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Rick Warren, the "purpose-driven life" pastor, signed the dhimmi apology that a large number of Christian leaders recently offered to Muslims. But he's not sure what for. Don't bother him with details! If there was ever something Christians did that was unjust or unkind to Muslims, Rick Warren is sorry for it!
"Rick Warren: 'I always own up to mistakes,'" by Art Moore for WorldNetDaily.com: (thanks to all who sent this in):
LAKE FOREST, Calif. – Widely regarded by mainstream media as one of America's most influential leaders, he's met with dictators, apologized to Muslims on behalf of Christianity, accepted blame for global warming and invited pro-choice politicians to speak at his Southern California megachurch.All of that, and more, raises red flags with a sizeable number of evangelicals who share the traditional theological and social views of Rick Warren's Southern Baptist roots. The blue jeans-clad pastor of 22,000-strong Saddleback Church in Orange County says that with guidance from Billy Graham, he has intentionally tried to avoid engaging his critics. But on the heels of an appearance by Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton at his church's conference on AIDS, he welcomed the opportunity to sit down and talk with WND.
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Last month, Warren drew some fire for signing a dialogue-seeking letter in which Christian theologians and ministers responded to an initiative by 138 Muslim leaders by apologizing for the medieval Crusades and "excesses in the war on terror."
Asked specifically which excesses he had in mind, Warren replied:
"Ahhh, you know what … I have no idea," he said. "Because I didn't sign it sentence-by-sentence."
Similar to his endorsement of an initiative acknowledging man-made global warming, Warren said, "There might have been statements there I didn't agree with, but generally I'm saying, I think it's a good idea to get people talking."
"It comes back to," he said, referring to the letter to Muslims, "I am a pastor, not a politician. And what I've learned is that, in marriage if I'm trying to keep a divorce from happening … I've found as long as I can get the husband and wife talking, they're not going to divorce. The moment the talking stops the divorce is inevitable."
Warren insisted he's "not a Pollyanna, thinking getting different interfaith groups together is going to bring world peace."
"We know that isn't going to happen," he said. "It just isn't going to happen. That's not what the Scripture says."
All religions are not alike, he emphasized, and one can't be a Christian and adhere to any other faith. But he argued, "There's a difference between compromise and civility."
As long as I'm talking with my enemy, Warren said, "he's not sending a bomb my way.
No, but he may be trying to make you more susceptible to his efforts at subverting your society.
"Don't think that you're going to bring in the kingdom with dialogue, you're not going to do it," he clarified. "It isn't going to happen. But it can keep things from escalating."He interjected that this approach has led to productive discussions with prominent political and religious leaders in the Muslim world.
"What I don't talk about publicly is the talks with people who call me behind the scenes," he said.
"On the other hand – it's going to sound like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, but I'm not, I believe this – the Bible says evil has to be opposed. Evil has to be stopped," Warren continued. "The Bible does not say negotiate with evil. It says stop it. Stop evil. Hitler could not be negotiated with. And there are some people you cannot negotiate with."
Warren argued there are many different kinds of Muslims in the world, and he's met a sampling, from those "who wanted to cut my throat" to those who feel "like a brother."
"Al-Qaida no more represents Islam than the Ku Klux Klan represents Christianity," he contended. "Actually, if you study the background of al-Qaida, they were influenced by the same people who influenced Hitler. It was a lot of secular writers and Nietzsche and nihilists and stuff like that."
Not the Qur'an, despite Osama's tendency to quote from it copiously. Heavens, no.
Many of his critics take exception to that inference about Islam and further argue that agreeing to "excesses" in the war on terror and apologizing for the Crusades actually reinforces al-Qaida and other movements that use the claims as pretexts for their global jihad."Well, I understand that argument," Warren said. "I disagree with it, because I'm not about to defend something that wasn't Christianity. And the Crusades weren't Christianity. Not as I see it.
Then why apologize?
