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November 30, 2007

Shoot UK teddy bear teacher, say Sudanese protesters

Another proportionate response. Muhammad Teddy Bear Madness Update: "Shoot UK teacher, say protesters," from the BBC (thanks to M.):

Thousands of people have marched in the Sudanese capital Khartoum to call for UK teacher Gillian Gibbons to be shot.

Mrs Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool, was jailed by a court on Thursday after children in her class named a teddy bear Muhammad.

She was sentenced to 15 days for insulting religion, and she will then be deported.

The marchers took to the streets after Friday prayers to denounce the leniency of the sentence.

The protesters gathered in Martyrs Square, outside the presidential palace in the capital, many of them carrying knives and sticks.

Marchers chanted "Shame, shame on the UK", "No tolerance - execution" and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad".

Hundreds of riot police were deployed but they did not break up the demonstration.

Why not?

Posted by Robert at November 30, 2007 8:18 AM
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Here as well:-

(b.t.w. there is a petition here)

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23423885-details/Thousands%20of%20Islamic%20fanatics%20wielding%20knives%20demand%20jailed%20teddy%20bear%20teacher%20is%20executed/article.do#readerComments

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Posted by: Infidel419 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:26 AM

This would be laughable if it wasn't so deadly.
It always amazes me that these "pious" idiots have nothing better to do than protest such nonsense such as naming a teddy bear Mo. It's not like someone named a monument of pig poop after the father of this abomination-get over it and get a job already!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:29 AM

Don't these people work? No wonder Islamic countries are all failures.

Posted by: awake [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:35 AM

I'm surprised members of the "religion of peace" in Londonistan aren't out in the streets protesting and calling for her head. I bet they will sooner or later...

Posted by: ranoir [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:38 AM

Posted by Martin at Bias BBC.

On Sky News Kay Burley was taling to an independent reporter (Rob Crilly) in Khartoum who said that the demonstration was quite ugly and that people had gestured to him by making slitting throat actions across their necks. He said he had to leave the area. He also mentioned that the Sufi sect of Islam were the ones runing the protest (their flags were seen)

Now don't our poncy left wing politicians keep saying that Sufi Islam is the version of Islam that is the most peacful?

Then switch to BBC 1 news. Adam Mynott claimed that the demostations were small in number and "good natured". So that's OK. You can call for the beheading or shooting of a middle aged woman for letting kids name a teddy bear "Mohammed" so long as it's in good nature.

Thing was Rob Crilly was on a mobile and had been at the demonstration, but the poncy BBC reporter was in a studio. Who do you believe?

I am also trying to pin down a BBC employee at the same site with this:

"John Reith, do you feel that the comment made by a youth just before they beat the French commisioner with iron bars does or does not have any relevence to the riot or not.

Let me repeat it:

"Keufs have killed our friends! This is the enc ... ! "

Keuf is the word that French Muslims use for non-Muslims, its staring you straight in the face.

PCC/NUJ/BBC common guidelines stating that ethnic identifiers should only be used when ‘directly relevant’ to the story, well that seems to be directly relevent, in that the attack on the police commissioner kicked off the riots, to me that means it is an Islamic riot..."

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:38 AM

Can the Sudanese government protect a prisoner in their custody?
Or is it going to be jihad vigilante justice?
Where is the British government in all of this?
Is it time for a commando raid on the jail to free this British citizen?
Sharia law is an oxymoron.
Imagine what they are going to do to the teddy bear.

Posted by: tanstaafl [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:39 AM

Once again there are still to many westerners living in denial and continuing to drink the cool aid as these outraguous and pitiful displays of a warped, and paganistic religion continues to raise its lunatic fringe head over and over again.

It is time for the British Government to step up to the plate here and move into have this teacher taken to safety immediately. I can't help thinking that if anything happens to this unsuspecting school teacher, this will not sit well with the Gordon Brown Parties popularity in the UK.

The British military may have to bring in the armored vehicles,and gas grenade the area and remove Mrs Gibbon Asap.

