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Sharia Alert. A "venti" Sharia Alert, with an extra shot of tyranny, and hold the joy, freedom of movement, and free association. From Fox News:
A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is seeking justice after she was thrown in jail by Saudi Arabia's religious police for sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh, according to a report in The Times of London on Thursday.
Yara, who does not want her last name published for fear of retribution, was bruised and crying when she was freed from a day in prison after she was strip-searched, threatened and forced to sign false confessions by the Kingdom's “Mutaween” police, The Times reported.
“Some men came up to us with very long beards and white dresses. They asked ‘Why are you here together?'. I explained about the power being out in our office. They got very angry and told me what I was doing was a great sin,” recalled Yara, who wears an abaya and headscarf, like most Saudi women.
The men were from Saudi Arabia's Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, a police force of several thousand men charged with enforcing dress codes, sex segregation and the observance of prayers.
Yara says she was interrogated, strip-searched and forced to sign and fingerprint a series of confessions pleading guilty to her “crime,” the Times reported.
Yara was visited yesterday by officials from the American Embassy, who promised they would file a report.
Posted by Marisol at February 7, 2008 10:51 AM
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as a woman, living in the usa may not be perfect, but I thank my lucky stars every day that i dont live elsewhere. especially THERE!
maybe that ''american lady'' will want to come home now to where it is normal and sane. look for another job if need be would be my motto.
after reading this story, i feel very sorry for SA women. what they are going though must be horrendus.
Posted by: zionist122
at February 7, 2008 11:01 AM
This story brings to mind another woman visitor to Islamic Starbucks.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-women6jun06,0,5491632,full.story?coll=la-home-center
"Crossing the cafe, I felt the hard stares of Saudi men. A few of them stopped talking as I walked by and watched me pass. Them, too, I ignored. Finally, coffee in hand, I sank into the sumptuous lap of an overstuffed armchair.
"Excuse me," hissed the voice in my ear. "You can't sit here." The man from the counter had appeared at my elbow. He was glaring.
"Excuse me?" I blinked a few times.
"Emmm," he drew his discomfort into a long syllable, his brows knitted. "You cannot stay here."
"What? Uh … why?"
Then he said it: "Men only."
Posted by: interestinconundrum
at February 7, 2008 11:02 AM
Rowan Williams should be spitting mad about this!!! Shouldn't the American woman be allowed to obey whatever law she feels like?
Do something, Your Grace!
Posted by: Greek Fire
at February 7, 2008 11:07 AM
Yara was visited yesterday by officials from the American Embassy, who promised they would file a report.
In the longer version of this story I read yesterday, the Embassy also refused comment, saying that it was an internal Saudi matter.
That report that will be filed will be filed into the round garbage-can-shaped filecabinet.
Posted by: special_guest
at February 7, 2008 11:13 AM
My pity meter is stuck near zero for this person. If she's stupid enough to go to Saudi Arabia not having a clue what kind of country it is, perhaps it's best she stay there where she can't do us any harm.
Posted by: Seymour Paine
at February 7, 2008 12:14 PM
This is unAmerican! It flies in the face of Western Civilization as we know it! It.............
...................oh, yeah. Saudi Arabia. Silly me.
Posted by: tanstaafl
at February 7, 2008 12:15 PM
The Fox News reporter stated, at the end of the piece, that she WANTED TO STAY THERE!
BTW:
Here's the Times of London article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3321637.ece
'Yara, whose parents are Jordanian and grew up in Salt Lake City, once believed that life in Saudi Arabia was becoming more liberal. But on Monday the religious police took her mobile phone, pushed her into a cab and drove her to Malaz prison in Riyadh. She was interrogated, strip-searched and forced to sign and fingerprint a series of confessions pleading guilty to her “crime”.
“They took me into a filthy bathroom, full of water and dirt. They made me take off my clothes and squat and they threw my clothes in this slush and made me put them back on,” she said. Eventually she was taken before a judge.'
The 'Have Your Say' posts are always enlightening.
at February 7, 2008 12:26 PM
So, are the employees at the counter now going to ask if you want imprisonment with your venti caramel frappaccino? One of the stereotypes of American people abroad is that they expected their rights in America to stand in other nations. I wonder if this has any part in her mind. From the original article, it states that it is not uncommon that unrelated men and women would sit in the family section of various shops so as to not be molested by the rather insidious group. I wonder if they weren't tipped off. Maybe by a former employee or even maybe a partner? She also says she plans to stay in KSA and fight this injustice. I just hope she realizes she has already lost. And we all know what happens when you buck the system there.