"I do apologize, because I apologize for anything done in the name of Christ, that Jesus would disavow," he said. "I think Jesus would have disavowed the Crusades. Because the Crusades were largely about territorial land and not even about a personal relationship with Christ."
Never mind that the Crusades may, by preventing the total conquest and Islamization of Europe, have kept Rick Warren from becoming a dhimmi. He is well on his way to becoming one anyway.
Critics also argue the Crusades were a defensive response to Islamic jihad, and today Muslims are the aggressors in most of the world's hot spots. Muslims aren't apologizing for this, yet the letter to the Islamic leaders essentially puts Christians in the position of taking the blame."I'm not interested in what the radicals will do with that statement," Warren said. "I'm interested in what the far-more majority of moderates will do with it, and say, Hey, maybe we should listen to this guy Rick Warren."
Yes, I'm sure they're lining up at Saddleback.
Posted by Robert at December 11, 2007 6:20 PM
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Thank you Rick Warren
From a Christian Marine, whose about to get deployed, i thank you from the very bottom of my sarcastic heart
-LCPL Nielson
USMC(R)
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at December 11, 2007 6:48 PM
Maybe Rick Warren is simply a sorry sack.
/Thanks for the "leadership", Rick
at December 11, 2007 7:18 PM
LCPL Nielson - May God the Father keep you and your fellow Marines safe, and give your families the strength they need until you come home.
Posted by: MP at December 11, 2007 7:20 PM
Being entirely irreligious myself, I've always been honest in emphasizing that the Evangelical Protestants seem to be the only Christians who have an accurate take on Islam.
So much for that.
Posted by: Cornelius at December 11, 2007 7:24 PM
I'm speechless... well actually when I first read this I said some very un-Christian words very loudly! Unbelievable... anyone have Ps Warren's email? I will send him Patrick Sookhdeo and Michael Nazir-Ali's evaluation of the "common word".
"I'm a Pastor not a politician"? Just ask someone who knows then Rick!
If this is the level that the other evangelicals I have so recently championed have sunk to in evaluating Islam and their reasons are similar to Ps Warren's then I despair.
There are some genuine Islamicists on that list of signatories. Surely they must have valid, intelligent reasons for signing (I can't think what they would be though)?
Dare I hope after this...?
I still can't believe it...
Posted by: Liam1304 at December 11, 2007 7:25 PM
"I think Jesus would have disavowed the Crusades. Because the Crusades were largely about territorial land and not even about a personal relationship with Christ."
Before the muslims invaded, there were a whole lot of people in Anatolia, North Africa and across the Middle East who had a "personal relationship with Christ". If the Crusades had been successful, they'd still be there.
It's kind of hard to have a personal relationship with Christ once you've been beheaded.
at December 11, 2007 7:26 PM
Rick Warren put his signature to a letter that asked for forgiveness of the moon god!
Doesn't he know the first commandment?
The mind boggles.
What an absolute disgrace he and all the other signatories are.
My prayers are with you LCPL Neilson.
at December 11, 2007 7:40 PM
Contest Time:
The Rick Warren I'm-Sorry-I-Made-You-Cry Contest.
What do you think Rick Warren should have apologized for? The more ludicrous the entry, the more likely it is to succeed.
Entries may be posted below.
Posted by: Hugh at December 11, 2007 7:52 PM
I'm less concerned about Rick Warren than I am at the possibility that his close friend Mike Huckabee whom he has endorsed shares his dhimmi/Christian apoligist views. I'm not saying he does. But this should be a red flag for Huckabee.
at December 11, 2007 8:18 PM
Rick Warren has a 22,000 member megachurch? It is his responsibilty the ensure that he says what he thinks his church menbers will agree with; he dare not upset the apple cart, anger the deacons, and jeopardize his six figure income. Christianity is big business, bigger than Standard Oil.
Liam1304, If you want to contact Warren, search for the church's website; nearly all businesses have websites.
Posted by: Pelayo at December 11, 2007 8:24 PM
What do you think Rick Warren should have apologized for? The more ludicrous the entry, the more likely it is to succeed.
