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February 3, 2008

UK capitulates to polygamy, grants extra welfare benefits to men with multiple wives

They could have said, As long as you are in Britain, you will conform to our culture. Instead, they are feeding into Islamic supremacism by capitulating to Islamic cultural norms. And welfare benefits? The Eurodhimmis seem to have completely lost sight of the fact that they opened the floodgates of Muslim immigration in the first place in order to provide for themselves a source of cheap labor. And now we have arrived at the specter of polygamists receiving extra welfare benefits -- which, as Bruce Bawer has documented, many simply regard as jizya, as their due from the infidels.

"Multiple wives will mean multiple benefits," by Jonathan Wynne-Jones for the Telegraph (thanks to all who sent this in):

Husbands with multiple wives have been given the go-ahead to claim extra welfare benefits following a year-long Government review, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

Even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, the decision by ministers means that polygamous marriages can now be recognised formally by the state, so long as the weddings took place in countries where the arrangement is legal.

The outcome will chiefly benefit Muslim men with more than one wife, as is permitted under Islamic law. Ministers estimate that up to a thousand polygamous partnerships exist in Britain, although they admit there is no exact record.

The decision has been condemned by the Tories, who accused the Government of offering preferential treatment to a particular group, and of setting a precedent that would lead to demands for further changes in British law.

Oh, it will indeed.

New guidelines on income support from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) state: "Where there is a valid polygamous marriage the claimant and one spouse will be paid the couple rate ... The amount payable for each additional spouse is presently £33.65."

Income support for all of the wives may be paid directly into the husband's bank account, if the family so choose. Under the deal agreed by ministers, a husband with multiple wives may also be eligible for additional housing benefit and council tax benefit to reflect the larger property needed for his family.

The ruling could cost taxpayers millions of pounds. Ministers launched a review of the benefit rules for polygamous marriages in November 2006, after it emerged that some families had benefited financially....

Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said that the decision was "completely unjustifiable".

"You are not allowed to have multiple marriages in the UK, so to have a situation where the benefits system is treating people in different ways is totally unacceptable and will serve to undermine confidence in the system.

"This sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in UK law and the benefits system."

Mr Grayling also accused the Government of trying to keep the ruling quiet because the topic is so controversial.

Understandable.

Posted by Robert at February 3, 2008 7:34 AM
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Do wives actually have to reveal face to register and collect? Surely one burqa plus a bunch of marriage certificates from Islamistan is enough to keep your Mohammad in style. Add pimping to the long list of attractions of Moslem lifestyle.

Posted by: yankee imp [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 8:38 AM

The version of "jihad" in which Islam is spread by immigration to non-Moslem countries is working, working, working.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 8:41 AM

Someone should highlight the absurdity of this by "demanding" equal "rights" in this area for polyandry (female polygamy). It would have an entertaining, Monty Python-esque flair to it (all it would need is Terry Gilliam and John Cleese in their "old lady" characters, similar to the ones in How to Irritate People).

The courts would have to grant it, or admit the government is kowtowing to one particular group out of fear. And then they might realize the slippery slope they're on, both with respect to inequality under the law (hopefully that still bothers some people nowadays), and the unending succession of accommodations demanded and received by Muslims in the West.

Posted by: MarisolJW [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 8:45 AM

I feel sick.

Winston Churchill must be rolling in his grave.

With this lunancy being foisted on the UK taxpayers, you've just guaranteed what little is left of the British "way" is gonzo.

Isn't multiculturalism grand? The left leaning loons have solidified sending Western values down the toilet. Beaureaucratic whores and other PC morons have just given away the "jewels".

4 women + 1 man can create a huge herd of babies... all of course, followers of the great religion of peace. Exponential birthrates = the next majority.

Order your burquas now folks...

I feel sick.

Posted by: SickofitALL [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 8:57 AM

Responding to the pressure of the muslim lobby the government has been testing the ground for this for some time. Sympathetic broadcasts about polygamy have been put out on the BBC for at least 5 years.