This has already become an international incident and the concerned are watching intently as to what actions are being taken to protect British citizen Gibbons.

Posted by: Mackie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:47 AM

This is the kind of incident -- with one potential victim, and that victim in this case a 54-year-old schoolteacher who, newly arrived in Sudan, and naive as so many about Islam, meets with the primitive nature of Islam.

For we can all recognize, instantly grasp, the teacher's innocence, just as we could all see the innocence of those Bulgarian nurses held for eight years by the Libyans, raped and tortured and threatened repeatedly with execution. And we know the story, of how she allowed her little seven-year-old charges to vote on the name they wanted to give the little teddy bear, little seven-year-old Muslim children not yet sufficiently brainwashed into every element of Islam, just the way some of the younger children, the American soldiers in Iraq have found, are still....still touchingly sweet, human, recognizable in their behavior, even genuinely friendly and grateful. But just give those children a little time, a little more socializing into Islam, a few more years learning from their elders, and soon enough learn to be otherwisee, learn to be shifty meretricious, hostile to those American soldiers handing them candy, soccer balls, whatever else those American soldiers, Thidwicks on the Tigris, are in the business of handing out.

The innocence of this lady was also the innocence of Daniel Pearl, who though he had written about Muslims, had grown up in a family with a mother who recalled, a bit too nostalgically, stories about her life in Baghdad as a Jew (which she had left as a small child, and no doubt the stories were those of her parents, who remembered only the good, at the very time when, because of the British and the aftermath of the British presence, Jews in Baghdad had temporarily flourished or, later, at least been left alone -- until the "Farhud" of June 1-2, 1941, when hundreds were killed), and who was unschooled in Islam and too trusting. And then there was that young American boy, who grew up in a household with a father of the far left, who was sure everyone in the world was fine, save possibly American right-wing capitalists, and gave his son the same termnally naive worldview, which son, Michael Berg, flew up, on his own, mind you, to Iraq to "help" the "people of Iraq" in building up their country. And for his pains, he was decaptitated, to shouts of Allahu Akbar, on camera.

The schoolteacher in Khartoum, who taught not in a primitive village, but in a school for the children of Western diplomats and of the Sudanese elite -- akin to the American School in Kuwait City and other such schools, especially Christian-run schools, all over the Muslim world that the Muslim elite of course is eager to send its children too, recognizing that only the schools run, say, by Jesuits in Baghdad, or nuns in Pakistan, are likely to provide an education far superior to any offered by a Muslim-run school (that eagernesss to have one's own children attend schools run by Americans or Europeans, often Catholic schools, and then to attend university in the West, does not translate into any recognition that something must be wrong with Islam and societies suffused with Islam -- and only the denial of such possiblities will force Muslims to begin to think in those terms, as they should, as we must create the conditions that will force them to do so).

The poor lady is no doubt very upset. But the case, from the viewpoint of Infidels, and the close-up look at the behavior of those screaming crowds calling for her death -- that is good, that is usefl, that is the kind of thing Western television, which does not know how to cover something unseen -- the texts and tenets of Islam -- will be sure to cover.

Very welcome.

The Teddy Bear Incident.

It's like "Perdicaris Alive or Raisuli Dead." There is an individual life at stake -- the life of someone with whom all of us can identify, and whom none of us can fault. We might, any one of us, in the West, have asked our seven-year-old charges to "name that bear." We might, sweetly, have thought -- "Muhammad is the name of three-quarters of the kids in the class, so why not let them name the bear Muhammad."

We might. Once. But not now. Now we hear the screams for death and won't forget them. We know that the ludicrous government of an absurd place called the Sudan has tried and sentenced this lady. We are no longer in the mood, as we might have been, to take such places seriously. Or at least, to treat them with any respect. Why should we?

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:50 AM

Don't these people work? No wonder Islamic countries are all failures.

Posted by: awake at November 30, 2007 8:35 AM

Looks like protesting IS their work. If that's the case then we've been wrong in calling this bunch lazy. They are by far the hardest workers in the world!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:53 AM

"Good natured" homocidal maniacs in the street, says Adam Mynott of the Beeb? Mynutts'!?!!

