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Here's a glimpse into the New Europe, courtesy the ReligionNewsBlog (thanks to all who sent this in):
A Belgian anesthetist has filed a complaint against a Muslim who blocked him from entering the operating theatre where his wife was to undergo emergency surgery.The woman was operated with the male doctor shouting instructions from a hallway to a female nurse.
Doctor Philippe Becx from Bree, Belgium, was called to the hospital in the middle of the night because a woman had to undergo an emergeny caesarean section.
However, her husband blocked the door and demanded a female anesthetist. The latter was unavailable.
After a two-hour discussion proved fruitless, an imam was summoned. The imam permitted the doctor to apply an epidural injection, but only if the woman was fully covered with only a small area of skin showing.
During the surgery itself, performed by a female gynecologist, the anesthetist was to remain in the hallway. Through a door that was slightly ajar, he shouted instructions to a nurse who was monitoring the anesthesia.
According the hospital’s directors, the doctor acted with ‘admirable understanding.’ He would have been in his right to have the man removed by police.
Posted by Robert at November 13, 2007 7:57 AM
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"After a two-hour discussion proved fruitless, an imam was summoned. The imam permitted the doctor to apply an epidural injection, but only if the woman was fully covered with only a small area of skin showing."
Why is Islam sooooo preoccupied with sex?
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at November 13, 2007 8:29 AM
Simply insane!! He put his wife's life in jeopardy!! The husband should have been forcibly ejected from the room!! Idiots at the hospital!! This PC crap is going too far!!
But maybe - just maybe - this was a 'set up' like the six flying imams. The husband could have asked prior to arriving at the hospital that he wanted an all female staff for his wife. The legalilty of that is another matter; but maybe this was done on purpose at the time!
Posted by: TeachESL at November 13, 2007 8:31 AM
T real insanity of all this is the amount of time wasted while the doctor shouted instructions to the nurse and the 2 hours wasted while arguing with this jerk of a husband. Doctor's time is very valuable and costs the hospital quite a sum to keep them there. what if you needed emergancy care while you have muslim women being treated next door? multiply this if several muslim people are being treated?
you cab see the incredible waste of time and money in treatment of these muslims. And of course this money will be coming out of the pockets of you eventually.
at November 13, 2007 8:51 AM
Assalamau Laikaum TeachESL,
This is no put up ...only a man following his beliefs...as a muslima myself...let me put it in context for you....
This was a test from Allah SWT to test his faith.
I mean it was bad enough that the missus needs a caesarean...but then shock horror...for his wife to be treated by a male kaffur....to be looking at and possibly droolling over his pregenant wife's abdomen and possibly her private parts....I mean he will have failed in his faith...and his muslima understands completely what he is going through....she will risk her life to ensure he does not shirk from his faith...
all I can say is that thank Allah SWT that there is a good supply of Imams in that part of the world to resolve important life and death situations, without loss of faith.
Posted by: Naseem at November 13, 2007 8:53 AM
"to be looking at and possibly droolling over his pregenant wife's abdomen and possibly her private parts"
Dont confuse us with Muslims. We non Muslims arent preoccupied with sex like Muslims are.
Posted by: Elric66 at November 13, 2007 8:55 AM
"According the hospital’s directors, the doctor acted with ‘admirable understanding.’ He would have been in his right to have the man removed by police."
-- from the article above
Such things now happen all the time in Muslim-occupied Western Europe. Muslim men routinely not only accompany their wives to a doctor's office, but into that office, and insist on having all questions addressed to them, and all of their wives' answers mediated through them -- even in cases where an interpreter is present.
And of course this slows things up, makes the taking of a history much more difficult -- sometimes impossible, if the man decides the doctor should not hear this, or that, or if the presnce of the husband inhibits, as it well might in some cases, the wife.
I have heard about this not indirectly, but directly from doctors in Italy. Some are at their wits' end.
One suspects that this case was brought by the anesthesiologist only because he, and many of his colleagues, had finally had it with this Muslim nonsense being pushed on them. As everyone knows, Muslims in Dar al-Islam -- all those who can afford it -- visit Western doctors, stay in Western hospitals. Muslims in Dar al-Harb are lucky to be able to take advantage of Western medicine, and they do so, to the fullest extent --beginning with all those Arabs who receive advanced medical care, completely free, from Israel's doctors. They had better learn to conform to the minimum demands that Western medicine requires, and that should not be modified out of fear, undue solicitousness, or a diseased sympathy for the primitive mores of others.
Posted by: Hugh at November 13, 2007 8:58 AM
If this wife dies he'll just go out and buy another one. She is his property and he has every right to deny her proper medical care. She is lucky that her husband allowed the anesthetist to even shout through the door. Don't you kuffar know anything about anything?
Posted by: SaracensAtTheGates at November 13, 2007 9:02 AM
15 Saudi girls die in a fire for lack of a niqab and the fact that the firemen were not blood relations to them....stupid by even Saudi standards. When will we see a smack down of this kind of stupidity here? I prefer the weapon of ridicule, since, as we all know, the ummah is litigious, and lawyers have no sense of humor.
Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at November 13, 2007 9:09 AM
He would have been in his right to have the man removed by police.
... but dhimmis don't care about things like that.
Posted by: joeblough at November 13, 2007 9:12 AM
I thought that when there is an emergency, you temporary set your faith beliefs aside in order for lives to be saved. It is said that for example, when a emergency occurs, in the Orthodox branch of the Jewish faith, members are allowed to make the emergency 911 call on the Sabbath. There is no loss of faith whatsoever. Because in the eyes of God, saving a life is an act of great love towards others.
In this medical emergency case, using the God-given gift of common sense to have the emergency medicat treatment done, not only saves the person's life, but also keeps faith.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 13, 2007 9:26 AM
As long as they can demand AND get this kind of "respect" things can only get worse. Progress can only come when they are told to **** off.
Naseem
We have a word for men who drool over the private parts of women in labour, it's Pervert! The same word is used for men who have sexual relations with goats so it's not a word we would expect you to understand.
Posted by: Fred at November 13, 2007 9:29 AM
This pig let his wife suffer needlessly for two hours. I hope she was as understanding as Naseem thinks she was, while her husband's faith was being tested!
"I mean it was bad enough that the missus needs a caesarean...but then shock horror...for his wife to be treated by a male kaffur....to be looking at and possibly droolling over his pregenant wife's abdomen and possibly her private parts....I mean he will have failed in his faith...and his muslima understands completely what he is going through....she will risk her life to ensure he does not shirk from his faith..."
The last thing a doctor is going to be doing in an emergency situation is drooling over the patient. Can muslims never get their minds out of the gutter?
at November 13, 2007 9:30 AM
Naseem
"all I can say is that thank Allah SWT that there is a good supply of Imams in that part of the world to resolve important life and death situations, without loss of faith."
We non-muslims have a device we carry on us that serves the purpose far more instantly and effectively: Our brain.
