"The clergyman was put under police protection last month after receiving death threats following his claims that parts of Britain are 'no-go areas' for non-Muslims." -from article above...

These supposed death threats could only come from enraged Muslims denying there are "no-go areas'. So a month after getting death threats from Muslims, this nitwit calls for the implementation of Sharia in Britain.

He is a coward.

Posted by: jsla at February 8, 2008 1:46 PM

Archbishop of Canterbury Waffling

Posted by: Pelayo at February 8, 2008 1:47 PM

Well, the HTML STRIKE OUT code didn't work.

Posted by: Pelayo at February 8, 2008 1:48 PM

JSLA:

"Meanwhile, the Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, claimed it would be "simply impossible" to introduce sharia law in Britain."

"The clergyman was put under police protection last month after receiving death threats following his claims that parts of Britain are 'no-go areas' for non-Muslims."

The "clergyman" referred to is the Bishop of Rochester, who takes the opposite view from the Archbishop of Canterbury (his superior) on the sharia issue.

Posted by: CTYankee at February 8, 2008 1:54 PM

Their government let them in, so now they have to deal with it. If those regressive onerous barbaric Islamic laws are allowed to reign a parallel society to English Parliamentary laws, then all English society will suffer the consequences of divisiveness and exclusion. Muslim areas are already ‘no go’ in many countries, something Sarkozy must deal with also: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7234088.stm with his plan for Paris suburbs. This goes for all EU states, they let them in, now deal with it. And it won’t be pretty, nor easy, to contain the barbarous Mohammedans inside the gates. Am sure glad there is a hue and cry over this by the other bishops and secular leaders alike.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at February 8, 2008 2:15 PM

"Meanwhile, the Bishop of Rochester, the Rt Rev Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, claimed it would be "simply impossible" to introduce sharia law in Britain."

Really? Realllly? Then why is it happening as we speak?

Posted by: Elric66 at February 8, 2008 2:33 PM

Hold that Lambeth Walk:

http://newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/12767

Then, after he has gone -- for God's sake, Go! -- appoint someone who is his opposite.

Here's an idea: Bishop Nazir-Ali for Archibishop of Canterbury.

Or do you have an objection, and if so, what is it?

Posted by: Hugh at February 8, 2008 2:38 PM

I think the Archbishop has dementia. Somewhere in his job description it must call for him to uphold the Church of England, yet it seems he wants to tear the Anglican church apart! He should be removed as soon as possible and Bishop Nazir-Ali put in his place.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at February 8, 2008 2:42 PM

In an astonishing attack, one senior Church of England clergyman demanded he stepped down immediately and branded him "gullible".

Why is it astonishing? Because it's common sense? Gullible does come to mind. So does goofy.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at February 8, 2008 3:02 PM

A few observations ...

1. Quote from anonymous clergyman / General Synod: "I can only assume that all the Muslims he meets are senior leaders of the community who tell him what a wonderful book the Koran is."

Well, duh. The way you reach the level of "Muslim senior leader of the community" is by being able to lie (taqqiyah) and drink water at the same time, while manipulating a dummy, er, Dhimmi.

2. "The Cabinet minister warned against such a radical legal shake-up in the UK stressing it would be a 'recipe for social chaos.'"

Yeah, but think about the leftovers from that recipe! Murder, Rape, Spousal Abuse, Forced Conversion, Pedophiles with child brides ... a full day's requirement of pain, degradation and death in every mouthful.

3. "According to a youth worker, a group of Somali youths were arrested by police on suspicion of stabbing another Somali teenager.
But the victim's family told officers the matter would be settled out of court and the suspects were released on bail. A sharia court was convened and elders ordered the assailants to compensate the victim."

I wonder ... What's the going rate for Assault With a Deadly Weapon?

4. "The Prime Minister rapidly distanced himself from Dr Williams's view. Gordon Brown's spokesman said: 'Our general position is that sharia law cannot be used as a justification for committing breaches of English law, nor should the principles of sharia law be included in a civil court for resolving contractual disputes.'"

Well that's nice to know. I'd hate to see folks having their heads cut off for drawing cartoons, or being strip searched, beaten and jailed for - Gasp! - drinking espresso in mixed company when the power goes out at work.

5. "Mike Judge, of the Christian Institute, said: 'I am appalled that the head of the Church of England is advocating that parts of sharia law should be introduced into British law. The idea that you can have the moderate bits without the nasty bits coming along at a later time is naive.'"

You got THAT right, brother. Kind of like poison. A glass of Kool-Aid that's 99% punch and 1% Cyanide is still deadly, regardless of the fact that the majority of the contents are flavoring, sugar and water.

Posted by: Lori B. at February 8, 2008 3:19 PM

Where's the baby eating Bishop of Bath and Wells when you need him?

Posted by: Celsius at February 8, 2008 3:28 PM

another Western "elite" in open alliance with islam

Posted by: TINBH at February 8, 2008 3:34 PM

Here's an interview with Archbishop Benjamin Kwashi of Jos in Nigeria, responding to Archdhimmi Rowan Williams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN4lqnJjlvw

Extract:

"...once you ask for the first step of Sharia law you are going to get to the last of it. By 1960 when Nigeria got Independence, it began as penal code. Once it came to this generation they upgraded it to full blown Sharia. So it is only a matter of time when you begin from somewhere that you get to the real thing."

Posted by: DB at February 8, 2008 4:19 PM

The Druid Dr. Williams is getting a hammering in the press and on the streets. He has finally proved that Brits are fed up with Islam.

Meanwhile, Americans adopt Sharia law in Texas. What happened to all the tough talk from americans who complain about Britain?

