are we sure this guy is not a clone of Ebenezer Scrooge my comment to him is your a humbug and the son of a Christmas ham along with Mohamed

Posted by: grizlybear at December 24, 2007 10:48 AM

What does MI6 do exactly? Bakri has just called for a terror strike on xmas day and our (well not mine anymore i guess) security services do nothing. Where's Andy McNab when you need him?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 24, 2007 10:54 AM

"Make sure you do not watch TV. Do not let them hear jingle bells. Do not send your children on Christmas trip."

How about "leave the Kafurland and don't go back before infidels abandon that offensive and completely haram Christmas tradition"?

Posted by: thomas. h at December 24, 2007 11:04 AM

Practising Islam should be forbidden in the U. K.
and Austrailia and Russia and the U.S.A. and Canada and New Zealand and France and Belgium and Italy and former Yugoslavia and Mexico and Argentenia and and Scotland and Ireland and... need I say more Omar?

Posted by: The Resistance at December 24, 2007 11:09 AM

They should get him on the Graham Norton show. Show his lighter side. He'd be a bundle of laughs.

Posted by: Celsius at December 24, 2007 11:58 AM

And yet Muslims revered Jesus Christ as a great prophet as told to them by Mohammed.

So why does Omar Bakri want to deny the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ? Because Mohammed was carefull not to be blasphemous towards, Christians, and Arabs as well in the earlier years of developing his religion.

As Mohammeds armies grew in strength he then
wrote that the words of the great prophet Jesus were corrupted by his Jewish disciples. He had to discredit the teachings of Jesus to give his religion credibility. And when it came to the Arabs, he was carefull not to offend them to much at first by accepting some of their pagonistic practices. This is of course the Political Mohammed and not the religious Mohammed.

Mohammed compromised on principals in favor of power. After preaching to a small gathering in Mecca for nearly 13 years, Mohammed set out for Medina and as he did he gathered power. Thus he corrupted his own teachings in the quest of his own power.

He began to rob,murder,and enslave,those who also revered Jesus as either a prophet or the Son of God.

Posted by: Mackie at December 24, 2007 12:20 PM

Well, just in case there's anybody out there who's still not clear about who all the PC nuts are worrying about offending with the phrase "Merry Christmas" ...

Posted by: joeblough at December 24, 2007 12:29 PM

In another chilling post the radical cleric said Christmas Day would be the perfect day to launch a terror attack on the UK.

It would also be the perfect day to launch a cruise missile into your living room in Lebanon. Merry Christmas, Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammad!

Posted by: special_guest at December 24, 2007 1:15 PM

Please notice SHAMELESS EFFRONTERY of Omar Bakri.
This lovely guy was living 19 yrs on Welfare Benefits including for his Missus & 7 kids.
Shows you AMAZING WEAKNESS of Euro Poodle Blair &
his Dhimmi government-that they paid out & are continuing to do so to the very people who are TRYING TO KILL THEM!
Naturally ,even after to getting rid of lard barrel hate fest Bakri, Nu Labour are still forking out to keep his wife & 6 kids in comfort-all paid for by Infidel taxpayers...

Posted by: Morgane at December 24, 2007 1:49 PM

Morgane

yet brits do nothing about this? Why isn't there mass demos outside his families home? marches on downing street? too many "nigel" types in the UK, afraid they will upset their islamic invaders, i mean guests.

Brits will lose their nation, what a frickin waste of a once great nation.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 24, 2007 1:57 PM

Leonthepigfarmer
Although individuals try-they are MUZZLED by unelected Bureacrats in Brussels, E.U laws ABOVE
those of any member country. In reality European
Union has become EUSSR, more strictly controlled
every day in every way,sorta old Soviet style
with NO accountability for billions of Euro spending, massive corruption,waste, and no redress
for individuals after Brussels has 'spoken.'
This applies to everything inclding the ridiculous
banning of pounds & ounces to Fish Quotas.
All expressions of individuality & national pride
are being repressed[just like Soviet system]
so vast mass of bewildered Peasants don't even bother to protest any more.
Only thing that can save Britain is to get out of
E.U, throw out ridiculous 'Human Rights for every
criminal & wannabe Terrorist on earth who gets to
Britain'[their favourite soft touch destination].

Posted by: Morgane at December 24, 2007 3:05 PM

Morgane
Then you may have to ask yourself, "what would ancient Britons have done"? when faced with Roman Legions invading their nation?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 24, 2007 3:22 PM

Omar Bakri: Hate filled Muslim welfare recipient for many years until his good for nothing ass was booted out of Britain.

To Allah with him.

Posted by: Prickzilla at December 24, 2007 4:22 PM

OK even Britian barred this guy , he is so marginalised he's reduced to internet decrees which have nil weight ... it makes a silly Christmas news story about stupid things people say. Is the Daily Mail part of the Murdock empire?

Posted by: David Xavier at December 24, 2007 6:07 PM

So when is Omar gonna have Vanessa over for Halal Lamb?

