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At least it's a direct and honest appeal: Want peace? Pay the jizya. "Muslims in 'money not words' message," by Tom Smithard in the Yorkshire Post (thanks to Twostellas):
A Government Minister was told yesterday to stop talking and start funding as he addressed a group of young Yorkshire Muslims battling to prevent members of their community becoming extremists.Community Cohesion Minister Parmjit Dhanda was told that young Muslims were still annoyed about the war in Iraq and tensions in the Middle East.
And, in what he described as a "robust debate", he was told by members of the Leeds Muslim Youth Forum (LMYF) that they were fed up of having meetings with Ministers that appeared positive at the time but never resulted in the funding they were after.
Mr Dhanda visited the Hamara centre in Beeston, Leeds, yesterday to learn about grassroot schemes developed there to engage young people.
Representatives told him of the positive work to build links with other Leeds communities, including organising football tournaments and multi-faith visits to mosques, churches and synagogues.
They said they were about to organise a community cohesion awards night, featuring prizes for local role models, and had also recently run a cultural awareness week to help stop the feeling of alienation.
But, while tensions in Beeston had eased since the aftermath of the 2005 London bombings, carried out by members of the community, the representatives said there were still many problems that needed addressing.
Mohammed Kamran said: "We need to get young Muslims to understand the big picture. Young Muslims are p***** off with our foreign policy and the community gets all irate about politicians not engaging at a local level. We're trying to get people to engage at a local level themselves, because that's the only way it will change things."
P***** off with foreign policy? Politicians not engaging at the local level? Hmmm. I guess I'll have to become a suicide bomber myself!
Speaking afterwards, 20-year-old Fahad Khan said that it was vital for the LMYF to engage at the grassroots, through mosques and youth clubs, to reach young people before they became alienated and turned to extremism.He said: "There is no escaping the fact that there is a lot of tension in this community, the Muslim youth is disenfranchised. They are being pulled three ways, the religious culture at home, the secular culture at school, and in-between the tension of the streets.
"Parents don't understand, many do not speak English, yet there's no translators available at parent-teacher evenings at schools. Young people also have grievances with other faiths, they focus too much on the differences rather than looking at the similarities.
"We also have 'consultation fatigue', with Ministers coming to see us but never getting anything done. We had a meeting with a Treasury Minister earlier in the summer, it was a positive meeting, but when we applied for funding afterwards it was rejected.
"We don't want to sound money hungry but we need it to progress as an organisation, to allow us to get our voices heard within the community. The problem at the moment is Ministers listen to what we say, but never act upon it."
But, but, says the government official, we've already ponied up plenty:
Mr Dhanda, a Sikh, told the Yorkshire Post: "We have invested £6m of money nationally in our Preventing Violent Extremism programme, with £17m over three years behind that."We had a good, frank discussion today. It's really important that we listen to what active young people in the Leeds Muslim community have to say because the projects they've been involved in locally have made a real difference.
"It's not a case of what goes wrong that we need to spend all our time focusing on. We need to find examples of what can be done to improve things. Where we have projects of real energy and vitality we need to utilise that and support that."
Why not tell them this, Dhanda? "We're going to enforce British law. You are in Britain. You must obey it. Poverty and disenfranchisement are no excuse for mayhem. Renounce Islamic supremacism and any hope to impose Sharia, accept the parameters of British society and law, work with law enforcement officials to root out jihadists from your community, and things will go well with you."
Posted by Robert at October 23, 2007 9:04 AM
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It's the usual "or else" attitude we have seen from "British" muslims for a long time. The government should tell them that UNLESS they turn away from jihad then they will be locked up and the key thrown away, or their mosques shut. Sadly this government has encouraged terrorism by making the UK a jihad training camp and safe haven for these murderous nutters.
This country is dying, BUT the politicians are so busy placating these 7th century morons they are missing the steady growth of realisation among the British that we cannot co-exist with this religion in our country. They constantly tell us how bad WE are whilst islam bombs and murders. The people of this country will not stand for it for ever.