The TimesOnline article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3321637.ece
at February 7, 2008 12:33 PM
Interestinconundrum,
Thanks for that insightful article by Megan Stack. It does provide much food for thought and reminds me of an incident back in the 80's when I was a young Air Force wife. I remember talking with one of the wives who was about ten years older than me. She worked outside the home while I was staying home raising my kids. This woman was quite intelligent and could be condescending. She was telling me at the time about how excited she was to be moving with her husband and kids to Saudi Arabia. She was telling the other wives present and me about what you had to wear if you wanted to live over there. She described long sleeved blouses, buttoned up to the neck and long, floor length skirts. I asked her, aren't you going to be hot and why do they get to tell you what to do? She looked at me as if she really felt sorry for me for being such an ignoramus. But I remember thinking, and then telling her, that any place where people felt the need to tell me how to dress and how to act was not a place I had any need to go to. This woman was very smug and dismissive in her dhimmitude, and even though I'd never heard the word dhimmitude or dhimmi, I knew she was one and I wasn't. She felt that experiencing that part of the world was worth a little inconvenience. I was probably about 25 years old when this took place but I inherently knew that freedom is something you don't mess around with and you don't voluntarily give away.
I wonder if this woman I knew back then had the same feelings while living under the Saudi thumb that Megan Stack describes in her article? I still have no need to go there but more importantly, I have every need to prevent that kind of mentality from infecting and infiltrating my country.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at February 7, 2008 12:35 PM
Isabellathecrusader said
I still have no need to go there but more importantly, I have every need to prevent that kind of mentality from infecting and infiltrating my country.
I love this sentence. That's it, in a nutshell.
Posted by: special_guest
at February 7, 2008 12:42 PM
"Some men came up to us with very long beards and white dresses. They asked 'Why are you here together?'. I explained about the power being out in our office."
Uh, why is it okay for her to work in the presence of men she is unrelated to but she's not allowed to sit with these same men and drink a cup of coffee? And what was the purpose of the strip search? It seems to me that these arbitrary rules that Islamic clerics, thought police or just any plain old ordinary Muslim guy make up are designed more to humiliate, degrade and make to feel powerless women so that they can feel more manly. What a bunch of pathetic losers.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at February 7, 2008 12:44 PM
Isabellathecrusader; Well said!
I was under the impression that one of the cornerstones of Western corporations going international was the spreading of Western ideas(?)
Doesn't seem to be happening in this case; just the reverse.
You can't make a bull into a heifer...
Starbucks...ptuiii
at February 7, 2008 12:49 PM
Just a little sharia in family law he said.
Posted by: Beagle
at February 7, 2008 12:52 PM
Yara was visited yesterday by officials from the American Embassy, who promised they would file a report.
Why a report? File two, three, or a thousand. Inundate the Saudis with paperwork, that's all the US government is good for.
How about an angry ultimatum from the White House . . . Oh, wait, Georgie is there. Never mind.
at February 7, 2008 12:55 PM
You can't have your cake and it it, too. She should have realized, before starting her business venture, that she will be working in backward, primitive, barbaric, degenerate Saudi Arabia, not Brussels, and that she will be viewed by the locals as a dirty, greedy, unprincipled kuffar. Is the money she's making really worth it? Did she ever bother to open the Qur'an and read the degenerate ravings of the illiterate, immoral, lascivious, slave-trading murderer, pedophile and prophet-pretender who "authored" it, and which governs every aspect of the society into which she fooilshly embedded herself?
Posted by: US_infidel
at February 7, 2008 1:01 PM
Thanks, special guest. It really is it, isn't it? And we really are at a crossroads in this country (the USA) because of the elections and who or what will be guiding us down the path to either dhimmitude or strong defiance over the next decade.
This morning on one of the radio talk shows there was talk about suicide voters, i.e., those Republicans who can't vote for John McCain so they would basically give the election to either Hillary or Obama. And people kept calling and berating these Republicans and acting like it was their fault that we have no choice for President in this election. Well, I am a conservative and because of his voting record there is no way I could support McCain. But am I responsible for that? And if not, who is? Where did this guy come from? A month ago no one was giving McCain the time of day and now he looks like a shoe-in? I am so sick of being asked to vote for the lesser of two evils and to LIKE IT, although there was only one person who I think got it on the Islamic threat to us, and he never had a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected (Tancredo.)