Posted by: never_submit at December 24, 2007 6:11 PM

This guy needs much much more air time in the West. People need to hear this guy and all the imams spout their vitriol for the West. Give them prime time. Give them full page ads. Give them billboards. Give them rush hour radio. People need to hear the truth. People need to feel the love.

Posted by: SaracensAtTheGates at December 24, 2007 7:40 PM

David Xavier

Sadly his daily internet announcements are a source of encouragement to his British Muslim following. He is still out there, alive and on the front lines against the unbeliever. I used to read the British media saying the same thing about Abu Hamza aka Captain Hook, such things that he wasn't dangerous and it was all hot air. Yet he had many followers who carried out jihadist operations. He himself is in prison on extradition to the USA for terrorism.

My advice is, MI6 needs to silence Omar Bakri using any means necessary. His words are dangerous, treasonous and encouraging terroristic actions towards British subjects.

Unfortunately the imams whom say stupid things tend have a muslim following who do stupid things.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at December 24, 2007 8:47 PM

Islam is a joyless cult.
No wonder they blow themselves up.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at December 25, 2007 3:13 PM

David Xavier,

Merry Christmas to you! I hope you see the messages I posted three stories down. I mean to assure you of my respect and lack of any animosity for you.

Posted by: John C at December 25, 2007 4:01 PM

He said: "To have Christmas tree, visit so-called Christmas Father - that is completely forbidden.

"Make sure you do not watch TV. Do not let them hear jingle bells. Do not send your children on Christmas trip."

He's scared to death that if muslims are exposed to Christmas traditions, they might like them! The joy of Christmas might be contagious and it would be detrimental to islam for muslims to see it up close and maybe wonder why their religion is based on fear, fatalism, hate, violence and the monotonous ritualism required to sustain islam's malevolence. They might be adversely influenced by the message of joy, hope, and peace inspired by Christmas and Christianity.

All muslim clerics are terrified that the brainwashed zombies will question the absurdities and endless prohibitions and restrictions imposed on them by islam, especially muslims living in the West who are exposed to alternative religions and lifestyles. They must incessantly and repetitively inculcate fear in muslims to keep them faithful. Muslims might become confused if they witnessed expressions of genuine love for God instead of abject fear, and that confusion might lead to doubt. No, we can't have that; muslims are forbidden to leave islam and apostacy is punishable by death. Islam is a life sentence of misery.

Posted by: Susanp at December 25, 2007 11:29 PM

The ancient Britains faught back against the Roman legions. Even though they were defeated in the end, thy were very courageous. Unfortunately, today's Britains lack such courage. This was evident when they voted in favor of the handgun ban twelve years ago. By the time most Britans realize that their society has been destroyed, i will be too late to save it.

Posted by: Christian at December 26, 2007 6:28 AM

Using the internet to post a rant against the festive season, Bakri claims Christmas should be "completely forbidden".

Well, there is precedent for such a move: In 1644, Parliament ordered Christmas to be observed as a fast, commanded that shops be kept open, and banned plum puddings and mince pies:
http://www.cppf.us/CPR/Articles/2007/01JFeb07/ChristmasInC.html

(And in Puritan Massachusetts, as the article linked to above states, celebrating Christmas was punished by a fine of five shillings.)

Posted by: Seamus at December 26, 2007 10:03 AM

'Seamus' - take the ridiculous tu quoque somewhere else, it's got whiskers on.

Not being ignorant of history, I know ALL ABOUT the fact that in some branches of Christendom, for quite brief periods, such things happened. They did not, however, last long, because they were at bottom inconsistent with the guiding principles of the Christian faith, which is at its heart life-affirming not life-denying. (Read anything by G K Chesterton, if you don't believe me on that one; or try Francis Schaeffer, The God Who is There).

England had Cromwell and the Roundheads, yes; but they were defeated and removed from power within the space of a generation, and the Restoration followed.

Quite obviously, Christmas is celebrated with good cheer in Massachusetts today, so it appears at some point people decided that it was OK after all.

Nowhere in mainstream Christianity will you find anyone today seriously proposing that all Christians in the world should be forced to imitate the Roundheads or be made to adopt the practices of 17-century Massachusetts, let alone that all non-Christians should be similarly deprived of their feasts.

But there do appear to be a great many Muslims making a lot of noise, nowadays, some of them with a lot of oil money, many of them with weapons, who want to enforce a strict - indeed, a destructive and cruel - public puritanism not only upon all their fellow muslims, but upon all non-Muslims as well.

Worry about THEM, mate. They're real.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 26, 2007 4:21 PM

Hey dumbledoresarmy, where do you get off accusing me of "tu quoque"? Are you a Puritan? If not, then why do you take offense?

Posted by: Seamus at December 26, 2007 6:32 PM

'Seamus' -
I am not a Puritan. I descend, on the father's side, from one Nicholas, of Strabane in Ireland, a Catholic. I am a practising Anglican Christian, with Lutheran, Anglican, Scottish Presbyterian and Methodist ancestors as well as the aforesaid Irish Catholics. I have a PhD in Arts (English) specialising in medieval and renaissance English writers and their historical context. My first degree also involved reading 17th, 18th and 19th century writers in context.