If your faith has priority over a human life, then I can indicate the place it should be stuffed.
at November 13, 2007 9:32 AM
"all I can say is that thank Allah SWT that there is a good supply of Imams in that part of the world to resolve important life and death situations, without loss of faith."
A good supply of imams is all we need? What about more female doctors, Naseem? It is doctors that resolve life and death situations after all.
Posted by: dlp at November 13, 2007 9:35 AM
Hugh,
What you posted can be confirmed by me. A few years back in a hospital medical clinic waiting room, while waiting for a doctor's appointment, I had a Muslim married man with his wife do the very things you say in your excellent comments, plus take the wife around by the hand. Left a very bitter taste in my mouth about how Islam treats its women. Thanks for your observations.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 13, 2007 9:38 AM
desidude
Would that it were true that they rely on allah, but the British Health service provides medical care for anyone who walks in off the street. According to a BBC report - they tell the truth occasionally - 90% of the women in one East London maternity hospital do not speak English and 50% are "overseas visitors". Mainly from the middle east, Pakistan and India. Taking advantage of British stupidity - sorry british generosity.
Posted by: Fred at November 13, 2007 9:43 AM
Once again we bend our standards of excellence to accomodate the barbarians.
The doc should have walked.
Posted by: JohnAdams at November 13, 2007 9:46 AM
Amazing story. Obeying the draconian rules of Islam regarding gender roles is more important to the Muslim husband than alleviating his wife's pain and completing the emergeny caesarean section. The child was also placed at risk because of the husband's failure to see the "common good" and promote life preserving medical procedures, regardless of the gender of the anesthetist.
This is not a good love story.
Posted by: Johnathan at November 13, 2007 10:02 AM
joeblough quoted
He would have been in his right to have the man removed by police
It should be "She would have been...". The obstetrician who was allowed to stay (by the Imam and the husband) was a woman. She could have had the man removed by police. The hospital is praising her for going along with this nonsense for 2 hours, and then having the anaestheologist stand out in the hallway.
Posted by: special_guest at November 13, 2007 10:08 AM
Again, the Muslims set up situations where they can be victims, with accompanying lawsuits. If the wife or child had died, the husband could have sued for malpractice on the part of the hospital and staff. If the staff had gone against his 'religious' beliefs...nod to Naseem...proceeded as medically necessary and viewed his wife's "uncovered meat," he could sue on the basis of violating his religious rights. My father was an anesthesiologist for 40 years. He would have discussed the case for about three minutes with the husband, realized the danger and insanity of the situation and called the police. There is no way he would have stood outside a door to treat a patient. A general question about gender (in)equality and Muslims: Yesterday, JW reported a new banking law in Britain will go into effect to accommodate sharia law. Will Muslim male customers demand to deal with male bankers only? Will those male bankers that set up these loans have to be fellow Muslims? After all, Muslims are always whining that non-Muslims cannot possibly interpret their religion. Does that apply to banking as well as medicine?
Posted by: maryrose at November 13, 2007 10:13 AM
The idea that Muslims will go and make their own Muslim-only hospitals sounds better and better. If this husband were truly devout, he wouldn't allow a kaffir, even a woman kaffir, drool over his wife's naked midsection (hasn't "Naseem" ever heard of lesbians?). Why would a True Believer need a doctor anyways? Everything is in the hands of Allah. If Allah wants you to live, you will live; if Allah wants you to die, you will die. Semi-believers like this husband seem to be saying that man can somehow overturn the will of Allah, and determine who will live and die. I hope that next time, when the husband gets some lesions growing on his body that he will stay at home and pray for healing from Allah, and not be corrupted by going to the kaffirs for help.
Posted by: special_guest at November 13, 2007 10:17 AM
What if the situation was reversed and the patient was a non Muslim and the anesthetist was a Muslim and refused to offer an epidural?
Posted by: Elric66 at November 13, 2007 10:31 AM
Naseem says Allah (swt) devised this situation as a test. You mean to tell us Naseem that, that is the best Allah can do? One would think that since Allah (swt) tests you daily in a multitude of ways, that he would be practiced up enough to test in better circumstances than that. Who was Allah (swt) testing? The husband was acting according to his faith in Allah (swt), so he needed no test, the wife had no say in it, so she needed no test, the Doctor and nurse were infidels, so a test of faith would be wasted on them. So just who was Allah (swt) testing, and why is he hanging around hospital 'testing' people who don't need it? Is this just some kind of hobby game that Allah (swt) plays with, when he is taking a break from disciplining muslims, and managing Paradise and hell both? I would think Allah (swt) has enough to do getting Pakistan's house in order, but I guess if he wants to take a break and give tests in hospitals, I suppose it's OK, after all, it is Allah (swt)...
Posted by: duh_swami at November 13, 2007 10:43 AM
That man, who blocked the anesthetist, should have been arrested for spousal abuse and jailed period! Disgusting!
Posted by: Monkeywho at November 13, 2007 10:45 AM
What would happen if/when a patient demands treatment by a non-islamic physician? A hospital needs to have a single standard of care for every patient, but the physician, like the captain of a ship, bears the ultimate responsibility, and his/her word is law for the duration of the procedure. A friend of mine who started her medical career in the ER of the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, used to refer to patients who made a difficult job even harder as a GOMER - Get Out of My Emergency Room !
Posted by: MP at November 13, 2007 10:48 AM
OK why were the police not summoned? Why was the Mohammedan not arrested?
Dr. Becx is obviously lacking a backbone.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 10:51 AM
The answer is pretty simple. If the muslima shows up alone, she is treated. If she is escorted in by her owner, she is shown the door.
Posted by: Infidel33 at November 13, 2007 10:56 AM
The doctor should be brought up on charges for endangering his patient. An anesthetist in the States who "shouted instructions through the door" without supervising the procedure would lose his license without question.
Posted by: ibn Abu at November 13, 2007 11:00 AM
According the hospital’s directors, the doctor acted with ‘admirable understanding.’
Admirable understanding????
How about 'unadmirable cowardness'.....
I cannot believe that doctor allowed and engaged in such a dangerous and absurd procedure.
He would have been in his right to have the man removed by police.
Why didn't he????
I can only guess that medical malpractice litigation is much different in Belgium than the U.S.
No doctor in his or her right mind would even attempt such craziness, if for nothing else than that of the liability it opens them up to.
Posted by: adobe at November 13, 2007 11:02 AM
First off, if Naseem thinks this is a test from his god, his god is rather pathetic. Secondly, that Moslems would imagine doctors in the OR drool over their patients is probably because they would. Moslem men are obviously a rather bizarre group of people, sexually speaking, angry, repressed, jealous, unfulfilled. Generally, a pathetic lot (to be charitable).