Where is a candidate who understands what we are up against, who has the foresight to do what is necessary to stop the flow of immigrants into this country that intend harm? John McCain is all about amnesty? I wonder if he's read the story that came out about Mexican gangs kidnapping and ransoming (and sometimes killing) Americans from the San Diego area, because these Mexicans know they can get away with it and no one will do a damned thing about it. John McCain! John McCain! Call your office. Do we think Hillary will do anything about it? Naw, she's too busy planning to demand money from your paycheck to pay for her health care scheme and make you feel like a racist or a piece of shit if you don't go along with it. And with Hill, we get Bill. Oh please, don't get me started. And I am very concerned about all the interesting dirt that Pamela over at Atlus Shruggs has been digging up on Obama's Muslim connections. There is way too much there to be a coincidence and to be ignored.
So what do we do? How do we stop Islam from infecting and infiltrating our country when the powers at be and the powers that wanna-be won't even take a look at it?
One other thing, I watched the Jihad Sheilas special from down under the other night on You Tube and it curled my toenails. Knowing what we know from studying at JWU, it is very easy to pick out discrepancies in what these two hefty, be-Hefty bagged convert chicks are saying. Everyone should check this out. Start here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNX8jE182d4
I especially like the part where Raisa, in her very becoming purple trash bag describes one of the Australian agents who came to interview her as looking like she just came from sluts-r-us. Hey, don't worry Raisa, no one would ever accuse you of distracting men.
Sorry, I'm on a roll today.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at February 7, 2008 1:06 PM
Beware of men with long beards and wear white dresses.
Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA
at February 7, 2008 1:42 PM
I think what motivates these self righteous pigs is the strip search..
Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA
at February 7, 2008 1:47 PM
"Yara was visited yesterday by officials from the American Embassy, who promised they would file a report."
The U.S. Embassy in Arabia is such a waste of space. That will show em...Let me know when we refer to Arabia as our enemies and not our "friends".
Posted by: greatcometof1577
at February 7, 2008 1:47 PM
I wonder if she felt like Dorothy?
"Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."
at February 7, 2008 1:56 PM
Parents are from Jordan, raised in Utah. Probably thought with Jordanian heritage, wearing the headscarf, she would be imune from the barbarity. Didn't count on perverts from the religious police wanting to strip search an American woman.
Posted by: Lt. Presley O'Bannon
at February 7, 2008 2:07 PM
"Yara, whose parents are Jordanian..."
I knew from the moment I saw her first name, "Yara", that something was fishy. Then, of course, as a poster noted above, the fact that she likes living in KSA and doing business there, is another alarm bell.
We need to move from pity to apartheid.
Rather than pity the Muslim world victims of Islam, we the West need to move toward isolating the Muslim world in upon itself. Set up an iron curtain -- call it the "Iron Veil" -- all around the Muslim world. Enforce it militarily. Don't allow any Muslims to leave their Dar-al-Islam, and cut off all trade with Islam.
The Dar-al-Islam included behind this Iron Veil can be generously broad: they can have all lands they already have from Indonesia to Morocco. But they must stay there and live with their own poison and not bring it to the world outside.
at February 7, 2008 2:09 PM
I know I have ranted on this before but I have to say it again: These Muslims are as sex obsessed as the Hollyweird culture. Where as we in the USA tolerate six year olds dressed like their moms shop at "Whores R Us" and confuse the ideas of liberty and libertines, these islamic police see SEX EVERYWHERE; even when 2 people are sharing a couple of cups of coffee! Both cultures seem to be steeped in mirror images of an unhealthy preoccupation with sex and both distort our God-given sexuality's true purpose and place in the world.
Posted by: bevc
at February 7, 2008 2:41 PM
Yara was interrogated and strip-searched? What about the men she was with? Why weren't they hauled off and run over the coals? Or are they considered innocent according to "Mutaween" and the moral police?
Islam is so backwards. It's a "sin" to sit at a table with a man you are not married to enjoying a simply cup of coffe & conversation, but it's an act of righteousness to murder the innocent for allah. Islam and it's tenents are sick & bizarre, they are BEYOND sick & bizarre - they're down right demonic & barbaric.
