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This is the kind of incident that has one potential victim, but many potential repercussions. That victim in this case is a 54-year-old schoolteacher who, newly arrived in Sudan and naive as so many are about Islam, meets with the primitive nature of Islam.
For we can all recognize and instantly grasp, the teacher's innocence, just as we could all see the innocence of those Bulgarian nurses held for eight years by the Libyans, raped and tortured and threatened repeatedly with execution. And we know the story, of how she allowed her little seven-year-old charges to vote on the name they wanted to give the little teddy bear, little seven-year-old Muslim children not yet sufficiently brainwashed into every element of Islam, just the way some of the younger children, the American soldiers in Iraq have found, are still....still touchingly sweet, human, recognizable in their behavior, even genuinely friendly and grateful.
But just give those children a little time, a little more socializing into Islam, a few more years learning from their elders, and soon enough they will learn to be otherwise. They will learn to be like their elders are now, shifty, meretricious, hostile to those American soldiers handing them candy, soccer balls, whatever else those American soldiers, Thidwicks on the Tigris, are in the business of handing out.
The innocence of this lady was also the innocence of Daniel Pearl, who was ignorant of Islam and Muslims though he had written about Muslims, and had grown up in a family with a mother who recalled, a bit too nostalgically, stories about her life in Baghdad as a Jew. (She left Baghdad as a small child, and no doubt the stories were those of her parents, who remembered only the good, at the very time when, because of the British and the aftermath of the British presence, Jews in Baghdad had temporarily flourished or, later, had at least been left alone -- until the "Farhud" of June 1-2, 1941, when hundreds were killed.) Pearl was unschooled in Islam and too trusting. And then there was that young American boy, who grew up in a household with a father, Michael Berg, who was sure everyone in the world was fine, save possibly American right-wing capitalists, and gave his son the same terminally naive worldview. That son, Nicholas Berg, flew up, on his own, mind you, to Iraq to "help" the "people of Iraq" in building up their country. And for his pains, he was decapitated, to shouts of Allahu Akbar, on camera.
The schoolteacher in Khartoum taught not in a primitive village, but in a school for the children of Western diplomats and of the Sudanese elite -- akin to the American School in Kuwait City and other such schools, especially Christian-run schools, all over the Muslim world. The Muslim elite of course is eager to send its children to such schools, recognizing that schools run, say, by Jesuits in Baghdad, or nuns in Pakistan, are likely to provide an education far superior to any offered by a Muslim-run school. That eagerness to have one's own children attend schools run by Americans or Europeans, often Catholic schools, and then to attend university in the West, does not translate into any recognition that something must be wrong with Islam and societies suffused with Islam -- and only the denial of such possibilities will force Muslims to begin to think in those terms, as they should, as we must create the conditions that will force them to do so.
The poor lady is no doubt very upset. But the case, from the viewpoint of Infidels, and the close-up look at the behavior of those screaming crowds calling for her death -- that is good, that is useful. That is the kind of thing Western television, which does not know how to cover something unseen -- the texts and tenets of Islam -- will be sure to cover.
Very welcome.
The Teddy Bear Incident.
It's like "Perdicaris Alive or Raisuli Dead." There is an individual life at stake -- the life of someone with whom all of us can identify, and whom none of us can fault. We might, any one of us, in the West, have asked our seven-year-old charges to "name that bear." We might, sweetly, have thought -- "Muhammad is the name of three-quarters of the kids in the class, so why not let them name the bear Muhammad?"
We might. Once. But not now. Now we hear the screams for death and won't forget them. We know that the ludicrous government of an absurd place called the Sudan has tried and sentenced this lady. We are no longer in the mood, as we might have been, to take such places seriously. Or at least, to treat them with any respect. Why should we?
Posted by Hugh at November 30, 2007 5:35 PM
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Nothing to see here anymore people, move along. The Mo Bear has been pulled from Ebay as of 2:50PM Pacific time. I emailed Ebay and asked why, no respones. And I wonder who complained.....Mr Fibrahim Hooper, perhaps?
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at November 30, 2007 5:55 PM
Muhammad the Bear's last words:
"Only YOU can prevent faux righteousness."