As for the doctor (and other medical workers), they absolutely should not compromise good medical practice. If the patient (not the husband) doesn't want certain types of work done, or certain people working on them, and if these requirements don't violate normal medical practice, then OK. Otherwise, get rid of her.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at November 13, 2007 11:05 AM
Great civilizations are not overthrown they are brought down by less civilized ones. In this case they are being given away piece by piece. This is but one example. Read Mark Steyn's book.
at November 13, 2007 11:22 AM
All male doctors should sue if this ever happens to them. They are being discriminated against.
Posted by: nyone at November 13, 2007 11:23 AM
There is a script for this situation, and it should be pasted to the back of every doctor's badge. General Charles Napier, one-time conqueror and commander-in-chief of India, was faced with a Hindu grandee who insisted on keeping the Indian tradition of burning alive the wives with their predeceased husbands. Napier said,
“You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”
There is no "admirable understanding" when responsible people allow barbaric practices to jeopardize health and safety.
Posted by: Chris at November 13, 2007 11:36 AM
I will definitely not go to a "Sharia" hospital. Your care will not be determined by what is medically appropriate, but rather what the local imam says. (Can anybody spell "witch doctor"?)
And with all of the "medical jihad" going on these days, I'm really leery of going to a Muslim doctor.
I didn't always have these fears. What gives them to me now is that more and more Muslims are doing jihad against the infidels, in every way they can. And my opinion of these scumbags gets lower every day, because THEY are responsible for my having extreme mistrust of pretty much any muslim.
I remember back in the 1980s. I attended a major university, and there were lots and lots of Muslim students. I got along really well with pretty much all of them. I guess those days are gone, thanks to the scumbag jihadists, who are radicalizing as many muslims as they can, as fast as they can.
Remember how Dr. Osama Ahmed Ibrahim did Jihad on Mr. Joseph Applebaum at Rush North Shore Medical Center in Chicago on Dec. 1, 2003?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/05/when_your_docto.html
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at November 13, 2007 11:40 AM
Muslims do not hold the patent on foolish beliefs.
A Jehova's Witness died because of her refusal to accept a blood transfusion.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19875/jehovah-s-witnesses-36
The family of a woman snake handler is suing a hospital over her death from a snake bite!
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/11/family-of-snake.html
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 11:52 AM
Chris at November 13, 2007 11:36 AM
That example is also in Steyn's book.
at November 13, 2007 11:54 AM
If the patent refuses treatment on religious grounds, fine ... show her the door.
If the husband interferes with treatment for religious reasons, and the patent wants treatment anyway, you jail the husband.
Which is exactly what would have happened in the US.
Europe really is circling the bowl ...
Posted by: Kristopher at November 13, 2007 11:59 AM
If the patient refuses treatment on religious grounds, fine ... show her the door.
If the husband interferes with treatment for religious reasons, and the patient wants treatment anyway, you jail the husband.
Which is exactly what would have happened in the US.
Europe really is circling the bowl ...
Posted by: Kristopher at November 13, 2007 12:00 PM
Kristopher, Doctors and hospitals are in a no win situation when it comes to religion, as the Jehovah's Witness incident shows.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 12:11 PM
Pelayo
"Muslims do not hold the patent on foolish beliefs.
A Jehova's Witness died because of her refusal to accept a blood transfusion"
Very true but everyone considers them very foolish and there is a considerable difference between refusing treatment and preventing treatment.
It is worth mentioning that the intervention in medical processes by people such as Jehovahs Witnesses is a periodic story line in medical soap operas. As I recall it is always portrayed in a negative way with the hero fighting to overcome the prejudiced family.
at November 13, 2007 12:17 PM
The post above describing the hospital scenario from the muslim point-of-view demonstrates quite clearly how sick, twisted, perverted and polluted the muslim pov is.
As if the male physician would automatically "drool" over a muslim woman, including a muslim woman in childbirth! My God, the megalomania ("personality disorder marked by delusions of grandeur") of that statement is so huge as to be almost unbelieveable! Get over yourselves! No ones "drooling" over any of you, rest assured! And you are not the "best of peoples" as mohammed told you. No way. So, get over your megalomaniacal selves! Let me repeat: No One, no one, is "drooling" over you! Capische?
I think the muslim psychology must be megalomania mixed with a heaping serving of inferiority complex.
Posted by: darcy at November 13, 2007 12:25 PM
Pelayo: "Muslims do not hold the patent on foolish beliefs"
Yes, there are others who hold foolish beliefs, but with pretty much everyone other than Muslims, it is a rare occurance, and they don't intimidate society into accepting their foolish beliefs.
With Muslims, however, there are a huge number of people who hold the foolish beliefs, and they do intimidate society into accepting their foolish beliefs.
Society doesn't have a climate of unspoken fear about Jehovah's Witnesses, because about the biggest imposition on society that a JW will do is take up your time at your front door. Society does, however, have a major climate of unspoken fear and intimidation in regard to Muslims, because there are huge numbers of Muslims who are continually probing and testing the system, commiting horrible acts, and suing or otherwise harming or killing anyone who gets in their way.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at November 13, 2007 12:32 PM
This is a hospital. No member of the public has ANY RIGHT to prevent admission to a room as it is NOT THEIR BUILDING.
He should have been arrested for assault (that is what it amounted to) on the doctor for refusing him admission.
Posted by: Celsius at November 13, 2007 12:40 PM
"General Charles Napier, one-time conqueror and commander-in-chief of India, was faced with a Hindu grandee who insisted on keeping the Indian tradition of burning alive the wives with their predeceased husbands. Napier said,
'You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.'"
-- from a posting above
And in his spare time, he even came up with logarithms. I'm impressed.
at November 13, 2007 12:42 PM
Hugh is Bill Bryson. I'm sure of it.
Posted by: Big Luke at November 13, 2007 12:54 PM
". . . and they don't intimidate society into accepting their foolish beliefs."
by PersonOfTheBook
I assume that you have never been to a school board meeting where the subject was the teaching of intelligent design. There are many ways to intimidate people, lawsuits are one, calling them sinners is another.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 1:02 PM
...after the Muslim man showed his ignorance, placed his wife's life in jeopardy, insulted the doctors, caused a scene, he was elated to find out the taxpayers would foot the bill...
...It is neccessary to Ban Muslim Immigration...you do not want people like this in your neighborhood....
at November 13, 2007 1:05 PM
This is so stupid!
The whole religion is stupid!
"The woman was operated with the male doctor shouting instructions from a hallway to a female nurse."
Just ridiculous.
This is the same thinking that kept the Saudi school girls inside a burning building rather than let them escape the fire without proper islamic garb.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm
STUPID!
at November 13, 2007 1:06 PM
And if this patient would have died....am I to assume he would sue the doctor, hospital, and nurse for improper medical care?
Or would he sue the hospital and goverment for not having muslim approved medical staff?
AND NASEEM....
