Like a woman who wants to get just a little bit pregnant - The Bishop of Oxford wants oxford to become a little bit Islamic - there's always more sharia baby!

Seems to me the same way my imaginary woman got pregnant is what is happening to Oxford!!

Posted by: LivingVictory at January 12, 2008 8:06 AM

Oxford Village Idiot:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/11/oxford-village-idiot/

* The churches in Iraq are being firebombed in the name “of the most merciful, the most compassionate”… The Coptic Christians of Egypt are under siege and persistently attacked, their shops smashed up and their daughters kidnapped and forcibly married off to Muslims. Christians are driven out of Bethlehem and Nazareth, their ancestral homelands, Christian schoolchildren are being beheaded in Sulawesi and Cristian churches in Kenya have just been burned to the ground with their congregation inside.

That doesn’t prevent the deluded village idiot of Oxford, the Rev John Pritchard, to tell us that sheep and wolves can all live side by side, if only they would all eat grass.

Lets all sing ‘kumbayaaahhhh’….

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 12, 2008 8:08 AM

The Anglican Bishop of Oxford is a product of the Oxford theological tradition, so to call it. Bishops in the Church of England are appointed by the Prime Miniser out of a roster of two candidates appointed by the leaders of the diocese, that is, in effect, the ecclesiastical establishment in each diocese chooses its own leaders. And the ecclesiastical establishment in Oxford is directly tied up with the University: the Anglican Cathedral itself is, incredibly, the college chapel of the largest college, Christ Church! Now Oxford is a beautiful and beloved place, but its theology faculty should have been shut down a century ago, and the appalling succession of recent Anglican Bishops clearly shows why. They are astounding even in the CofE for nerveless modernism. The last one, Richard Harris, denied the existence of Hell, and patronized Oxford's most famous Christian of the twentieth century, CS Lewis - who, in his lifetime, was violently opposed by most Oxford theologians. (The war against Lewis got so bad that he had to go to Cambridge to get the professorial chair to which his immense scholarly merits had entitled him for thirty years. Yes, the most famous Anglicist in recent Oxford history was kept down to a lowly lecturer for most of his life - because he had the nerve to be a Christian.) The Theology Faculty has not produced a theologian of any quality for a century or more, and I know for a fact that most of its students are not even Christian at all, but people who want an Oxford degree as a matter of social rank but cannot enter any of the serious schools. Its Professors are, quite literally, the laugh of the rest of the University - something else I know for a fact. Is it a wonder that the persons who are assigned to lead such a bankrupt community should turn out to be spineless, nerveless pseudo-intellectuals?

Posted by: Paolo at January 12, 2008 8:16 AM

Excuse me, but I have to go lose my breakfast.

Posted by: darcy at January 12, 2008 9:02 AM

The comments after the Oxford Mail article indicate that many local people are dead set against the call to prayer.

Sadly, they also reveal a lot of ignorance about the nature of the call to prayer. One beknighted soul just can't believe it takes place five times a day, while others equate the wailing of the adhan with church bells.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at January 12, 2008 9:32 AM

He's showing how right on and tolerant he is. Not like those nasty racist Islamophobic bigots who object. Idiot.

Posted by: Celsius at January 12, 2008 9:59 AM

3am call to prayer is a great way to wake up. no alarm needed. i really enjoy it in the muslim coutries i have visited. its so melodious. it is a bit raspy when player very loud at 100 decibels from a very cheap speaker, so what? now im off to buy stock futures on sniper rifles

Posted by: goldie at January 12, 2008 10:48 AM

...Is "The Rt Rev John Pritchard " really AYman Al-Zawahiri in disguise?.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 12, 2008 11:33 AM

News just in.

"Titanic captain happy that iceberg just bit huge chunk out of ship"

More later.

Posted by: ewha1 at January 12, 2008 11:39 AM

ewha1

Truer than you think!

When the iceberg first hit the Titanic, fragments landed on the deck and the first class passengers thought it great fun to take pieces into the bar and have them put in their drinks.

Posted by: Fred at January 12, 2008 12:06 PM

Radical atheists take note. Among Christian leaders, I know, they are so tired of secular attacks on religiosity, that will welcome the spread of Islam. They wrongly think it will reignite faith (any faith) amongst a secular population.

This folly is similar to how secularists will welcome Islam as a hedge against Christian power. What will happen in these cases is that both secularists and Christians in allying themselves with Islam will one day find that their kindness is rewarded with being enslaved to Sharia law.

