Why fight the will of Allah by going to a doctor?

"His (Allah's) volition is His will, so say that He wished it.

So it is wished.

He wills increase and decrease.

So what He wishes is wished.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 24, 2007 3:24 PM

How cynic can man be?

Posted by: FreeSpeech at October 24, 2007 3:32 PM

I can't believe Laura Bush.

If women don't have rights, why would she think that breast cancer is important?

The countries have to see that women have a value in that society, and then give them rights. Not until the women have value will those societies care about breast cancer.

Laura Bush is placing more value on the womans breast then she is the woman. The assumption that the society cares about the woman is an incorrect assumption.

The only cancer Laura Bush should be talking about is Islam.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at October 24, 2007 3:37 PM

They shoot horses, don't they?

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at October 24, 2007 3:38 PM

In 1970 a young UK doctor in training elected to get further experience in obstetrics and gynaecology in an Algerian provincial hospital.

Ian Young's experiences are written up in 'The Private Life of Islam: An Algerian Diary' which will be available in some libraries.

Not for the squeamish nor Islamophiles.

Posted by: MBR at October 24, 2007 3:43 PM

I gather that speaking the work "breast" is taboo in some Arab countries. Mrs. Bush would not be allowed to speak of women's rights in the UAE but at least she was able to speak on a medical concern.

Mr. Ahmadnutjob would probably say that neither breast cancer nor gays nor AIDS exist in Iran! It took a long time for P.R. China to admit that gays and AIDS existed in their society.

Posted by: CTYankee at October 24, 2007 4:05 PM

Even the words "breast cancer" often have never been spoken or where treated as taboo in Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at October 24, 2007 4:39 PM

All this backasswards thinking has me at a loss for words.

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 24, 2007 4:50 PM

I guess since breast cancer isn't discussed or even acknowledged in Muslim countires this is another reason for Muslim men to marry multiple wives. If one gets breast cancer, you can always toss her aside and get a newer, younger model. This leads to a more peaceful household since the screaming that is involved when a woman gets no treatment for cancer can be truly disruptive and annoying.

I'm so glad that militant Muslims are defending the rights of women in Islam. It is no coincidence that Muslims like to dress their women in Hefty bags.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 24, 2007 5:16 PM

So that black shroud Islamic woman are forced to wear is also used to cover the ravages of breast cancer.

Posted by: tanstaafl at October 24, 2007 5:24 PM

Let me get this straight. The mammogram technicians are men. Women can't get mammograms for that reason. Then exactly who can get mammograms? Are there a lot of men getting mammograms in these countries?

Posted by: one of the chosen people at October 24, 2007 5:42 PM

I suppose it is worth something to talk about breast cancer in Saudi Arabia. Ultimately the Muslims have to be led to the point where they can criticize and question, and there are many roads to that. If women's health issues force changes in medical practice, it is a small thing but better than nothing.

Posted by: Quijybo at October 24, 2007 6:05 PM

I read this article after just reading about a couple in Britain, 60 year olds who have been foster parents for dozens of kids and pregnant unwed moms for over 20 years. The 11 year old boy who had been fostered by them for two years was just taken away by the Somerset Council and put in something called a council hostel since the couple was (horrors) "Christian" and would not comply with laws stating they must indoctrinate, oops, er "educate" the 11 year old about sexual matters including the normalcy of gay orientation and lifestyles and must be willing to take him to teen gay functions/support meetings if he requested. They explained that they could not swear to do such a thing as it conflicted with their religious beliefs so the boy was whisked away even though he was happy with them, had not expressed any such orientation and no other foster family had yet been found to take him.

Now you might think I am off topic but the way I see this is two sides of the SAME SICKO COIN. Both societies are dysfunctional in their approach to human sexual behavior. One is afraid that even a medical exam will become a sinful sexual orgy; the other insists that 11 year olds be taught about anal sex and dipped continually in the ooze of hetero- and homo-sexual excesses. One has no place for patients and a professional relationship with a doctor. The other has no place for childhood. No time for kids to be simply kids without inserting their own sick sexual/political agendas into the nursery, playground, school and now family home.

Posted by: bevc at October 24, 2007 6:18 PM

"You, you, you - islamaphobes"

gee, ya caught me. What can I say?!

