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Muslims in the UK demand that Sharia be given legal authority. "These rulings are made for all," says the Sheikh, in a statement resonant with implications.
By Clare Dwyer Hogg and Jonathan Wynne-Jones in the Telegraph (thanks to all who sent this in):
Amnah is a modern British Muslim. She is dressed in a denim skirt and her head is covered in a hijab. Poised and self-assured, she has come to meet Dr Suhaib Hasan, a silver-bearded sheikh who sits behind his desk, surrounded by religious books."But why would I have to observe the waiting period?" she asks him. "What are the reasons?" There is an urgency to her questions.
"These reasons don't apply to me, that's what I'm very confused about. If you could give me the reasons why I have to wait three months, then I'll understand."Amnah is going through a divorce and is baffled at being told that she must wait for three months to remarry, considering that she hasn't seen her estranged husband for two years.
She twists her sock-clad toes into the carpet, grasping one hand with the other in her lap, and fixes Dr Hasan with an intense look. He meets this with a simple reply: "These rulings are all in the Koran. The rulings are made for all."
Amnah has little choice but to comply: Dr Hasan is a judge, and this is a sharia court - in east London. It sits, innocuously, at the end of a row of terrace houses in Leyton: a converted corner shop, with blinds on the windows, office- style partitions and a makeshift reception area.
It is one of dozens of sharia courts - also known as councils - that have been set up in mosques, Islamic centres and even schools across Britain. The number of British Muslims using the courts is increasing.
To many in the West, talk of sharia law conjures up images of the floggings, stonings, amputations and beheadings carried out in hardline Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia and Iran. However, the form practised in Britain is more mundane, focusing mainly on marriage, divorce and financial disputes.
The judgments of the courts have no basis in British law, and are therefore technically illegitimate - they are binding only in that those involved agree to comply. For British Muslims who are keen to follow Islam, this poses a dilemma. An Islamic marriage is not recognised by British law, and therefore many couples will have two ceremonies - civil for the state, and Islamic for their faith.
If they wish to divorce, they must then seek both a civil and an Islamic divorce.
Dr Hasan, who has been presiding over sharia courts in Britain for more than 25 years, argues that British law would benefit from integrating aspects of Islamic personal law into the civil system, so that divorces could be rubber-stamped in the same way, for example, that Jewish couples who go to the Beth Din court have their divorce recognised in secular courts.
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Posted by Robert at January 20, 2008 7:28 AM
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If you get the BBC news channel then you can watch a investigative report about this. The woman is a semi secular muslim who goes to Nigeria to see how sharia would work in Britian. She is hijabless, but doesn't hesitate to say she is a born muslim to establish her credentials. The Nigerian sharia judge seems to be unimpressed.
She throws nothing, but softballs, despite her being a little uncomfortable about stonings and floggings. No need to worry though, she makes sure to minimize them and explain them away. Ofcourse, she comes from the fairytale moderate islam, so we are lead to believe the british shariah would be like her islam. Islam that doesnt even require her wear hijab. The issue of killing apostates doesn't even come up.
The fact that the BBC would even bother doing the story shows how far into the hands of islam they are. They are all to eager to welcome their new overlords. Can you imagine if some christian or hindu group wanted to establish civil religious courts that had legal sanction in conjunction with the secular european legal system?
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at January 20, 2008 8:39 AM
Dr Hasan, who has been presiding over sharia courts in Britain for more than 25 years, argues that British law would benefit from integrating aspects of Islamic personal law into the civil system, so that divorces could be rubber-stamped in the same way, for example, that Jewish couples who go to the Beth Din court have their divorce recognised in secular courts.
Hassan doesn't know what he is talking about, and the apparantly the reporter hasn't done his homework (no surprise there then): The British courts don't rubber stamp Jewish divorces. A Jewish Beth Din will not perform a Jewish divorce in the UK until the couple have already been divorced in the secular courts. So it is in effect the other way round - the Beth Din rubber stamps the secular divorce. Believe me, I've been there and done that.
at January 20, 2008 9:40 AM
Muslims cannot offer anything good to the infidels.They only offer dhimmitude,beheadings,stoning,jihad.Their latest offering is a 7th century brutal and barbaric Sharia law(by any standard of civilized infidel country.Britons should reject their latest offering and expel the muslims to land of Sharia-Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: anti islamocommunist at January 20, 2008 10:16 AM
Gonna be rough 20 years from now when every Western country explodes in Paris-style riots as we finally realize there is a tide to stem - hopefully not a little to late. This generation will have to live with the guilt of a pogrom for the next generation to survive.
at January 20, 2008 10:21 AM
Gonna be rough 20 years from now when every Western country explodes in Paris-style riots as we finally realize there is a tide to stem - hopefully not a little to late
It's always like that. It's the human condition - things have to reach crisis mode before anything gets done. Think how long Hitler was in operation with the death camps before we intervened. And that only happened due to Dec. 7, 1941.
I would appreciate any comments concerning this "crisis mode" thesis. I mean, look - it's all plain to see what's happening right now all around us by Mohammedans, so why don't we just stop it?