You could actually go on a comedy tour with what you say. I mean it, you could make money. Audiences would come..they would not be laughing with you, but at you. But hey, the money you could make.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at November 13, 2007 1:07 PM
WTH! Did that crazy man think the doctors would jump on his wife on the operation table?
aaaarrrrgggghhh
at November 13, 2007 1:08 PM
...the next time it happens, the doc should smile, point to the operating room, then tell the Muslim : "sorry old boy, you are on your own", and then calmly walk away, closing the door behind him....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 13, 2007 1:15 PM
I work in Urology Surgery...you would be amazed at how many bearded muslims accept surgical services at Catholic Hospitals...with Jewish Doctors no less!
Family members are not allowed through the double doors, and if this asshole muslim scumbag wanted to impose his private religion on others, they should have kicked him and his wife out immediately...let them suffer the consequences of not cooperating with Western medical practices...I guess the lives of children are truly important here, as opposed to islum.
I hope they deport this guys and his entire family.
Posted by: AmericanTiger at November 13, 2007 1:16 PM
This is an example from Belgium. I have never heard of anything similar happening in the US. Before we get too high and mighty, let's see what happens when it does occur here.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 1:21 PM
Pelayo,
Its scary that you assume it will happen here. I agree sooner or later it will. Its just the nature of Islam.
Posted by: Elric66 at November 13, 2007 1:23 PM
but then shock horror...for his wife to be treated by a male kaffur....to be looking at and possibly droolling over his pregenant wife's abdomen
Posted by: Naseem at November 13, 2007 8:53 AM
***
'Cause there's nothing sexier than a bare, naked abdomen spurting blood and amniotic fluid from the incision while the surgeon pulls out a placenta.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2007 1:24 PM
"And in his spare time, he even came up with logarithms. I'm impressed."
I'm pretty sure that was one John Napier.
Posted by: non-croyant at November 13, 2007 1:29 PM
"Cause there's nothing sexier than a bare, naked abdomen spurting blood and amniotic fluid from the incision while the surgeon pulls out a placenta."
I think I read that line in a Penthouse letter.
at November 13, 2007 1:31 PM
Hugh
This quote from Sir Charles Napier comes up on JW from time to time and when it does it always causes me a little sadness.
I reflect that over 150 years ago European governments had sufficient self-confidence to enforce civilised standards of behaviour in every territory they governed. While they were tolerant of harmless religious practices they came down heavily on burning, butchery and general barbarism. Believe or not the founders of Indian democracy in the 1880s publicly thanked them for doing so.
Now we do not have the confidence, or perhaps the power, to enforce our own laws in our own lands.
In fact it is not sad, it is pathetic.
at November 13, 2007 1:39 PM
There is a strong element of silliness involved in all this, despite the serious circumstances and Tthe grotesquely comic aspect of this story - Islam can often produce black farces - seems to have brought out the comedian in others.
The he or she that calls itself Naseem, bored with just laughing at JW readers for thinking he is a widow living in Lahore, thought he would put forward a ridiculous and provocative defence of the man's action in order to get a rise.
It was also ( whatever Hugh says) a 17th century Napier who invented logarithms, not the 19th century general, whose statue stands in Trafalgar Square.
at November 13, 2007 1:42 PM
To the site's administrator.
Please delete my last comment. It has been pointed to me by a friend that the cultural/religious background of the "doctor" is not clear. I apologize for sending in an unverified allegation.
Posted by: thomas. h at November 13, 2007 1:45 PM
In most jurisdictions in the US, a doctor cannot give treatment if the patient refuses. I don't know about Belgium. The doctor or the nurse should have aked if she wanted the doctor's care. If she said no, then she must leave the hospital. Her death would be on her own hands and that of the husband.
Posted by: Provoslavni at November 13, 2007 1:54 PM
"I work in Urology Surgery...you would be amazed at how many bearded muslims accept surgical services at Catholic Hospitals...with Jewish Doctors no less!"
-- from a posting above
Not "amazed." The padishahlar (Ottomoan sultans) historically were treated by Jewish doctors, and at the Topkapi complex you will find a nondescript building in, where a small plaque mentions this fact. I have heard from bemused doctors in certain well-known hospitals about the rich Arabs who sometimes make clear that they would prefer Jewish doctors. That has only to do with tradition and Muslim stereotypes, not with any particular fondness for Jewish doctors otherwise, much less for Jews. The dhimmi-doctor can be tolerated by those who merely employ him to treat him. But should that dhimmi-doctor -- Jewish or Christian -- begin to think he's entitled to respect, or even something more, from the Muslims he treats -- well, forget it.
Posted by: Hugh at November 13, 2007 1:55 PM
Thomas H, this was in an operating room, several people were there, Naseem's concerns are completely unfounded.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 2:19 PM
". . . and they don't intimidate society into accepting their foolish beliefs."
by PersonOfTheBook
I assume that you have never been to a school board meeting where the subject was the teaching of intelligent design. There are many ways to intimidate people, lawsuits are one, calling them sinners is another.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 1:02 PM
Come on, Pelayo, you know that the issues are not the same.
In the case of the school board meeting, you have various groups fighting for representation in the public square. They are doing it the right way; they are going to the school board meeting and trying to make their case.
Even lawsuits are a legitimate way of making sure that you are not denied your place "at the table".
But that is a very different thing than the local "witch doctor" (I mean "imam") dictating how medical care should be administered; or the husband preventing his wife from receiving urgently needed care, and preventing medical personnel from administering that care; and the hospital going along with that fiasco.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at November 13, 2007 2:19 PM
pPelayo,
Thomas H, this was in an operating room, several people were there, Naseem's concerns are completely unfounded.
Sarcasm can be such a tricky thing to convey.
I should have used the "sarcasm on" and "sarcasm off" tags.
at November 13, 2007 2:38 PM
Paging Mr Darwin! Paging Mr Darwin!
Posted by: pr126 at November 13, 2007 2:50 PM
PersonOfTheBook, what you are saying now is not what you said at 12:32.
What you are talking about at 2:19 is one individual imposing a regulation on a doctor.
At 12:32 you were writing about society, and I gave a very good example.
A lawsuits are not intimidating? When the cost of defending a school board policy might exceed one third of the school budget for the course of the lawsuit?
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 2:53 PM
Sorry if this has been said already, but I don't have the stamina to read 65 posts!
If the anaesthetist had stood his ground and called the police etc and gone ahead and treated the wife and seen her uncovered meat, he would have marked her for at a minimum repudiation and possibly death - as in death before 'dishonour.'
Oh, how they've debased our language.
Posted by: Silvester at November 13, 2007 2:55 PM
AlwaysOnWatch posted an essay about being at a breast imaging center and what happened when a moslem woman, whose husband and son accompanied her, was called in for a mammogram. AOW posts from the DC Metro area.
http://alwaysonwatch2.blogspot.com/2007/11/superstition-trumps-medicine.html
at November 13, 2007 2:56 PM
Actually I've decided never to use the word 'honour' in referring to this muslim concept again. It is not honour, it is pride. Muslim male pride. And not for nothing is pride one of the seven deadly sins.