For the time when a group of Christians tried to convince a group of Muslims that Christians, through the power of The Holy Spirit, can tell the difference between butter and "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter".
http://www.answers.com/topic/i-can-t-believe-it-s-not-butter
Posted by: venividivici at December 11, 2007 8:28 PM
King James Bible
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
The guy is an ass, he leads a church 22,000 strong and he bows to Baal.
I'd run to the hills if I were part of that 22,000 sheep heard being lead by that shepherd.
at December 11, 2007 8:32 PM
Ah - more false teachings from Rick Warren - he doesn't know when to quit. Well, there is one thing that he can apologize for, but I want him to mean it. He can apologize for teaching a false gospel - that's what he should be most sorry for.
Posted by: champ at December 11, 2007 8:39 PM
I've always known that Rick is a false teacher, and as more time goes by, and more of these kinds of things are "revealed" by him, then more and more people will begin to see the same thing because the truth always comes out.
Posted by: champ at December 11, 2007 9:10 PM
Rick Warren, fool, who has clearly never read the Koran ("strike at their necks!") or Nietzsche ("Thus do I counsel you, my friends: 'Beware the one in whom the impulse to punish is strong!'"), exonerates the former and blames the latter, with equal meaninglessness.
Bin Laden inspired by the sardonic artist who mocked "God is dead! And we have killed Him.".
Sounds about right, eh Pastor Rick?
Posted by: profitsbeard at December 11, 2007 9:22 PM
Thank you Pelayo,
I found an email contact and have sent Nazir-Ali's and Sookhdeo's responses to Ps Warren (along with my own not-quite-finished MTh research assignment on evangelical/Muslim dialogue).
I will post if I get any kind of response.
Posted by: Liam1304 at December 11, 2007 9:27 PM
venividivici is coming down the track, he's in the lead, and apparently there isn't yet another horse in the race. He's going to win, place, and show, all at the same time.
Posted by: Hugh at December 11, 2007 9:45 PM
Hugh - you've left some pretty frisky posts today - I thinks me likes it. One too many nogs this Xmas? :-) Hey, me too!
Posted by: champ at December 11, 2007 9:52 PM
No, nothing to do with alcohol. I'm just naturally cheerful when the weather gets bad. By the fireside. In the gloaming.
Posted by: Hugh at December 11, 2007 10:06 PM
"As long as I'm talking with my enemy, Warren said, "he's not sending a bomb my way."
You should talk to the Israelis about that. Idiot
at December 11, 2007 10:26 PM
"As long as I'm talking with my enemy, Warren said, "he's not sending a bomb my way."
-- from the article above
How true.
Chamberlain talked for hours, or rather listened for hours, to Mr. Hitler at Munich, and all that jaw-jaw avoided, forever and ever, war-war between Nazi Germany and Great Britain.
And the same thing happened to the Soviet Union. Because after Molotov had such a nice long conversation with Ribbentrop, they decided to make a famous pact. And then they went back to their respective homes, with each having promised, like a great big cubscout, to be square and obey the law of that pact. And Nazi Germany never invaded the Soviet Union.
And a good time was had by all.
Posted by: Hugh at December 11, 2007 10:53 PM
Liam1304, I searched for saddleback church and found the following links:
www.saddleback.com, www.saddlebackfamily.com, and www.purposedriven.com
None of them work!
This one does: http://www.inplainsite.org/html/saddleback_church.html
Posted by: Pelayo at December 11, 2007 10:55 PM
Last-Minute Entry:
I'm-Sorry-I-Made-You-Cry by professing Christ Crucified as the Atonement of Sin, as God the Son Eternally Begotten of the Father, as our One Mediator [even we Catholics profess this], as Lord of History, Everlasting Heir to David's Throne, and a passel of other stuff like that.