Because crisis mode must be reached, when people can no longer deny and look away and make excuses.
Posted by: darcy at January 20, 2008 10:42 AM
There could be a new market for selling the correct size rocks for stoning an adulterer to death. Not so big that it's over too quick, not so small that it drags on and gets boring.
You'd probably need to set up a shop somewhere as they'd be a bit heavy to post via Ebay.
Posted by: Celsius at January 20, 2008 11:01 AM
The UK should show the same tolerance for the implementation of sharia law as the Muslims do for western law. If Muslims do not like what they have in the UK, they should pack-it-up and go back where they came from.
Posted by: DeadRecknoning at January 20, 2008 11:12 AM
The UK should show the same tolerance for the implementation of sharia law as the Muslims do for western law. If Muslims do not like what they have in the UK, they should pack-it-up and go back where they came from.
Posted by: DeadRecknoning at January 20, 2008 11:12 AM
The UK should show the same tolerance for the implementation of sharia law as the Muslims do for western law. If Muslims do not like what they have in the UK, they should pack-it-up and go back where they came from.
Posted by: DeadRecknoning at January 20, 2008 11:13 AM
I do hope that Americans learn something from Britain's suicide.
Posted by: Ernest T Bass at January 20, 2008 11:32 AM
I do hope that Americans learn something from Britain's suicide.
Posted by: Ernest T Bass at January 20, 2008 11:32 AM
Ernest, we should be learning right now, but that's not happening. We are still appeasing and placating, denying and making excuses. Americans are in a fugue state of denial.
at January 20, 2008 11:44 AM
They can take their Sharia law and shove it where the sun does not shine. We want nothing whatsoever to do with the death cult set of by a pedophile for his own warped, twisted ends. Who in their right mind could want to have sex with a girl nine years old and then claim the moral high ground? What can they teach us? That is ok to be a pedophile, is that it? No thanks I like WOMEN and that is how it will stay.
Posted by: Wayne at January 20, 2008 11:46 AM
It seems that Prince Charles agrees.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/01/20/dp2001.xml
at January 20, 2008 11:47 AM
That should have said "set up by a pedophile".
Posted by: Wayne at January 20, 2008 11:47 AM
In the article
Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, points out that during British rule in India, Muslim personal law was allowed to operate and sees no reason why it wouldn't work now.
"Sharia encompasses all aspects of Muslim life including personal law," he says. "In tolerant, inclusive societies all faith groups enjoy some acceptance of their religious rules in matters of their personal life.
"I am sure some day our society here will also be more at ease with its Muslim community and see the benefit of allowing such rights to those who prefer this."
Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari you are a DAMNED LIAR
On Feb. 6, 1912, an amendment to the Special (civil) Marriages Act was moved by Bopender Nath Basu in the Legislative Council. It sought to provide for the registration of civil marriages between persons belonging to different religion denominations.
Till then, both the parties to such marriages had to declare that they belonged to no religion. The amendment was lost. But the 1912 amendment is memorable for Jinnah's speech on this subject.
When Jinnah rose to speak, the Law Minister, Sir Ali Imam, drew his attention to Quranic injunctions prohibiting Muslim male from marrying women outside the people of the Book (Ahl-i-Kitab) and a Muslim woman from marring any but a Muslim.
Jinnah, then, reminded the Law Minister that it was not the first occasion that the council had either ignored or amended Islamic law in such a way as to make it suitable to meet the requirement of times. He cited many examples. The Law of contract was not recognized any more. The Islamic Penal Law, which had continued to be in force even after the establishment of British Rule in India, had been completely abrogated.
The Law of Evidence as set forth in the Islamic Law was nowhere prevalent in the country. then there was the Cast Disabilities Removal Act 1845. Under Muslim Law, a person in the event of apostasy lost all rights of inheritance. This, too, had been abrogated. "I submit that these laws are the precedence which we should follow in order to meet the requirements of the times. For this many precedence can be found in Islamic Law," Jinnah argued.
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/01/beware-of-gnomes.html
at January 20, 2008 1:30 PM
WHAT? The moslem offers UK Sharia ??? If sharia were adopted by UK, it would mean no more gay marriage and all UK gay men would have to be executed to please allah... (duh!) Also means no porn, no 'sexy' dress, no wordly pleasure... That's crazy!
Even in Indonesia (where most citizens r moslem), Sharia is CONTROVERSIAL here. Many moslem fanatics have bene trying to change Indonesia into 100% moslem country and still they get resistance from Indonesian non-moslem as well as moslem nationalist. So, if sharia is not widely accepted in Indonesia, it will certainly NOT in UK!
The world is coming to an end.... everyday, the moslem makes weird headlines which I've never heard in my entire life!
Posted by: Chimera Spectre at January 20, 2008 2:04 PM
Chimara Spectre
I agree. Every time I think something will cause the 'progressive' Left to wake up and notice how they're being used, I'm disappointed.
This is the mild sharia, kufr.
lol
Posted by: Beagle at January 20, 2008 2:19 PM
I see nothing wrong with Muslims having clerical courts much like Christians and Jews. As with Christians and Jews they shouldn't expect the state to have any interest in what goes on in one.
