Coffee, tea, or me?

The coffee-and-biccies may come in handy when one is feeling peckish, and it's time for elevenses, and let's invite the Ahmeds over, but why don't we also invite, at the same time, soft-spoken Mr. Patel (of the Hindu, not the Muslim, Patels), who grew up in India and who has a brother still in Bangladesh, and who started with a single tuck shop and now owns the Curry Centre, and quiet Mrs. Goldweizer, whose parents came from Germany, and whose brother was killed while serving with the R.A.F. during the war, and of course let's also invite Professor Jones, who retiredafter all those years wandering the globe for the British Council, and who told me just the other day that he's been reading a lot about Islam, especially in the last year or two.

It will be just us, and Professor Jones, and all those immigrants -- the Ahmeds, the Hindu Patels, and Mrs. Goldweizer. They should all, no we should all, have so much in common, so much to talk about. And it will be so friendly, so intimate-like. No reason for anyone to hold back.

McVities, then? With some nice Earl Grey, from Jacksons of Piccadilly?

Posted by: Hugh at October 1, 2007 9:56 AM

Coffee? Tea, surely.

Posted by: Edinbud at October 1, 2007 10:12 AM

"White neighbors? islam is a religion not a race. Those Kraut...err...German...terrorists ready to blow a hole im Ramstein AFB are whiter than I am.

Posted by: MP at October 1, 2007 10:16 AM

Once again NuLabour shows that it is up to the task in hand. I have one answer to this worthless idiot, can the Iraqi Christians do the same? Really shows the complete lack of common sense prevailing in the government in Britain today.

Posted by: Daffersd at October 1, 2007 10:19 AM

'...and said she hoped that the government would be pushing for a "less Eurocentric culture".'

What exactly does she mean by this?

How significant is the organisation she represents?

Posted by: Big Luke at October 1, 2007 10:45 AM

Apologies for a predictable comment, but why coffee and biscuits? What's wrong with a BLT and a can of Stella?

Posted by: grobari at October 1, 2007 10:47 AM

"Zareen Roohi Ahmed of the British Muslim Forum told the meeting that the problems often stemmed from a "massive Eurocentric" view"

....whatsamatter, all those nasty EUropeans don't want to convert?........

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 1, 2007 10:55 AM

Bollocks,

My crowd (Sikhs, Hindus,Christians and Jews) we all meet at the "Arab Boy" (honest, thats what its called)Pub, in Putney.
And we drink fine beer Kronnenburg 1664

"What's wrong with a BLT and a can of Stella?"
from an islamic point of view stella would be fine after all it's nickname is "wifebeater".

Tea and biscuits my arse !!!

Posted by: apostate_islam at October 1, 2007 11:31 AM

And the reason why Europeans should NOT be eurocentric is?

Are Muslims not Islamocentric?

Such dhim-Brits are becoming a tad too ec-centric.

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 1, 2007 11:50 AM

"Apologies for a predictable comment, but why coffee and biscuits? What's wrong with a BLT and a can of Stella?

Posted by: grobari at October 1, 2007 10:47 AM"

Stella? Oh the horror! That stuff is for American limo-libs who are trying to look spophisticated by drinking European beer whithout actually having to drink something that tastes like beer. Fullers would be more appropriate. ;)

Anyway, check out the Euroweenie minister's title: "John Denham, the Secretary of State for Innovation, Universities and Skills..."

"Innovation" - hmmm, the natives are looking for ways to change while innovation continues to be blasphemy for their guests. That will need to change.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski at October 1, 2007 12:02 PM

Why don't we invite all of our Muslim neighbours to tea and biscuits at a village tea shop at 4pm during Ramadan? If they can't demonstrate their Britishness that way, then lifting a pint or two with their mates at the local pub would be another good way for them to demonstrate their willingness to assimilate into the British culture.

Barring the above, then we are left with no choice but to conclude that they have come to Britain not to assimilate, but to interleave and conquer from within, to pillage, kill and destroy.

Posted by: SaracensAtTheGates at October 1, 2007 12:13 PM

The Fabian Society???

Those morons were responsible for the pacifist movement back in the 1920's which disarmed Britain and led to the rise of Adolph Hitler who knew he could waltz into the Sudetenland because no one could stop him.

They were useful idiots to Fascism then, and now we see they are useful idiots to Islamofascism now.

