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You gotta admit, his timing is impeccable. With adherents of political Islam as president and prime minister, and Turkish secularism teetering on the edge of the dungheap of history, he backs this foredoomed venture that only spells disaster for Europe. Good going!
By William C. Mann for Associated Press (thanks to all who sent this in):
WASHINGTON - President Bush gave Turkey's bid to join the European Union a glowing endorsement on Tuesday and called the Islamic nation a "constructive bridge" between the West and the Muslim world, offering a much-needed boost to U.S.-Turkish relations."I think Turkey sets a fantastic example for nations around the world to see where it's possible to have a democracy coexist with a great religion like Islam and that's important," he said.
Bush spoke to reporters following a meeting with Turkish President Abdullah Gul. The two appeared together on the South Lawn, where Bush said he supported Turkey's efforts to fight the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK rebels, in northern Iraq.
Bush called the PKK an enemy to Turkey, Iraq and "to people who want to live in peace."
Gul's visit to the White House is seen as a major sign of improved relations between the two NATO allies after five years of acrimony over the Iraq war and U.S. policy on Turkey's fight against Kurdish rebels.
It follows a visit by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan two months ago that resulted in a commitment by Bush to share intelligence on PKK and not to object to Turkish airstrikes against the Kurdish guerrillas' installations in northern Iraq.
White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said that a key item on Bush's agenda was encouraging Turkish leaders to pursue a "long-term political solution" to the PKK problem, cooperating with Iraqi leaders who also are concerned about the group's activities. She said that the U.S. doesn't have any particular solution or process in mind, but wants to play a constructive role in ending a long-standing dispute.
"We are just going to encourage an open dialogue, which they have had over the past couple of months. And it's sometimes been in fits and starts, but overall, a good cooperation," Perino said. "This has been going on for so long that it's time to try to put a stop to it."
The PKK has been fighting for two decades to win a Kurdish homeland in Eastern Turkey.
The meeting with the Turkish leader comes as Bush prepared to leave later in the day on his first major trip to the Mideast to try to build momentum for peace in that troubled region.
Gul told reporters at the White House on Tuesday that Turkey would continue to work alongside the United States toward peace, stability and prosperity.
"We share a common vision," he said.
In the months leading to Erdogan's Nov. 5 White House appearance, however, U.S.-Turkish relations were at their lowest point in many years.
In 2003, during the buildup to the Iraq war, the Turkish parliament rejected U.S. requests to send troops into Iraq through Turkish territory. And a poll last summer showed just 9 percent of Turks saw the U.S. favorably.
Despite pleas from the Bush administration and personal appeals from Gul, then foreign minister, and other prominent Turks, the House Foreign Affairs Committee passed a nonbinding resolution last year that described as genocide the World War I-era deaths of Armenians during the final years of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey reacted by withdrawing its ambassador from Washington.
Posted by Robert at January 8, 2008 5:49 PM
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La betise s'est mise a penser.
Nothing matters as much as the avoidance of stupidity. Those who pushed Bush's candidacy back in 1999, who visited him, and "prepared" him, and donated to him, anointed as a candidate early on, and who knew him up close, knew the quality of his mind, should be ashamed of themselves. Those of us who voted for him should also be ashamed, but we at least did not see him up close, and did not know the extent of it, and of how necessary it would be to have someone, at this point, of much greater intelligence.
Why is it always one mistake after another?
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at January 8, 2008 6:14 PM
Like it matters to the EU what Bush says or thinks. They made up their mind about him a loooooooong time ago. If Turkey is allowed in, it won't be on Bush's recommendation, it'll be to solidify the EU's southern border with their Arab brothers.
Posted by: Kevin at January 8, 2008 6:19 PM
pitiful... thank heavens we have less than a year
at January 8, 2008 6:39 PM
I am in the UK - I have sworn that the day Turkey is admitted into the EU is the day I move to the US.
Posted by: Pilisopa at January 8, 2008 6:40 PM
Among so many many others I have difficulty fathoming how President Bush could reach such an incredibly foolish position. But than again this is the same President who continues to refer to Islam as the religion of peace.
With President Bush, who needs a Trojan Horse in the Muslim world. It never ceases to amaze me that with all the experts he can call for in an instant moment, still the President seems to be unable to grasp the picture when it comes to this aggressive ideology. Who are his handlers on this subject?? Who is it that is feeding our president the kind of advice he needs to understand in the inner workings of Islam?