Posted by: freedomschool at November 30, 2007 6:00 PM
Greetings:
An interesting and applicable analysis of how all these "Muslim rage" episodes inter-relate is at this link:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=33ADCAA3-1E36-4665-881D-8E6C4F6C8D7B
In the spirit of Sean Connery's discussion with Kevin Costner in "The Untouchables," we should be sending a couple of dozen B-52s loaded with teddy bears with Mohammed printed on their chests for a run over downtown Khartoum.
You disrespect us, we disrespect you bigtime.
Posted by: 11B40 at November 30, 2007 6:25 PM
Glad to see Hugh's comment became a thread. Very satisfying.
Posted by: justamomof4 at November 30, 2007 6:26 PM
In a previous article about the mo bear, someone asked:
"I don't know about the rest of you but those folks in the pictures look to be black and not Arab. I thought the blacks were the ones being persecuted by the Arab Sudanese government"
Obviously, they ARE racially Black. But they insist they are Arabs, claiming that their homeland is Arabia. And in fact, these people have outright contempt for those they consider "Black."
I noticed this in an episode of a Black American who traveled in the African continent. He's interviewing an obviously black man talking about the Africans. ANd the Black American, looks at the man, & is very careful to look serious, asks, "And where do your people come from, aren't you from here?" ANd the man empahtically denies it, (pointing north across the water, towards the Arabian peninsula.) - saying "No! I'm from Arabia, I'm not one of these ignorant black people." -
So there you have it,straight from the islamic's mouth.
Posted by: allat at November 30, 2007 6:27 PM
I fail to understand why people are so intimidated by al-Bashir's tough talk. He knows full well that he wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it if, say, Britain were to send a fighter plane--or two--or a hundred--and dropped a few bombs here & there.
Time to send a message to this thug.
Posted by: RoobartSbunsar at November 30, 2007 6:36 PM
And the moonbattedness on the BBC's Have Your Say board on this topic gets even worse:
Added: Friday, 30 November, 2007, 23:02 GMT 23:02 UK
Thank you to Qaiser Malik (N.York) who described Mohammed so nicely to us. Mohammed sounded a nice man very similar to Jesus. Mohammed was a man who cared for women as he went to an elderly woman's house to check she was well, he cared for her and cleaned her house. How nice. I just don't understand why some Muslims cannot follow in the teachings of Mohammed. Why are women second class citizens in your culture when Mohammed regarded an elderly woman above himself when he cared for her?
Caroline, England
Recommended by 4 people
This is ignorance at its worst, but unfortunately, this is how 90% of Westerners perceive Mohammed. They're so uneducated. They don't know about the 78 battles he fought in during the last nine years of his life, the raping, pillaging and beheadings, like the beheadings of up to 900 men of the Jewish Ban Qurayza tribe on his orders, and that saying No to him meant almost certain death. Or his six year old wife, etc, etc.
at November 30, 2007 6:43 PM
And here's more mind-blowing moral equivalence from that same board:
Yes but Christians done go berserk burning things down or blowing things up.
Alan Davis
Yes they do. just think of the doctors in the US executed by whacko Christians for performing abortions. I'm as appalled as anyone by this ludicrous business in the Sudan, but let's not go kidding ourselves that Christianity is all about reason and enlightenment. Organised religion is silly and irrational and serves only to delude and divide. We'll all be better off when we as a species outgrow it.
David carey, London, United Kingdom
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Carey the clueless, telling us that a few cranks murdering half a dozen doctors is just as bad as fully tooled-up Janjaweed and Sudanese forces murdering 400,000 Darfurians, and using it to trash Christianity. And look how many people recommended this puerile offering.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at November 30, 2007 7:00 PM
Yea Gods! I had forgotten about those poor Bulgarian nurses, and I had no idea they were in jail for eight years! Where was the US during all of this? Or where was Russia, traditional patron of the Bulgars?
Assuming she gets off lightly, that schoolteacher is getting off lightly for the crime of WWI (working while infidel).
Posted by: sceptico at November 30, 2007 7:08 PM
A very fascinating and peaceful situation...