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at October 23, 2007 9:22 AM
"Parents don't understand, many do not speak English, yet there's no translators available at parent-teacher evenings at schools.
Then learn the fucking language.
Posted by: DaveMate at October 23, 2007 9:27 AM
Obviously these grassroots movements don't understand the meaning of that term. If the government pays for it, it's not grassroots.
Hold a bake sale, or a garage sale, sell your ak47's if you need funding.
Posted by: Aunt Bea at October 23, 2007 9:30 AM
I got no time for any muslims, as all my friends and people i know feel the same, isn't it about time the government faced the fact that WE DONT WANT THEM HERE. They don't really want to be here either, they hate us and our way of life.
I'm now going to complain to my local MP, it will be about the 20th email i sent him and i bet i still don't get a reply.
Posted by: Demvaril at October 23, 2007 10:02 AM
It's called jizya.
Posted by: US_infidel at October 23, 2007 10:19 AM
Gain peace and keep your money.
Exile jihadist scum!
at October 23, 2007 10:24 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
Your opinions are a tad disappointing based mostly on innuendo and some fact, i.e….. it has to be said that some Muslims were moaning about lack of money.
Look here, the facts are that despite Pak becoming a state for 60 years it has not had much stability. This is really important as instability is like a porus filter that allows misery to ebb and flow in and out of our lives like so many waves of the sea churning fine sand.
For 60 years my country has been riddled with instability, generals have tried to fight with India to try and get more land…but what they really craved for was stability.
Pakistan is indeed cursed because of its strategic location. Believe me when I tell you that we’re sick of being in the middle of the whole freaking world’s affairs. 60 years is not a long time …but we are hurled into one mess after another leading to …yes you guessed it…instability.
My peoples therefore have become accustomed to instability…if things are stable…then this is NOT normal…something must be wrong. This psyche…they have brought with them when they try to live in the lands of the kaffur.
There, they are subjected to a new dimension of living….the womens want to show meats, the mensfolk want to drink, childrens run out of control…adding to further instability. The parents want the childrens to learn urdu and follow living within the ulema and this is not easy given the surroundings.
Muslims find that there are not many role models…so they listen to Osama, but they also see Allah Paak’s chosen being killed in Iraq, Palestine, Sudan, Pakistan, ….this leads to further instability.
Ultimately, after much searching the muslim finds that Muhd, SAW, the Koran Sharif and Allah T’allah’s SWT laws of sharia…have not changed over 1400 years….and …there’s the stability all the time…staring at you in the face. …it’s like the light has just been switched on.
So what they need is more mosques, Islamic banks, Islamic “youth clubs”, elements of shariat….and the stability will be there….but for all these things they need….MONEY.
After all this searching they have found that Allah SWT is at the core of stability….and this needs money….and now the Kaffur is refusing to give it….and this leads to…..instability….
Oh my God….what they say in the Koran must be true…. the kaffur doesn’t want to pay up….he wants you to remain unstable……
It’s like another light bulb has been switched on.
at October 23, 2007 11:13 AM
"Mr. Dhanda, a Sikh, told the Yorkshire Post: We have invested #6m of money nationally in our Preventing Violent Extremism programme, with #17m over three years behind that."
Hey there Mr. Dhanda, pal, did you get your money's worth in return for your "investment??"
Maybe I'm just an old fossil, (Hell! I AM an OLD FOSSIL!) but the last time I checked, paying out PROTECTION MONEY to ULTRA-VIOLENT THUGS is called EXTORTION, you blasted dhimmi FOOL.
at October 23, 2007 11:24 AM
Young people also have grievances with other faiths, they focus too much on the differences - Because their imams tell them to.
Posted by: Borg at October 23, 2007 11:26 AM
If you need money, Naseem, why don't you get an education, get an honest job, and then go out and EARN some money. I do. This is why the West is stable but Dungheapistan is not.