But now who do we look at in the next candidate for president that has a seemingly better understanding of Islam then some of the others running?
Posted by: Mackie at January 8, 2008 6:58 PM
Something tells me he genuinely loathes Europe, and this is his way of paying them back for letting him down on Iraq - and Iran.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 8, 2008 7:07 PM
If ever there was a time for Europeans to hold fast to anti-Bush sentiment - now is the time.
It is lame duck season - so whatever Bush wants for Europe, be it an independant Kosovo or admittance of Turkey to the EU - Stand firm with a resounding NO!
at January 8, 2008 7:09 PM
Bush has got to be the LEAST communicative President we've had this century. I believe he genuinely loves this country, but I just don't understand his actions and he doesn't really try to HELP me understand, either.
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at January 8, 2008 7:14 PM
Sorry Pilisopa...get in line behind thousands upon thousands of legal immigrants, then behind the millions of illegal immigrants. Suggest you start learning spanish, or learn how to fight to defend your own country....BTW, we don't believe in royalty or special treatment here in the US.
Posted by: AmericanTiger at January 8, 2008 7:19 PM
When I read things like this about Bush, I feel for a moment how he likely feels most of the time.
Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at January 8, 2008 7:21 PM
'Old Wobbly' Bush's approval of just about anything these days is almost enough reason in and of itself for deciding against it...
Ditto goes for his boatload of you-know-whats...
Posted by: pythagoras at January 8, 2008 7:29 PM
Bush has been a profound disappointment. Now, if Sarkozy decides to push Turkey's EU bid, Jesus better come and get me that day.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at January 8, 2008 7:36 PM
Bush says,
"I think Turkey sets a fantastic example for nations around the world to see where it's possible to have a democracy coexist with a great religion like Islam and that's important."
I feel like I'm caught in a perpetual viewing or showing (not sure which) of the worst Twilight Zone episode ever.
Or maybe this is bad dream from a "reality" fed Matrix existence?
Who are we? What are we? Is this how the onset of Alzheimer's feels?
"EXIT - STAGE LEFT!" "Left is right, right?"
Posted by: Aiken Bryce at January 8, 2008 8:56 PM
One thing that pleases is that the contempt for Bush in Europe -- admittedly often for the wrong, reflexive, intolerable anti-American reasons, rather then the ones expressed at this website --will lead many in Europe, if George Bush openly supports Turkey's admission, to want even more fervently to keep Turkey out.
Unintended consequences on Bush's part. But perfectly foreseeable by others.
Posted by: Hugh at January 8, 2008 9:01 PM
Sibel Edmond's website,
http://nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Part2-FNL-Nov29-06.htm
gives some insight on some of the people involved undoubtedly pushing this in DC.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at January 8, 2008 9:24 PM
That bastard Bush. Not even Jimmy Cahtuh sold out Europe to the mohamedan turkish wolves..
A POX on Bush and his kin for the next seven generations. Ah, make that eternity.
Won't be much longer till the sh*t hits the fan anyway..
Posted by: Allah Schmallah at January 8, 2008 9:30 PM
Bush is merely making a comment and a stupid one at that. If you want to point the finger at who is sending an open invitation to 60 million Turks and even more milions of of future illegal aliens from all the Middle East to get into their cars or take a train or a plane to your European homelands when Turkey joins the EU blame it on YOUR leaders, not Bush. I think they are even more empty headed and eager to cave into Islamic Dhimmitude than he is...
Posted by: penn's woods at January 8, 2008 9:32 PM
Dam! Bush is predictable!
You have to remember that Bush is about two things:
(1) Democracy
(2) Faith
They fit the bill: Turkey has a semi-democracy and Turkey has faith.
That is why he is for democracy and faith in all these places too: Iraq, Palestine, Turkey, Pakistan, Afganistan, Kosovo etc etc...
Of course he has not a clue what a democracy with a bill of rights looks like, despite the fact he president of one, or what faith these people practice, despite the fact he has 7 plus years to figure it out...
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 8, 2008 9:43 PM
Who is this man?