Posted by: John C [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 8:57 AM

Am Mynutts'?! Or is he?!??

Posted by: John C [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:00 AM

Anyone seen the movie "28 days later" about a "rage" virus? In the end the only only way to exterminate it is to seal off the infected zones and flatten anything that moves.

A horrible thought just crossed my mind.

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Posted by: Infidel419 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:01 AM

What can you say that hasn't already been said?

There are a limited few who actually understand what our enemy has in store for us. Most won't even read this headline, and if they do, it won't effect them at all.

Islam = Insane

Islam cannot be called a "religion of peace" until the religion experiences a REFORMATION!

Islam is unwilling to reform, so there is only one option for them in my book and it would be a fool proof solution.

Maybe someone needs to infiltrate Islam, the way Kastrioti Skanderbeg did back in the day.

Posted by: An_Arbreshe [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:03 AM

Mackie,

Just how many Westerners living on the Nile ARE there? Or they in the Blue Nile on in the White Nile?

Posted by: John C [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:08 AM

Mackie,

This is serious--how are our governments going to get all those Westerners down in The Nile, where Blue Denial meets White Denial, out of there?

Posted by: John C [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:15 AM

Chilling foresight in this exchange between Parker, Ripley and the robot 'Ash' in the movie "Alien":-


Parker: What about our lives, you son of a bitch?
Ash: I repeat, all other priorities rescinded.
Ripley: How do we kill it?
Ash: You can't.
Parker: Bullshit!
Ash: You still don't know what you're dealing with do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.
Lambert: You admire it.
Ash: I admire its purity, its sense of survival; unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.
Parker: I've heard enough and I'm asking you to pull the plug.
Ash: One more word. I can't speak for your chances, but... you have my sympathies


This bit describes islam in a nutshell:-

"unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality. "

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Posted by: Infidel419 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:17 AM

Damn good thing it wasn't a cuddly little stuffed pig!

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:18 AM

John C.

Good one.

Posted by: Mackie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:23 AM

Khartoum, capital of Sudan--where Blue Denial meets White Denial over a teddy named Mohammed.

Posted by: John C [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:28 AM

From the ThisisLondon link above -

"I don't want the verdict to lead to any anti feeling towards Muslims. Everyone has been very nice, but one of my fears, and I imagine my mother's also, will be that this results in any sort of resentment towards Muslim people."

- Ms Gibbons' son

They are worried that this might cause anti-muslim feelings. After all that is happening. Calling for her death still does not make them want anyone to feel anti-muslim. Moonbats. Idiots. I'm sure she'll be happy to convert and go right back and take her kids with her.

Posted by: Borg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:31 AM

John C.

But with all do respect,we should all have a very serious concern about this event. This behavior by fundamental Muslims plays out somewhere on planet earth every day of the year. From any form of perceived blasphemy towards the Prophet Mohammed,from critical,writings,cartoons,handling of quran,Etc.

I'd like to hear from Muslims like Naseen on this.

Posted by: Mackie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:33 AM

Look at the photo of the 'peaceful good-natured' protestors.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23423885-details/Thousands%20of%20Islamic%20fanatics%20wielding%20knives%20demand%20jailed%20teddy%20bear%20teacher%20is%20executed/article.do?expand=true#StartComments

Posted by: Borg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:38 AM

There's a problem?

You've got a teddy bear.

You call it Muhammed.

You get killed.

Come on now, you Islamophobes, how low can you people stoop? I mean, really.

Posted by: ewha1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:45 AM

Every article I have seen on this has at least a few muslims getting in their dawa. A paragraph about how this has nothing to do with islam which is peace and love and tolerance.

Not one commentor challenges them.

Posted by: Borg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:48 AM

Two postings on the thread here repay careful attention.