I am not defending the Puritans - if you had read my post properly, you should have seen that I am in fact somewhat critical of their austerity.

What I *was* doing, was pointing out the distinction that must be made, between the past practice of one sect or strand within Christianity, and a contemporary Muslim preacher's hostility toward a Christian feast.

What struck me, and seemed to call for a response, was that your post appeared to invite readers to imagine that a Muslim jihad preacher calling for a ban on Christmas, was no different from (and certainly no worse than?) 17th century Puritan Christians banning Christmas; with the further implication, that therefore we should attach no particular significance to Bakri's words?? *If* that was your point, then I disagree.

The 'rules for dhimmis' in all Muslim-dominated lands included the official suppression of ALL dhimmi religious festivals, symbols and texts. All dhimmi religious festivals and ceremonies - even funerals - could not be conspicuously celebrated. Crosses could not be worn or shown; churches could not have bells. Sacred texts could not be read or chanted loudly. The aim was a mean-minded and thoroughgoing humiliation and suppression of non-Muslim religious practice; to erase it from the public space, in order to assert and sustain political/ social dominance of Muslims over non-Muslims. Omar Bakri appears to me to be harking back implicitly to this oppressive state of affairs, which prevailed across the Ummah for centuries, and to be presenting it as desirable.

The rules for dhimmis are inspired/ justified by passages from the Quran and Hadith; they are inherent to Islam and whenever and wherever it could it has sought to impose them. Recognisable elements of the dhimmi system are enforced today, legally or de facto, upon non-Muslims in Muslim-majority countries.

By contrast, historic cruelties such as legislative repression of Catholics by Protestants and vice versa; and austerities of custom (such as iconoclasm, or the banning of Christmas, or [non-scriptural] strictures on the use of alcohol), have all proven to be both temporary and local. Variety of custom as regards food and feasts is justifiable on the basis of the New Testament texts themselves; and (in total contrast to the traditional Islamic view that Muslims must and should domineer over non-Muslims) no New Testament text ever teaches that Christians should, always and everywhere, domineer over and exploit non-Christians - far from it!

I do not have nightmares about Puritans fining me five shillings for having a Christmas tree in my lounge room!

But I do not think it is at all unrealistic to worry about whether, one day, someone inspired by someone like Omar Bakri might walk into my church during Midnight Mass and spray the congregation with bullets; or whether a Jihad-intoxicated suicide murderer might detonate himself or herself next to the Santa grotto in my local shopping mall.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 27, 2007 12:43 AM

What struck me, and seemed to call for a response, was that your post appeared to invite readers to imagine that a Muslim jihad preacher calling for a ban on Christmas, was no different from (and certainly no worse than?) 17th century Puritan Christians banning Christmas; with the further implication, that therefore we should attach no particular significance to Bakri's words?? *If* that was your point, then I disagree.

Well, that wasn't my point. My point was that England had been down this bad road once before. Did you get that: this *bad* road. I'm not making excuses for or minimizing either manifestation of puritanism. And it's bad whether or not the Christmas-banners enforce their ban by fines (Cromwell's version of the jizya) or by "spray[ing] the congregation with bullets" (though it appears that Omar Bakri wants to follow in Cromwell's footsteps and use the coercive power of the state rather than free-lance violence).

I am not defending the Puritans - if you had read my post properly, you should have seen that I am in fact somewhat critical of their austerity.

I *did* read your post properly. My point was that since you *weren't* a Puritan, your attack on me didn't make sense. I happen to dislike puritanism in its Christian or Mahometan forms. Why don't you think before you make unwarranted and unsupported assumptions about what I'm thinking?

Posted by: Seamus at December 27, 2007 10:26 AM

Perhaps to those of you who live outside the U.K. Omar Bakri Mohammad will be seen as yet another example of the evil corrupting face of Islam, but to those of us who have listened, or come into contact with him, (whilst he resided in England), he is viewed as nothing more than a standing joke.
He was incessantly mocked, scorned and derided where-ever he appeared, and with a public persona that resembled a deluded simpleton the British press lapped him up.
I once had the "good fortune" of standing on the platform of a London train station, witnessing Bakri being subjected to an avalanche of pork pies and bacon sandwiches being thrown heartily and with some considerable force by an exited rabble of "navvy's" and "brickies" working on a building site near by.. His reaction was to take a childish "hissy fit", that delighted his "Persecutors" all the more.
I know their will be those amongst you that wonder, how many minds has he poisoned with his words and lectures of "hate", but I have to counter, if Muslims could be radicalised by this "imbecilic cretin", the same "soldiers of Mohammad" would have "found" this form of radical Islam at a mosque in another part of town.

Posted by: U.K. TODAY. at December 28, 2007 4:36 PM