What happened to Governor Bush?
at January 8, 2008 10:02 PM
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical
Sibel Edmond's website,
http://nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Part2-FNL-Nov29-06.htm
gives some insight on some of the people involved undoubtedly pushing this in DC.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical
And while you are about it part 1 is also alarming
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder[er] is less to fear.”- - Marcus Tullius Cicero
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/10/poppy-no-good-revisited-pt-2.html
Posted by: shiva at January 8, 2008 10:24 PM
The President is dead wrong on this issue! His time to leave office is long over due.
Posted by: PineCone at January 8, 2008 11:19 PM
Soon Bush will be gone, but the mess he leaves behind will haunt us for many, many years.
The contempt for Bush in Europe might just be what saves Europe from becoming EUrabia.
I'm looking forward to that!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 8, 2008 11:37 PM
Our first Islamist president. He's like the gift that keeps on giving.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 8, 2008 11:40 PM
Excuse my French, but Bush is a fucking idiot.
Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at January 9, 2008 1:13 AM
Upon my ongoing analysis of the England/Islam "affair" and with my awareness of the longstanding Turkish issue (prior to the above posting) it is with great displeasure that today I will tender my resignation as an officer of the USAR. I appreciate JW/DW for the service that you (generically) have provided for a lot of us. I can no longer serve under the watch nor command of any of our politically correct leaders.
Posted by: jim at January 9, 2008 1:26 AM
"I am in the UK - I have sworn that the day Turkey is admitted into the EU is the day I move to the US."
Posted by: Pilisopa
I'm sorry but I don't understand why you would move to the US? This is the country that has become the chief architect of the destruction of the modern world.
Look around you, they are breaking every international law known to man in their insistence of breaking up Yugoslavia. They are the ones pushing for Turkey's entry into the EU, the bona fide end of European civilization and history.
I'm sorry I don't have any better place to suggest, but maybe staying put and fighting for what's yours would serve you better.
Let's face it, the past 2 US administrations (Clinton and Bush) have ruined the western world as we know it.
Once the US carries out its criminal partition of Kosovo it will set in motion absolute chaos in the Balkans, and almost every other place that has a perceived or real belief of independence. Team that up with a Turkey in the EU, and you have the greatest poison cocktail ever introduced to any continent in all human history.
"Meanwhile breakaway republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia, Transdniestria in Moldova and Nagorny Karabach in Azerbaijan all claim to have more grounds to declare independence than Kosovo Albanians. In Transdniestria they are willing to implement results of September 17, 2006 referendum, whereby the absolute majority supported independence and integration with Russia. Meanwhile, Turkish Cypriots eye Kosovo to end their isolation and get recognition from others than Turkey. Also, meanwhile the Lakota Indians, living in five-state area, have withdrawn from treaties with the U.S. signed more than 150 years ago. Claiming that they are no longer U.S. citizens they delivered a message to the State Department and visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies. Professor Raju Thomas wrote in the Guardian : “Serbia’s claim to Kosovo is, to Serbs, far stronger than Russia’s claim to Chechnya, China’s to Xinjiang, India’s to Kashmir (a claim still disputed by Pakistan), and the Philippines’’ to the island of Mindanao. All of these are provinces with Muslim majority populations that are part of non-Muslim majority states.”
excerpt from "Enigma behind US policy on Kosovo"
link to the article is attached.
I am so frustrated with the US I cannot put it into words anymore. It truly is the only country with the ability to end these threats, and yet they are the ones that keep enabling those that will ultimately destroy even them, how insane is that?
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/joksimovich/012.shtml
Posted by: The fanatic at January 9, 2008 2:01 AM
Now, if Sarkozy decides to push Turkey's EU bid, Jesus better come and get me that day.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at January 8, 2008 7:36 PM
jeez, michelle, I don't know how to break it to you, but I just saw 'Sarkozy the American' giving a press conference carried on c-span. I only saw the end of it, but he looked positively fired-up about changing French society so that it looks more 'diverse'. I mean, how are these stone-throwing youths suppose to get a fair trial when neither the gendarme nor the magistrate is a brown looking stone thrower wearing a turban? Or even a job, or a fair shake, or.....? Poor Sarkozy was positively ranting. Maybe the Saudi's refusing entry to his girlfriend got to him. Hmmm...
Yea verily, Lord Jesus come quickly.
Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at January 9, 2008 2:04 AM
I don't believe that Bush's support of Turkey to join the European Union will sway undecided voters in Europe.