The first is that by "dafferd" reporting on the difference between the BBC report on the demonstration calling for the execution of Gillian Gibbons, for the crime of allowing her seven-year-old charges to choose the name of the class's teddy bear, and the report on Sky News, by someone actually at the murderous demonstration. Here is how "daffersd" put it at 8:38 a.m.:

"On Sky News Kay Burley was talking to an independent reporter (Rob Crilly) in Khartoum who said that the demonstration was quite ugly and that people had gestured to him by making slitting throat actions across their necks. He said he had to leave the area. He also mentioned that the Sufi sect of Islam were the ones runing the protest (their flags were seen)...Then switch to BBC 1 news. Adam Mynott claimed that the demonstrations were small in number and "good natured".


The second is that by "Borg" at 9:38 a.m., in which a useful link is given to "This is London" , giving a link to an article in "this is London" which includes pictures of what the BBC described as a small and "good-natured" group of demonstrators. Imagine yourself sitting in a Sudanese jail, and from your small window you can see those "good-natured" demonstrators, wielding their swords and calling good-naturedlyfor you to be good-naturedly decapitated.

"Good-natured." Lots of joshing in the crowd, out for a good time. What a relief.


The

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 9:56 AM

What really boggles my mind is that this is just the latest insanity from The Religion of Hate and the MSM / PC / Multiculturalist / Useful Idiot crowd still doesn't show much sign of calling it like it is. Wether it's riots over a cartoon, an imaginary Koran "desacration", the naming of a teddy bear, Islam shows it's true hatefilled face to the world over and over and these fools continue on serenely pushing their bullshit (sorry, but it's the only word I feel fits) while the influence of the Islamic mental cancer grows unchecked.

The only good thing I see is that more and more people are starting to wise up. A couple of my co-workers whom I've talked to about the rise of radical Islam have told me they are are starting to see what I've been talking about. As Islam contunes it's hate mongering, it's going to be harder and harder for the useful idiots and apologists to keep pulling the wool over people's eyes.

Posted by: Proud Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:01 AM

This is a comment at the link given by Borg

Regret to say that the case should be reconsidered according to Islamic teaching, which is love, peace, tolerance and brotherhood. Teacher is like mother/father.
I thing it is an innocent mistake/misunderstanding, every Mohammad is not considered to be Mohammad the Prophet. It is just indication of Muslim faith. There are millions of Mohammads around us. We should avoid the hue and cry on these issues, request the Sudan authorities to recondider this issue in broader sense.
The teaching profession is very respectable, she seems innocent, keeping in view her vast experience in this profession, she did not deliberately want to cause offence.

- Mohammad Amjad, Pakistan

I have noticed this too on every incident involving Islam recently, the same sort of peace and love comment, which is rather Tariq Ramadan before he realised that people were not fooled by his lies any more.

But I do happen to think that most people do not respond because they think its rubbish anyway, or maybe I am being hopeful, perhaps its because if you do reply, your post does not get posted...

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:06 AM

Since this most recent islamic atrocity won't get much news coverage, many people will never hear about it. Almost every week someone asks me what "Defeat Jihad" means, referring to my bumper sticker. When I try to explain in a few words, they're even more perplexed and confused, truly oblivious to the concept of an islamic threat. Most of them look at me like I'm a recent escapee from a mental institution.

Unfortunately, the many shocking stories we read on JihadWatch are not mentioned on Fox News, CNN, or any mainstream media outlet and the general public hasn't a clue of the insanity that permeates the islamic world. It may be hard to believe, but not everyone uses the internet and many of those who do are not interested in reading about politics, jihad, islam, or any other "boring" subject. But I guess there will always be people who just don't recognize serious threats until they become personal. If the news media would simply do its job of informing the public, we wouldn't have this widespread ignorance.

Posted by: Susanp [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:08 AM

I thought the title read "Shoot Sudanese, says UK teddy bear"

Posted by: ewha1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:12 AM

The time has come to put an end to all this! If naming a freaking teddy bear "mohammad" is an insult to the cult of islam, then I'm naming my entire collection of pigs "mo". If cult members feel this is an insult - too freaking bad! I'm sick of the cults cr*p and daily rioting over stuff that a normal rational person would laugh at. "Mo" was a freaking pervert and this cult he formed is just a bunch of brain washed perverts themselves. I've had it with them!!