Posted by: R_not at October 24, 2007 6:21 PM

There are breaks in the space-time continuum right here on Earth; the border of each Mohammedan country marks the boundary where the year is 632 forever. Sure one can see cars, modern weapons, an occasional sarellite dish, and the internet, but it is an illusion.

Posted by: Pelayo at October 24, 2007 7:29 PM

And the Islamic world has "contributed" so much to Western civilisation?

Balderdash!

While the feel-goodies demand that all civilisations are equal, Islamic incivility impedes the advancement of 5 billion infidels.

Posted by: Aiken Bryce at October 24, 2007 7:42 PM

I am all for letting allah take care of them solution. The islamic countries don't need doctors, medicine, or any kind of medical help. You see every muslim believes that allah is responsible for evey death and every disease. so if the person gets well allah has decided it. If he dies allah, it's allah's decision and no man can stop it. so why try? Whats the point of infidals giving any aid of any kind?

Posted by: desidude at October 24, 2007 7:59 PM

I wonder if the Islamic obsession with sexuality may have something to do with their violence. The men cover and marginalize women. If the men are rich, they can have as many women as they want. If the men are middle class or poor, the majority of Muslims as people anywhere, they are very restricted in their opportunities. Men without sexual opportunities may become more violent. A number of sociobiological studies in chimpanzees show that beta males, who have little above-board access to females unlike alpha males who monopolize females and essentially have harems, are more likely to commit rape and acts of violence because they basically have nothing to lose (see Wrangham and Peterson's "The Demonic Male," which was arguments and source references).

If you carry this to humans, the average Muslim in a sexually repressed society will have no wife or a single wife, often the result of an arranged marriage, while the wealthier and more powerful Muslim will have access to many females. The anxiety of finding a wife, or the frustration of being in an arranged marriage, may draw out intrinsic violent tendencies. It is common that unmarried men or men married to a single wife commit acts of atrocity in Muslim societies, yet it is rare that the more powerful with multiple wives do directly.

So what of the wealthier Muslims? Why is it, for instance, that so many Saudi "royals" or wealthy Muslims like certain bin Ladens espouse violence without and motivate others to do violence, and this is a key point, actually committing the violence themselves. Because the status quo is in their favor. They already have multiple wives, and so above-average reproductive potential, so it is in their rational interest to perpetuate the system that lets a few wealthy/powerful people have more than a statistically reasonable number of mates.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at October 24, 2007 11:52 PM

And the Western feminists ... don't hold your breath, you will hear just crickets.

Posted by: MarianCZ at October 25, 2007 5:12 AM

"Breast cancer is still considered a taboo in oil-rich Arab Gulf countries like Saudi Arabia..."

...so too are: WHiskey, Wine, Pigs, and Homosexuality, sex therapy, and unmarried sex and cartoon drawing and education for women and art and sculptures. Do not forget Apostasy. Idolatry. Representing the Prophet or any other human or animal form. Muslim Woman marrying a non-Muslim,and dogs and cats and of course, having Non Muslims as friends and neighbors...

"
Sex is a taboo in conservative Islamic countries. Young, unmarried couples are forced to seek out secret erotic oases. Books and plays that are devoted to the all too human topic of sex incur the wrath of conservative religious officials and are promptly banned."

....recently we have seen examples of what happens to young couples who get caught in a romantic embrace...we have seen an example of what happens to a young couple loving each other who were betrayed to the religious police.

I guess STDs are also Taboo....Love is an Islamic taboo....parents kill their children for the honor of the family, parents send their children off to be suicide bombers, parents even sell their children to pay debts...