President Bush isn't popular in Europe.
Why does the United States even offer endorsements about what countries should be added into the EU?
European union annexation is a European decision, not an American decision.
Europeans will have to cope with the huge influx of Turkish immigrants into Europe if Turkey is admitted into the European Union.
It condescending for the U.S. to even offer endorsements about a European affair that will be exclusively decided by Europeans, not Americans.
Under Prime Minister Erdogan Turkey has clearly become less democratic and more Islamic.
Before he was prime minister, Erdogan said: "Democracy is not an aim but a means to an end."
The ruling party has tried to ban adultery and forbidden the sale of alcohol in cafes run by its municipalities. It has encouraged religious schools and has spoken of ending the prohibition on Islamic head scarves in public offices and schools.
Erdogan has said that the headscarf ban should be scrapped in universities. A new constitution planned by the AK to replace one written after the military coup of 1980 includes this change.
Many fear that pressure on women to wear the veil, particularly in conservative areas, will intensify if it is allowed on campuses
Gul's wife, Hayrunisa, wears a head covering, a garment that secularists say would sully the presidential palace.
Erdogan was jailed for four months in 1999 on a charge of inciting religious hatred after reciting an Islamic poem with the line: "Mosques are our barracks, domes our helmets, minarets our bayonets, believers our soldiers."
Turkey's protection for religious minorities is less than perfect. Many Christians live in fear.
Three people – a German and two Turkish citizens who had converted to Christianity – were employees at a publishing house which prints Bibles. All were found with their hands and legs bound and their throats slit.
The killings are believed to be the latest in a concerted attack on Christianity. Last year a Catholic priest was shot dead by a teenager and earlier this year, Armenian Christian journalist was also killed by a gunman
How loyal is Turkey, a Nato member to the U.S.?
Remember the beginning of the U.S. invasion in Iraq.
Turkey denied the U.S. access of its own airspace to enter Iraq.
Turkey is currently invading Iraq in order to bomb the KDP Kurds in the mountains. Turkey could further de-stabilize America's efforts in Iraq.
The U.S. has little to gain from Turkey becoming admitted into the Europe Union.
If Turkey is admitted into the European Union then one can expect a resurgence of Islam in Europe and much less democracy. This will provide absolutely no benefit to the United States and could further weaken its democratic influence in the region.
Posted by: Johnathan at January 9, 2008 2:06 AM
Allah Schmallah:
I think I know your cousin, Allah Chingala.
Seriously though, seven generations? Go easy on the bush grandkids, some of them are pretty cute.
Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon at January 9, 2008 2:07 AM
If Bush thinks it is such a good idea to have 60-70 million moslems admitted to the EU to act as a bridge maybe he should let them move to the USA.
He should also remember that a badly designed and built bridge is prone to collapse.
Jim,
Please do not resign your commission, you will have far more influence inside the forces than outside, Bush and his advisors will be gone soon, to have someone within a large organisation, with knowledge and influence is a great assistance to the anti islamic cause.
Please do not resign, just keep smiling, it annoys those who annoy you.
Lt. Presley O'Bannon
"I mean, how are these stone-throwing youths suppose to get a fair trial when neither the gendarme nor the magistrate is a brown looking stone thrower wearing a turban?"
I hope you do not assume that everyone with brown skin and a turban is a moslem.
I have brown skin (although not a turban) many of my relations have turbans. During WW1 & 2 US troops fought side by side with Brown turban wearing Sikh and Indian troops. If things ever go pear shaped in pakistan they may do so again.
After 9/11 a Sikh man was shot dead, his killer did not know the difference between the taliban and Sikhs. Other Sikhs were attacked up and down the country.
Regards
AI
at January 9, 2008 3:17 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
This is a pleasant if somewhat surprising comment from Dubiya (translated as drowning in Urdu).
Form this remarkable comment...I would strongly assume that Mr. Bush is a secret muslim .....what's the betting that he comes out with this after standing down...like Mr. Blair did (although wrong religion).
Remember the saying folks..."Turkey is not only for thanksgiving....it's for the EU as well".
at January 9, 2008 3:33 AM
More from the we-can't-wait-for-them-to-join-the-EU front..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/12/wfootball112.xml
This one's even better..
And I am a **HUGE** INTER MILAN fan now.
And that's my fatwa for the day.