Hugh - delete this if you must, but I had to get this off my chest.

Posted by: CelticCoyote [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:15 AM

And 138 Muslim scholars want to talk to the major Christian leaders? Give me a break!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:17 AM

Whatever became of that teddy bear anyway? Was it beheaded?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:22 AM

Refresh that link that Borg just gave us if you went on there before, note that the picture of the sword wielding Islamics has been removed.

That says everything about the media in the UK.

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:23 AM

I discussed this teddy bear issue with a 21 year old co-worker this morning. She seems to be more worried about the Christian extremists in the US than about a woman who "should have followed the rules" of another country. She deserves what she gets, NO sympathy whatsoever. She became quite angry that I would even suggest to "judge" people of the worlds biggest religion. (Her words)She wouldn't believe me when I told her that I thought christianity was the worlds biggest religion.

This young woman kept trying to change the subject, to why there are so many christians that oppress women worse than islam does. When I asked for clarification or proof as to where this is all happening, of course, she couldn't come up with anything.

I'm beginning to wonder what they teach students here at UNC Chapel Hill. They certainly don't turn out like Robert Spencer anymore!

Posted by: tblab [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:24 AM

Daffersd,

The Sun has some actual pics of those nice devout Muslims in Sudan:


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article527471.ece

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Posted by: Infidel419 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:35 AM

Infidel419, it is the second one in the Suns report that was removed on the other website the one titled "Armed ... protestor with machete"

It was likely to cause racial hatred at a guess, or the editor thought that it could be used to accuse his paper of spreading racial hatred...


Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:46 AM

Mackie,

You know how I feel. I'll be damned if I'll be another dhimmy like HRH Charles or Jimmy Peace-Not-Apartheid. I know you feel that way, too.

Posted by: John C [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:54 AM

Now the pictures back, well the editor must have thought that he would be OK as other newspapers had published it.

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:57 AM

"After the verdict Sudan’s ambassador Omer Siddig was grilled in a 45-minute showdown with the Foreign Secretary."


what really happened was omer siddig was was in the karzi and miliband the foreign secretary's job was to pass him toilet paper whilst omer would lecture miliband on sharia law.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 10:59 AM

These guys get in such a huff over the most trivial things, I bet they'd love my friends new rock band.

http://www.chronosreport.com/rockband.jpg

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 11:13 AM

In BBC story, pullquote says:-

"What we have here is a case of cultural misunderstandings"
-- Ali Alhadithi
Federation of Student Islamic Societies

Indeed Ali, and seeing this islamic lunacy in action, will hopefully help the dhimmis in this world to wake-up and understand what this mad culture really means.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7121025.stm

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Posted by: Infidel419 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 11:24 AM

They should shoot the Bear! These Teddy-Bears are Evil, I tell you! Evil!

Posted by: rookie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 11:41 AM

Yes, rookie, it's the Bear's fault. Surely a Western Imperialist plot to corrupt the young. Why, this tool of the Infidels is named after the father of American Imperialism himself, Teddy Roosevelt! Truly, an evil conspiracy.

Posted by: John C [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 11:51 AM

Is it really all that unbelievable that some Britons aren't all that concerned with the mobs in Sudan calling for the head of the teacher? After all Great Britain is the land of the soccer hoodlum. The mob in Sudan is rather sedate considering they aren't drunk. But wait. Why is there still sympathy for a group that sees offense/injustice around every corner? Hmmm.... If memory serves, the Brits came down on the hoodlums, but why not a genocidal, unjust government/religion-cult? It's way past time to stop living in fear of what muslims might do if you piss them off, and time to do what is right. With luck Brown will be a one hit wonder and GB will put a party in power whose PM will have some major brass cajones. Is Thatcher still available? Seems she was the last PM with chutzpah.(hope I'm using the right term) Now we just need to be sure not to elect an apologist as president.