...soon we will find out earthquakes, volcanos, and tsunamis are Islamic taboos.....ooops wait a minute...those are all Bushs Fault....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 25, 2007 6:23 AM

Apparently(Islamic) mental illness is catching.
I am stuck with watching the drive-by media now and Robin Roberts was just lauding as wonderful a female Saudi OB/GYN who has just recently diagnosed her own breast cancer. The problem is, is that it is late stage. Can you say death sentence.
If the doctors are so blind how can anyone else be expected to see?
Then of course, there is the Phsyciatrist in Atlanta employed by the public health services who somehow thought that he was supposed to give breast exams in braille to his mental health patients. Care to guess what part of the world he is from?
No wonder they are afraid to see a male doctor.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at October 25, 2007 8:34 AM

As Wimbledon Womble points above, the existence of polygamy in islam leaves a lot of unsatisfied men. Consider: if only 5% of the men have more than one wife, and they average 3 wives each, that leaves 15% of the men without a wife, and thus frustrated, likely unstable, and potentially violent. With over one billion moslems in the world, that's a lot of angry young men.
I've often wondered how many moslem men have more than one wife. Are there any solid figures on the subject? Are there any reliable censuses of moslem countries that might contain the information? From the little I've read, it's fairly rare. But even if it's only 2 or 3%, that leaves a lot of single young men.
Also, does the incidence of polygamy vary from one moslem country to another? Is it more common in, say, Algeria, than in Yemen? Or more common in Pakistan than in Morocco? Are there any reliable figures?

Posted by: ebonystone at October 25, 2007 9:02 AM

Not to worry - Darwin in action.

Posted by: johnb at October 25, 2007 10:13 AM

Wimbledon Womble said:

"It is common that unmarried men or men married to a single wife commit acts of atrocity in Muslim societies, yet it is rare that the more powerful with multiple wives do directly."

I respectfully disagree. There are plenty of Muslim men with multiple wives who beat them because Mohammad said it was A-OK to do so. Here's a video of a real winner. My only wonder is why did the TV reporter wife agree to become wife #3?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZxG2RdZPL8

This summer I read the book "Burned Alive" by Souad about a woman who was burned by her brother-in-law in an honor killing but she didn't die. Her father was a misogynistic bastard who used to play a little game with his girls, who he told every day of their lives that they were worthless, by giving them a time to be home and if they were late by seconds he would beat them mercilessly. Souad said that she was beaten every single day of her life. She was burned alive because she had attempted to arrange her own marriage with a Muslim man who had asked her father if they could marry but because her next older sister wasn't married and had no prospects, the father told Souad she would have to wait. She was 20 years old when she made her daring attempt at escaping via marriage. The man whom she loved talked the talk but convinced her to have sex a few times, and she was afraid she would lose him if she didn't. On the day she told him she was pregnant the rat bastard lied to her and told her he would work it out with her father but instead, abandoned her to her fate. He knew if he did nothing she would be killed, so the coward just stopped looking her way when he left for work each morning and she knew she would soon be found out and probably killed.

Anyway, Souad's mother was abused severely too and she learned that if daddy-o was taking it out on the girls then mama would get some respite. Souad talks of a memory of her dad holding a burlap bag over the mother's head and tight against the back of her neck so that she could see the bag go in and out as her mother grasped for breath. The mother received severe beatings. When the father took another wife, after a few years he divorced the second wife because she had given birth to two girls and that was unacceptable. So away went the dad with the other wife's daughters and brought them back to the first wife to raise. (No consideration for the feelings of the second wife or the feelings of her girls, or the feelings of the first wife for that matter.)

Ebonystone said:

"...the existence of polygamy in islam leaves a lot of unsatisfied men."

I would agree with you but not for the reasons you state above. How can a man be satisfied when secretly, in the depths of his heart where the natural law is written, he knows that he is mistreating another human being? He inherently knows, no matter what the Qu'ran says, that he would not like to be treated that way and I suspect his guilt keeps him stuck in a vicious cycle. He wants to free himself from the guilt of hurting other people or brutally oppressing them but he also wants to have his cake and eat it too, since the Qu'ran allows him so many ways to get laid, as long as he's married.

Poor Muslims, don't they know that sex is so much richer, so much more meaningful and makes an orgasm an almost supernatural feeling when the one you are having sex with loves you and wants you too? Will restoring the Islamic Caliphate mean that no one will ever have anything but meaningless, forced and sub-standard sex, ever again? Maybe we should forget about Iraq and Iran and just nuke ourselves and put ourselves out of our own misery.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at October 25, 2007 12:36 PM

Breast cancer often untreated in Mideast

So? What's the point?

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at October 26, 2007 1:44 PM