headed. I've never hoped for a plane crash before, but.. Maybe Achichbbeineinihadnazi.. oh well..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 20, 2007 7:51 PM

I cannot wish away cities.
Mecca, or Perth Amboy. May the Ka'aba, one day, be as useful as the Pyramids. -Posted by: profitsbeard

Good heavens, Perth Amboy? I grew up there. Never imagined I'd see it juxtaposed with Mecca here at JW/DW. Is nothing sacred? /

Posted by: miira at September 20, 2007 8:20 PM

Let me just bring in one name. Paul de Man, the Belgian Nazi collaborator and along with Jacques Derrida the father of deconstructionism and between them the petri dish of deconstructionist thought.
De Man's cowardly collaborations and anti-semitic writings for the Nazis and the creation of the whole deconstructionist anti-human project are INTIMATELY connected. De Man hid his sordid past and the whole cowardly project of his intellectual construct can be seen as an elaborate DENIAL and excuse of that past.

The 'crescent of Islam' memorial is VERY much in tune with de Man.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at September 20, 2007 8:35 PM

Allahfanculo,

Geez, leave it to bush to bring in more terrorists during a war against...terrorists.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at September 20, 2007 10:09 PM

I am confident some kind souls will honour Tom Burnett Sr.'s desires and illegally remove his son's name. Indeed, I hope Tom Sr. does it himself.

As for the crescent, since it has no place at such a memorial, it also should be removed.

And once it is repaired, it will be removed again and again and again.

Posted by: James Martel at September 20, 2007 10:22 PM

"Columbia Professor Gayatri Spivak's "post-colonial" deconstruction of terrorism. Professor Spivak offered her views on the concept of "deconstructive embrace"

What a steaming pile of schit!

Posted by: alexon at September 20, 2007 11:45 PM

I'm not normally one for vandalism or defacing monuments except in extreme cases, and this is an extreme case if there ever was one. If this proposed "memorial" is built as planned, Tom Burnett Sr. would be absolutely justified in taking a chisel and removing his son's name from the vile piece of garbage. If it could be guaranteed no-one would get hurt, I would be all for blowing up the filthy thing. What is equally shocking to me, other than the overtly Muslim nature of the proposed memorial (NONE of the victims on flight 93 were Muslim; it's as insulting, inappropriate and ludricrous as raising a huge cross at the site of a massacre of Hindus or Buddhists), is that the four sub-human scum who hijacked the plane are being included in the memorial among Flight 93's victims! Is this really true, or just a rumour? Are they actually going to include the NAMES of those animals? Excuse me, people: those repitilian creatures CHOSE to die, for the sole purpose of KILLING AS MANY OTHER PEOPLE AS THEY POSSIBLY COULD. They were not VICTIMS! To include those ass-wipes in any way in a memorial would be as obscene as listing mass-murderer Marc Lepine as the 15th "victim" of the Montreal Massacre of 1989, placing him on an equal footing with the 14 innocent young women students he murdered in cold blood before shooting himself. Nobody in Canada would dream of suggesting such a thing; they would be shouted down in an instant. Why are American people choosing to honour the murderers of their own countrymen in this way? I just don't understand it. If I were an American, I would be in an absolute rage over this. PLEASE, my American friends, fight this thing: you cannot let this obscenity of a "memorial" go ahead.

Posted by: angloirishslav at September 21, 2007 2:24 AM

...and as for Prof. Gayatri Spivak, she needs a very un-postmodern sock stuffed in her mouth. Or failing that, she needs to spend a few hours alone with an Islamofascist wannabe suicide bomber, something that will put all her wonderfully abstract theories to the test. I was forced to read a lot of this brand of unintelligible post-modern crud, including bile written by Spivak herself, when I was a graduate student of English Literature; it nearly drove me berserk then and still raises my hackles now.

"Because no matter who you are, there are no designated killees [sic] in suicide bombing....there is no dishonor in such shared and innocent death."

Huh?? Gayatri, I think you've been smoking too much ganja weed. No "designated killees" in suicide bombing? Have you talked to an aspiring suicide bomber lately??? I would suggest they have some pretty darn specific "designated killees" in mind.

"...no dishonor..."??? Suicide bombers don't intend to show disrespect to, humiliate, and utterly demoralize their victims? "Sorry folks, nothing personal here"?? Again, I think the killers themselves would not welcome the notion of sharing Paradise and their 72 virgins with their "killees."

You really must share some of whatever it is you're smoking.

"The ideal relation to the Other, then, is an 'embrace, an act of love'...."...right, just like the Islamofascists "embrace" their own "Others" by blowing them to smithereens.