Posted by: Kevin [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 11:54 AM

I saw a report on this on Fox News. Worshippers whipped up by Friday sermons spilled out of the mosques onto the streets of Khartoum chanting "By soul, by blood, I will fight for the Prophet Mohammed", who apparently needs his followers to protect him from the "blasphemy" of small schoolchildren and their cuddly stuffed animals.

The unfortunate Mrs. Gibbons has been moved from the prison in Khartoum where she was serving out her unjust sentence for a location that, one hopes, is safe at least from the rampaging mobs.

Insanity all around. I just hope Mrs. Gibbons will find herself safely out of Sudan soon.

Posted by: gravenimage [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 11:55 AM

What about the teddy bear itself? Will it, too, incur people's wrath for daring to assume the great prophet's name?

What are they gonna do, chop its head off?

Posted by: RoobartSbunsar [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 11:56 AM

Just another after Friday mosque sermon getogether. Nothing to see folks.

Posted by: Elric66 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 12:04 PM

Greetings:

Time for a couple of dozen B-52s filled with teddy bears with Mohammed printed across their chests to unload over beautiful downtown Khartoum.

In the This is London link, who figured out that the teacher's daughter looked distraught (in front of her Bob Marley smoking dope poster)?

Posted by: 11B40 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 12:14 PM

Watching left-leaning West-bashers of my acquaintance I've found that NOTHING disturbs their complacent world-view as much as these grotesque rage-fests over cartoons or teddy bears.

From Moliere till now there is nothing more comic and ridiculous than someone who doesn't have an INKLING how ridiculous they are. I firmly believe in humor against our enemies. The more they rage the more we laugh till they all fall dead of apoplexy like Stalin did.

Posted by: poetcomic1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 12:15 PM

I have seen a post or two wondering if the Sudanese will move Ms. Gibbons. Don't count on it. In fact don't be surprised if she dies in prison. I do not find it improbable that some "accident" will happen to please the blood thirsty PIGS in that poor excuse of a country. I pray she will be able to return to England, but not holding my breath. The world's inability to act on Sudan's act of genocide will have emboldened the government and it's pig farmers(imams). And unfortunately Britain lacks the military capability to threaten Sudan into releasing Ms. Gibbons for her own safety. Should she return to England it will either be a miracle or I have completely misread the Sudanese government. Leaning towards miracle of Jesus proportion.

Posted by: Kevin [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 12:34 PM

Kevin,

The Brits wouldnt stand up for their soldiers when kidnapped in international waters, I wouldnt expect them to lift a finger for this poor woman.

Posted by: Elric66 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 12:36 PM

I assume that all teachers across Western countries are quite on this issue.

Remember when we use to study and monitor current events?

I would love to see the teachers try and explain this one in class.

I do know that several Christian schools are talking about it and monitoring it for discussion amongst students.

Posted by: alaskan1000 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 12:47 PM

I doubt that the British military has the logistical capability of mounting a short-notice raid on anything in the Sudan. Could the RAF tansport a team to Khartoum, then hang about until the mission is completed to extract them? Could the SAS deploy a team to the Sudan on 24 hrs notice?

Posted by: MP [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 1:12 PM

MP-
"I doubt that the British military has the logistical capability of mounting a short-notice raid on anything in the Sudan."

I doubt that the British military has the logistical capability of mounting a short-notice raid on Brixton.

Posted by: poetcomic1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 1:22 PM

To susanp:

On Wednesday evening's FOX news with Shepard Smith, the first story was about the schoolteacher in Sudan, and the second story was about the rape victim in Saudi Arabia who was sentenced to a lashing (100 or 200 stripes?) and prison.

Good for Fox News!

As for the Brits, if I ran that circus I'd say "if a hair on her head is harmed, you will not only not receive a penny in aide from us, but your head will no longer have a hair on it".

Churchill said of Arabs (and I suppose that could apply to the Sudanese as well): "they are either at your throat or at your feet".

Posted by: NavyMom [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 1:24 PM

"Hundreds of riot police were deployed but they did not break up the demonstration.
Why not"?