Posted by: Allah Schmallah at January 9, 2008 3:37 AM
Thanks Dubya, what a great idea!
There is nothing Europe needs more right now than a European border with Syria, Iran, Iraq and Georgia! What will that do for Europe sir? Make us safer?
60% of European's are against Turkey joning the EU (and 60% of Turks also) according to the most recent France Inter poll. So why are EU, US and other world leaders pursuing this dangerous nonsense?
Olli Rehn, EU Commissioner for thinks the benefits of Turkey joining the EU is (quote) "a no brainer" - he's right of course, but he David Milliand and others like him are the ones with no brains - Turkey has never been a part of Europe, European's don't want it to become part of Europe and if it joins Europe will cease being Europe.
Posted by: Stefcho at January 9, 2008 5:13 AM
"I am in the UK - I have sworn that the day Turkey is admitted into the EU is the day I move to the US."
Posted by: Pilisopa
Don't run - cowardice gives them too easy a victory. Time to show the true Brit grit and revive the Dunkirk spirit.
'We will fight them on the beaches; we will fight them on the streets... we will NEVER surrender our island - whatever the cost may be'.
Winston Churchill
'For it is not for honour, riches nor freedom that we fight, but for freedom alone; that most worthy thing which no decent man ever gives up, save with life itself.'
Declaration of Arbroath, 1320
Posted by: devorgilla at January 9, 2008 5:51 AM
"'We will fight them on the beaches; we will fight them on the streets... we will NEVER surrender our island - whatever the cost may be'.
Winston Churchill"
....and if you have to die, it is much better to die free from submission to and domination by buffoons....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 9, 2008 6:18 AM
".....it's possible to have a democracy coexist with a great religion like Islam and that's important," he said."
....it is also debatable.....
at January 9, 2008 6:44 AM
Posted by: Pilisopa
> "I am in the UK - I have sworn that the day Turkey
> is admitted into the EU is the day I move to the
> US."
Don't get me wrong people - I will continue to fight against Turkey's entry into the EU. I have many reasons for this. Firstly, my family is of Armenian immigrant stock, so I am a son of immigrants. My father chose to come to Briton because of the values of freedom, education and liberalism that made it so attractive. Secondly, as one of Armenian heritage, my entire family's history going back to as many generations as we can trace were affected by Ottoman/Turkish barbarism, and thus by natural extension these were ultimately the result of the ideas within Islam and its sense of superiority.
My family did not come to the UK from the Middle East, escaping war and religious persecution through the many generations, to have immutable and backward 7th Century Islamic laws creeping up on us.
Also, as an Armenian I would find it insulting to have the descendants of those who committed Genocide against my people be admitted into the EU while Turkey STILL denies that Genocide and is allowed to by the US and EU, including George Bush and his cronies.
As a Briton, I would find it an affront to have the country flooded with people who ultimately do not and cannot appreciate British values that make this country great.
However, our modern politicians simply do not listen - they tell us what's meant to be "good for us and our country."
Posted by: Pilisopa at January 9, 2008 7:18 AM
Europe is filled with stupidity. Adding in some Islam will help keep them confused and distracted while America continues to boldly expand its influence and power.
Of course we would want Turkey in the EU. Its exactly what those communist pinheads in Brussels deserve!
at January 9, 2008 7:49 AM
Assalamau Laikum Mr. trivisonno,
You say "Adding in some Islam will help keep them confused and distracted while America continues to boldly expand its influence and power".
If you will permit me, there is no "some" in Islam...it's all or nothing...a one way street with no U-turns or reversing required.
Thus you should take care with your statements....IMHO letting turkey into the EU means that Eurabia is a foregone conclusion.
Yes ofcourse there will be confusion and distratction....there always is in amerger or a takeover...and also this is part of the course where Allah T'allah's ancients work.....but it does get better when Islam becomes a majority.
Your next statement required introspection ... "while America continues to boldly expand its influence and power".
Yes, that old chestnut....but it won't wash...it will only lead to war.
While in present day a war between the Amerike and Europe is never considered
...with a Eurabia this is entirely possible.
I mean how dare you "expand influence and power" in the face of Eurabia....can you not see Mr. trivisonno...it's self defeating.