Posted by: John C at December 11, 2007 10:57 PM
Every single person who signed onto that foolish 'dhimmi apology' alongside Rick Warren needs to be sent a copy of Bishop Patrick Sookhdeo's masterly deconstruction of the Muslims' letter. Plus a recommendation to visit the 'Barnabas Fund' website.
Plus a 'recommended reading' list: Mark Durie's "Revelation?", all of Bat Yeor, Andrew Bostom, Robert Spencer, and Samuel Zwemer's "The Law of Apostasy in Islam".
And the latest twenty newspaper articles about blatant Muslim persecution of Christians - and other non-Muslims - that have come up most recently on 'dhimmiwatch' and 'jihadwatch'.
For example: the Muslim thugs that robbed a Pakistani Christian of his entire rice crop and sneered at him that he should be cleaning toilets. The story of 'Hannah' and 'Sofia' in Britain, and the fact that for more than ten years they've been hiding from the families who are trying to kill them as punishment for leaving Islam. Lina Joy. Mohammed Hegazi and his wife, living in hiding in Egypt, because they've converted out of Islam and want to put 'Christian' on the 'religion' section of their ID card. The murder of Rami Ayyad, manager of the Bible Society bookshop in Gaza - and the fact that he was essentially killed as punishment for contravening the dhimma, to wit, that Christians under Muslim domination are forbidden to publicly display their sacred books. The horrifying torture-murder of three Christians in Turkey, for the 'crime' of being involved in Christian publishing.
Add to that some of the more egregious examples of violent murder, robbery, rape and harassment of Buddhists, animists and Hindus, since such acts cannot possibly be construed as having been provoked by Crusaders or Zionists. Just to make it clear that Islam is an equal-opportunity oppressor.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 11, 2007 11:00 PM
To paraphase Churchill, Neville Chamberlain, faced with a choice between war and dishonor, chose dishonor; he got war later.
Posted by: John C at December 11, 2007 11:02 PM
"ParaphRase," that is.
Posted by: John C at December 11, 2007 11:05 PM
"Paraph Raze" --- that's when you remove all those idiosyncratic little lines and squiggles out from under your signature, so as to make it plainer and more legible.
Posted by: Hugh at December 11, 2007 11:39 PM
Never tangle with a grammarian or go toe-to-toe with a wordsmith, lest ye be likened to Dan Quale.
Posted by: John C at December 11, 2007 11:48 PM
To this story I say God Bless the Pope who will not apologize for Muslim aggression and their ability to be perpetually offended! Will Rick Warren also sign a letter of apology for Mohammed the Bear?
Posted by: LeonidasTheSpartan at December 11, 2007 11:49 PM
"Quayle," I think.
Posted by: John C at December 11, 2007 11:50 PM
He's going to win, place, and show, all at the same time.
Guess I'll have to change my name to primumsecundumtertium
Posted by: venividivici at December 11, 2007 11:55 PM
veni, you're a roadhog (not very kosher, either)--I expect to be tertium, so don't roar, boar.
Posted by: John C at December 12, 2007 12:17 AM
Rick should apologize for naming the bear Mohammed!
Posted by: kwg1 at December 12, 2007 12:22 AM
Rick Wararen said
All religions are not alike, he emphasized, and one can't be a Christian and adhere to any other faith.
He might want to minister to the Theologian in Chief on that topic.
Let's see, what should Rick Warren apologize for?
For heading a church that generates more revenue than most (non-oil-producing) Islamic nations?
For following a religion that corrupted the perfect "Slay the nonbelievers wherever you find them" Islamic message into "Whomever is without sin, cast the first stone" and "Turn the other cheek"?
For not having footbaths installed in his church's restrooms?
For not tipping that Mpls. cabbie enough the last time he was in town?
For not aligning the pews in his church to point towards Mecca?
My G*d, what is the world coming to when we look to a botoxed and coiffed L.A. televangelist for moral guidance?
Posted by: special_guest at December 12, 2007 12:24 AM
"Ahhh, you know what I have no idea," he said. "Because I didn't sign it sentence-by-sentence."