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
give a pig a prophet's name
glorify the godly swine
and thank him for his bacon
.
at November 30, 2007 7:22 PM
"That is the kind of thing Western television, which does not know how to cover something unseen -- the texts and tenets of Islam -- will be sure to cover."
Just watched O'Reilly on FNC do a great 8-10 piece on the Teddy Bear Incident. As the video tape is showing hundreds of machete wielding Sudanese calling for death of the schoolteacher the muslim representative tries to claim that the protesters do not really show the peacefulness of Islam. Brigette Gabriel asks where are all the muslim protesters against the Sudan government, why no outrage and indignation against these muslims who are perverting the image of Islam.
Posted by: USorThem at November 30, 2007 8:36 PM
OT. I left a message on this site yesterday, and today got an email that said that a mailing of mine could not be delivered. I had not mailed anything to anyone, in relation to my comment. So... I'm leaving this message now to see if the phenomenon occurs again.
Posted by: StillBreathing at November 30, 2007 8:47 PM
USorThem,
I caught that, too.
The AMC rep lied in claiming there are 7 million Muslims in America (2.35 million according to last spring's PEW study of Muslims in America) and in claiming that all of them are opposed to violence and what's happening in Sudan.
All of those Muslims who've been caught in this country funneling money to 'the brothers' in the ME and planning terrorist attacks right here at home aside, the PEW report indicates that approximately 11,000 American Muslims (if memory serves me well) believe that suicide bombings are 'sometimes acceptable' in defense of Islam.
I can't say that Bill O's knowledge of Islam is anywhere close to stellar, but he and Brigitte Gabriel made a fool of him.
It's a start.
Posted by: PRCS at November 30, 2007 9:02 PM
just as we could all see the innocence of those Bulgarian nurses held for eight years by the Libyans, raped and tortured and threatened repeatedly with execution.
its long past time the Bulgarians sent a squadron of euroffigters and bombed to crap out of libia and told the mad leader that the campaign would cont inue until there citzens were returned unharmed and with a cash payment for there suffering at the hands of these 6th century babarains
at November 30, 2007 9:19 PM
Mr.Fitzgerald...eloquently written. Thanks for the continuing education.
Posted by: AmericanTiger at November 30, 2007 9:43 PM
USorThem,
I watched the O'Reilly segment too and what was interesting to me was that both O'Reilly and Bridgette Gabriel shot down the MAS guys attempt to play the "victim" card. Both O'Reilly and Gabriel pointed out the outrageousness of killing or jailing someone over a teddy bear along with the 9,000 attacks and hundreds of thousands killed by "extremist" Muslims since 9/11.While O'Reilly did use the word "extremist" he was not shy about calling them Muslims and drawing the connection with Islam. All the MAS guy could do was play the victim card claiming Muslims were being stereotyped by O'Reilly.The response by O'Reilly showed that patience is wearing thin with Islam and people are no longer buying the Muslim as Victim excuse everytime a Muslim commits an atrocity.If you missed O'Reilly the show will be repeated twice tonight and is well worth watching.Muslim fanatics are also the subject of O'Reilly's talking point.
Posted by: Roxane at November 30, 2007 9:50 PM
Hugh-
Michael Berg is the delusional dad.
Nick Berg was the young guy who naively thought that Iraq had been pacified enough to go over and start drumming up telecommunication tower contracts (his trade).
Is there a beheaded Teddy on ebay yet?
Posted by: profitsbeard at November 30, 2007 9:58 PM
allat:
Actually, if you look across the Arab world, there are a great number of ethnicities. If we take Saudi Arabians as the normative ethnic "Arab," it is quite clear that many "Arabs" possess quite different genetic backgrounds. This is very obvious in Libya, where there is a great confluence of different ethnicities that have mixed considerably. The mad Kadafi's pan-African leanings may be partly the result of him not feeling authentically Arab.
If you look at countries that are considered Arab, despite the fact that they are ethnically diverse, you have to conclude that the pseudo-ethnic classification of "Arab" is actually a linguistic category. Those who speak Arabic are considered Arabs.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 30, 2007 10:04 PM
I just got done watching the Hannity and Colmes coverage of this incident.
I believe one person, of four, mentioned 'Islamic Nation' once; ditto for the word 'Islam'.