Sudan must be using French cops these days.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 1:25 PM

"I do know that several Christian schools are talking about it and monitoring it for discussion amongst students."


That should be fun. Hard to explain that other than what it is.

Posted by: Elric66 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 1:27 PM

I'm surprized no one has told Robert & Hugh why the bbc are playing this down ,their drama spooks (shown 27th November ) http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/spooks/series6_ep7.shtml
was a islamic love fest ,armed anti-jihadists taking over a tv studio !

Posted by: TrueBrit [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 1:49 PM

When asked by a reporter whether he still considered islam a religion of peace after witnessing menacing crowds of Sudanese muslims gathering to demand the execution of a teacher for the innocent act of permitting her students to name a teddy bear mohammad, mr. bush said, "Heck yes. Look, the simple fact is that if that teacher hadn't dissed islam by letting her students name that bear after their holy prophet, mohammad, there wouldn't be these menacing muslims wielding swords & demanding her beheading."

Posted by: sheik yer booty [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 1:52 PM

Navy Mom:

Shepard Smith of Fox also did a story on the French muslim youth riots 3 evenings ago. He was interviewing an apologist for the thugs who blamed the situation on 'lack of education and job opportunities for foreigners as well as discrimination.'

Well, ol' Shep let him have it with, "when I'm down about something, I don't go out and bash in cars." I'm paraphrasing, but no other station got around to the facts on this case.

I suppose these "youts," after all their hard work in the streets, will still not be able to enhance their resumes with anything constructive.

Posted by: CapitalistGig [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 2:40 PM

And here's my response to a moral equivalence post by Swerdna on the BBC's Have Your say, which I posted a few minutes ago:

Swerdna says "Not too sure how all of this rests with those who say that Islam is a peaceful tolerant religion. It seems to be on par with the medieval Spanish Inquisition Christian idea of peace and tolerance."

The Spanish Inquisition killed 32,000 in 350 years. Already, 400,000 Sudanese have been murdered by the Janjaweed in cahoots with the Sudanese Government in a handful of years, and millions more innocents murdered by Islamic autocrats and terrorists over the last 30 years alone.

Needless to say, I don't expect it to appear on those boards.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 3:18 PM

I suppose these "youts," after all their hard work in the streets, will still not be able to enhance their resumes with anything constructive.
Posted by: CapitalistGig

I would think that the French "youts" should be commended as capitalists. They are creating a need. The government will need extra personnel to clean up the destruction. And now they will be able to fill that need. Brilliant. These aren't riots, it's job opportunities.

Posted by: Kevin [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 3:28 PM

Spirit Of 1683

32,000 in 350 years

Sverdna is wrong. Where did she get that figure?

The most recent research led by such world renowned scholars as for example Henry Kamen suggests that the total number of victims was around 3000. But he is not the only one who completely knocks off the fantastic stories about the Inquisition and explains the historical and sectarian background that gave raise to these grotesque distorted accounts.

Please read; The Spanish Inquisition A Historical Revision by Henry Kamen, which the New York Times Book Review selects for Notable Book in 1999.

The New York Times, you must admit, is not exactly a site where one would expect to find sympathy for anything catholic. And Henry Kamen is Jewish.

Posted by: thomas. h [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 4:09 PM

Posted by: awake:

Don't these people work? No wonder Islamic countries are all failures.

Silly infidel, work is for dhimmies.

Posted by: RalphInfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 4:44 PM

The teddy has been pulled from Ebay! I wonder where the complaint came feom? any guesses?

"Kuffirs of the world, Unite!"
"Islam, abusing women since 622AD"

Posted by: OregonJake [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 5:51 PM

The BBC has now revised the wording of that article, presumably to downplay the calls for her execution.

Original version:

Thousands of people have marched in the Sudanese capital Khartoum to call for UK teacher Gillian Gibbons to be shot.

Revised version:

Crowds of people have marched in Sudan's capital Khartoum to call for a tougher sentence for a British teacher imprisoned for insulting religion... Some reports said protesters had called for her to be shot.
Posted by: Null [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2007 6:18 PM

Thanks for that link, Infidel419.