You didn't have to, you signed where it says -Please sign here-, which means "sentence by sentence".
Posted by: Dsinc at December 12, 2007 1:07 AM
Nothing is new under the crescent.
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=836
Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at December 12, 2007 1:12 AM
Let's see, what should Rick Warren apologize for?
For signing the letter in the first place.
As far as L.A. televangelists go, there are others that would have never considered signing this letter, not without reading it. And then finding any faults, declaring any weekness in the arguments, and knowing what they are talking about, even if in by mistake.
This hurts him as a leader, and I would not continue with his church if he did not claim his error, and find out about the truth about the Qur"an, or OBL's use of it to support his actions.
He is in error in what he says, and should correct his error with study.
at December 12, 2007 1:13 AM
Rick Warren said
Actually, if you study the background of al-Qaida, they were influenced by the same people who influenced Hitler. It was a lot of secular writers and Nietzsche and nihilists and stuff like that.
The thought that the jihadists get their guidance from a 19th Century German philosopher is funnier and more absurd than anything we could come up with in the contest. They are constantly quoting from "Thus Spake Zarathustra" and "On the Genealogy of Morals" in justifying their attacks, right?
Posted by: special_guest at December 12, 2007 1:32 AM
"I am a pastor, not a politician."
"There's a difference between compromise and civility."
The essence of being a minister of God's word is fidelity to it; Warren seemingly cannot discern the impropriety of affirmitively signing documents he neither reads, nor understands, nor agrees with. The essence of compromise is partial concessions. Does his deliberate ignorance of having done so exonerate him? (no)
Was Jesus "civil" with the moneychangers in the Temple? With the Pharisees? Does Paul advocate civility in 1 Corinthians 5:11?
The man is a joke, a charlatan. This "non-politician's" talent is spinning high profile controversial political maneuvers into an appearance of sappy empathy and compassion. Twenty two thousand fools follow this man, and will have to account for it.
My entry (assuming it is not too late):
Rick apologizes for the lunar landing and the embarrassment it caused the master race Muslim countries that still didn't have running water.
at December 12, 2007 2:06 AM
I forgot to ask this earlier, but is "excesses on the war on terrorism" entering Dar al-Islam? or is it killing 1 (one) muslim (by an infidel)?
-Peter
Posted by: Peter Nielson at December 12, 2007 2:40 AM
""It comes back to," he said, referring to the letter to Muslims, "I am a pastor, not a politician. And what I've learned is that, in marriage if I'm trying to keep a divorce from happening I've found as long as I can get the husband and wife talking, they're not going to divorce. The moment the talking stops the divorce is inevitable.""
also, is he just completely stupid? Divorce can happen when people talk just as much as when they don't?
I vote to impeach Rick Warren (or at least send him back to Sunday School)
Posted by: Peter Nielson at December 12, 2007 2:46 AM
Hugh recently recommended The Al Qaeda Reader for all governmental people - military and civilian involved in the "WOT".
I am not one of those guys but I bought it anyway. What a collection of hate letters from the bowels of hell by OBL and his sidekick. Including hate for Muslim "moderates". All derived from the Koran. It is amazing how a human brain can contain so much truly vile hate.
Hugh was right - all our leaders should read this to get an idea of what we are up against. Perhaps if Rice had read it Annapolis would not have happened.
What a contrast with B16's recent encyclical on Love and Hope.
at December 12, 2007 3:00 AM
"I'm just naturally cheerful when the weather gets bad" Hugh
Shirley Manson from the group Garbage feels the same way "I'm Only Happy When It Rains" 1995
I'm only happy when it rains
I'm only happy when it's complicated
And though I know you can't appreciate it
I'm only happy when it rains
You know I love it when the news is bad
And why it feels so good to feel so sad
I'm only happy when it rains
Pour your misery down, pour your misery down on me
Pour your misery down, pour your misery down on me
I'm only happy when it rains
I feel good when things are going wrong
I only listen to the sad, sad songs
I'm only happy when it rains
I only smile in the dark
My only comfort is the night gone black
I didn't accidentally tell you that
Im only happy when it rains
You'll get the message by the time Im through
When I complain about me and you
Im only happy when it rains
Pour your misery down, pour your misery down
Pour your misery down on me pour your misery down
You can keep me company
As long as you don't care
Im only happy when it rains
You wanna hear about my new obsession?