No matter how dense these two 'big talkers' are; they must know this incident doesn't fit within the context of 'twisting a great religion'.
Surely the facade must be cracking before their very eyes.
That show, too, re-airs this evening (story is in the last 15 minutes of the show).
Posted by: PRCS at November 30, 2007 10:08 PM
Westerners must realize what is at the core of diseased societies and cultures. There will always be liberal do-gooders and those who are naively idealistic, but the worst transgression is when those who know better - the governments of virtually all Western countries - also act as if we are dealing with people who are ultimately reasonable. Our governments are not so different from the poor idealistic victims of Muslim aggression.
It is inexcusable that governments act like naive lambs ready for slaughter in our suicidal foreign and immigration policies. They actually know better, yet they continue to hope against hope or engage in bizarre misguided realpolitik. It is just crazy, since the Gulf States would obviously continue to sell us oil, even if we said we are no longer going to kiss your behinds. We can afford to get tough, because the Gulf State desire for money would trump all else. But we don't get tough.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 30, 2007 10:13 PM
Where is the CAIR press release on this issue or any of the myriad other examples of Islamic insanity across the world? Why is that CAIR is silent when it could speak out? Why does CAIR only speak out and call in the lawyers when someone acts - however mildly - in response to supposed affronts to Muslims, even if the affront is simply treating a Muslim the way everyone else would be treated?
CAIR and Co. are indeed "something-ist" against not just non-Muslims but Muslims themselves. They treat both non-Muslims and Muslims as a monolithic bloc, not as free individuals of equal worth.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 30, 2007 10:46 PM
"you have to conclude that the pseudo-ethnic classification of "Arab" is actually a linguistic category. Those who speak Arabic are considered Arabs."
Tou have to see how tragic this is. Since in Africa and areas conquered by the islamics.
I consider it tragic because the opposite is happening in Latin America, It is true that in the last century, we were desperate to be considered Spanish - no matter how dark we were. But the thing is no matter how much we tried, the Spaniard, still looks down on the people fr. the Americas( I hardly think that 5oo yrs. is time enough for the psyche of those people to change. And esp. when they slaughtered their own - in their Civil War - in fact, they abused even women. THis happened in Mexico also. Someone, I can't compare it to the American Civil War - for at least Americans were decent to their own, there is something to be said for xtianity, after all. Or at least, it was a basic adhereance to the law and justice of the U.S. Constitution.
But, there is something savage and bloodthirsty in any culture having DNA fr the Spaniards - descending so easily into shedding blood. (don't bother to bring to mind the Indian DNA of the Aztecs - they were only a small percentage of the Indigenous pop.- the Aztec/Mexica were hated and feared by their neighbors. As were the Mayans - and as were, the Incas- whose conquered territories were constantly rebelling).
Perhaps the bloodthirstiness of the Spaniard is due to not only Moorish DNA, but the pure example of this latter race (after 800 yrs.of observation of the islamic habits).
But what I am saying, is, the majority of Latinos, we, who are Mestizo, or Mulato, have now become aware of our Indigenous roots, and have turned to them, finallyp; and esp. as re. spiritually. In fact, Americans of Europ descent, are even turning to the Indigenous peoples, both of the U.S. and in Latin Amer. In fact, I find it curious and fascinating, to see this phenomena taking place in Germany.
at November 30, 2007 11:44 PM
For those who caught 'The O'Reilly Factor' this evening, here's a little info I found at the Americans Against Hate website about his Muslim guest:
...Eric Erfan Vickers, the former Executive Director of the American Muslim Council (AMC). Vickers resigned from his position at AMC, after he was exposed for calling the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster "an act of divine retribution against Israel."
Here's Congressman Nadler's letter of admonition to him, and the Vickers letter which resulted in Nadaler's ire:
http://www.house.gov/nadler/archive108/AMC_020503.htm
at December 1, 2007 12:35 AM
I just read a news report that said the lady involved in the teddy bear incident spoke with her son and she wanted to make SURE that he told EVERYONE not to blame the Muslims for what happened to her!
Naievete will be the death of us!!!
