And if an incident comes down, and somebody responds by fire-bombing a Muslim's house, these same activists will scream about lack of police protection.

And then they will demand compensation (filtered through their groups, of course). Which is the whole plan

Posted by: PapaBear at November 15, 2007 7:29 AM

It is not a president JW posters will like but giving out maps of the sectarian areas in Northern Ireland was the first thing the British army did 38 years ago. It was taken for granted by both the local communities as they knew the boundaries anyway but for the servicemen it was literally a matter of life and death.

As PapaBear has posted these maps were/are also essential to identify the likely culprits when there are "inter-communal incidents".

Posted by: Fred at November 15, 2007 8:02 AM

"Grady said the remaining part of the initiative, which includes outreach efforts to strengthen ties with Muslim communities, would continue, and police planned to meet with Muslim leaders Thursday."

Ummmmm...how about the Muslim communities starting an outreach program?

Posted by: Elric66 at November 15, 2007 8:15 AM

The collapse on their part is California PC that I suspected from the start of this issue.

Beyond that it really isn't hard to do the same thing on the cheap.

Hit up any commercial mass mailer to buy their specific list of Muslim addresses in the area and they will sell you a list with a 95% or above confidence factor and have it to you in less than one business day.

If they don't want to touch it for political reasons let them shout it out and I am sure a collection could be taken up for the 5 or 6 grand fee a commercial bulk mailer would charge for the search customization and sent anonymously to the Police department to give them a heads up.

Posted by: SlimGuy at November 15, 2007 8:27 AM

You have to pick the mailer carefully. Many will not release their lists to you even for review under a contract.

They only will produce the list for internal use to do their mailings and refuse to release the addresses to keep competitors from buying their database piece meal.

But some will actually sell you the customized list.

Posted by: SlimGuy at November 15, 2007 8:32 AM

How about the police mapping out the muslim communities in LA and getting the information they need, but not telling anyone in the media or any pressure groups about it? Makes sense to me.

Posted by: Jebat at November 15, 2007 9:28 AM

Jebat,

It makes sense to me, too, and I can't help wondering why the LAPD said anything at all to begin with. Maybe there was a leak.

Maybe the city of LA should institute an annual census. Even if they were uncooperative, it's not hard to pick Mohammedans out of a crowd.

Better still, perhaps Homeland Security (stop laughing--I'm trying to be serious here) could pick up the ball. Silently, of course.

Posted by: Abscedere at November 15, 2007 10:22 AM

"There was a clear message from the Muslim community that they were not comfortable with it. So we listened," said Mary Grady, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Police Department.

Wow, wonder if they listen to clear messages from other communities about their not being comfortable with muslim activities. I'm guessing probably not.

Posted by: j_not_a at November 15, 2007 10:30 AM

"There was a clear message from the Muslim community that they were not comfortable with it. So we listened," said Mary Grady, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Police Department".

Funny-when the Koran and other texts give a "clear message" about killing and world domination and other fun topics most infidels (including probably Grady) don't listen. I wonder why? Maybe if more "listening" went on we'd all be in better shape.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 15, 2007 10:32 AM

Shelve it publicly, do it on the hush hush.
Moslems don't have to know.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at November 15, 2007 11:40 AM

Blame the ACLU, if the LAPD didn't cave the ACLU would have tied up the LAPD in court for years and it would cost them a bundle to defend themselves.

If we ever want to get a handle on Muslims, we need to get rid of the ACLU as they only serve now to protect to extremist and criminal elements in our society.

Posted by: waltc at November 15, 2007 12:35 PM

This was my comment on the breitbart.com site.
jihadforwhat November 15th, 2007 - 5:40 am

“… “There was a clear message from the Muslim community that they were not comfortable with it. So we listened,” said Mary Grady, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Police Department. She couldn’t immediately say when the plan might resume. …”

The clear message is that they, the Muslims, created a sense of dhimmi for all non-Muslims. It now appears that the Muslims are in complete control and local city, county, and even state officials are cowards. Welcome to Tehran west. Learn where Mecca is because you will have to pray towards it 5 time a day, maybe as soon as this afternoon.

Say goodbye to all your freedoms. You will only be permitted to engage in thoughts and activities approve by your local Imam. You must immediately convert to Islam or die.

This is not a phobic rant. Just review Islamic history and study current Islamic/Muslim societies in Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, and etc.

Posted by: getrealnow4 at November 15, 2007 12:36 PM

Well there you are . And one wonders why Los Angeles County has 10 times more gang members terrorizing communities than it has police officers because to many officers have their hands tied by constitutional rights that gang members should not have; thanks ACLU.

Imagine if gang members put pressure on the LAPD to stop monitoring them might they collapse in a PC Puddle on that to?

Mosques,madrasses,Muslim organizations need to be monitored in this undeclared war with this aggressive ideology that evidence has shown time and time again is in itself infiltrating the Muslim community.

Posted by: Mackie at November 15, 2007 12:57 PM

If terrorist are not free to plan terror attacks, are any of us really free?

Posted by: GrennBeck at November 15, 2007 2:41 PM

Why are people surprised by this? The ACLU and phony moderate Muslims made a big deal of the program in the press so it was officially. This program will continue covertly and under another name, this time without signaling the "Muslim" community.You don't look for terrorists at Buddhist temples or in Mormons churches they are found in the Muslim community and in the local mosque.There's a reason why mosques are under surveillance all over the world.