The Amerike are better left to help turks into Eurabia and the Amerike....Inshallah only global Islam can save the world... what say you Mr. trivisonno?
at January 9, 2008 8:08 AM
Posted by: Naseem at January 9, 2008 8:08 AM
"If you will permit me, there is no "some" in Islam...it's all or nothing...a one way street with no U-turns or reversing required."
"Thus you should take care with your statements"
Agreed. And you should heed your own advice Naseem. If what you say is true, then how can you justify your previous statements about Shari'ah "lite".
Less time reading the Qur'an and more attention to the threee R's in the madrassa would have better suited you. Your logic is supremely flawed, as usual.
at January 9, 2008 8:23 AM
On topic, does anyone actually expect anything otherwise from Bush at this point?
Posted by: awake at January 9, 2008 8:28 AM
You can add approximately 10% Islam Culture to your native culture, be that English, German, Italian, American, you can add about 10% Islam and that's it. No More.
Going over that percentage will result in ever-increasing amounts of islam (proportional to the number of Muslims) until your culture is destroyed and everyone's got their butts in the air five times a day praying to a black stone from space and practicing human sacrifice.
Just like a sucking black hole in space, Islam too has an event horizon beyond which all cultures are doomed. Read your history books and you will begin to realize that many of the wars throughout the last 1,000 years have been the Islamic Empire exercising its primitive rituals and conquering other nations and killing and destroying because we tell ourselves it is a religion and sacred in a way other forms of social control are not.
Islam is not a religion.
at January 9, 2008 8:56 AM
He also supports seperating Kosovo from Serbia, nothing George Wahabi Bush does at this point surprises me.
Posted by: irish_infidel at January 9, 2008 9:20 AM
Oh yes, and to clarify - the reason that I would want to move to the US is that at least in the US there is a sense of identity and shared values which are more clearly definable than they are in the British or European case. Here we've just become a scared, politically correct and 'dictated to' bunch of apologetic, spineless wingers. In the US, there still seems to be a sense of what makes it great.
And don't get me wrong - I am far from being totally taken in by ALL things American, and will criticize when I think necessary but one has to give respect and credit where they are due. God bless America, and God Save Eurabia !
Posted by: Pilisopa at January 9, 2008 9:22 AM
Assalamau Laikum Pilisopa,
What a miserable little wet blanket you are...it's no good you going to the Amerike...they have enough wet blankets of their own.
Stay in Europe and just accept your fate as a wuslim...your blanket may be wet...but at least it will be warm!
Posted by: Naseem at January 9, 2008 9:43 AM
"Stay in Europe and just accept your fate as a wuslim...your blanket may be wet...but at least it will be warm!"
Posted by: Naseem
...stay in Pakistan and pretend Allah loves you....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at January 9, 2008 9:46 AM
Turkey and Thanksgiving. What an apropos analogy. What else happens on Thanksgiving. People get sick from Turkey. And Turkey is carved up. And unless the movies have it all wrong, Turkey gets hacked.lol
Posted by: Kevin at January 9, 2008 9:46 AM
Everyone here can take cheap shots at Bush, and he does make himself and easy target. But please, someone mention ONE significant Western political leader who stands by Western Civilization against this onslaught. Just one.
I doubt it can be done. And because of that, you can't simply take insult Bush because all of the Western leaders are saying the same things about Islam, multiculturalism, the right not to be insulted, etc. From Europe to Canada to America to Australia and beyond these battles are being fought and our leaders are admitting defeat before the battle is even fought.
Why does it surprise so many that the Muslims wishing to overtake our civilization are becoming more aggressive and demanding when we won't stand up for our civilization, what it is founded on, and what it stands for?
Bush is not a bad guy, speaking as an American. I don't think he's smart enough to be President, but you could say that about many leaders in the West. But I do think his heart is in the right place and I think he has advisors who are telling him that Islam is a religion of peace (doublespeak if I ever saw it), the Islam is completely compatible with democracy, and that Islamic terrorists are simply hijacking a great religion.
If you were told these things enough, you would start believing them too. Lets just ask the Brits at the end of the year if the "Religion of Peace" campaign has changed their attitudes toward Islam in Britain.
Posted by: GuardianofPeaceandJustice at January 9, 2008 9:56 AM
Pilisopa,
Come to the US..........I personally would welcome you.
Posted by: Had.Enough at January 9, 2008 9:57 AM
"Unintended consequences on Bush's part. But perfectly foreseeable by others" from Hugh
Sure about that?