I cannot stand to listen to another "news analyst", "reporter", "government official", "talk show host", etc, etc say stuff about Islam that is completely ignorant. How can someone, like the President, for example, who has access to the most Intelligence data and information, be dumber about the MOST IMPORTANT topic of this era than little old me - an everyday citizen living in suburbia holding a 9-5 job??!?! I DON'T get it!!
It is willful igorance. It is unacceptable. I am still waiting to hear one Presidential candidate who will speak truthfully and knowledgeably about the biggest threat facing Western society today. Not a single one can or will.
Disgusting!!
Posted by: islamophobe at December 1, 2007 12:45 AM
StillBreathing, I received the same kind of e-mail, whith a link to Moveabletype where it said I could edit the comment. I don't have an account for that service. Anyway the comment was still posted.
Let's see what happens this time.
Posted by: Pelayo at December 1, 2007 12:46 AM
allat:
I don't know so much about Spanish Imperialism or about a lot of the issues you bring up, but it seems to me there is a kind of parallel. The Spanish certainly did a number on indigenous cultures that was a lot more suppressive and brutal than what the English or French did. It is hard to put a good spin on Imperialism, but the English were more benign than most European Imperialists. One might even argue that some English colonies, like India, are perhaps better off now having experienced English rule and law, and the unifying and (in this day and age) economically valuable effects of it, than they would have been otherwise.
The most successful of English colonies, the US, certainly did a lot to destroy indigenous cultures, yet it did not completely obliterate them. It absorbed them and, in many documentable ways, was changed by them. And, of course, there exists and has always existed in the US a fascination with native American cultures. This is not an excuse for bad things that were committed but simply an argument that what was was not wholesale destroyed but rather absorbed. And it was replaced by something not without great merit in and of itself.
However, the wave of cultural destruction that accompanies Islamic Imperialism seems to me to make even the Spaniards seem like pussycats. Islamic Imperialism has tended toward a complete obliteration of native culture, without any mixing. In Latin American countries, you see a mix of the Spanish and older indigenous. In countries colonized by Islam (every country that is Muslim), you see a complete obliteration of what was before. How much of Persian culture or the Zoroastrian culture remains in Iran? The heartland of Christianity was once the Middle East and Asia Minor. How much of that remains? Judaism evolved in modern-day Israel long before there were Muslims. Israel came into being recently on almost completely uninhabited land, and it has been under constant threat ever since. Even the old dhimmi contract is no longer a protection for the shrinking numbers of Christians (and almost zero number of Jews) in Muslim countries, who long ago had been denied their civil rights. How much of the older Hindu culture remains in Pakistan? Islam is so threatened by anything pre-Islamic that even in a solidly Islamic nation like Taliban-era Afghanistan, historical Buddhist statues have to be blown up.
The Arab/Islamic conquests resulted in a wholesale destruction and replacement of existing cultures with a new one. It is an Arab-centric ideology. All Muslims pray toward Mecca and must make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lives. It is far more geography-centric than the Catholic Church ever was, even in it's most Rome-centered heyday. Arabic is still the preferred language for reading and commentary on the Koran, while reading the bible in Latin, much less the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek of the Bible, is not considered that important except to scholars. Islam is inseparable from Arab Imperialism.
There is simply no form of Imperialism in history that has persisted for any length of time that has been as destructive to every culture it came into contact with as Islam. Islam is about total submission; in other words, total destruction.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at December 1, 2007 2:35 AM
@ StillBreathing and Pelayo
I left a comment on JihadWatch and got the same as both of you. That's three of us now.
Posted by: Ginro at December 1, 2007 3:03 AM
here's another ebay bear.
why dont we all create ebay mohammed bears?
flood ebay with these evil bears.
at December 1, 2007 4:39 AM
The stupidity of islam has given us a fantastic opportunity to ridicule it.
All we need to do is buy teddies of all sizes, put a label on them "Mohammed" and hang them up in public !!
Or maybe that line from the koran
"take not the teddy bears as friends, for they are friends of one another"
islam is its own worst enemy.
I believe you can buy Teddy bear badges and broaches.
Let the war for cuddley Teddy Bears begin !!!