These calls should be illegal. They are a religious speech (even the few words god is great), and if the Muslims are allowed to broadcast words daily then everyone else should be too. Muslims can use a bell or alternative musical instrument (a deep sounding horn. I'm serious).

Posted by: James Martel at January 12, 2008 12:23 PM

Correct me if I am mistaken, but doesn't Alllllaaaaaauauauahua Akbar mean "my god is greater than yours" or " my god is the greatest"?

Posted by: AmericanTiger at January 12, 2008 12:37 PM

And so the dreaming spires are to be overwhelmed by a caterwauling nightmare.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 12, 2008 1:02 PM

I'd like to make some particularly sarcastic and incisive comment, but this woolly headed quisling has put me into a black funk. How is it possible for a Bishop, for crissake, to be so totally out of touch with current events?!

Thanks, 'Paolo', for that great piece on the English clergy; much appreciated!

Posted by: DaninVan at January 12, 2008 1:05 PM

I think the local Catholic churches should start ringing the Angelus again.

Posted by: cm at January 12, 2008 1:10 PM

....the faithful Christians in UK will surely miss those beautiful sounds of the church bells ringing....the bells that cause you to pause and perhaps remind you that life is beautiful....you may even take a moment to say your own private prayer without having some 7th century reject wailing in a tower telling you what to think....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 12, 2008 1:17 PM

This was all noted by Melanie Phillips
in the following article in the Spectator

October 19, 2006
The dreaming minarets
Reflecting on the words of Gibbon, Muqtedar Khan, an assistant professor at the University of Delaware, writes, after a recent visit to Oxford:

In that magnum opus, Gibbon wrote that if the Franks had not won the battle of Portiers in 733, ‘perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.’ Remembering what he wrote, I wondered what his response would be, if he were to now take a tour of Oxford. Islam is present and thriving in Oxford University and in Oxford city.

… Oxford is a small college town, but it has nearly 7000 Muslims, the majority of whom are of South Asian origin. It has five Muslims in the city council, dozens of Muslim scholars in the various colleges of Oxford, four mosques and more halal restaurants on any of its main streets than the entire state of Delaware in the US, which also has roughly the same number of Muslims.

…Oxford is clearly one of the most enlightened cities in the world, with its 30+ very old and very distinguished colleges, and boasting of some of the finest minds in nearly every field as part of its citizenry. Add to this the spectacular domes and tall minarets of the two big mosques in Oxford and the picture of a virtuous city is complete. Gibbon would have been surprised to learn the lesson that military defeats do not stop the advance of civilizations and the globalization of Islam is unimpeded by the material and military weaknesses of the Muslim world

SHE CONTINUES

Thus the triumphalism of someone who understands better than the dhimmi dummies of Oxford university the magnitude of the cultural pass they have so recklessly sold.

IDIOT BISHOPS TAKE NOTE.

Posted by: Fred at January 12, 2008 2:26 PM

In England this muezzin call to prayer is the Muslim way of marking their territory and driving others out. Same as a dog pissing to mark his territory. With other religions I wouldn't say this. Church bells have no commands to pray attached to their sound and their sound can be lovely

Disgusting this capitulation to Islam
This muezzin call to prayer will also bring more dole dependent Muslim families close to this mosque. Soon no one but Muslims will want to live there

Posted by: dennisw at January 12, 2008 2:51 PM

From above by dennisw

"In England this muezzin call to prayer is the Muslim way of marking their territory and driving others out. Same as a dog pissing to mark his territory. With other religions I wouldn't say this. Church bells have no commands to pray attached to their sound and their sound can be lovely"

What's that praising remark that Robert Spencer uses when someone gets it right? Kudos to..

Well Kudos to dennisw. Never seen the point better stated.

Right on mate!

Posted by: LivingVictory at January 12, 2008 3:19 PM

Paolo-
Fascinating inside stuff on Oxford 'Theology'.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at January 12, 2008 3:56 PM

Any concessions to Islam should be quid pro quo.

Remember the priest in War of the Worlds approaching the Martian Craft? Toast......

Get wise Bish...and shut the f..k up.

Posted by: Turbinehead at January 12, 2008 4:34 PM

[url][b] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4485521.stm [/b][/url]

Interesting extracts: ''There are loudspeakers that shake the world,'' the minister protested. ''Everyone hears them. Every day I receive bitter complaints from people from all walks of life about the loudspeakers. When I ask them to register official complaints, they say they fear others will accuse them of being infidels.'' ...expressed DEEP OUTRAGE at the very idea of someone tampering with the tradition of each mosque having its own muezzin, of different voices echoing across the city in a continuous round. They claim their religion is being muzzled.