Im riding high upon a deep depression
Im only happy when it rains
Pour some misery down on me
Im only happy when it rains
Pour some misery down on me
Pour some misery down on me
at December 12, 2007 3:08 AM
Additional entry:
I'm-Sorry-I-Made-You-Cry by naming my pet pot-bellied pig Al Burak.
Posted by: John C at December 12, 2007 5:35 AM
"Rick Warren: 'I always own up to mistakes,'"
You can start by owning up that signing this pathetic letter was a mistake.
at December 12, 2007 7:11 AM
-LCPL Nielson
USMC(R)
God bless and protect you. Please know that you are in our hearts and prayers.
Posted by: Aunt Bea at December 12, 2007 7:25 AM
I'm not familiar with Rick Warren but this article suggests to me that he does not take seriously his responsibility as spiritual leader to his congregation.
I have to admit that I am suspicious of the type of gospel he is preaching if the congregation is that large.
Posted by: Josephine at December 12, 2007 7:30 AM
"...As long as I'm talking with my enemy, Warren said, "he's not sending a bomb my way...."
.....what a fool....He is talking about Muslims...perhaps he should start reading about past treaties initiated by Musims...and their inevitable bloodletting...
...He could read about the Bani Quraytha Jews or
Muhammad and the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, or the Treaty with the city of Damascus, or the Treaty with the city of Jerusalem, or the Treaty with the town of Dabīl, or the Treaty with the city of Alexandria, or the Treaty with the Metropolitan of Misr (Egypt), or the Treaty with the people of Misr (Egypt)....or any of the many treaties that Muslims have engaged in throughout Muslim History....
In the treaty with Jeruselam:
Treaty with the city of Jerusalem
In addition to these accounts, al-Tabarī records the "Covenant of `Umar, a document apparently addressed to the people of the city of Jerusalem, which was conquered in the year 15 A.H. / 636 C.E. The document states:
This is the assurance of safety (aman) which the servant of God `Umar, the Commander of the Faithful, has granted to the people of Jerusalem. He has given them an assurance of safety for themselves, for their property, their churches, their crosses, the sick and the healthy of the city, and for all the rituals that belong to their religion. Their churches will not be inhabited [by Muslims] and will not be destroyed. Neither they, nor the land on which they stand, nor their crosses, nor their property will be damaged. They will not be forcibly converted [ ... ] The people of Jerusalem must pay the poll tax like the people of [other] cities, and they must expel the Byzantines and the robbers [ ... ].[53]
These conditions, respecting Christian practices and places of worship, were also given to other towns throughout Palestine, according to al-Tabarī.[54] In regard to the Armenian front, we have references to treaties made with Jewish and Christian as well as Zoroastrian inhabitants of the region. It is noteworthy that both al-Tabarī and Ibn Kathir in their Qur'an commentaries mention Zoroastrians (al-majūs) within the classification of "People of the Book"[55] - Zoroastrianism being the other major faith, besides Judaism and Christianity, that was encountered by the Muslim armies as they spread out of Arabia and which, like Judaism and Christianity, possessed a sacred text.
....of course you can read the text of the Muslim treaty and realized it was all a lie as are all Muslim treaties ever signed....the plain truth is that Muslim really just wanted to kill all Jews...even those Jews that aligned themselves with the Muslims as they did (look up and read about the Bani Quraytha Jews ), Mohammad killed them all....
....lessons learned: DO NOT negotiate with Muslims, do not trust Muslims, do not align yourself with Muslims, and above all Do not allow Muslims in your land....Ban Muslim Immigration.