Posted by: Silvester at November 13, 2007 2:58 PM
thomas H, I know exactly what you mean about sarcasm tags.
Personofthebook, our school system uses the term Winter Break instead of Christmas Holiday because of a complaint by one parent. The board received one letter from an ACLU lawyer and completely caved in. Intimidating?
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 3:03 PM
I wonder what the woman wanted? Oh, I forgot, she doesn't get a say.
If you are going to have medical treatment you are not allowed to choose who treats you. I wonder what would happen if I refused to be treated by a muslim doctor? I'll tell you. I would be arrested for a "hate" crime.
Posted by: DaveMate at November 13, 2007 3:13 PM
Naseem is such a weirdo. Muslims are like dogs, they can't control themselves. I hope they are kicked out of our countrys soon.
Posted by: Isamisevil at November 13, 2007 3:14 PM
OH I forgot, I would also be refused treatment and left to die.
Posted by: DaveMate at November 13, 2007 3:15 PM
PersonOfTheBook, what you are saying now is not what you said at 12:32.
What you are talking about at 2:19 is one individual imposing a regulation on a doctor.
At 12:32 you were writing about society, and I gave a very good example.
A lawsuits are not intimidating? When the cost of defending a school board policy might exceed one third of the school budget for the course of the lawsuit?
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 2:53 PM
Pelayo, my point in both of those posts was that Muslims, more and more, are shoving their weight around and demanding that society do things THEIR way. They have a superiority attitude, and think that it is their right and destiny, even the will of Allah, for them to rule.
Yes, lawsuits can be intimidating, but it's certainly not the same when you have a few Christians suing a few school boards; vs thousands of Muslims throughout the West, shoving their weight around via lawsuits, probes, dry runs, and actual acts of terror.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at November 13, 2007 3:32 PM
Pelayo says:
"Muslims do not hold the patent on foolish beliefs."
No, but they've put them into mass production.
General Charles Napier:
"You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
Sound advice, as we've been led off the Left side of the road over the last several decades, and into the deep and dangerous weeds. We need to bring rifles and ruthlessness along on this forray into the jungle, not try to reason with the beast as it devours our legs.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 13, 2007 3:42 PM
PersonOfTheBook, You got it. Basically it boils down to numbers. Muslim fundamentalists, greatly outnumber other fundamentalists and they are more dangerous; therefore, they are the much, much greater problem.
Christian fundamentalists who are trying to sneak in creationism under the disguise of intelligent design do not have the ACLU financing them, but non-Christians can rely on the ACLU's deep pockets.
If there ever is a confrontation in the US similar to the Belgian one we are discussing, you can bet the farm that the ACLU will flex some muscle.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 3:44 PM
"I'm pretty sure..."
-- from a posting above, about what apparently was taken at face value
Joke. Meant to be, anyway.
Posted by: Hugh at November 13, 2007 3:55 PM
Pelayo-
I am not a Christian fundamentalist, belong to no organized religion but am a believer in what is called 'intelligent design'.
Don't open that can of worms in Jihadwatch ever again. It is VERY distracting and divisive.
If you believe the eye could have developed by a series of utterly meaningless accidents EACH of these millions of accidents ADVANTAGEOUS to the creature you are the nutty believer.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 13, 2007 4:03 PM
poetcomic1, I only used that as an example of ACLU prejudice, not as a point of discussion. However, you could have left out that last sentence.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 4:16 PM
"This was a test from Allah SWT to test his faith."
Ohh! I was under impression that Allah being 'All knowing' was already aware of faith of everyone.
And since the female and male, as well as Imam choose to expose tiny skin of the female to infidels, and relied on infidel's ways of delivering babies, they have already contradicted the faith and can expect good burning in hell. Had she died in labour and accepted it as Allah's wish and not allowed pork eating infidels near her body, she would have gone to heaven and would have become part of 72 virgin females per suicide bomber concubine.
AS per her husband it would not cause her any grief as she would already be having three more wives at home and soon would be free to get one more.
And if they had stuck to their faith, then too credit would go ot to them but to Allah's grace and will.
Why Allah!! you are so sadist!! Knowing everything you test your followers. And if they fail, you burn them in hell, if they succeed, it is because of your grace. Being all powerful, you trouble petty followers to kill themselves in the way, instead of clearing all this 'mess' which is ofcourse created by you.
Some Pagan Gods are better ( I do not know about all), they ask those who take comfort in them, not to bother too much with the world and faith, if things go wrong, they would come and settle things.
Posted by: pagan at November 13, 2007 4:17 PM
I mean it was bad enough that the missus needs a caesarean...but then shock horror...for his wife to be treated by a male kaffur....to be looking at and possibly droolling over his pregenant wife's abdomen and possibly her private parts
my wife has been examined by muslim gynecologists
and she felt so uncomfotable she demanded that i be in the room and i ented up telling him after 5 minuets i told him we were done when he stood up i could see he had a bonner i have never seen this happen with a doc that was not a muslim
and the idia that a male kaffur would possibly droolling over his pregenant wife's abdomen and possibly her private parts is utter bs nasseam
as a former trucker i have had to assist with emergency child birth and I droolling over the pregenant womans s abdomen and her private parts
I was far more interested in making sure the baby was being born alive and well we were trapped in a blizzard in Montana at a rest stop judging from the way it Muslim men act they would've taken the fact this lady needed her bottom bair as an invitation to start sex nevermind it is almost impossible for women to give birthwith the birth canal covered I might add that the two times she has had a pull out a gun to defend herself were when small groups of Middle Eastern men broke into our camper van where she was sleeping they sure ran when she pulled out her 45 frankly I think most Muslims are too concerned with sex because they are so insecure
..are you a complete idiot as most muslins seem to be or money hungrey
..I mean he will have failed in his faith...and his muslima understands completely what he is going through....she will risk her life to ensure he does not shirk from his faith...
and he is a complete geek and idiot as is she they both are over the age of 18but the child is not and they are risking the child life and that is just plain wrong and the baby has no freedom of choice
all I can say is that thank Allah SWT that there is a good supply of Imams in that part of the world to resolve important life and death situations, without loss of faith.
Posted by: Naseem
and in my opinion you are a blithering idiot
at November 13, 2007 4:24 PM
Naseem,
"all I can say is that thank Allah SWT that there is a good supply of Imams in that part of the world to resolve important life and death situations, without loss of faith."
If there is an emergency medical situations, there is no lost of faith if the wife had to be giving medical treatment, even if the person is not Muslim because again, faith must not be the cause of a needless tragic situation.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 13, 2007 4:35 PM
You can guarantee there would have been some sort of lawsuit,on behalf of the husband,and with the aid of muslim advocacy groups, against doctor Becx for insensitivity toward 'religious beliefs' for attempting to save the life of a mother and child.
Posted by: kafir world at November 13, 2007 4:36 PM
The books on Islams best seller list:
'Surgery For Dhummi's'
'How to spell O.B.G.Y.N.'