Just sent this to the Bishop of oxford. [url] [b] http://www.oxford.anglican.org/contact.php?id=21&angle=job [/b] [/url]

Posted by: LivingVictory at January 12, 2008 5:03 PM

" if the Franks had not won the battle of Portiers in 733"- would there be an Oxford today? Hardly.

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/12/tariq-ramadan-an-outsider-infidel-cannot-understand-the-glorious-koran/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 12, 2008 5:11 PM

The Muslim call to prayer in Oxford is a call to submission and Islamic shariah.

The muezzin is a chosen person at the mosque who leads the call (adhan) to Friday service and the five daily prayers (also known as the salat) from one of the mosque's minarets (in most modern mosques, electronic amplification aids the muezzins).

The public acceptance of Muslim prayer times five times each day is a call to full public participation of Islamic shariah in British society.

Where are the Christian protests in Oxford?

If this trend continues, Islam will gain a much larger cultural influence in Britian and demand that more laws be based on shariah.

The liberal dhimmi ways of British Anglicans are far too accomodating towards Islam and they will regret it in the future. If Islam continues to gain a larger foothold in British society, there will be unforseen consequences that will cause disruption and division in British society.

Rev. Pritchard states, "Faith is a very important factor in the lives of 80 per cent of the world's population and a public expression of that faith is both natural and reasonable."

What Rev. Pritchard fails to understand is that Islam and Christianity have significant doctrinal and theological differences. It is counterproductive and misguided to promote the false notion that a more public expression of Islamic faith through the Muslim prayer call will reinvigorate the faithful religious community in Oxford, the majority of whom are Christian.

A more public expression of Islam in British society won't drive the dormant secular Christians back into their own Christian churches. Many Christian leaders such as Rev. Pritchard accept the misguided view that a resurgent Islam in Britian will inadvertantly assist Christianity and drive out the secualarism that has caused millions of Europeans to lose their faith and place their faith in secular values. A more public and visible expression of Islam will cause more conversions to Islam.

Even a cursory historical understanding of Islam will expose one to the intolerance and superiority that Islam espouses. Islam dominates and rules wherever it settles in. The imposition of jizya, a tax upon non-Muslims by their Muslim rulers is mandated by the Qur'an 9:29:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Why are Christians disappearing from the Middle East? If the Franks had not won the battle of Portiers in 733 there would not be a secular humanist tradition at Oxford that allows for academic freedom and scientific reason.

Posted by: Johnathan at January 12, 2008 6:43 PM

Blind, short-sighted, politically correct Anglican twit. Give ANY religion, especially Islam any leeway, and it will try to subdue you. All religions should be reduced to token representations (the way the Soviets did). I wonder what the arch-atheist Richard Dawkins will have to say about the creeping religiosity in his hometown.

Posted by: Pilisopa at January 12, 2008 7:28 PM

It would seem that the only connection with Christianity that the mainstream of the Church of England has left is that it is willingly marching towards its own crucifixion!

The sound of muezzin in Oxford is the death knell for our nation and way of life. Wake up people of Britain before we are slaves under sharia law.

Posted by: Bath Ed at January 12, 2008 7:45 PM

and from what i read, milibrand wants sharia law. well, they may very well get it. so now i think the only place left in the world for any kind of jewish religions will be in israel, usa, and the 23,000 jews left in iran. i think that will wrap it up. so soon all europe will be islamic. oh well...at least we can say we tried right? we tried huh? did we try? did anyone try to stop it? stop what? i dont know....we are all the same now...here's to allah, ah, ha, ha, ha

Posted by: zionist122 at January 12, 2008 7:52 PM

Church bells ringing can be enjoyed just as simple pleasing music and can mean anything really depending on who listens to it. Big Ben ringing or church bells ringing, there isn't much difference. The muslim call to prayer is verbalised Islamic ideology thrust down your ears 5 times a day with no choice possible to reject having to listen to it. I could have worked this one out at about 5 years of age but then again I am not this anglican bishop.

Posted by: ausinfidel at January 12, 2008 7:56 PM

One burning question I have for the 'good' Bishop of Oxford: Which god do you worship - the God of Abraham or Satan? There is a difference you know.