P.S. to LCPL Nielson and his comrades..May your heart and your aim be true....SEMPER FI...
at December 12, 2007 7:32 AM
Rick Warren: I'm sorry I made you cry by insisting that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. Let's set that minor detail aside for now so we can keep talking; the last thing I want is a divorce from you, my Muslim ally.
Posted by: Josephine at December 12, 2007 7:33 AM
"Al-Qaida no more represents Islam than the Ku Klux Klan represents Christianity," he contended.
This man has a purpose driven life "making MONEY".
What a confused,sad little excuse for a Christian or even a human being.
The quote above makes me wonder how people get away with statements like this about Osama's Mafioso.
I think their organization is misunderstood.
Perhaps a better PR firm would be the answer. They blow up and blow up and nobody gets it.
I almost bought one of Warren's books for a present for someone. Glad I didn't.
I'll go for one of Robert's instead.
at December 12, 2007 7:37 AM
". Widely regarded by mainstream media as one of America's most influential leaders, he's met with dictators, apologized to Muslims on behalf of Christianity, accepted blame for global warming and invited pro-choice politicians to speak at his Southern California megachurch. "
....AND he has supported the fight against the PATRIOT ACT (Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism), HE has lobbied against wiretapping, surveillance, and other montoring of illegal aliens. He has supported Anti-Bush activities and has rallied with the Anti-Gitmo crowd.
...he has all the apparent qualifications for a future dhimmi hall of fame membership...
at December 12, 2007 7:44 AM
Rick Warren needs to get educated about Islam and Mohammed and apologize to Jews and Christians whose Medinan ancestors were beheaded by Warlord Mohammed when they refused to convert to Islam. He should apologize to female Jews and Christians who were turned into slaves and/or concubines by Mohammed after their husbands and fathers were beheaded.
What an uninformed imbecile, Rick Warren.
Posted by: darcy at December 12, 2007 8:49 AM
Surely Josephine is the undisputed winner. What say you, Hugh?
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 12, 2007 9:02 AM
To this story I say God Bless the Pope who will not apologize for Muslim aggression and their ability to be perpetually offended!
Leonidasthespartan
Check out an address last week by Benedict about the people who practice Christianity of the type I refer to as the Church of the I, Me, Mine.
He talks about how Christianity needed to get back to the service of others.
In the article Warren speaks loudly about personal relationship with Christ. What he really means is self service, not the service of others.
at December 12, 2007 9:09 AM
Sigh.
So Rick Warren turns out to be another idiot.
===========
Hey Rick, although it's not explicitly stated in the bible, I can assure you that the wages of stupidity are also death.
Posted by: joeblough at December 12, 2007 10:35 AM
Irish_infidel:
You make a good point connecting Warren to Huckabee. Given the severe nature of the geopolitical scene now and in the future, it is absolutely necessary that ALL the candidates explicitly state what they know about Islam and how then intend to deal with Islam.
But given the relationship between Warren and Huckabee, this should give some Republicans second thoughts regarding a Huckabee candidacy.
Aunt Bea:
Thank you for mentioning that last encyclical by Pope Benedict XVI. You are absolutely right about the differences in what the Pope was writing about and what Warren and many other "Bible Christians" say to the public and their followers.
I always think its funny how some people will give Protestants credit for apologizing for the Crusades when you need to remember that they feel no responsibility for the "horrors" of the Crusades because they weren't done by Protestants, but by Catholics.
Many "Christians" find it much easier to attack Catholics than they do to criticize the Islamic faith at all. And that should worry everyone in the West because that might be an indication of choices made in pressure situations in the future.
Lastly, if this is an indication of thinking behind many of signatures on that Protestant response to the Muslim letter, than I think we have a good indication of the percentages in the West that will have no problem with dhimmitude.
Posted by: GuardianofPeaceandJustice at December 12, 2007 10:40 AM
What should Rick Warren apologize for?