'Proper Ethics Regarding: Sex or Medical Emergency'
'Anesthisiology For Dhummi's'
'Girls Gone Wild in the Emergency Room'
I looked but none of Robert Spencer's books, huh?
at November 13, 2007 4:46 PM
thomas h. said
I should have used the "sarcasm on" and "sarcasm off" tags.
Please don't. Lou Costello didn't interrupt his routine to explain to the audience that, "You see, the man playing first base, his name is actually 'W-H-O', which is confusing my partner due to it sounding like the beginning of a question...etc.". Do we have to use emoticons for everything we write? "I am feeling angry/cheerful/frustrated/energized as I write the following sentence"? Better we just outlaw humor altogether. Like Islam.
Posted by: special_guest at November 13, 2007 5:11 PM
I've read stories from France of doctors delivering babies getting punched by the husbands that barged into the delivery rooms.
Posted by: Borg at November 13, 2007 5:38 PM
They didn't phone the police. No wonder they keep getting overrun by whichever power happens to fancy owning them.
Islam next then.
Unbelievable, the racist attitude, that any sort of behaviour is tolerable, no matter how barbaric and primitive, as long as it's an asian, arab or black person doing it.
at November 13, 2007 5:39 PM
leave the belgians alone, they are obviously living happily with islam and the creeping sharia. they are too busy drinking stella artois and eating fine belgian chocolates to really care what happens to their immigrant happy nation. leave them alone!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at November 13, 2007 5:59 PM
This guy is a pretty poor specimen of a Moslem, I'd say. What was he thinking, having his wife treated in a kaffir hospital? They should have flown back to the Old Country, where a proper mid-wife could have seen to the delivery. Of course, then both wife and child would likely have died, but they would now be in paradise, so there's no problem there. And in that case he could have picked up a fresh young wife to bring back to Belgium with him.
Posted by: ebonystone at November 13, 2007 6:31 PM
ebonystone
why? he had some some belgian doctor submit to sharia law and htye even received some free health care! why waste the air fare. the belgians obviously agree with this or there'd be riots on the streets and votes for the muslims to leave, surely their silence means that they love the creeping sharia?
leave them alone
(my catchphrase for tonight, i'm in a sour mood)
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at November 13, 2007 6:34 PM
PersonOfTheBook, You got it. Basically it boils down to numbers. Muslim fundamentalists, greatly outnumber other fundamentalists and they are more dangerous; therefore, they are the much, much greater problem.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 3:44 PM
Pelayo, thanks for the acknowledgement.
There's another thing: Lots and lots of Muslim fundamentalists use violence and intimidation to press their point; with other fundamentalists, however, violence and intimidation is extremely rare.
Also, it is extremely rare for there to be public censure by other Muslims when these violent acts by Muslims occur; but let any Christian fundamentalist commit ANY violence in the name of Christ, and virtually ALL of the Christian leaders will rise up and condemn that person.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at November 13, 2007 6:35 PM
Evil? Another name for it is "Islam." And "Mohammed." And "Qur'an."
Case closed.
Posted by: darcy at November 13, 2007 7:37 PM
Silvester is so totally right. If the police had been called and the husband dragged away, the poor wife would have been killed by the husband or her brother or similar, and if the baby was a girl, maybe the infant also? In Italy, poss the book would then be thrown at the male relations, but then again, maybe not . . .
All I can say is, if I were down the hall awaiting the services of an anesthesiologist and found out that he was involved in a two-hour discussion with the above-mentioned husband, and then was practically phoning in the instructions to an unqualified person when he should already be finished and moving on to me, they would all, each and every one including the poor wife on the table, find out exactly what a law suit is.
Maybe if more of these people were forcibly restrained or thrown out or arrested (and jailed!), instead of being catered to, they would decide that it's not worth their while to come here and make a fuss!
I know. Sadly, I know . . .
Posted by: Cassandra2K at November 13, 2007 7:51 PM
"Evil? Another name for it is "Islam." And "Mohammed." And "Qur'an."
Case closed."
so lets allow a million more into europe. seems logical? we've allowed in around 20 million so why not another 10? 20? 30? any offers?
the people of europe are seemingly happy with islamic immigration and the perversion of their ancient laws.
leave them alone! the euros are happy with this status quo and are more concerned with grown men kicking air bags around a field than with this silly muslim thingy.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at November 13, 2007 8:04 PM
look, darcy
the euros love islam so much they may be forming a coalition government with them in denmark.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7091941.stm
leave them alone! euros love islam.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at November 13, 2007 8:06 PM
Since the anathestist didn't have to be in the operating room to see what he was doing, I guess then that blind people should demand the right to be anathestists based on the fact that they don't need to see, in order to be an anathestist.
Posted by: Voltaire at November 13, 2007 8:12 PM
Since the anathestist didn't have to be in the operating room to see what he was doing, I guess then that blind people should demand the right to be anathestists based on the fact that they don't need to see, in order to be an anathestist.
Posted by: Voltaire [TypeKey Profile Page]
Voltaire fire only heard of one case where a blind man did become a doctor but in practice as psychiatrists
Posted by: mowasaperv at November 13, 2007 9:43 PM
Sounds like hospitals now need tranquilizer dart guns for the relatives of their female Muslim patients.
Although not allowing these retrograde imbeciles into the West, in the first place, makes more sense.
And costs less dollars.
Posted by: profitsbeard at November 13, 2007 9:53 PM
The main article said that she was given an epidural. I thought that general anasthesia would have been given. Oh, well.
All the anesthetist would do would be to instruct the nurse on monitoring and controlling the anesthetic flow. What we need is a doctor to really explain this. Is there a doctor in the house?
Here is something else to consider: I do not know about the state of medical practice in the Arabian peninsula during the time ole Moh lived. If Moh were really and truly a prophet and if he really and truly received the message from Allah, there might have been a way to work out an exception for physicians from the Quranc texts. But, no! In the Mohammedan belief system, a doctor is just another man.
I do not know of another belief system in the universe that restricts the interaction between a doctor and a patient.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 13, 2007 10:32 PM
Good God.
If you want the benefits of modern medicine, then you have to let the medical specialist do his job. If you're going to succumb to your religious superstitions, then call the imam to do the surgery.
Can you imagine the lawsuit if the C-section was less than successful?
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Naseem-
The human birth process is, for lack of a more technical term, "icky". I doubt any physician is going to be looking at blood, mucus, urine and feces during childbirth and "drooling". In the case of the anesthetist, it's my understanding he would be seated by the patient's head anyway, checking the machines that monitor pulse, blood pressure, oxygen saturation, respiration. This was a C-section, so the patient would be draped except for the incision area. Not much to ogle, my dear.
PS- You are out of your mind.
PPS- Your salacious religion is out of its (collective) mind.
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at November 13, 2007 10:42 PM
The only reasonable conclusion to draw is that Islam HATES women. It has absorbed and perpetuated pre-Islamic customs - purdah, FGM, honor killings - that were anti-woman. Had it conquered China it would doubtless have eagerly absorbed and sanctified foot-binding.