Posted by: champ
at February 7, 2008 3:07 PM
all i can say is after reading THIS is HA HA HA on her!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329605,00.html
Posted by: zionist122
at February 7, 2008 3:31 PM
Idea for cartoon:
Man and a woman sitting very demurely, in any Starbucks, or Dunkin' Donuts, or Kenutcky ?Fried Chicken, or any conceivable restaurant, or park bench, or any possible place where people can sit in public, in a place clearly depicted as Saudi Arabia.
Caption: "We can't go on meeting like this."
Posted by: Hugh
at February 7, 2008 3:40 PM
champ; the last I read was it was one guy, a fellow worker, and he ALSO was arrested, thrown in the slammer, where he still remains.
Posted by: DaninVan
at February 7, 2008 3:53 PM
Remove the petition to remove the illustrations of Muhammad from Wikipedia
petition overview | letter
Target:
To request wikipedia editors to respect other peoples freedom of speech
Sponsored by:
Free People in a Free World
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/removal-of-the-pics-of-muhammad-from-wikipedia
This is to protect anyones right to view images or any entity without influence or threats from religion or government. If said religion or government does not like the content, it is free to not view or to punish it's followers to do the same.
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/02/sign-up.html
Posted by: shiva
at February 7, 2008 3:57 PM
NOW HERE IS THE REAL LINK
Posted by: shiva
at February 7, 2008 4:02 PM
Thanks, daninVan!
Posted by: champ
at February 7, 2008 4:12 PM
I just want to say that I agree 100% with Bevc about them being just as sex obsessed as Americans. No porn allowed, but join the religious police and you'll get cheap nude thrills every day when you're arresting women who dare to step out of line.
Posted by: Lost in the Hazel
at February 7, 2008 4:41 PM
I just read in one news article that her husband says that she is teary and refuses to leave their compound. "Compound" says it all.
at February 7, 2008 4:56 PM
Yara's crime: sitting with a male business partner in the "family-only" section of the Starbucks -- the only area of the café where women and men can sit together. In Saudi Arabia, public contact between unrelated men and women is strictly prohibited.
Hmmm, she was in the back room called the "family room". She made the mistake of sitting with a man to whom she was not related. She wasn't even in the main cafe.
This is what our LLLeft thinks is A-OK, better than Christianity.
at February 7, 2008 7:17 PM
More proof that indeed coffee is bad for your health...;)
Posted by: DaninVan
at February 7, 2008 8:34 PM
Isabella,
I feel your pain, believe me. I guess there's always the write-in option. That's what I intend to do in November, as there is no Republican candidate.
Posted by: Abscedere
at February 7, 2008 9:16 PM
At least three major U.S. companies — including McDonald's, Pizza Hut and Starbucks — are reportedly upholding gender apartheid in their franchise stores in Saudi Arabia.
The companies have made a number of changes to their business practices in "deference" to Saudi customs, including maintaining segregated seating in their restaurants and having separate entrances for women and men.
Starbucks even changed its corporate identity to do business in Saudi Arabia by altering its trademark mermaid logo, because in Saudi Arabia any display of the female form, even as a stylized graphic, is considered indecent.
A U.S. official who recently returned from a tour of duty in Saudi Arabia described the segregated franchises in a letter to the Washington Post last December.
"The men's sections are typically lavish, comfortable and up to Western standards, whereas the women's or families' sections are often run-down, neglected, and, in the case of Starbucks, have no seats," the U.S. official wrote. "Worse, these firms will bar entrance to Western women who show up without their husbands."
Despite public outcry in the U.S., Starbucks — which touts "corporate social responsibility" on its web site, describing the company's philosophy of contributing positively to communities near its franchises — says it will not change the way it does business in Saudi Arabia. "As a guest in any country where we do business, we abstain from interference in local social, cultural and political matters," Peter Maslen, president of Starbucks, said in a public statement.
Activists, on the other hand, point out that religion, customs and "the dictates of society" were used for generations in the U.S. to justify slavery and racial segregation. Many believe that treating women in Saudi Arabia as second-class citizens in the name of local Saudi custom is no different.
Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive and must get a male relative's permission before having surgery, going to college, seeking a job or accepting a marriage proposal. The mutawa, or religious police, patrol the streets and shopping centers looking for anyone breaking the rules. Fifteen Arab school girls died recently in a school fire, reportedly after the religious police prevented their rescue. Why? Because the girls weren't wearing the obligatory head veil, and male firefighters were not permitted to enter the all-girls school.
