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No-Go areas in Britain? Sure. And the Telegraph scratches its gray head over this one, for the guy who laments the Islamization of Britain isn't even a "racist"!
By Olga Craig in the Telegraph (thanks to Sr. Soph):
Do 'no-go' zones for non-Muslims exist in Britain, as the Bishop of Rochester claims? Olga Craig reports from some of Yorkshire's Asian-dominated areasIt has been more than 40 years since Tim Carbin walked the length of Oak Lane, the Bradford backstreet of his boyhood. Then, when he lived with his grandmother Florence Pawson, a matriarch within the community, his task after school was to run errands.
Down to Foster's, the baker's, for a loaf of bread and a pound of bacon from Donald Gilbank the butcher. "And mind it isn't too fatty," Florence would tell him.Mr Carbin, then 13, knew all the local storekeepers by name, just as he knew the families in the surrounding terraces.
Yesterday, outside number 95A, his grandmother's former home, Mr Carbin gazed in bewilderment as he scanned his old haunt.
Not surprisingly, the stores of his youth had gone: such has been the change in our shopping habits over the decades that they have given way to supermarkets and fast-food outlets.
But that was not all that had changed irrevocably in Oak Lane. Among the new stores, the clothes shops sell Muslim dress, the butcher stocks halal meat and even the local takeaway advertises halal pizza.
"I feel like an alien, like I'm on a street in Karachi," Mr Carbin says, awkwardly.
"I don't feel I have anything in common with this area. It's like I've never been here before. I knew it would be different but I knew, too, that I would feel uncomfortably like I don't belong."
He now lives just 10 miles away, in the north of Bradford. He hasn't returned because Oak Lane, like so many similar areas of so many northern cities, is now an almost exclusive Asian Muslim community.
Mr Carbin is far from a racist, however. Well educated and widely travelled in Muslim countries, he has the utmost respect for the Islamic religion. What is worrying him is that Britain's increasing espousal of multiculturalism has led not to an integrated society but, instead, to ghettoisation, with white-only and Asian-only communities existing cheek by jowl but with little or no common ground. And that, he believes, could have an ominous outcome.
Indeed.
Posted by Robert at January 14, 2008 9:55 AM
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'I feel like an alien in my home town'
Thats because you are. Get used to it.
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at January 14, 2008 10:02 AM
"...multiculturalism..."
...what an ugly word this is turning out to be...
at January 14, 2008 10:18 AM
Well, Mr Carbin, I would recommend expressing your concerns about Islamification via the ballot box, but you could find yourself up against Yorkshire's version of the Muslim Brotherhood:
International Development Minister Shahid Malik is said to have "overseen and directed" up to 200 Asian Labour activists to help secure victory for a Muslim councillor.
The men are said to have breached electoral rules by escorting voters to the polling station while telling them in Urdu to choose the Muslim Labour candidate.
See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=493221&in_page_id=1770
at January 14, 2008 10:32 AM
The Brits better start reading "The Soul of the White Ant" [Die Siel van die Mier] by Eugene Marias.
It's about termites.
Posted by: profitsbeard at January 14, 2008 10:37 AM
A comment from the Daily Telegraph about no-go areas:
"I lived in one; and subsequently lived next to two where it wasn't a no-go area , just an 'expect maltreatment area' - This may seem racist but it was blatant that Sikh areas were safe, one never encountered abuse and shopkeepers were polite and friendly - but in predominantly muslim areas we were treated [as students] as thieves and undesirables [and told so frequently, or continually followed round corner shops] - we gave up trying to get a newspaper delivered or join a newsagent video club because even with three forms of ID we'd be called liars , non-residents and on two occasions we were thrown out of shops for just going in ; we'd be refused rizzlas [called f-ing junkies] and abuse/intimidation from the gangs in the street was just a regular thing - crazy , but true! A few months after Stephen Lawrence was murdered [where I lived] there were a whole spate of attacks on bengalis/sikhs and a handful of murders across south-east london - we were in pizza hut one night and the whole place had to be sealed off as a bengali had been multiply-stabbed at the door - all these attacks were by marauding gangs of muslim youths on the rampage - intimidating students of any colour , being sexually offensive to women of any age and imitating apes/monkeys when afro-caribbeans walked past. Even the muslim students had to endure abuse for being traitors to their religion and culture.
Did the police intervene ? No - they made sure they didn't arrive until any violence was over and the assailants had fled...
So what happened ? The other cultural groups retaliated and gang culture and violence developed - who was safe ? Ask the old dears who used to shop in the woolwich high street who vanished from the streets within months ? ask the shopkeepers who lost thousands and sold up until all that was left were pound shops and a macdonalds. Chinese families moved out from their flats above restaurants/take-aways and only worked there during the evenings."
Here's another one:
"I work in a prison. Every day non-Muslim prisoners are treated differently to Muslims. As soon as a Muslim complains about anything the establishment trembles and goes "yes sir". Just today I was treated differently to a Muslim colleague over the same issue, but if you try complaining........