Posted by: atheling at October 1, 2007 12:22 PM

If invited to an Iftar dinner, say you would be glad to accept, but only, of course, if your would-be host attends as your guest a nice Christmas celebration, or a Passover dinner, or a Denali festival. He will likely make all kinds of excuses, very fast. For he under no conditions is supposed to recognize the religious observances of Infidels. A "Merry Christmas" is verboten, unless of course some kind of "Greetings during the Christmas season" is offered by the likes of Ayatollah Khomeini or Azzam Pasha, and done solely for the purposes of promoting Islam (for in Islam, certain prohibitions as regards the Infidels can be overlooked if one can thereby further the long-term goals of Islam).

Posted by: Hugh at October 1, 2007 12:26 PM

The UK offers coffee and biscuits - the moslems offer grenades and nails.

I wonder who will win this one?

Posted by: infidel! at October 1, 2007 1:26 PM

McVities, then? With some nice Earl Grey, from Jacksons of Piccadilly?

Posted by: Hugh

Just don't give them my Hob-Nobs...how come you never mentioned anything in glass or a tin, in case we need to pull a 'Hot Fuzz' on 'em???

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at October 1, 2007 1:56 PM

"Zareen Roohi Ahmed of the British Muslim Forum told the meeting that the problems often stemmed from a 'massive Eurocentric' view and said she hoped that the government would be pushing for a 'less Eurocentric culture'."

Why couldn't she have said, "Tea on Wednesdays? Sounds lovely, thank you, I'll spread the word. We love to reach out to our neighbours."

But no, she had to work in an insult of European culture.

It's never enough, is it?

Bite the hand that is extended in friendship then cry about Islamophobia and put an "Islam is peace" poster on a bus. That'll fix us.

Posted by: Josephine at October 1, 2007 2:43 PM

This is another story of socialists and Muslims uniting, for...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
The Fabian Society is a British socialist intellectual movement, whose purpose is to advance the socialist cause by gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary means.

Posted by: markjames at October 1, 2007 2:59 PM

I have been at meetings where muslims declined tea and biscuits because they were not halal. I want to help, anyone know how to cut the throat of a biscuit?

Posted by: Fred at October 1, 2007 3:16 PM

And here are the stats and tables showing the immense contributions Moslems are making to the economic and cultural life of the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484927&in_page_id=1770

But all this is besides the point. It is the sheer scale of immigration, particularly of Moslems, that will turn Britain into an Islamic nation in a matter of three or four decades.

All the tea in China is not going to stop the ticking demographic time bomb.

Posted by: DP111 at October 1, 2007 3:35 PM

Imagine that "Eurocentric Culture" in, of all places,....Europe! Remember Ghandi's "Quit India" campaign? It's time for a quit Europe campaign. Europe for the Europeans.

Posted by: MP at October 1, 2007 3:37 PM

Second thoughts

I believe the Fabian Society takes its name and philosophy from the Roman consul Fabius around 200 BC. His policy of simply avoiding battle with Hannibal’s army for years eventually caused its break-up and dispersal. So you get the idea, if we do nothing and avoid trouble long enough the problem will just go away.

As usual they miss the critical detail that Hannibal had no wish to take over or destroy the Roman state, unlike the Romans who were eventually to destroy Carthage.

Its the same mindset of Gandhi in 1940 when he wrote an open letter to the people of Britain urging them to allow Hitler to invade because if they just carried out a policy of civil disobedience the Germans would be helpless and could do nothing. Trained as a lawyer in Britain and having dealt only with the British, Gandhi had no comprehension of what real tyranny was like. The Fabians are the same.

Posted by: Fred at October 1, 2007 3:41 PM

Hugh:
The coffee-and-biccies may come in handy when one is feeling peckish, and it's time for elevenses, and let's invite the Ahmeds over, but why don't we also invite, at the same time, soft-spoken Mr. Patel (of the Hindu, not the Muslim, Patels), who grew up in India…

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My mind conjures up the following scenario:

White host, with a pack of McVities in his hand, to Mr Patel (a Hindu and certainly not a Pakistani): “Are you peckish”?

Mr Patel: “No, I am British”!

Posted by: Londoner at October 1, 2007 4:15 PM

Hugh:
The coffee-and-biccies may come in handy when one is feeling peckish, and it's time for elevenses, and let's invite the Ahmeds over, but why don't we also invite, at the same time, soft-spoken Mr. Patel (of the Hindu, not the Muslim, Patels), who grew up in India…

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My mind conjures up the following scenario:

White host, with a pack of McVities in his hand, to Mr Patel (a Hindu and certainly not a Pakistani): “Are you peckish”?