For whitewashing all of the atrocities committed by the cult of Islam.
(I use the word "cult", because an evangelical Christian like Rick Warren will know exactly what I mean by that -- basically, an offshoot of Christianity which has fundamental, or key, differences with true Christianity.)
A Christian leader is responsible for accurately informing his flock (including all of his thousands of viewers) about what is right and what is wrong. By signing the infamous letter, Rick is closing the eyes of his flock to the horrific cult known as Islam.
Does he honestly think it's ok to NOT inform his flock about the fast-growing evil known as Islam?
Somehow, I just cannot picture Peter, Paul, John, and the rest of the Apostles, signing a letter of apology to the Jews who were persecuting them. Rick, READ YOUR BIBLE! DON'T DO STUFF LIKE THAT!
If Rick really wants to take an innovative approach to Islam, he should go to his local mosque with a megaphone, and preach the gospel from the sidewalk.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at December 12, 2007 10:41 AM
You make a good point connecting Warren to Huckabee. Given the severe nature of the geopolitical scene now and in the future, it is absolutely necessary that ALL the candidates explicitly state what they know about Islam and how then intend to deal with Islam.But given the relationship between Warren and Huckabee, this should give some Republicans second thoughts regarding a Huckabee candidacy.
As DG Hart noted, Huckabee is just Warren with a Southern accent.
Posted by: PRCalDude at December 12, 2007 2:39 PM
As long as I'm talking with my enemy, Warren said, "he's not sending a bomb my way.
Heh heh heh
at December 12, 2007 3:09 PM
Wow, Pastor...better hope your wife doesn't ask you to sign anything anytime soon.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at December 12, 2007 5:03 PM
Did Rick Warren apologize for letting "child killing" abortionists get a pass and speaking engagements in his church? Mrs. Clinton comes to mind first. Surely Jesus would approve of that! Let's get some consistency here.
Posted by: TexasInfidel at December 12, 2007 5:13 PM
What should Warren apologize? Maybe he should just have apologized for being Christian. At the same time he can hand over his checkbook to the muslims.
Posted by: Kevin at December 12, 2007 5:50 PM
Consensus of opinion says:
Pastor Rick should APOLOGIZE for being CHRISTIAN.
Posted by: John C at December 12, 2007 6:23 PM
Concerned Citizen -- Thank you. ; )
Posted by: Josephine at December 12, 2007 8:58 PM
"But given the relationship between Warren and Huckabee, this should give some Republicans second thoughts regarding a Huckabee candidacy."
Another point regarding Huckster..
The dems focus their attacks.
40% attack adds directed at Mitt Romney.
3% against Huckabee.
Dems instructed to leave Huckabee alone.
Who do you think they would rather have to fight?
at December 13, 2007 2:16 AM
Idiot. "I am a pastor, not a politician" Then don't sign thing that you know nothing about, stupid. What were you apologizing for? The Crusades? What do you know about the Crusades? Precious little, I'd venture to guess.
at December 13, 2007 3:52 AM
"Ahhh, you know what I have no idea," he said. "Because I didn't sign it sentence-by-sentence."
This is so execrably stupid, it should affect his book royalties. Hard to lead a "Purpose Driven Life", when you have no clue about, nor interest in where you are when you're driving.
Posted by: Abscedere at December 13, 2007 11:14 AM
As long as I'm talking with my enemy, Warren said, "he's not sending a bomb my way.Well I guess Pastor Rick doesnt watch the news or read a news paper, but my advise to him would be, make that a long distance phone call, Moslems are known for not throwing bombs but wearing them!
Pastor Rick should apologize to Moslems for being the son of apes and pigs!
Posted by: Bar at December 13, 2007 11:27 AM
This is so execrably stupid, it should affect his book royalties. Hard to lead a "Purpose Driven Life", when you have no clue about, nor interest in where you are when you're driving. Posted by: AbscedereI had to borrow that for my blog. Posted by: PRCalDude
at December 13, 2007 2:52 PM
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