"If we are ever to get beyond the vicious cycle of abuse, it is essential to remain open-hearted..."

Gayatri, it is not a challenge for us to remain "open-hearted" in our attitude toward killers, it's for their victims and the families and friends of their victims. Forgiveness is not yours to give. "Forgiving" a killer whose actions had no personal impact on you is the easiest thing in the world, but it does not make you a morally superior person; it makes you a non-person.

God, I hate academics. This from one who used to be one.

Posted by: angloirishslav at September 21, 2007 2:49 AM

Very OT so apologies: From Shiva who posted this about half the way up the comments section" He - Eagle - has likened Jihad Watchers to Nazi,s and Islamists.......ACCORDING TO TO EAGLE AT PEARLS OF WISDOM Many posters at JIHAD WATCH/DHIMMI WATCH ARE ON PAR WITH NAZIS AND JIHADISTS.......NOW DOES THIS CLUE-LESS IDIOT QUALIFY TO BE AWARDED AS WANKER OF THE WEEK"

He all but admitted he couldn't argue with Mr Spencer with regards to knowledge of Islam. So instead of reading up on the subject which takes too much time, he took the moral high ground and hurled abuse at Mr Spencer.

So, as to your question. Yep. Eagle's a prize wanker

Back on thread: I agree with angloirishslav " If I were an American, I would be in an absolute rage over this. PLEASE, my American friends, fight this thing: you cannot let this obscenity of a "memorial" go ahead."

It is indeed an obscenity.

Posted by: ewha1 at September 21, 2007 4:50 AM

So why is not this memorial in the shape of a cross or the star-of-David; why are they stubbornly insisting that the memorial must be a cresent and must face East?

Moreover, at what point did Mr. Burnett and the other families forefit their rights of refusal?

Have these families also lost their rights to sue for harrassment?

Posted by: witness at September 21, 2007 7:05 AM

Glenn Arden,

the good professor seems to be ignoring one thing in her rhapsody; that killing oneself and others is a pattern of murder adopted by many men, in the areas of domestic violence, in the areas of general killing and of course in war cf Kamikaze Japanese being one of the most recent.

Posted by: carpediadem at September 21, 2007 7:30 AM

the Project and the press are both trying to counter my warning that the giant crescent is oriented on Mecca by pretending that there is no such thing as the direction to Mecca!
..............................

This argument--noting that "the Earth is round" and hence there is no such thing as direction, is absurd. If we really believed this it would render not just a sophisticated global network of air travel impossible, but even taking your mangy camel caravan from, say, Jedda to Medina would become unworkable.

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area--were I to head toward Mecca, I would reach a lot of other places along the way--Including Rabat, Morrocco, and that very meadow in Pennsylvania where United 93 went down (I'm speaking generally; I don't have a globe right in front of me).

Were I to head South rather than East, though, I could circle the globe forever and *never* reach Mecca. This is not only a spurious argument, it is a childish one, easily disproven by anyone.
...........................

Alexon wrote:

"Columbia Professor Gayatri Spivak's "post-colonial" deconstruction of terrorism. Professor Spivak offered her views on the concept of "deconstructive embrace"

What a steaming pile of schit!
....................

I don't know if the memorial's designer was "inspired" by Deconstructionism or not; it is certainly possible.

I believe a lot of people are entirely unfamiliar with Deconstructionism, and many more probably assume that it is just one more modern "ism"--or even just an analytical tool. But it is *very* influential. Many consider Jaques Derrida the greatest of modern Philosophers.

Whenever you consider an Evil and a Good to be morally equivalent, it is the Evil that benefits. Whenever you equate victims with victimizers, it is the victimizer that gains moral stature. Put very crudely, when you mix shit and ice cream, what you get tastes more of shit than of ice cream. This Philosophy manages to combine cynicism with a complete lack of judgement--an ugly combination.

This is not just some obscure Academic fad. Whenever we hear "Palestinian" suicide bombers equated with the Israeli military, this is Deconstructionism in action. Whenever you hear Iraqi "insurgents" compared with the American Founding Fathers, it is the same. This philosophy is behind much of the reason that Ahmadinijad is in NYC, attempting to gain access to Ground Zero--because "dialogue" is always good, and those engaging in dialogue are all of equal virtue, or lack of virtue.

The proposal to include the hijackers amoung the victims of Flight 93 is more of the same.

Posted by: gravenimage at September 22, 2007 8:50 PM

If they end up including the names of the hijackers, I may well take a little weekend trip down to the U.S. and hack them off myself. (Wouldn't that make the world news...!)

Posted by: angloirishslav at September 26, 2007 1:39 AM