Posted by: Roxane at November 15, 2007 3:00 PM

Spend 30 minutes with a phonebook and a map and you will be able to draw a pretty accurate map of at least the most concentrated areas. Three guesses as to what last names to look up.

Posted by: QuickHenryTheFlit at November 15, 2007 3:12 PM

Bo Diddle was just on FOX news making the same point I just made. He said a private company called "Choicepoint" does this type of mapping and has done it for the FBI. So the LAPD can scrap their program meet with the phony moderate Muslim leaders while having the Muslim mapping done by a private company.

Posted by: Roxane at November 15, 2007 4:57 PM

I disagree with those who think the LAPD should hide the actions it takes to protect the community.

I think the LAPD should listen to the community, and follow the desires of the community.

The focus should be on getting the community to understand what is different about Islam; what does it teach that other religions do not? What unites the Muslims is not a "race", or skin color, or country of origin. What unites the Muslims is the belief in a particular ideology. Our community needs to understand what that ideology is, and react accordingly. The actions we will request (or demand, depending on the number of casualties in the next attack) the LAPD and others to take will require broad-based support across the entire community. We will all need to act together. A small number of LAPD officials cannot go off by themselves and solve this problem without telling anyone what they're doing and why. It won't work.

Posted by: special_guest at November 15, 2007 6:00 PM

I would like to comment fully on this situation, and feel that I can because I know a great many obscene and offensive terms to denigrate a person's integrity and specifically their masculinity.

But alas, I think it would detract from the tone of the site to say exactly what I am thinking.

Suffice it to say that this surrender is not only an act of cowardice, but the particular dereliction of duty here smacks of treason.

Posted by: joeblough at November 15, 2007 6:41 PM

why do police etc...always make an announcement

and then always find they have to go back and apologize

why not do it, and keep quiet

Posted by: ploome at November 15, 2007 6:59 PM

Spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Police Department: "There was a clear message from the Muslim community that they were not comfortable with it."

So.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 15, 2007 7:33 PM

How about the police mapping out the muslim communities in LA and getting the information they need, but not telling anyone in the media or any pressure groups about it? Makes sense to me.

Posted by: Jebat at November 15, 2007 9:28 AM

That's what they should have done in the first place! Why make a public announcement? Undercover operations don't notify the people under surveillance before they start! Of course the muslims objected; they don't want any close scrutiny of their activities; criminal, terror related, or islamic depravities like honor killings, polygamy, and illegal animal slaughtering.

Well, we have a corrupt and muslim infested FBI and CIA "protecting" us, now the LAPD has caved to the commies at the ACLU and the muslim fifth column. What next? When is the islamic community going to "reach out" to America? I am fed up to my eyeballs with our law enforcement and government agencies catering to muslim savages! If they were real Americans, none of this crap would be necessary. It's never been done before for other immigrant groups; why muslims? Could it be because they are a dangerous menace to society? That being the case, WHY ARE THEY HERE? WHY DO THEY CONTINUE TO FLOOD INTO OUR COUNTRY?

Posted by: Susanp at November 16, 2007 12:38 AM

As QuickHenrytheFlit says -

Nothing to stop private citizens using their initiative.

And quietly tucking the information away to share with the police, should the occasion arise.

Furthermore: if you have a spouse, friends or relatives who are in the police forces - not merely in the LAPD, but in the NYPD, or anywhere else, and not only in the USA, but in Britain, or Australia, and so on - you should make it your business to find out what, if anything, they know about Islam...and if they have been confused, or are still simply ignorant, to educate them.

There are a great many interesting stories on this website, that could be shared with your friend, or neighbour, or relative in the Force.

For example: the jihad plotters who were captured because two plain old highway policemen in North Carolina caught them speeding...and then, because something about the behaviour of the 'catch' triggered gut instincts, looked further, and found the explosives in the boot, and other interesting items.

There is also the article, which any United States or British or French or Indian Hindu policeman might find very thought-provoking, from the Australian magazine Quadrant, Volume XLVIII Number 1 - January-February 2004, entitled:

The Rise of Middle Eastern Crime in Australia [PERHAPS, MORE CORRECTLY, THE BEGINNINGS OF JIHAD IN AUSTRALIA?]
by Tim Priest - an Australian policeman who describes the difference between the modus operandi of Muslim gangs in Sydney, as they established themselves, and the activities of, for example, Chinese or Vietnamese criminals. Try googling for it.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 16, 2007 3:03 AM

dumbledoresarmy

Just saw the article on australian-news.com.au. Creepy, alarming, interesting.

Clearly written froom the front line at home.

For them what wants to see ...

Tim Priest - The rise of Middle Eastern crime in Australia

He saw all this beginning in the 1980's. Something of a revelation to me.

Posted by: joeblough at November 16, 2007 10:57 AM

If they had any brains, in the LAPD, they'd go ahead running surveillance on the LA area Mohammedans and announce nothing.

As for the "outreach programs," what a crock!

Posted by: unicorns62000 at November 17, 2007 6:50 AM