Posted by: Aunt Bea at January 9, 2008 10:15 AM
GuardianofPeaceandJustice:
To expound on your thought about leaders of this nation, I'm going to quote Robert Wuhl: "Bad leaders are as American as apple pie." But since Bush is the sitting president he is going to get a lot of heat for his decisions and statements. Just part of the presidential gig.
Posted by: Kevin at January 9, 2008 10:17 AM
AI:
Sorry about that, I actually woke up in the middle of the night and said to myself "did I write 'turban'?"
Anyway, thanks for going easy on me, I deserved a much worse thrashing after that slip-up.
at January 9, 2008 11:19 AM
Those dhimmi watch readers appealing for the second coming of Jesus to arrive and save our bacon would have fit in well in the latter days of the Roman Empire when barbarians came knocking at the gates. Divine intervention did not occur then, and most likely will not happen now. Ladies and gentlemen, please keep actively working to save yourselves and our civiliazation. Propaganda and political pressure are needed on a daily basis. American readers are encouraged to join the National Rifle Association. Will W be replaced by yet another lackey of the kingdom?
Posted by: MP at January 9, 2008 12:45 PM
Posted by: GuardianofPeaceandJustice
Everyone here can take cheap shots at Bush, and he does make himself and easy target. But please, someone mention ONE significant Western political leader who stands by Western Civilization against this onslaught. Just one.
Geert Wilders
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/12/27/netherlands-geert-wilders-politician-of-the-year/
Nick Griffen
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/10/snafu.html
Pia Kjaersgaard
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/search/label/Denmark
And Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Former Dutch politician
at January 9, 2008 12:56 PM
"I think Turkey sets a fantastic example for nations around the world to see where it's possible to have a democracy coexist with a great religion like Islam and that's important.’ –George Bush
I just noticed an interesting implication within the above. Considering that Bush comes off as a man of faith in ALL religions as the end all be all of what is good, his words above suggest an opposite implication; that the possibility of Islam coexisting with democracy is a rare thing, one worth noting as important. In spite of his faith in religion, his words show he has less faith in Islam than the others regarding democratization. I’m not suggesting that we will see any explicit change in his acceptance of Islam’s peace premise, but it tells me that even someone like his has gotten his faith in religion shaken by Islam. And his answer to it if it ever slips into his conscious mind is not likely going to be more thinking, but more faith.
Posted by: Bosch Fawstin at January 9, 2008 1:08 PM
All American Presidents have supported entrance of Turkey in the EU and not only Bush.This is standard US policy.The only country that can stop it is France.
Posted by: athenian at January 9, 2008 3:20 PM
Why is it always one mistake after another?
One key reason is the de facto rule that Presidents must come from one Fancy Finishing School or another. Normally, this means a toggle between Yale and Harvard, dumbass factories both.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 9, 2008 3:56 PM
Bush really is an idiot. What next, introduce some sharia into the U.S constitution?
Trouble is the dhimmis in Europe will say "Look, if the American President thinks it's good, how bad can it be?"
at January 10, 2008 9:07 AM
I would like to register my support for the proposal that 70 million turks should relocate to the Presidents ranch in Crawford Texas.
Posted by: Monty at January 10, 2008 4:02 PM
That's not a bad idea, Monty
Turkey's admittance into the EU would, as numerous posters have already pointed out, be the end of Europe. Only plucky little Switzerland would be left in Western Europe. And Rockall of course.
Turkish politicians at a glance.
Former Turkish premier Erdogen has more than a couple of worrying friends. Arch Neo Nazi Achmed Huber -of Al Taqwa fame-for one. An even more sinister friendship is with Saudi entrepreneur and all round crazy, Yassin Qadi. He'd funded the banned Muwafaq charity and has unbelievable views about Jews. As does Erdogen it seems.
A pearl a la Erdogen
"These Jews started 19 Crusades. The 19th was World War I. Why? Only to build Israel."
That's good stuff.
Off the wall deranged good stuff.
Read that qoute. Let it sink in. Read it again then realise that he was leader of a NATO country.
He also calls Jews, "bacteria", which is sweet too. Victor Hanson wrote about the guy a while back
So it's good of Bush the Great to call for a country with politicians of this calibre to be allowed into the EU
Many thanks Georgie.
at January 12, 2008 4:59 AM
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