Mr Patel: “No, I am British”!

Posted by: Londoner at October 1, 2007 4:16 PM

Hugh:
The coffee-and-biccies may come in handy when one is feeling peckish, and it's time for elevenses, and let's invite the Ahmeds over, but why don't we also invite, at the same time, soft-spoken Mr. Patel (of the Hindu, not the Muslim, Patels), who grew up in India…

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My mind conjures up the following scenario:

White host, with a pack of McVities in his hand, to Mr Patel (a Hindu and certainly not a Pakistani): “Are you peckish”?

Mr Patel: “No, I am British”!

Posted by: Londoner at October 1, 2007 4:16 PM

Less Eurocentric?...sheesh, why not just forget the Renaissance, Reformation and Age of Enlightenment ever happened!

Posted by: Celsius at October 1, 2007 4:34 PM

Tea and sympathy?

Bilgewater and b.s. is more like it.

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 1, 2007 4:38 PM

Josephine-

"...put an 'Islam is peace' poster on a bus."

You mean this one?---

http://1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff275/profitsbeard/religionofpieces.jpg

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 1, 2007 4:45 PM

If you spiked the coffee (in England?) with a major anti-depressant, the afternoon might be tolerable.

Posted by: tanstaafl at October 1, 2007 5:01 PM

profitsbeard -- Good one.

Posted by: Josephine at October 1, 2007 5:12 PM

The government would be pushing for a "less Eurocentric culture" and "more arabocentric culture" is what Roohi Ahmed really meant.

Tobay in Britain, no governmental department meeting takes place without the presence of at least one muslim.

islam is now a central part of British life. What muslims wants, muslims gets - and a lots besides that they don't even ask for.

Posted by: Hermit at October 1, 2007 5:13 PM

Apologies for a predictable comment, but why coffee and biscuits? What's wrong with a BLT and a can of Stella?
Posted by: grobari

Bangers and mash.. and for multiculti's sake a few pints of Guinness..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at October 1, 2007 5:49 PM

Hermit

"Today in Britain, no governmental department meeting takes place without the presence of at least one muslim".

That is serious, is this policy? Since when has it been so? What is your source?

Posted by: Fred at October 1, 2007 6:01 PM

(PLEASE POST THIS ANNOUNCEMENT AT OTHER WEBSITES)

The Jihad Awareness Project (to wake up the U.S. Senate and Congress) currently has 100 volunteers in 42 states.

WE ARE STILL SEEKING ADDITIONAL CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL 50 STATES, ESPECIALLY THE FOLLOWING 8:

Connecticut
Delaware
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Vermont
West Virginia

THE PROJECT: We're looking for people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase, from Amazon or any other source, a copy of Robert Spencer's new book Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn't and mail it, on an agreed upon date, to one of the senators in your state. We want to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the U.S. House of Representatives.

If you'd like to participate (or you just have questions), please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading "Senate," and tell me the state your senator represents, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.

And visit jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.

Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.

Right before each of us mails the book, we’ll issue a press release to media outlets in as many states as possible, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.

One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the Anti-Jihad Caucus in Congress. When we reach the goal of having all 100 senators covered, I'll call Rep. Myrick's office and see if she can help. I've called several congressional offices to get advice on how best to proceed.

Posted by: traeh at October 1, 2007 7:18 PM

Rhetorical question:

Why doesn't anyone ever criticise Africans for being too "Afrocentric," Asians for being too "Asiacentric?, etc.?

I'm living in an Asian country right now; obviously all the problems I have adjusting to life here are not my own fault but the fault of my host country for being too darn "Asia-centric." If only they'd make more of an effort to adapt themselves to my Euro-North American ways, then we'd all get along famously. Silly me, thinking any of this adaptation business was my responsibility.

Posted by: angloirishslav at October 1, 2007 10:33 PM

BTW, while the tea and biscuits (cookies) here aren't at all bad, if it wasn't against my religion I could kill for some half-decent coffee...

Posted by: angloirishslav at October 1, 2007 10:37 PM

Good article DP111-

Labour thinktank names immigrants who are a drain on the taxpayer
By STEVE DOUGHTY - More by this author »

Labour's favourite thinktank has named the migrant groups which are a drain on the taxpayer

Labour's favourite thinktank yesterday named the migrant groups which are a drain on the taxpayer.

Immigrants from Somalia, Turkey, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Iran are most likely to be out of work and claiming state benefits, it said.