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at January 12, 2008 7:58 PM

oh well.... that didnt take too long now did it? in less than 100 years we will have been done with-us jews, first the holocaust as a warmer upper, and now this

Posted by: zionist122 at January 12, 2008 7:58 PM

"And so the dreaming spires are to be overwhelmed by a caterwauling nightmare.
Posted by: ebonystone"

Beautifully succinct, and succinctly beautiful.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at January 12, 2008 9:48 PM

Pilisopa said: "Blind, short-sighted, politically correct Anglican twit. Give ANY religion, especially Islam any leeway, and it will try to subdue you. All religions should be reduced to token representations (the way the Soviets did). I wonder what the arch-atheist Richard Dawkins will have to say about the creeping religiosity in his hometown."

Your cursory mention of "the way the Soviets did"...as a brief aside, deserves some analysis, Pilisopa. The way the Soviets did, is the way the Nazis did...the way the Chinese are now doing, and by proxy, the way Islam is doing through its apologists - the saboteur/reverends of the Official Church of England. That is, to infiltrate those churches, rewrite their dogma to something more sensitive to the prevailing -ism, and to subvert the church. Token representation? Not. The sinisterists all have the same M.O. Tear down from without and from within. Under the Soviet Empire, churches were turned into theatres, club houses for Young Pioneers, or were torn down, and the real church, no denominational ties necessary, went underground. It happened under Islamic expansion, when churches were converted into mosques, its dogmas reduced to maxims and traditions, while Christian catechism was subverted and rendered pointless in the face of the new religious order. It doesn't matter if it is the Muslim doing it or the state religion of secularism doing it. Subvert and Destroy, and give the appearance of all things normal, through token representation.

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at January 12, 2008 10:20 PM

Pilisopa

"I wonder what the arch-atheist Richard Dawkins will have to say about the creeping religiosity in his hometown."

Nothing I would guess.

A reviewer of his last atheistic tract (The God Delusion?) observed that while he tore into every kind of religion he tiptoed around islam “Like a Labour Member of Parliament with a West Yorkshire Constituency”. This is fair enough when you think about it because not believing there is anything beyond this life if is logical that he is in no hurry to leave it.

Note to non-UK posters, Pakistani muslims have come to dominate areas of West Yorkshire.

Posted by: Fred at January 13, 2008 5:31 AM

I have a "crazy" idea - why not let the people in the area decide what they want?

Anyone with any sense of patriotism, culture or desire for diversity will certainly object to having Islamic "culture" forced on them 5 times a day.

If Islamic calls to prayer ever come to my area I will move out - and Muslims will move in. Well-meaning idiots like the Bisphop allow Islamic culture to strangle everything else. This is what is happening everywhere these days and it makes me sick.

Thanks Bishop! At least they won't be destroying the community you live in, huh?

Posted by: Stefcho at January 13, 2008 7:14 AM

"I believe we have good relationships with the Muslim community here in Oxford and I am personally very happy for the mosque to call the faithful to prayer in East Oxford."

Kool-Aid drinkin', Stepford Bishop.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 13, 2008 9:37 AM

Has this stupid bishop considered what it would be like to be, say, a young Infidel mother with a new baby, living in some street near the mosque, when that heavily-amplified muezzin's howl is belted out in the small hours of the morning? What it would be like to be a tired shift-worker during the day, trying to get some sleep, and being woken again and again by the Mohammedan's shouts? Or a student trying to study for their final exams?

Bells - un-amplified - are a very different thing from an aggressive foreign credo yelled at the top of someone's voice and broadcast all over the place by souped-up ghetto blasters five times a day,including the wee hours.

I checked out the article posted by LivingVictory above, and the comments section was full of MUSLIMS complaining bitterly about the cacophony caused by LOUD broadcasting of the prayer call in Cairo and in other cities, by multiple mosques, and wanting to get back to the un-amplified human voice alone (preferably one chosen for its musicality - no harsh and tuneless need apply). One MUSLIM complained about having to sleep with earplugs.

So: either no call at all (infinitely preferable) or the Oxford City Council has to insist, at least, that Muslims conform to their own ancient tradition, which means, NO LOUDSPEAKERS.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 13, 2008 6:33 PM

When I was a kid I read with horror, of how Hitler, detached from reality, turned on his "beloved" peoples, and ordered Germany to be scorched to the ground.

As an adult I read with horror, at how my alleged "betters", are submitting to Islams every Whim and fantasy, in turning England into a middle Eastern hell hole.

IS THE MIDDLE EAST REALLY A MORE DISIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE???.

Why, when the appointed leaders of a nation decide they've nothing left to offer do they insist on taking the rest of THEIR civilisation down with them???. These traitors do not speak for me.

I vehemently object to a call to Islamic prayer in the Oxfordshire countryside!!!.

Posted by: U.K. TODAY. at January 14, 2008 5:27 AM