I know of one educated muslim who openly married for the third time last year. Thanks to New Labours scrapping of restrictions on overseas marriages in 1997, 60% of muslims now bring in wives from Pakistan or Bangladesh so at least one of the three will probably be an illegal immigrant. If you expect the authorities to do anything about these cases do not hold your breath.

Posted by: Fred [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 9:01 AM

Yankee, wives won't see the money. They're going to allow the benefits to go right into the husbands bank account. -cough cough-

Shan't be long before it'll be 4 wives for every on UK soil.

Sharia just happened.

Posted by: SickofitALL [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 9:02 AM

I am a Yank from New York City. I consider Winston Churchill to be the greatest leader of the 20th century and one of the great leaders of all time. I agree with SickofitALL, that he not only is he rolling in his gave, he must be spinning in his grave. Just when you thought you heard it all, something like this comes along. Here in the states, most people think of Brits as smart, because of their accents, but I guess this is another instance that dispels that myth.

Posted by: one of the chosen people [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 9:46 AM

"Even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, the decision by ministers means that polygamous marriages can now be recognised formally by the state, so long as the weddings took place in countries where the arrangement is legal."

By that logic, you can molest a child in the UK as long as you originally molested the child in another country where the age of consent is much younger. I guess in the UK, foreign laws outweigh British law.

Posted by: Elric66 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 9:49 AM

Borat has arrived

Posted by: lonewolf [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 9:50 AM
"Even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, the decision by ministers means that polygamous marriages can now be recognised formally by the state, so long as the weddings took place in countries where the arrangement is legal."

Rather, poligamy should totally disqualify him from immigrating at all.


Because it's in the koran . . .


Sura (4:3) -

"Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess."

The Brits have now decreed that no good muslim need fear he could not do justice to so many. Justice via infidel tax payer support/jizya by royal decree.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 10:14 AM

This will bankrupt the country for sure.

Posted by: David England [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 10:35 AM

"This will bankrupt the country for sure."

Morally or financially?

Posted by: Elric66 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 10:36 AM

what happens when all these muslims marry and have tons of kids who then marry multiple wives and then have tons of kids, who will work to support all these people in the uk?

eventually they will not be able to support all this if this will become the norm.

uk will go broke!
uk nationals will eventually wither away and leave muslim pop to take over, and if no one is working to support all these babies and wives, it will go bust!
this is not good. i do n ot know what is wrong with the parliment there that they will support this type of behavior and think iti s okay to do this.
once word gets out of the boon for multiple wives they are going to have a further increase in this kind of thing that will have no end.

this is the beginning of the end for uk, period.
unless they reverse this they can kiss their world good bye b/c in about 20-30 years there will be no uk as we know it. they dont care anymore. they sold out.

Posted by: zionist122 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 10:48 AM

one of the chosen people

"Here in the states, most people think of Brits as smart, because of their accents, but I guess this is another instance that dispels that myth."

just wait til hillary or obama gets in. you'll all be goose stepping to the same tune of europe.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 10:49 AM

In the USA, WIC (Women, Infants and Children) benefits go to mostly single mothers. Biological fathers have child support payments deducted from their paychecks (if they have jobs). American men don't get welfare benefits but may collect unemployment benefits for 6 months to 1 year.

It has been said that the US welfare system discourages marriage, which might lead to loss of government benefits. It sounds better to me than payments to fathers, who may neglect their wives and children. It is unbelievable that a government would reward polygamy with extra cash benefits!

Posted by: CTYankee [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 11:03 AM

Well thats it for the uk I guess.

Posted by: GrennBeck [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 11:13 AM

Perhaps the most interesting thing about this site is the blatant racism yanks like Robert show towards Europeans with their constant slurs. Rather than focusing on the wrongs of muslims he just uses it all as an excuse to justify his anti-European bigotry. And he will never realize that he is just as much a part of the anti-western movement that is destroying our societies as the other yankdhimmies we see supporting muslim the takeover of the west.