Posted by: apostate_islam
at December 1, 2007 5:58 AM
Teddy Bears are the vilest of animals
Show mercy to one another but be ruthless to Teddy Bears
How perverse are the Teddy Bears
Strike of the heads of Teddy Bears as well as their paws.
Fight those Teddy Bears who are near you
Teddy Bear mischief-makers should be murdered or crucified.
Come on folks this is a great opportunity, start printing and handing out/posting in public.
Posted by: apostate_islam at December 1, 2007 6:07 AM
How about a teddy bear wearing an "I Will Not Submit" t-shirt? Or a shirt with a Ban islam logo, the crescent & star with a line through it?
A Rage Boy t-shirt!
The possibilities are endless.
at December 1, 2007 8:24 AM
OT. I left a message on this site yesterday, and today got an email that said that a mailing of mine could not be delivered. I had not mailed anything to anyone, in relation to my comment. So... I'm leaving this message now to see if the phenomenon occurs again.
Posted by: StillBreathing at November 30, 2007 8:47 PM
This is happening to me too. What the??? My recent JW posts are being sent to me saying that they can't be sent to some address called "in a basement down the stairs." Is that the same name for you too, stillbreathing? I'm very confused. What's going on???
I hope you see this and reply.
Posted by: darcy at December 1, 2007 8:55 AM
The informedless ladies/dhimmis of "The View" seem to think that Gibbons should have been a bit more sensitive about Islam and kept herself more informed before committing this act of "sacrilege"
"I think it’s like it’s sacrilegious to name a stuffed toy Muhammad."
And no, that wasn't from Rosie.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/justin-mccarthy/2007/11/30/view-co-hosts-blame-woman-persecuted-sudan
at December 1, 2007 9:08 AM
"The View" women are such ignorant airheads I have never wasted my time watching it.
Who made that stupid "sacrilegious" comment - Hasselbeck? My God, how uninformed can you get.
Posted by: darcy at December 1, 2007 9:12 AM
@ StillBreathing and Pelayo
I left a comment on JihadWatch and got the same as both of you. That's three of us now.
Posted by: Ginro at December 1, 2007 3:03 AM
Four. Me too. Anyone at JW know what's happening to us?
Posted by: darcy at December 1, 2007 9:16 AM
Update: I think this wierdness has stopped happening to me as I just visited my e-mail and my most recent JW/DW posts were NOT sent back to me saying they couldn't be delivered to "in a basement downstairs," some e-mail address I've never heard of.
Anyone know what was going on? Was. I hope.
Posted by: darcy at December 1, 2007 9:44 AM
hoorah! "british" muslims to the rescue!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7122790.stm
at December 1, 2007 11:15 AM
the bbc's slant on this is eddging on western "islamophobia" or could harm islamic relations in the uk, as if it's our fault that a teacher enraged muslims.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7122562.stm
"The imprisonment in Sudan of a British teacher for insulting Islam has led once again to images of angry Muslims splashed across the newspapers."
newspapers? but of course not the BBC, they never showed muslims brandishing swords in khartoum calling for her execution. no, the bbc praised the demonstration as being "good natured".
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 1, 2007 11:34 AM
leonthepigfarmer-
Who (outside of a Monty Python skit) ever thought there would be such as headline as in your link about a teacher being jailed for allowing her students to name a Teddy bear "Muhammad"?
Time for the British military bands to play that old droll tune "The World Turned Upside Down" anytime a Muslim visitor comes to the U.K. on "official" business.
Posted by: profitsbeard
at December 1, 2007 11:38 AM
yep, it's a topsy turvy world now. all logic, common sense and reason has been thrown out the window.
at December 1, 2007 11:44 AM
Please visit ebay and look under "other bears." The comments are hilarious (truly un-bearable)!
How will ebay stop these bear sales? A while back I was shopping for a koran on ebay and there were some incredibly offensive t-shits (pro-9/11 and Intifada, anti-Semetic) offered by one seller. How can this those things be acceptable yet a bear named Mo not be?
Posted by: CapitalistGig at December 1, 2007 12:23 PM
@ StillBreathing, Pelayo, Ginro, and darcy
Same thing happened to me. However I have already deleted mine. If you haven't already, check the timing of these emails and your posts. The brief look I gave them suggested the emails came long after the posts. Might also want to send the info to JW if you haven't already.