Every day prisoners of a non-Muslim background are hounded to convert or insulted as "kaffirs".
My experience of 12 years in prisons is that they are a microcosm of what's happening outside. These guys don't just do what they do because they are incarsarated. It's happening Mr Pritchard, and as a fellow Anglican I'm ashamed you don't know it. Get out of your ivory palace!"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ukcorrespondents/holysmoke/jan08/bishop-backs-call-to-prayer.htm#comments
And concerning the proposed call to prayer in Oxford:
"Muslim elders at an Oxford mosque have said they intend to push ahead with plans to broadcast a call to prayer from a loudspeaker despite fierce opposition."
According to one poster on this article:
"The Mosque gave a specific commitment *NOT* to bring in the call to prayer, when local planning permission was granted. So they are going back on promises given to the local community, which then allowed the mosque to be built in good faith."
Posted by: Silvester at January 14, 2008 10:52 AM
He will eventually be labeled as someone who doesn't "get it."
Posted by: Kevin at January 14, 2008 11:08 AM
"Well educated and widely travelled in Muslim countries, he [Tim Carbin] has the utmost respect for the Islamic religion."
-- from the article above
Why?
Posted by: Hugh at January 14, 2008 11:10 AM
Why?
Posted by: Hugh at January 14, 2008 11:10 AM
Never understood that myself. What is so respectable about Islam? Well except it will stand up for what it believes in unlike the West.
at January 14, 2008 11:16 AM
Mr Carbin is far from a racist, however. Well educated and widely travelled in Muslim countries, he has the utmost respect for the Islamic religion. What is worrying him is that Britain's increasing espousal of multiculturalism has led not to an integrated society but, instead, to ghettoisation, with white-only and Asian-only communities existing cheek by jowl but with little or no common ground. And that, he believes, could have an ominous outcome.
Bingo!!! And what political parties in Britain are willing to do something about the outcome? These same seeds are aloso sown in America although they have not grown to such ominous scale.
Posted by: Briars at January 14, 2008 1:10 PM
There was also this in the Telegraph
Bishop right to tackle no-go area in our minds
By Ed Husain
You will notice a few comments on the use of the word "Asian".
There following is a very interesting comment from a Hindu chap.
"There is at least some sincerity in this article. However, many non-Muslims will disagree with him on some issues.
Ed Husain: Please do not confuse readers by liberally substituting “Asians” instead of Muslims. Most of the non-Muslims from Asia, neither have serious problems nor create serious problems to assimilation in democratic societies and countries.
Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali has done a great service by calling a spade a spade on no go areas. Religious leaders like him ought to draw attention to critical and burning issues destroying a religion, a society and nation.
Let us be clear: terms like multiculturalism, secularism, liberal values, tolerance, live and let live and some more have lost relevance in democracies, where Muslims form a substantial population. Britain, the US, India are some of the classical examples going through the impact of Islamic extremism and belligerence to different degrees.
"It is British Muslims who will pioneer Western Islam, liberated from the political baggage of the Muslim East."
This is pure wishful thinking or time buying tactics for more and more Islamic extremism and bullying. Many nations have seen this stage before!
Lastly, people like Ed Husain should take lead in reforming Islam and fighting Islamic extremism right inside without searching for excuses, spins and blames!
Regards,
Posted by Krishna R. Kumar on January 13, 2008 "
at January 14, 2008 1:27 PM
This piece of journalism utterly infuriates me!!!.
Olga Craig and Tim Carbon are typical of the moralistic crusaders whom preach to us all about the glories of a Multicultural society.
Yet they come from the upmarket communities, where they sip good wines, digest rich food, then have the audacity to lecture society on subjects that they know less than nothing about!!!.
Their view of the world is - Ive read it in a book, therefore it must be true!!!.
How crass is the fact that these journalists have never set foot in Islamic communities???. How dare they speak to us on these subject matters.
I utterly dispair!!!.
Posted by: U.K. TODAY. at January 14, 2008 2:00 PM
... the guy who laments the Islamization of Britain isn't even a "racist"!
To the extent the word racist means anything anymore, it's the Moslems who are racists. We know this because the reason not to go into their ghettos is that it is understood by all that a non-Moslem will be attacked and maybe killed for crossing the line.
So who's the aggressor?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 14, 2008 2:13 PM
"...communities existing cheek by jowl but with little or no common ground. And that, he believes, could have an ominous outcome."
Only if one of the communities is informed by an aggressive, expansionist, supremacist ideology. Oh, wait...
Posted by: Brett_McS at January 14, 2008 3:28 PM
"Mr Carbin is far from a racist, however. Well educated and widely travelled in Muslim countries, he has the utmost respect for the Islamic religion."
I had already copied this to post and was going to comment "Why" *before* I read Hugh's exact comment.
Indeed, "Why" Why "respect" Islam? It doesn't deserve to be "respected." And because one doesn't does not make one a "racist."