Posted by: LastNorwegian [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 11:14 AM

"Even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, the decision by ministers means that polygamous marriages can now be recognised formally by the state, so long as the weddings took place in countries where the arrangement is legal."

Which means that any muslim in the UK can have 4 wives provided he goes back to the old country to marry them?

Posted by: Fred [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 11:22 AM

LastNorwegian

Er, Robert was in Europe only last week at some anti jihad conference raising awareness of the european jihad. Where were you?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 11:51 AM

norweigan

look,

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2575

why would someone who was anti europe attend a conference last year in support of europe?

last year, not last week.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 11:54 AM

Sheer madness and suicide.

Meanwhile, the BNP is BAAAAAAD.

Posted by: cantor [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 12:08 PM

america alone by mark steyn is right!!! just look at what is happening all over and especially in uk!

Posted by: zionist122 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 12:12 PM

ok, so therefore Warren Jeffs the head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) could claim asylum in the UK, political asylum and bring over his wives?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7104832.stm

The UK has always been a soft touch on Islamic extreme ideologies, this is why Londoners had to endure bombs on July 2005. Any other society would've marched on Downing Street with flaming torches. Maybe this is what's necessary? An extreme disgruntled British public that will not take it anymore?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 12:40 PM

leonthepigfarmer....Ordinarily you might be right about Obama or Hillary. However, we have many people named Bubba with shotguns on their pickup trucks and just ordinary citizens like myself who will never stand for such dhimmitude or other similar type thinking. Just look what happened to Hillary when she proposed her healthcare plan when her husband was president. There was such an uproar that she's still haunted by it today. The same thing happened when NY Governor Spitzer proposed giving illegal aliens driver's licenses. That issue alone might be his downfall when he's up for reelection.

Posted by: one of the chosen people [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 2:40 PM

When will we get a government with spine. Not soon it appears.
Incredible, just fucking incredible.

Meanwhile there's a drive on to get people who are falsely claiming invalidity benefit back to work by cutting their benefits. Is it any wonder indigenous Britains cheat. They must look at the scamming third world dross we let in by the millions and think what the hell, why shouldn't I.
Perhaps the government need the money to fund the new influx.
Missed this in the BBC news, why's that do you suppose?

Posted by: Ian [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 3:05 PM

As Brit I cringe at articles like these, I get angry and almost cry with frustration. What does get me crying though is when I read articles like this below. A sort of malignant contempt rises up in me, and I curse the politicians who have allowed my beloved country sink to such a dismal state of degradation. I am sure there are many more like me who feel the same, and are ashamed. The trouble is that about 43 marginal seats are dependent of the muslim vote so you can bet that nothing will change at the next election because the two main parties will do what they think is expedient and not what common sense tells them. When my country sinks into chaos and civil war. Let us hope that this decent gentleman is not around to see the degradation and humiliation of a once great country, like the rest of us.

A frail 81-year-old who was charged with assaulting two burly policemen on his way from church last Christmas Eve will have to wait until after next Christmas for the chance to clear his name.
Frank Gibson, OBE, a former Conservative councillor, Tory group leader and mayor of Gravesend in Kent, went on trial in Chatham last week after denying assaulting the two young, well-built officers.
To his dismay, Mr Gibson - who is hard of hearing, has high blood pressure, arthritic hands and, at the time of his arrest, could barely walk following major surgery on his feet - was told at the end of the prosecution case that there was no space on the court calendar for the defence to be heard until January."Last year, this matter effectively ruined Christmas and now we will have this hanging over us again this Christmas," Mr Gibson said afterwards.
Mr Gibson is accused of pushing one officer in the chest and twisting the thumb of another after they pulled him over on suspicion of drink-driving as he drove home his Volvo.
A breath test was taken but, as Mr Gibson had only had a sip of communion wine, it was negative. But because the pensioner refused to get out of his car, saying he had done nothing wrong, Mr Gibson claims the two officers grabbed an arm each and dragged him from his vehicle.
Pc Steven Cole told Medway magistrates' court that Mr Gibson had grabbed his thumb. "It hurt. He twisted it back and I noted down in my pocket notebook that I let out a yelp. There is no way else of describing it."
John Fitzgerald, prosecuting, said: "Mr Gibson's reaction was to push Pc Thomas McGregor in the chest with his left hand and walk back to his car."
The officers said that they were so traumatised by the OAP's actions they called for back-up before arresting him.
Mr Gibson was handcuffed and taken to a police station, where he was held for more than five hours, returning home at 5am on Christmas Day.
The case was adjourned until Jan 22.