Posted by: Kevin at December 1, 2007 1:58 PM
Just a little reminder to all, also asking, "Where are the islamic Moderates, protesting for and defending the woman?"
A Religion's Reputation At Stake
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=281319472675670
I ask, what good are they, these so-called moderates? Of what help are they to us, in our resistance?
These islamic "moderates" are useless, USELESS. They might as well NOT exist.
at December 1, 2007 2:24 PM
darcy and others above -
I think the same thing happened to me.
I posted a comment - in one of the discussions relating to Teddy Bear Rage (and the comment got posted and is sitting happily in the right thread), but I ALSO got an email claiming that there had been a bounceback.
I threw it straight into the 'trash'.
Cyberjihad?
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 1, 2007 3:19 PM
Between Danish cartoons, Sudanese teddy bears and British Piglets, a point will have to come where the cumulative effect of all this would be too big to ignore.
Like that proverbial elephant.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 1, 2007 4:58 PM
I got the same bounceback yesterday as you guys. I will forward it to Robert.
Posted by: awake at December 1, 2007 6:47 PM
I got the same bounceback yesterday as you guys. I will forward it to Robert.
Posted by: awake at December 1, 2007 6:47 PM
Yeah, it's not over for me, either.
OK - I will also forward my latest one to Mr. Spencer. This has to stop. I don't know what's going on - none of us do.
Posted by: darcy at December 1, 2007 7:27 PM
Allat, Bienvenidos. Take it from a guy of mixed Teutonic and Semitic strains (with a dash of a few other things), but we Gringo Norteamericanos are capable of nastiness, too. We practiced lynch law down to within my own lifetime. In our war for independence, we drove out loyalists with little more than the clothes on their backs, and that's why there are Anglophone white folks up in Canada and down in the Bahamas.
I wince at ascribing the violence of northern Africa and the Hispanophone world to Arab DNA; even though I agree strongly with this blog's host that Christianity, not Islam, is the religion of peace.
As for the bear business, let me add my voice to Hugh's cheering section. It seems to me that the Muslim Street walks around with a hair trigger, ready to explode at the most paltry thing. Worse, I understand that the kids in the British schoolteacher's class (small kids) named the bear Muhammad after a popular classmate, not out of any consideration of the false prophet.
Posted by: Kepha at December 1, 2007 7:39 PM
leon pf,
What do we expect to see or hear from the BBC bureau in Khartoum down in deNial, where Blue and White deNials merge?
Posted by: John C at December 1, 2007 9:09 PM
DeNial is not just a river in Egypt, you know.
Posted by: John C at December 1, 2007 9:11 PM
Roob,
Take some friendly advice, and stop throwing your money away on e-Bay. If I were you, now, I would put my money where it would do me some good, like that IPO of Fitzspencer's. It's a sure thing, if you get in early enough, buddy [I know I sure did--think Ponzi]. LOL!
Deus vult, Dude!
Posted by: John C at December 1, 2007 9:30 PM
And this cupidity Hugh that we all know..this naivety..this huge denial that the whole intellectual establishment has been and is still going through about islam?
The moral turns i've seen and witnessed myself by the left from the inside...a scholar of Bertrand Russell who I know personally who trades on his name and still follows the path of least resistance.Why?..because it's an easy path..the path of projection and denial.A huge denial of western superiority and science.The stories I could tell you Hugh..my word..I had a lucky position of being an insider..almost a jester of the court of the left..the high left or the low left as I saw it.There communism comes from an earlier time.They are dinosaurs...lets hope they die out..but there fossils still remain and people study the bones of these long gone ideologues.
I'm still a relatively young man 36..but these people made me feel old..their views and opinions were cromwellion..they have a fanactical fervor as potent as any jihadist...believe me they are legion.Their desire to kill western progress and take us all back to 1917 is very potent.
And as we all know and I know they infect the "establishment" as in the BBC,academia and the EU..I used to deal with the correspondence from all 3 parties.
If you or Robert need an insight into the great hole we've drifted into regards the media in the U.K. just drop me a line.
at December 1, 2007 10:03 PM
"If you or Robert need an insight into the great hole we've drifted into regards the media in the U.K."