"TEACHER Gillian Gibbons received a touching message of support yesterday – from a little girl who calls her teddy bear Mohamed. Ten-year-old Georgia Leyland bought her bear in Harrods and named it after the famous store’s boss, Mohamed Fayed, 74. But when Georgia heard of Gillian’s plight she grabbed her dad and asked: “Please Daddy, will they lock me up as well?” Parents Mick and Neema, of Wrexham, north Wales, told her she could call the bear what she liked. Sales manager Mick, 42, said: “She’s just a little girl and she doesn’t understand. “But it’s hard to know what to say because none of us can understand why this poor woman is going to go on trial.""

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article527471.ece

"Terrified mum-of-two Gillian, 54, was spared an alternative sentence of 40 lashes of the whip but caged in an overcrowded hellhole jail in the Sudanese capital Khartoum for inciting hatred. Up to 30 women and their kids share each cell at the squalid mosquito-infested Omdurman prison where cell temperatures hit a scorching 120°F. The jail was originally designed for 50 women, but now houses up to 1,000 and 400 kids. Brutal wardens have been known to whip inmates with hoses and up to six children a month die of malnutrition. Gillian was said to be “stunned” by the sentence and her family in Liverpool were “very upset” last night."
Posted by: Khaybar Oasis [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 1, 2007 5:34 AM

The Sun quote in my previous post appears to be incorrect in stating that Gibbons was being held in one of Sudan's horrible prisons.

This next quote, from the TelegraphTelegraph, sounds more credible:

"Mrs Gibbons, who is being held in a government-owned house in the capital, Khartoum, with access to her own room and bathroom, spent more than an hour yesterday talking to the British peers. "I don't think they took her to prison because they did not want her to come away with an even worse opinion of Sudan," a member of her legal team said."


Posted by: Khaybar Oasis [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 1, 2007 5:22 PM

But the BBC stated khartoum the demo was "good natured"?

the same BBC mind you who tipped off the argies that the battle of goose green was taking place. when in fact the battle hadn't even started and the british were still secretly advancing on argie positions, resulting in many british deaths.

Well not as many as the BBC would have hoped for.


Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 2, 2007 12:40 AM

Khaybar Oasis

get ready for her release, tons of praise for the muslim delegation who "freed" her. tons of praise for the muslim community in the UK and tons of smiles from gordon brown with a photo op from the muslim delegation and the "teacher" and her ugly mug shot.

great jolly good show from the british muslims who love cricket and eat fish and chips and allah akhbar and all that what what. british love islam and anyone who disagrees needs to be shot, we are of course a democracy and the only thing not british is the wiley python. crawls up your trouser leg, what what. can't be dealing with the wiley python but islam, my lad, is good for the spirit, what what, you a public school boy?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 2, 2007 12:46 AM

I didn't notice my posting on the BBC's Have Your Say, nor do I expect the following posting to get put up either:

Added: Sunday, 2 December, 2007, 12:42 GMT

This episode should be a salutary reminder of why we in the cosseted West owe a debt of gratitude to men like Charles Martel, who defeated the Moors at Tours and Poitiers in 732. Had Martel lost, the whole of the West would have been Islamised, with universal Sharia law, and no different from Sudan, therefore the Renaissance and the Western inventions of the last 600 years, which have enriched our lives, would never have been seen.

Too politically incorrect, I guess.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 2, 2007 7:50 AM

And something else I put up, which again, I hardly think will get through the moderators:

Mark of Derby says "I wonder if the prophet Mohammed would have been more outraged by having a teddy named after him in Sudan or systematic rape and genocide? Now that's an intellectual challenge to set before these courts."

Er, don't you know that Mohammed was a rapist and genocidal maniac? He had killed those who dared contradict him, took a six year old wife when he was already over 50 years old, and had 900 men and boys of the Jewish Ban Qurayza tribe beheaded in 628 AD.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 2, 2007 8:07 AM

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