Posted by: Holger Dansker [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 6:26 PM

leon

I think Warren Jeffs could get away with it. Of course, there's also the 'complication' that he 'married' some minors, but with the previous story of the 15 year old Muslimah who was imported to the UK to become a slut (where if you notice no criminal action has been taken against her relatives), Jeffs should find it smoothe sailing there too.

Only problem - you don't have fanatical LDS people threatening secular authorities even in UT, let alone USA or UK, so he'd probably be out of luck if he were to try pulling that stunt.

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 6:31 PM

Holger Dansker

"Frank Gibson, OBE, a former Conservative councillor"

now do you see why the class war marxists have it in for him

He's part of the very old school establishment they are trying to eradicate in the UK.

The far left silent revolution continues unabated and unhindered.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 6:55 PM

If Britain is indeed Christian then this must not be allowed to happen, polygamy is a sin and even if you 'religion' allows it then sorry, can't do.
But NO, they continue pandering to these idiots because it is PC to do, such lunacy!
England is beyound hope or indeed they need a leader that will rise and wxpel all those Muslims back to their countries where they can have as many wives as they wish.

Posted by: Metroplex [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 7:33 PM

Marisol -

interesting comment re. polyandry.

It's much rarer than polygamy but it HAS happened in some societies.

I understand, for example, that in old-time Tibet it was quite usual for a woman to marry, say, three brothers.

(Perhaps, in a very harsh high alpine environment, the idea was that two or three men working hard had a better chance of scraping together enough resources to sustain just one woman plus babies, than either one guy on his own with one wife, or one poor guy trying to sustain a whole bunch of women and hordes of kids?).

Yeah. Are there any Tibetans in Britain? It would be interesting if there were - they could invoke this ancient custom and call the government's bluff.

Wasn't there a reform-minded muslim, somewhere, who got into terrible trouble after he or she called attention to the unfairness of men being able to have multiple wives, but the reverse not being true?

Time for every other non-Muslim faith community in Britain, Christians and Jews first, but also the other groups (Hindus, Sikhs, Confucians/ Taoists, Chinese Buddhists) who have - so far as I know - quietly dumped polygamy for some generations now and don't seem to be exactly hankering to get it back, to kick up a huge stink about this stupid ruling which 1. makes a mockery of ancient British law and custom concerning marriage and 2. gives Muslim polygamous men a totally unfair source of extra income, denied to everybody else.

And time to spread far and wide Nonie Darwish's and Wafa Sultan's devastating observations detailing the dreadful psychological/ emotional and social fallout from polygamy, the ways in which it damages women, children, and, yes, men.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 8:25 PM

Reading this, I could only think of the Somersett Case -- which ruled that slavery was not permitted in Britain (although it was still allowed in British colonies) and any slave brought to the UK by his owner would immediately become free. Does this "advancement" in British respect for other cultures reverse that decision, so that henceforth, someone who purchases a slave (in a country where slavery is legal) is hereby able to bring the slave to Britain?

But I see some good news in this. All Brits who want to be armed for the upcoming civil war may now purchase assault weapons (in countries where such purchases are legal) and take them back to Britain, right?

Posted by: CJ [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 8:49 PM

Why would the guy be getting ANY benefits anyway? If he is healthy enough to marry again he should be able to work. And if he isn't healthy, surely the wives could both work and he could care for their children.

Even The Hook was healthy enough to drag his mouth to the streets to give sermons. He was healthy enough to do that he should be healthy enough to do sales work. He was healthy and able bodied enough to father all those kids, how can he not manage to work? That goes for the rest of them. Why are those thousand on benefits anyway? And why isn't there a time limit?