Activists say that the companies' refusal to desegregate their Saudi Arabia stores proves they are far more concerned with profits than with basic human rights. And Dunkin' Donuts, reportedly, has set an example for the other businesses by refusing to go along with Saudi segregation.
"McDonald's and Starbucks claim to be sensitive to local customs and laws, but they choose to ignore universal human rights laws in favor of the laws of profit," said NOW Executive Vice President Karen Johnson. She added that late last year, Saudi Arabia became a party to the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and acknowledged international criticism of its human rights practices. "We need more than lip service. We need an end to gender apartheid in Saudi Arabia."
NOW urges activists to raise their voices and demand that U.S. companies stop supporting gender apartheid in Saudi Arabia. Remind McDonald's, Starbucks and Pizza Hut of their moral responsibility to incorporate human rights principles into their business practices.
Contact McDonald's at 630-623-3000 or fax 630-623-5004; Pizza Hut at 800-948-8488 or fax 972-338-7780; Starbucks at 206-447-1575, ext. 82900 or fax 206-447-0828.
http://www.now.org/nnt/summer-2002/gender.html
Posted by: cantor
at February 7, 2008 9:34 PM
Hey Miss Cindy,
You know what really ticks me off is that this is such a set up. Where did McCain come from? But just like we don't put up with Muslim victim hood here, why should I feel guilty that my party has elected a candidate that acts and votes in a way that is diametrically opposed to what I believe in? Some idiot said that people who aren't willing to vote for McCain because we don't agree with him 100% are basically a bunch of sore losers. 100%? How about 20%?
You may be onto something though. We still have ten months. What if we could rally around a candidate who would actually do the country some good? What if we could organize a write in campaign that would actually elect somebody we want? What if we had a minor revolution and told the establishment to take their candidate and shove him, we aren't selling out anymore. I believe we could do it. People are that mad enough.
This reminds me of the airline pilot who came on the loud speaker the Saturday after 9/11 and told all the passengers to turn to their right and to their left, and to introduce themselves to each other because for the next few hours they were all going to be a family. He then told them that if they saw any suspicious behavior that they had his permission to pick up whatever was nearest to them, a book, their shoes, pillows, a full plastic water bottle and heave it at the perps head. He said if the passengers would get the guy or guys on the ground, he would land the plane and have the authorities handle it from there.
I remember reading that story and thinking, hmmm, that's right...we don't act like that on an airplane. Well, we don't act like this when it comes to elections, but why can't we? Is our vote worth something or not? And if it is, then we'd better acknowledge it to ourselves and to each other, and not put up with this crap from our so called leaders who seem to be totally willing to sell us out. We are the commodity, not some candidate we don't want and didn't vote for. If we could wrap our heads around that one we can become a force to be reckoned with. I believe we can. And if we do then no 2nd rate, sell-your-soul-for-a-vote politician will want to mess with us and neither will any backasswards Muslims who want you and me to worship their non-god and tell us what to do.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at February 7, 2008 9:51 PM
John Gibson at FNC has his say,
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329725,00.html
at February 7, 2008 11:02 PM
this is very scarey. and at aged 52 i hope i dont live long enough to have to see it happening here in the usa.
i hope someone somewhere has the nerve to stand up and do waht is necessary to stop this from taking over the world, it seems as though this is the way it is moving day-by-day.
the candidates who are running for office have a clue as to what is really happening concerning all this going on.
i do not put much faith into any of them. there is not a good one in the bunch. i dont know why but maybe the good men and people dont want the responsiblity to run for office as the ones who are in the know dont step up to the plate. running this country as a presidential proponent has no one interested. we have to ask ourselves why no one want this job (of any real value)
Posted by: zionist122
at February 7, 2008 11:35 PM
"American Woman Jailed in Saudi Arabia for Sitting With Men at Starbucks"
Well, I always thought the prices that Starbucks charged were criminal but........
BOOM tish
Posted by: ewha1
at February 8, 2008 1:32 AM
Saudi Arabia is the benighted pit on whose territory the ideology of intellectual, moral, and social darkness originated.
For speculation about the malady of the originator that gave rise to the dark ideology, see The Supernatural Basis of Islam By Dr. Koenraad Elst
Posted by: unicorns62000
at February 8, 2008 5:09 AM
Isabellathecrusader,
I know exactly where you're coming from. Once I was offered a lucrative position in Saudi Arabia with an American oil company (participating in Aramco). After hearing about cigarettes being slapped out of Americans' mouths on public streets, that alcohol consumption was a crime, and that the only place safe from Saudi harassment was in the American camps, I asked myself, "Do I need this?"