Note that the Mussulmen, when their numbers are relatively low in a population, are whining moochers and beggars, but when their numbers grow they become ultra-violent THIEVES.
It is too bad for you that your "mensfolk want to drink" (and beat the S@#$ out of you,) but I certainly have no problem with the "womens wanting to show meats!"
at October 23, 2007 11:41 AM
Welp add exstrotion to the list too I guess...geez I have an idea, get f'n yob.
I'm willing to bet that even if these scumbags did get money they'd come back and ask for even more money or they will wage jihad...c'mon it's not rocket surgery people.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 23, 2007 12:36 PM
*extortion...speelenk es nod my strong suit 2day : )
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 23, 2007 12:38 PM
I don't recall any Buddhists seething and whining over the murder of their cousins in south Thailand by islamic nutters.
Or Jews going mental over the rise in anti-semitism in Europe caused by you know who.
Posted by: Celsius at October 23, 2007 12:49 PM
"...So what they need is more mosques, Islamic banks, Islamic “youth clubs”, elements of shariat….and the stability will be there….but for all these things they need….MONEY...."
....i was thinking more in the line of education, anger management courses, and psycho-therapy.....
at October 23, 2007 1:31 PM
Naseem -
Pakistan is indeed cursed, and your country is unstable, because of ISLAM! Why do muslims blame the West for what happens in their own countries?
And if the muslim immigrants find the lands of the kaffur so difficult, so unwelcoming, so unwilling to give more and more and more money, then go the hell back to Crapistan.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at October 23, 2007 1:32 PM
"Muslims find that there are not many role models..."
...according to Muslims the only role model they need is Mohammed...you know, the caravan raiding, murdering, rapist thug....
and the Muslims follow his example "religiously"..
Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 23, 2007 2:00 PM
'He said: "There is no escaping the fact that there is a lot of tension in this community, the Muslim youth is disenfranchised. They are being pulled three ways, the religious culture at home, the secular culture at school, and in-between the tension of the streets."
.....THE COMMON denominator of all their problems=Islam.....
at October 23, 2007 2:09 PM
"Parents don't understand, many do not speak English, yet there's no translators available at parent-teacher evenings at schools."
Then learn the fucking language.
Posted by: DaveMate
You beat me to it. Not complicated is it?
Posted by: Celsius at October 23, 2007 3:47 PM
"After all this searching they have found that Allah SWT is at the core of stability….and this needs money….and now the Kaffur is refusing to give it….and this leads to…..instability…."
...and just why should Kaffurs give money to people who are killing Kaffurs and taking away Kuffars property?....
...robbers, extortionists, muderers, rapists and thieves do not even deserve the time of day....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 23, 2007 4:03 PM
Naseem:
Look here, the facts are that despite Pak becoming a state for 60 years it has not had much stability.
And why do you think that is Naseem?
You noticed that not a single OIC country is stable, nor people happy or content. Yet at no point do you blame Islam. Why is that?
It is the constant factor:
Algeria - People murdered since Goverment cancelled election in 1992 which FIA set to win.
Saudi Arabia - Unemployment rate high among youth.
Tunisia - Relatively benign dictatorship.
Egypt - Dictatorship
Afghanistan - Taliban government earlier before being overthrown.
Syria - Dictatorship
Pakistan - Dictatorship for parts of 60 years.
Naseem:
This psyche…they have brought with them when they try to live in the lands of the kaffur.
And you are not welcome. We dont want to import your problems caused by Islam.
Note, just to be clear, so you wont think racism:
Arab Christian - welcome!!
Arab Shintoist - welcome!!
Arab Zorastian - welcome!!
in fact, Arab anything as long as not Arab Muslim.
Naseem:
Muslims find that there are not many role models…so they listen to Osama, but they also see Allah Paak’s chosen being killed in Iraq, Palestine, Sudan, Pakistan, ….this leads to further instability.