Posted by: Jerry M at January 20, 2008 2:21 PM
That's funny, "Jerry M." Which branch of CAIR do you work for?
Nothing wrong with keeping Muslim women away from non-Muslim men using force either. Just family law.
Polygamy is just family law.
Ages of consent...
And so on.
Posted by: Beagle at January 20, 2008 2:43 PM
They selectively deny human rights. They exploit western communications to promote draconian ideology and law. They operate an illegal cartel. They mutually restrict supply, and subject non-believers to inflated price levels. Their offspring escape to universities in free societies.
Socialists also opt to reside in countries with representational governments and natural markets. But they apologize for liberty. They express adherence to foreign totalitarian systems.
at January 20, 2008 3:01 PM
From the article above: "the form [of sharia] practised in Britain is more mundane, focusing mainly on marriage, divorce and financial disputes"
Thin end of the wedge.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 20, 2008 3:41 PM
Jerry M, ever hear the story of the camel's nose under the tent?
Posted by: interestinconundrum at January 20, 2008 3:57 PM
Jerry M, ever hear the story of the camel's nose under the tent?
Posted by: interestinconundrum at January 20, 2008 4:01 PM
Jerry M, ever hear the story of the camel's nose under the tent?
Posted by: interestinconundrum at January 20, 2008 4:03 PM
Here's an offer that MUST be refused.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 20, 2008 4:43 PM
Jerry M, ever hear the story of the camel's nose under the tent?
Posted by: interestinconundrum at January 20, 2008 4:03 PM
Unfortunately, the camel's hindquarter's are now under the tent. And we MUST do something about it.
Posted by: darcy at January 20, 2008 6:52 PM
Any allowances made for the anti-secular folly of Sharia Law = a (tyrannical) camel's nose under the (Western human rights) tent.
The Brits, and everyone else in the free world, need to say NO! to permitting any tenets of a theocratic dictatorship to be put into their legal codes, -however much it pretends to be "moral" "salvation".
Tyranny is never "moral".
And this kind of "salvation" only applies to the despots who end up running the resulting madhouse.
Sharia sucks.
Stop it now.
Posted by: profitsbeard at January 20, 2008 7:27 PM
go on, then, and allow the muslims to have sharia courts in britain. and then allow the hindus to commit 'sati' - burning the widows alive with their dead husbands, allow the jains - there are many gujarati jains in britain - to starve themselves to death, as recommended by their religion. and the indians should be permitted to marry only within their caste. introduce untouchability as practised in hinduism. or simply be the british citizens, stand up and impose one common law on everybody. anyone, including natural born british citizens, who dislikes the british laws may feel free to leave britain. your forefathers showed lot of wisdom in the early ninteenth century in driving off superstitions like sati and thugee from india. now you may at least try to prevent similar superstitions from entering your own country under the guise of multiculturalism, whatever it may mean.
Posted by: automaton at January 21, 2008 9:54 AM
"Unfortunately, the camel's hindquarter's are now under the tent. And we MUST do something about it."
Barbecue the Camel!
Mmmmmmmmm ....Camel burgers
Posted by: robert in england at January 21, 2008 11:24 AM
The UK needs to draw up a US style constitution and nip this crap in the bud asap.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at January 21, 2008 4:41 PM
Creeping sharia batman!
Posted by: DaveMate at January 21, 2008 6:25 PM
The stupidity of it all is that she is willing to follow it. When my mother divorced my father she didn't go to the Catholic Church, she went straight to the state. If this woman wants a divorce, screw the sheikh and get the divorce. The joys of living in a western civilization is that you have choices.
Posted by: Kevin at January 22, 2008 10:11 AM
If this woman wants a divorce, screw the sheikh and get the divorce...
Indeed.
..."liberate yourself from mental slavery none but ourselves can free our minds... (nabi) B. Marley
nabi ZK
...and the nabified one was heard to mutter: this woman needs to prol'y take my highly rated correspondence course on writing your OWN fatwas...
Posted by: zonie kafir at January 22, 2008 1:43 PM
As a Catholic who has to go through both a civil and a religious divorce - I think it is a VERY good idea to keep the two separate.
And with all due respect to Muslims...
Whether talking about Amish, or Orthodox Jews, or Catholic Christians - all who have reliigous laws which their adherents choose to follow.. none of those religions actively seek to violently impose their beliefs upon others. At least not in the 21st century.
The same case can not be said of Islam.
Indeed, in Western democracy we enjoy the separation between church and state and the benefits that a common secular law provides to all. The problems with a secondary legal system that is on equal footing with a primary legal system is that equal justice under the law is no longer a given.
I'm opposed to Sharia law... just as much as I would be imposed to Canon Law (Catholic Religious Law) being intergrated into common law.
The leftists are a real problem as much as the militant Muslims are.
Posted by: Monkeywho at January 23, 2008 2:50 PM
'We want to offer sharia law to Britain'
..............................
Hoping to make it an offer Britain can't refuse.
at January 24, 2008 3:20 PM
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