No wonder they are willing to risk life and limb to get to England. Healthy enough to pass through all those other countries. Able to travel great distance to get there but not able to work. They seek asylum but don't mind traveling back to get another wife?

Europe is too soft.

What will it take to get a protest in the streets?

Posted by: Borg [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2008 11:29 PM

So if I fly four lazy chicks to Morocco, and we take the one-line admission pledge to become Muslims, I can then marry them all and seek "asylum" in England for the five of us (we can say we're persecuted because we are those peaceful Amahdi sect Mohammedans) and we all get on the dole? Free housing, medical, education, stipends, etc., etc.?

Which also means, as the man of the family, I hold onto all the cash?

Sounds like an invitation to disaster for the U.K.

Now where's my passport and my little black book?

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2008 2:10 AM

SickofitALL said

Winston Churchill must be rolling in his grave.

I think at this point we could just attach an electrical generator to Winston in his grave, and we'd have a renewable energy source to power all our cities for decades to come. That's even taking into account the cooling system that will need to be installed in any event in his crypt to reduce the red-hot temperatures caused by his excessive RPM's.

I'm no European basher, and we Yank's have our own problems for sure, but you will never see us allowing polygamy in order to placate Islam. This country would come unglued if they tried it.

I would have thought this would be a shiny red line to cross in the U.K. too. Guess not.

Sometimes a revolution occurs not with a roar and a bang, but with a sigh and a wimper.

It's time to start speaking up. Loudly. Bluntly.

Posted by: special_guest [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2008 2:28 AM

This legislation is being brought in by a government which only 21.6% of the electorate voted for. Imagine what they would do if they had a majority.

It makes me wonder what insane mesaures they will try to bring in next. Maybe they'll allow Muslims to build their own ghettos? Oh, I forgot. That's already happening.

I hope Robert takes up my suggestion of putting a Eurabia Doomsday Clock on the DW site. I think that subsidising polygamy would surely move the minute hand closer to midnight.

Posted by: watling [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2008 5:42 AM

In Canada, our politicians have to vote on issues the size of this one. I know our system is based on the English parliamentary system. Is this decision already law? Surely there would have to be a vote by the members of Parliament before it was passed!

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2008 9:42 AM

One of the comments on the Telegraph web page states:

I am Asian and like most Asians have always voted Labour ...

Does anyone still doubt that the government is importing votes? Why else would we have the insanity of almost unrestricted immigration into an already densely populated country where several million are unemployed?

P.S. for American DWers, "Asian" means anyone indigenous to the Indian sub-continent, although if the context relates to a crime then it generally means "Pakistani Muslim".

Posted by: watling [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2008 10:00 AM

"I'm no European basher, and we Yank's have our own problems for sure, but you will never see us allowing polygamy in order to placate Islam. This country would come unglued if they tried it."

Y'know, special_guest, one thing I've learned about life is "never say never."

If you had told me right after 9/11 that I, an American Christian citizen, would be called "hater" "racist" bigot" "hatemonger" etc simply because I disagree that Islam is "peace," - I wouldn't have believed it. Yet, it's true for all of us, the ugly and false name-calling we endure simple because we disagree with islam/mo/koran.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2008 10:07 AM

Las Vegas allows you to bet on almost any possibility. My hypothetical Ben Franklin greenback says we won't subsidize Islamic polygamy in the U.S. in the next 20 years.

Posted by: special_guest [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 4, 2008 1:12 PM


We're already doing it in Minnesota, although not legally but under the table.

Posted by: CGW [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 5, 2008 10:31 AM

Members of the religion of car bombings, honor killings, and polygamy already lead all groups in the number of birth defects and learning disabilities. As the number of polygamous unions rise, so will the increase in birth defects, we see it all the time in pseudo-mormon groups. Pisslam family trees don't branch out, they loop.

There is a reason that part of the world is a sewer.

Dark Wing Duck

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