Yes but all this instability started when Muhammad was listened to. Because shortly after he died :
Egypt invaded
Libya invaded
Syria invaded
Jerusalem invaded
Cyprus invaded
- that is instability !!!!. Do you think these people wanted to be invaded?
Naseem, you dont bother asking yourself hard questions.
Naseem:
So what they need is more mosques, Islamic banks, Islamic “youth clubs”, elements of shariat….and the stability will be there….but for all these things they need….MONEY.
And why are OIC countries poor Naseem?
The only ones that have any money is to do with an accident of geography - Oil. I dont know of a single OIC country that actually makes anything.
Naseem:
Oh my God….what they say in the Koran must be true…. the kaffur doesn’t want to pay up….he wants you to remain unstable……
Pure paranoia. Why should we pay a damn thing?
Again it shows the thieving mentality of Islam - expecting others to pay. Islam is parasitical - it expects others to pay for its pleasures
at October 23, 2007 6:56 PM
I wish someone would've asked why they have "grievances" with other faiths? Is it because they don't hold to islam? They need to be aware of the fact that they are in the West; don't you think?
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at October 23, 2007 7:17 PM
"Community Cohesion Minister Parmjit Dhanda was told that young Muslims were still annoyed about the war in Iraq and tensions in the Middle East...they were fed up of having meetings with Ministers that appeared positive at the time but never resulted in the funding they were after."
Dang! If I weren't so busy working for a living, I could be there with them, demonstrating / rioting / demanding that government give me money so I can develop enough influence to intimidate people into giving me even more money for doing absolutely nothing... How could I have gone so wrong?
"There is no escaping the fact that there is a lot of tension in this community, the Muslim youth is disenfranchised."
Is there a fairly big uninhabited island somewhere we could send all these "disenfranchised" off to? Give 'em 60 days of MRE's and some farm implements and seed, tell 'em if they want to eat they need to start digging. Repeat as needed with new batches of seethers/whiners until (as Naseem notes) "the light comes on". = "Oh, I need to WORK for money? Ooooh! I GET it now! I work, I earn, I even SAVE a little. Aha! ...Yikes! look how high my taxes are! Why? Oh, I see! I'm supporting Samir down the street, him and his 3 wives and 14 children, with my taxes. Aha! I understand that, too! Hey -- why does he get part of the money I earn? The selfish SOB should get off his duff and get a job too!"
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at October 23, 2007 7:40 PM
One of the young men involved in the London bombings a while back became involved with a jihadist mosque only after his municipal soccer pitch was closed.
Here in NYC, if the city closes a well used basketball court, it can expect that some of the kids who hang out there will become Cryps or Bloods. It's the same dynamic.
And, the answer IS money!
As for translators, their presence at school meetings could be used as a springboard for guiding parents to learn the @#$%&% language.
BTW: be kind to Naseem's brittle syntax.
As Richrd Reeves points out in the following op-ed piece, Pakistan's problem is illiteracy, not islam.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucrr/20071022/cm_ucrr/opakistan
at October 24, 2007 7:58 AM
"It’s like another light bulb has been switched on.
Posted by: Naseem "
Yes, Shiva posted about this light bulb thing last year.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at October 24, 2007 9:54 AM
"Millions for Defence, not one cent for tribute"
Thomas Jefferson.
Posted by: Kristopher at October 24, 2007 12:50 PM
"How many indignant clerics does it take to change a light bulb?"
depends on how good the doctor is
Doctors in Pakistan removed a lightbulb from an inmate's anus in a tricky, hour and a half operation last Wednesday night. Reuters reports that Fateh Mohammed was "shocked" when he was told the cause of his abdominal discomfort and "swears he didn't know the bulb was there."
Posted by: shiva at December 25, 2006 12:49 AM
at October 25, 2007 11:31 AM
Why don't they ever finish the sentence? lol
"give us money...so we can send to our durkanese brothers who WILL wage jihad on you all, with our help by hoodwinking you stupid infidels again."
They're not fooling anyone...lol
Posted by: jcom972 at October 29, 2007 7:19 AM
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