There tend to be high numbers of asylum seekers among those groups who have failed to take advantage of the opportunities offered by Britain's open economy, a study found.

But immigrants from many countries do better than people born in the UK in terms of the proportion who work, their level of earnings and the school performance of their children.

The report was produced by the Institute for Public Policy Research, which has close links to Downing Street.

The institute has always in the past been supportive of Government immigration policy and its work has focused on the benefits rather than the downside of largescale migration.

The report's results, which are based on an analysis of government figures, were produced for a Dispatches programme called Immigrants: The Inconvenient Truth. It is being broadcast on Channel 4 at 8pm this evening.

They figures show that Somalis in Britain are the worst- off migrant group. Fewer than one in five has a job and four out of five live in subsidised council or housing association homes.

The report also confirms the widespread perception that Polish-immigrants work hard for less money than most British-born workers would accept.

Australians are the only nationality in Britain more likely to have a job than the Poles.

In the hours they work Poles are second only to the notoriously workaholic Americans. However, Poles earn on average the lowest hourly wage, £7.30.

The institute report said: 'There are some immigrant communities who rank consistently lower on most indicators than the UK average.

"In some cases, these relatively lowranking communities are predominantly made up of people who have come to the UK for non-economic reasons, for example to join family members who are already in the UK or to seek asylum.

"These communities may be made up of large numbers of people whose admission into the UK is not based on their potential economic contribution to the UK."

The report added: 'Some immigrant communities are clearly faring less well in the UK and are unable to contribute as much as others because of the poor socio-economic situations they find themselves in.

"Many in these groups are present in the UK because they are fleeing persecution and violence in their home countries and require our protection."

The institute's latest findings come in the wake of Whitehall's revision of the expected levels of future immigration to almost two million in the next decade and the declaration by a Home Office minister of 'the need for swift and sweeping changes to the immigration system'.

Gordon Brown has spoken of 'British jobs for British workers' and is bringing in a points-based immigration system, which will give priority to those with education, skills and high earnings.

The institute report said almost all migrant groups have children who spend longer in the education system than the children of British-born parents.

But some migrant groups have failed to turn educational success into economic success. Groups whose children have not done well in school include Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Turks and Somalis.

Indian, Chinese, Filipino, Sri Lankan and Iranian children all do better than average in school, the report said.

State statistics over the past 15 years have identified recent migrant groups who have done best in economic and education terms.

Generally speaking, Asians who came from East Africa in the 1970s and Chinese are counted the most successful, followed by Indians.

Some groups do better than others. For example, black Caribbean girls do well in school and earn more on average than white counterparts, while black Caribbean boys are more likely to fail.

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Isn't it time western countries started training their own citizens instead of importing supposedly trained workers?

Posted by: Borg at October 2, 2007 12:21 AM

Borg:

They have to have babies first, in order to have citizens.

Posted by: atheling at October 2, 2007 12:49 AM

I did a slightly clearer bus/bomb/muslim image here:

http://notoislam.blogspot.com

Spread it around and let them know that we see through their charade.

Posted by: No To Islam! at October 2, 2007 4:44 AM

John Denham Labour MP for Southampton Itchen recently suggested that British foreign policy should be more friendly to Islamic countries so that Muslims living in Britain won't feel alienated.
Strangely enough John Denham recently called for tough 'law and order' measures and punishments against young thugs who threw stones and bottles at buses following a recent spate of such attacks in the evenings on a housing estate in his constituency. (The bus company temporarily withdrew evening services serving the estate in justified retaliation.)
These youths are not Muslims although they are no doubt 'alienated' and would doubtless remain alienated and aggressive regardless of being offered 'tea and biscuits', or even Stella and weed, or Primark gift vouchers.
Strange isn't it that John Denham says youths who throw stones and other missiles at buses merit tough dealing with and have caused great inconvenience by withdrawal of evening services to residents on the estate in question, but made no such comments - as far as I am aware - when Muslim terrorists blew up public transport in London and actually killed and maimed dozens of innocent people, as well as causing some prolonged inconvenience.
Regulars here will probably recall that a few months ago Southampton had a 'major incident' in the international media (I saw it in the USA) - a man tried to pull a Muslim woman's veil off as she walked along a main thoroughfare. The young man, thought to be drunk, was unsuccessful and ran away. It created more furore in the media than if the unfortunate woman had been murdered.

Posted by: moris2 at October 3, 2007 9:44 AM