I have been slowly re-reading - and scrapbooking - my way through the jihadwatch archives. I don't know how to do links, so I will simply copy and paste a story from 2006, posted by a regular commenter in response to an article about the destruction of an International Medical Corps clinic in Afghanistan, that this current article forcibly recalled to me.
"In my friendship group at university", wrote a regular poster, "was a big bear of a man. He was a country lad and he studied medicine. He was an average student but quick of smile, warm of heart, compassionate, caring and although totally non-evangelical, a dedicated christian. But unlike many others he put his beliefs into practice and he was an excellent doctor.
After he graduated he did the formal year in hospital and he then joined a missionary medical group in Africa to bring medical care to the darkest of dark Africa - the Sudan near its border with Eritrea. One night he was woken by a nurse: there was a Muslim female with a breech delivery, which had "gone wrong". She was in a village miles away and he could have no escort but the midwife at that time of night and it was dangerous country. There was no bin Laden then but there was always the simmering resentment from the muslims and especially their imams.
As luck would have it this was one of the wives of the village witch doctor or imam (yes I do know that they are different but it fits) and it was the long awaited boy, as he already had a number of girls.
Unfortunately the child was also already dead and his head could NOT be freed without either killing the mother or decapitating the child (I do not know all of the details so no lectures on obstetrics please). The father refused to allow the boy-child to have his head removed or crushed and became quite threatening and as it was her fault anyway, he was quite happy just to let her die, as she had killed his son.
My friend threw him out and realised that she was only 12 or 13 was sinking fast so he did not hesitate and he freed the child.
He had 50+ stab wounds in his body when they recovered it. He also had been decapitated and the young mother had her throat slit.
It was called an "incident with a psychotic tribesman at the time" but his parent later found out that the whole medical team had to leave the area under dire threats as someone had dared to examine a woman with a breast abscess without the presence of her husband(100 miles away).?The murderer was never even charged.
They never had any problems with the animists or the christian tribes-people, only the Muslims..."
Posted by: Zathras at July 2, 2006 7:22 AM
Sounds like hospitals currently forced to deal with Muslim women, in the West, need [non-Muslim] bouncers - with SERIOUS martial arts training, and access to a nice little padded cell next to the waiting room, to function as a 'cooler'. Call it the prayer room...
And time for our wonderful, gentle, woman-loving non-Muslim menfolk in the West - and in Israel - to learn how to release their Inner Hulk. Recommended for those who are doctors, paramedics, etc.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 14, 2007 1:47 AM
That he put his wife and child in jeopardy is surely not a surprise. These are people who put their wives and children in the line of fire and then shoot at their enemies. Pathetic religion.
Posted by: lafn at November 14, 2007 4:09 AM
"That he put his wife and child in jeopardy is surely not a surprise. These are people who put their wives and children in the line of fire and then shoot at their enemies. Pathetic religion.
Posted by: lafn"
....and then they complain when those attacked shoot back and kill the women and children....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 14, 2007 6:00 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
Some interesting comments from the posters... unfortunately not many constructive ones.
The real question to ask here is "How do we prevent this from being a real pain ( in more ways than one) to the patient(s) ( mother and child in this case) in the future?".
Before answering this, I think it is admirable how the muslim "stuck to his guns" in the face of enormous pressure from the authorities as well as the emotional tags and cries of help from his wife....imagine the pressure in his mind if you will.
Lets face it, we come into this dunia on our own, build "relationships" with strangers who identify themselves as wives, brothers, sisters etc.
In the end though we will leave this dunia also on our own...and the one REAL relationship , from the previous world, this one and the next is Allah Paak....this man recognised this above all else...if this is not admirable ...what is?
As in industry, career etc...one has to look after one's own interest above all....even if that is someone known as the "wife".
Back to the answer however, in order to resolve this type of problem in the future quickly....do NOT call the police, do NOT turn the patients away....instead all the hospitals need to have a local imam on call if necessary.
Get a beeper installed at the local mosque....and give a personal beeper to the imam...so that one can be contacted immediately 24/7.
This is the sensible way forward.
Posted by: Naseem at November 14, 2007 6:46 AM
"....imagine the pressure in his mind if you will. "
........I can imagine how the satanic voices screaming in his head about the lessons he has learned in the Mosque about Death the the Infidels may have conflicted with the knowledge at hand that the only trained medical professionals availiable who could safely deliver the baby and provide quality medical to both the mother and the baby were, in fact, Infidels.....
...why did the moron bring his pregnant wife to the hospital in the first place.....for the medical care or to be able to create a nasty scene for the benefit of his Islamic slavemasters.....
...such people are not needed in your neighborhood...Ban Muslim Immigration....
at November 14, 2007 7:21 AM
"Back to the answer however, in order to resolve this type of problem in the future quickly....do NOT call the police, do NOT turn the patients away....instead all the hospitals need to have a local imam on call if necessary. "
....Pregnant Muslim women should not go to Infidel run hospitals with their husbands...they should go to the Mosque.....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 14, 2007 7:26 AM
exsgtbrown,
It goes to show that an emergency medical situations like this one, the need for GOOD COMMON SENSE must always trump excessive religious observance like in this sample case study.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 14, 2007 7:55 AM
My view is: screw them. Don't bother bringing the benefits of the West to these people. You are uselessly putting yourself in danger and for what? They will still hate you. Islam produces psychosis. The Islamic world is basically one large asylum.
As for when Moslem patients appear in Western hospitals, either you treat them like everyone else, or toss them. No "imam" or other witch doctor mumbling some b.s. about that long-dead piece of garbage; everyone is atomic in our society, apart from children. Husbands are not automatically entitled to interfere with their wives' medical decisions. The family of that woman should not have been allowed to be with her; either that, or the doctor, citing fears for his safety should have simply left.
So what if she dies? Are their lives really that precious? Would anyone here actually sacrifice themselves or put themselves in harm's way for the benefit of Moslems? (and that's the reason I am and was completely opposed to our foolish Iraq venture). I wouldn't. If you believe, as I do, that they are at war with us, why attend to their soldiers?
Posted by: Seymour Paine at November 14, 2007 7:56 AM
The sad truth is that Islam has become the sick person of the world.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 14, 2007 8:07 AM
Assalamau Laikum catgirl,
You say "The sad truth is that Islam has become the sick person of the world".
It is also sad that Islam may well be the last of the true faiths too...would any christian let himself be put himself under such pressure.... this man KNEW that Allah Paak would not let him down....christians simply no longer believe....
the faithless shall rue their mistakes on judgement day...
you peoples will kick yourselves when the truth of Allah T'alla is known to you.
Posted by: Naseem at November 14, 2007 8:25 AM
Late to the conversation but need to weigh in for the record.