The world is insane right now.
at January 14, 2008 3:30 PM
And that, he believes, could have an ominous outcome.
Yes, the much-predicted and never-observed "Islamophobic" "backlash" against the "vast majority of moderate Muslims" might occur. G*d knows there couldn't possibly be violence from the peaceful practitioners of the Religion of Peace(tm). Time to start rounding up those "Christian extremists".
Posted by: special_guest at January 14, 2008 3:46 PM
thank GOODNESS the Daily Telegraph can still publish such exposes within its pages.
Civilisations are almost always destroyed from within .The Barbarians pick up the pieces like carrion on a carcass.
As the Romans sat in their marble baths talking politics,drinking wines and being massaged by slaves, they must have used the same rhetoric that the liberal elites use in their cosseted coffee shops well away from the 'no go" areas-
Oh why do they hate us so? How can we appease them?
What have we done wrong? how come they cannot see the immense benefits of our glorious culture?
Unable to defend their cushioned lifestyle without the use of mercenaries. Looking down their noses at those who took up arms to protect them as dirty, uneducated brutes etc etc.
And the Historians later on, after the bloodbaths blaming the softness of Christianity for their downfall instead of the degeneracy.
Is it too late for Britain? Has Islam gone past the point of no return in its war to take it over. Perhaps they will have to take a leaf from India's long struggle to learn how to defend itself.
at January 14, 2008 5:35 PM
We're not in Kansas anymore. Or Yorkshire for that matter.
Posted by: tanstaafl at January 14, 2008 6:26 PM
From above : all these attacks were by marauding gangs of muslim youths on the rampage - intimidating students of any colour , being sexually offensive to women of any age and imitating apes/monkeys when afro-caribbeans walked past. Even the muslim students had to endure abuse for being traitors to their religion and culture.
You gave up your right to defend yourself years ago when your country outlawed the right to bear arms!!! I'm just glad that my departed family members that came to this country from england don't have to see and hear about this type of crap. SECOND AMENDMENT FOR EVERYONE!!!
at January 14, 2008 8:02 PM
Note the information passed on by 'silvester', above, about the Oxford mosque story:
"The Mosque gave a specific commitment *NOT* to bring in the call to prayer, when local planning permission was granted. So they are going back on promises given to the local community, which then allowed the mosque to be built in good faith."
That is: the Muslims followed the classic pattern - lie and make worthless promises - promises you have absolutely no intention of keeping - to get what you want. After all: agreements with Infidels do not have to be kept. Treaty of Hudaybiyya, and all that. The 'end' - serving Islam by blasting the words of the 'call to prayer' all over Oxford - justifies the means, that is, lying.
My only comment: if, to get their mosque, they made a promise (is that promise on paper? - who signed off on it?) and broke it, then their thrice-accursed mosque deserves to be burnt to the ground, loudspeakers and all.
At the very least the power could be cut off, the moment they start those - not-agreed-upon - broadcasts.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 14, 2008 9:19 PM
More utter Dhimmi words from TIME OUT magazine, which used to be ,in my day. the entertainment magazine for London.
Is London's future Islamic?
and how its a good thong if it is
by Michael Hodges
It’s the capital’s fastest growing religion, based on noble traditions and compassionate principles, yet Islam can still be tainted by mistrust and misunderstanding. Here Time Out argues that an Islamic London would be a better place....
http://www.timeout.com/london/features/2993.html
Do you think this article was sponsored by the Muslim Brotherhood. hard to believe such idiocy!
at January 14, 2008 9:30 PM
The reason why so many people are drifting in from the "left" is precisely the reason why the Telegraph get so confused:
"Well educated and widely travelled in Muslim countries, he has the utmost respect for the Islamic religion. What is worrying him is that Britain's increasing espousal of multiculturalism has led not to an integrated society but, instead, to ghettoisation, with white-only and Asian-only communities existing cheek by jowl but with little or no common ground. And that, he believes, could have an ominous outcome."
Indeed - while I can tolerate Islam "over there" (i.e. in Islamic countries) I see no reason why it should be given freedom to undermine our freedoms "over here".
In short - I am opposed to the exportation of Sharia into my society against my wishes because it is not in accordance with my society - not because I am "Islamaphobic" or "Racist" or "Anti-Moslem" - but becuase I wish to preserve my "society" - which is liberal and secular ...
Posted by: drk at January 15, 2008 6:00 AM
"all these attacks were by marauding gangs of muslim youths on the rampage - intimidating students of any colour , being sexually offensive to women of any age and imitating apes/monkeys when afro-caribbeans walked past. Even the muslim students had to endure abuse for being traitors to their religion and culture."
...this can happen when you have lax immigration laws...
Ban Muslim Immigration...
at January 15, 2008 6:48 AM
er, isn't this the reason to vote BNP? Indigenous population losing their homeland.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at January 15, 2008 11:11 PM
Unfortunately, the Brits have to find out the hard way about their muslim population. One day they will have another civil war.
Posted by: callmeinfidel at January 16, 2008 5:20 PM
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