-- from a posting above
We listen to the BBC. We monitor Robert Fisk and the rest of those who contribute to The Guardian and The Independent. We know.
But detail is always welcome.
Posted by: Hugh at December 1, 2007 10:13 PM
Details I have...
The many facsimiles I had to pass on because these people still work on snail mail...the small and funny drawings from kurt vonnegut that could be sold on ebay for a price.Chugging through the fax machine.
All damning the western model...
I had to get out Hugh...it made my skin crawl..
But when you talk about the academics of the U.K. I've seen them talk and quaff fine wine and smoke their cuban cigars and gloat how much of a shitpit Iraq has become and how vindicated they feel without lifting a finger or writing a word of dissent.
It has been handed to them on plate and they have been lapping it up since the start...
at December 1, 2007 11:59 PM
A fax from Gerald Scarfe was particulary interesting...one of many..a man I'd hitherto respected and then had my illusions shattered...sorry to keep name dropping but I can go on and keep name dropping..naming and shaming almost.
But it's a very interesting period in history we are seeing.
Some witness it through the media some witness it first hand.
I'm the latter.
I decided to take my dignity and move on but I have a few good "details" but mostly amusing anecdotes.
Posted by: ovinesongs at December 2, 2007 12:18 AM
One main point should always be that the readership and percentage of readers of the Gaurdian/Independent/ et al is relatively small..for this were thankful..the U.K. is in no way as Dhimmified as you might think.
Papers like the Daily Mail and The Sun trounce all others in sales figures and always have done.
at December 2, 2007 12:37 AM
Who is responsible for the horrible treatment this teacher got? Sudanese can not be blamed for following their norms in their land, they have religious sanction for that. The teacher was naive, had she known it, she would not have used M word at all. I think the responsibility lies with the main stream media and all those who claim Islam to be religion of peace, for misguiding the woman, and undergoing the horrible and humiliating treatment. If I was her, I would have sued everyone, who has claimed on the national media or in books that Islam is a religion of peace.
Posted by: pagan at December 2, 2007 1:37 AM
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Posted by: ovinesongs at December 2, 2007 1:51 AM
awake and others' --I did forward my latest "bounceback" to Mr. Spencer last night, but have gotten no reply. What about you, awake?
My husband says that this site has been infiltrated by Muslims. Which is why a number of us are getting these repeats of our JW/DW posts on our e-mail!
Let's see if it happens again with this post.
Posted by: darcy at December 2, 2007 8:31 AM
Cyberjihad?
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 1, 2007 3:19 PM
Right. Is that what these infiltrations into our e-mails is?
at December 2, 2007 8:33 AM
@ StillBreathing and Pelayo
I left a comment on JihadWatch and got the same as both of you. That's three of us now.
Posted by: Ginro at December 1, 2007 3:03 AM
Four. Me too. Anyone at JW know what's happening to us?
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Make that five now. I deleted mine completely.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 2, 2007 10:41 AM
I have been upset with groups like NOW for not speaking on this issue as well as the Saudi Rape case... I made a T-Shirt with this slogan. "Feminists, If you won't speak for all the worlds women....then you DON'T speak for me."
http://www.zazzle.com/feminists_if_you_won_t_speak_for_all_women_shirt-235977503079090227
at December 2, 2007 7:24 PM
Interesting comments from Sudanese on the Teddy Bear case here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7115400.stm
Pagan: these things are arbitrary. I can imagine a scenario where the kids wanted to name the little bear Mohammed and the teacher said No.
She could have been jailed for disallowing honour to the Prophet Mohammed (plush be upon him)!
at December 2, 2007 8:47 PM
Has anyone ever gone to a Build-A-Bear Workshop?
You can pick out your own Teddy, stuff it, dress it, then register it with a name on a Birth Certificate. It's really a lot of fun, and the names of the bears are kept on the computer.
Mohammed Bears for everyone!
Posted by: Abscedere at December 2, 2007 9:54 PM
I've quoted you and linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/12/re-fitzgerald-teddy-bear-incident.html
Posted by: Consul-At-Arms at December 2, 2007 11:57 PM
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