A local Philadelphia suburban hospital had a brouhaha a few years ago when a white couple asked that no black nurses handle the wife while in labor/delivery. The hospital reluctantly complied and then found itself in a huge scandal than brought lawusuits, apologies and, of course, "sensitivity training" for the entire staff.
A nurse who works here told me recently, though, that despite the "re-training" concerning the black issue, Muslim patients are getting preferential treatment, similar to what is described in this article.
She even mentioend women giving birth clothed!
Accommodation --the beginning of the end.
at November 14, 2007 8:38 AM
There is no "Allah," except for the pre-Islamic pagan Moon deity, a rock idol, iow, "allah."
Imagine how Mohammedans kick themselves when they pass and find out their "faith" has all been a big lie made up by Mohammed.
Posted by: darcy at November 14, 2007 8:46 AM
bigcatgirl,
The sad truth is that Islam has become the sick person of the world.
It may be true. But the (Western) world which lets that sick person in and assists it in spreading the infection that eventually must kill the west is even sicker.
A saner world would stop all Moslem immigration, start Moslem deportation and bring to justice the persons responsible for the damage the “sick person” has caused it.
So who is sicker; the sick person, or the one who is doing everything to get sick?
Posted by: thomas. h at November 14, 2007 9:09 AM
That he put his wife and child in jeopardy is surely not a surprise. These are people who put their wives and children in the line of fire and then shoot at their enemies. Pathetic religion.
Posted by: lafn at November 14, 2007 4:09 AM
Did you know Benazir Bhutto has said that the bomb which killed 140 people last week and that was meant for her was strapped to a child? This "straight to Paradise/Martyr's death" lie of Mohammed's is responsible for so much human carnage. IMO, Mohammed is as evil as Hitler.
at November 14, 2007 9:25 AM
Nassem,
...you peoples will kick yourselves when the truth of Allah T'alla is known to you.
Well the truth of Allah Tallah is (very) slowly becoming obvious to some of us, so you should not exclude the possibility that instead of waiting for the whole truth "we peoples" may get very tired with the part of "the truth" we already know and kick "you peoples" out of here.
at November 14, 2007 9:30 AM
"Well the truth of Allah Tallah... Posted by: thomas. h at November 14, 2007 9:30 AM
...is all a big pack of lies." Mohammed the pathological Liar.
Posted by: darcy at November 14, 2007 9:42 AM
bigcatgirl,
The sad truth is that Islam has become the sick person of the world.
Islam is not sick. Not any more than syphilis is sick. Islam IS sickness.
Posted by: thomas. h at November 14, 2007 9:56 AM
darcy
The Butto bomb was strapped to a child? Par for the political course in Pakistan.
The former cricketer Imran Khan is a small player in Pakistani opposition politics but he does a lot of work for a cancer hospital he set up. His political opponents bombed it and killed about 30 people!
Posted by: Fred at November 14, 2007 1:01 PM
Assalamau Laikum all,
Some interesting comments from the posters... unfortunately not many constructive ones.
The real question to ask here is "How do we prevent this from being a real pain ( in more ways than one) to the patient(s) ( mother and child in this case) in the future?".
Before answering this, I think it is admirable how the muslim "stuck to his guns"
and in my opinion nassem you're being more of an idiot than usual I suggest you get your head out of Allhas ass and come up for air
in the face of enormous pressure from the authorities as well as the emotional tags and cries of help from his wife....imagine the pressure in his mind if you will.
Lets face it, we come into this dunia on our own, build "relationships" with strangers who identify themselves as wives, brothers, sisters etc.
In the end though we will leave this dunia also on our own...and the one REAL relationship , from the previous world, this one and the next is Allah Paak....this man recognised this above all else...if this is not admirable ...what is?
no not a viable idea the only thing Muslims have done over the centuries is to attack Muslims and non-Muslims use them as slaves and as a source of income so they would not have to work
Christianity is the true religion all Islam is, is a cult founded by a megalomaniac delusions of grandeur and the followers of this cult are just as bad as Mohammed himself. Your comments about a non-Muslim Dr. drooling over a pregnant woman giving birth or undergoing a C-section show just how stupid you are. Having helped with emergency childbirth I can tell you it's a pretty bloody mess I can also tell you if I ever have to do it again and the patient is a Muslim woman I might well have a second patient for a third because I would kick the heck of any Muslim male that try to interfere and under the good Samaritan laws I would be within my rights because frankly no medical person or first aid person would be drooling over a birthing women's private parts to be more trying to keep things clean and make sure the baby was born without the cord being wrapped around its neck birth is a very bloody process now I don't know for certain what a Muslim male would do probably go for pray to the mythical god allha and let the patient die but there are laws against that
As in industry, career etc...one has to look after one's own interest above all....even if that is someone known as the "wife".
lets call her what she really is the Muslim his property
Back to the answer however, in order to resolve this type of problem in the future quickly....do call the police, do turn the patients away....instead all the hospitals need to have a local imam on call if necessary.
can we say witch Dr.this guy waving of the Koran is something he can do all day longmore likely than not will not even have basic first aid and all- that qualified to make any medical decisions just look at what happened when the imman interfered in Belgium you seem to be more concerned that a non-Muslim might be drooling over this pregnant women giving birth than the fact she needed medical care and frankly I've not seen one Muslim woman that I would cross street for in fact the other day I was cursed out by a woman wearing a burqa when she ran into my wheelchair I am now concluding that Muslims have no respect for anyone but other Muslims
Get a beeper installed at the local mosque....and give a personal beeper to the imam...so that one can be contacted immediately 24/7.
no way the last thing we need more Muslims in emergency rooms interfering this nonsense one of the reasons that all hospitals now have licensed security guards on call 24/7 and I know of guards that with the RCMP backup have thrown inmans offsite when they try to interfere with the treatment of patients who have given their consent for treatmentso the last thing we need is more theseinman also known as witch doctors on-site
and to see how the difference in cultures are all we have to do is look at the West and the Arab cultures and we can clearly see that men in the West are nowhere near as insecure as the average Muslim in the Middle East and do not think that their wives are going to hop into bed with the first guy that wanders over, I've been married for more than 25 years for 18 of those years I was a long-haul trucker she meant I was gone a lot but I knew my way to take care of herself and as a Christian Quaker she is very loyal and I know she would not jump into bed with the first guy came along even though I was not there
and equally probably have ever had is when Muslim men living nearby would not back off when they were told she was married and had no interest in fooling around with them it took me showing up in my 18 wheeler and looking upset with them and if they did not quit bothering my wife I would drive over their cars and then inside and then beat the stuffing out of their brothers and sons at that point they got the message and let my wife alone is giving the impression that Muslim men think any non-Muslim woman is fair game and that they seem to think kafur man must think the same way they do in their sick minds so naseem I suggest you use what little brain you would have and convert to Christianity and then maybe you might realize Christian man just as hornny as Muslim men do not see every woman as a walking advertisement for sex
This is the sensible way forward.
Posted by: Naseem
at November 14, 2007 5:59 PM
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