The answer following this unspoken question was a resounding, "No!" and I turned down the temptation to sell my soul for $$$$.
Again, for more see Sick of the "Sowdis?"
at February 8, 2008 5:22 AM
Unicorns,
My brother in law, who is no longer with us, was offered a lucrative opportunity to go over to work in S.A back in the early 90's. My sister basically said, no way in you-know-where because she wasn't going to live as a second class citizen. He said, A-OK, so they didn't go. (I know you are probably shocked that a sister of mine would be so outspoken.)
So good for you! There are plenty of people with tons of money but no freedom. Money can never replace it. As Mel said in Braveheart, "What will you do without freedom?"
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at February 8, 2008 11:05 AM
"I hope someone, somewhere, has the nerve to stand up and do what is necessary to stop this (islam) from taking over the world..." zionist122
One of my favorite old movies is the politically incorrect film, Zulu.
Soldier on guard: "Why us, sergeant?"
Colour Sgt Bourne: " Because we're here, Lad. No one else. Just us."
at February 8, 2008 2:02 PM
UNICORNS62000:
The website you linked to for THE SUPERNATURAL BASIS OF ISLAM brings one to an alert stating "Blogger is in violation of Google's website terms". Bet that means his posts at "islamic.danger.blog" upset the delicate sensibilities of the dhimmis at Google.
Posted by: bevc
at February 8, 2008 2:39 PM
bevc,
Yes, I am well aware that my original "Islamic Danger" blog was found by Google to be "in violation of Blogger's Terms of Service and is currently "visible to authors only."
I asked the authorities (Googlers) where specifically I had violated sensibilities--with no answer.
As I am an "auhor" of the blog, I can get to it, post, read, and enjoy myself there to my heart's content. I do not know whether the Koenraad Elst article can be reached by regular, normal, law-abiding people. If not, the original can be found at Wahi: the Supernatural Basis of Islam
If you might have noticed, there is that little "Flag Blog" button at the top of all of Blogspot's blogs. If you find the blog contents objectionable, you click on it--Voila! that's all there's to it.
Now imagine the number of Moslems attracted to a blog titled "Islamc Danger" and how many of them find that blog's contents "objectionable."
A la Hydra, "Islamic Danger" (originally founded as a club at Yahoo in 2000 A.D.) has grown into
Islamic Danger FU
Islamic Danger 2U
The Jew in Yellow
Islamic Danger to Bharat (India)
Islamic Danger to Americans
Islamic Danger in History
plus one or two set up outside of the Blogspot-Google empire--just in case.
After eight years in this business, I am not about to quietly fold my tents and steal away.
As long as there is life left in me, I shall continue the struggle for freedom of mind and body.
Thank you bevc for caring.
Posted by: unicorns62000
at February 8, 2008 3:59 PM
MP,
Zulu is one of my all-time favorite films. Not only because of the Stanley Baker - Michael Caine performances plus all the excellent British (and Welsh) character actors, but because it makes no bones about when attacked, one has the right to defend oneself--without being squeamish about killing one's enemies.
The salute of the Zulus to the defenders at Rorke's drift as "fellow warriors' or "braves," I forget which, portrays them as a gallant enemy, not a bunch of howling savages.
The film leaves one admiring the war tactics of the Zulus, their organization, and their willingness to sacrifice warriors to plumb the enemy's strength. Not "our" way, perhaps, but one that had made them victorious all the way to Isandhlwana (masscre of British forces).
An Islamic horde being defeated in this manner, never would have saluted the "infidel" victor, but would have claimed victory no matter what the outcome.
Posted by: unicorns62000
at February 8, 2008 4:18 PM
"...who promised they would file a report."
HoooweEE, I'd hate to be in those Mutaween shoes now...they're gonna get it now! We're gonna FILE A REPORT! Look out!
at February 9, 2008 2:21 AM
"In the longer version of this story I read yesterday, the Embassy also refused comment, saying that it was an internal Saudi matter"
Posted by: special_guest
....if you keep letting Muslims in your country...that internal Saudi matter could be in Plano Texas.....or Waycross Georgia....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at February 9, 2008 12:29 PM
Existential Threat:
Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice
Response:
The Natural Manure of the Tree of Liberty is the blood of Tyrants
at February 10, 2008 12:35 PM
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