It's happening in your own yard and non of y'all are doing anything about it?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 8, 2008 4:51 PM

Neville Chamberlin, all over again.

Posted by: wolfman at February 8, 2008 5:16 PM

CTYankee - thank you for the clarification -- I read the passage several times before posting, but determined it was Canterbury and not Rochester being referred to ... I should have looked for the source before posting - -still I think the Archbishop is exhibiting a cringing cowardice. It is barely better to know that one of his peers has been threatened by the same thugs who call for Sharia, and then come out a month later calling for it himself.

Posted by: jsla at February 8, 2008 5:23 PM

From the article:

Shahid Malik, Labour MP for Dewsbury, said: "I haven't experienced any clamour or fervent desire for sharia law in this country.

Blatant Taqqiya on display. We all know that poll after poll has shown, that some 40% of Muslims in the UK, that is those who had the temerity to say so, want shari'a to be adopted in the UK. The true figure is lilely to be 80%. Lie whenever it is convenient to protect Islam.

Posted by: DP111 at February 8, 2008 5:54 PM

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1034869_hospital_porter_fired_in_crucifix_row

Any more on this?

Posted by: Borg at February 8, 2008 6:26 PM

Update: just finished watching a very heated and bad-tempered 'debate' between Tariq Ramadan and Douglas Murray of the Centre os Social Cohesion on Newsnight about the sharia furore, oh, and a soggy Cucumber Sandwich brought in to support the archbish's line. The archbish has been in hiding today; but already there have been those calling openly for his resignation from amongst his own clergy.

Murray (good man) went straight for the jugular with Ramadan accusing him of knowing full well what sharia was. Ramadam, who kicked off, had started to dissemble ('What do we mean? What is sharia? There are sooooo many interpretations') but Murray pushed on, prodding him to reveal the punishment for apostasy. Ramdam continued to dissemble 'there are soooo many ways this is treated' (true: in praxis) but was visibly riled, and his ugly, thuggish side showed. So Murray went on another attack, getting him into a head-lock about the status of female testimony in Islam being worth half a man's; and that 1000 years of British law had articulated the principle of equality before the law.

'Equality before the law - that is OUR sharia!' wailed Ramadan, as he squirmed, though how he could assert this, given that female witnesses and female heirs were worth half that of a male, was clearly fraudulent.

The Cucumber Sandwich (bishop of Hulme)was left to wind up, and he proceeded to excoriate both Murray and Ramadan in a soggy way by saying his master had wished a civilsed debate but now these two were despoiling it...

Tomorrow the Archbish faces a Synod meeting where these matters will certainly be discussed as he faces the wrath of his clergy, who are still reeling in total disbelief, but are coming round to anger and a sense of the acute embarassment he has caused.

I think Ramdan is like a virus. He starts by imitating the host, so their barriers are down. Then he pushes in and takes over their DNA, reproducing his ideas in them. But if the organism is robust and hostile, he can't find a way in and is reduced to a squawling baby.

Posted by: devorgilla at February 8, 2008 6:35 PM

3. "According to a youth worker, a group of Somali youths were arrested by police on suspicion of stabbing another Somali teenager.
But the victim's family told officers the matter would be settled out of court and the suspects were released on bail. A sharia court was convened and elders ordered the assailants to compensate the victim."
Lori B.-

That isn't even a civil matter, which is what they are saying is the only thing that they will cover.... to start.

DB-
Kwashi has been there and sees the truth of what will be.

So it has been, so it will be.

Posted by: Borg at February 8, 2008 6:39 PM

Posted by: devorgilla: I think Ramdan is like a virus. He starts by imitating the host, so their barriers are down. Then he pushes in and takes over their DNA, reproducing his ideas in them. But if the organism is robust and hostile, he can't find a way in and is reduced to a squawling baby.

Excellent.

Posted by: DP111 at February 8, 2008 7:11 PM

If the Church of England wishes to be revived, it will come when someone such as Nazir-Ali is made Archbishop, and then church-going will once again be revived, as a cultural matter, an act of self-defense and solidarity, even by those -- and there are so many -- who are not believers. Oriana Fallaci found herself outraged at the attempt by Italian Muslims to ban the public display of the Crucifix, though a lifelong anticlerical and a lifelong atheist. She understood what was at stake. So may some, or many, "post-Christians" in England. But that revival of the churches will happen only when the rowan-williamses are driven from the temples, and the nazir-alis (who can also be found among clerics who are indigenous Englishmen) are brought in to replace them.

Posted by: Hugh at February 8, 2008 7:31 PM

It is only some (the majority of?)Bishops who take the Dimmi line.

I heard of a meeting with parish clergy when the Bishop started mumbling the "We-must-all-work-together-because-we-are-all-people-of-faith” line. The parish priests most of whom were on the front line of our multicultural society listened quietly then one of them said, “Bishop my hobby is reading science fiction and in science fiction there often plots featuring parallel worlds. Two completely different worlds living side-by-side but ignorant of each other, you are living in a parallel world to us. We live with these people and we can tell you they are not refugees, they are not immigrants, they are colonists.”

I forget whether Bishop replied but I do not think he did

Posted by: Fred at February 8, 2008 7:46 PM

'But that revival of the churches will happen only when the rowan-williamses are driven from the temples, and the nazir-alis (who can also be found among clerics who are indigenous Englishmen) are brought in to replace them.'

I think the bishops that have come in from the non-white, non-English world, like Michael Nazr Ali and John Sentanu have a much clearer grasp of what Christianity faces globally than indigenous comfortable middle class Englishmen, because the latter simply haven't seen the ugly side of Islam and do that British knee-jerk thing of trying to temporise. They seem to resist the injunction of Jesus to stand up to evil, as when he said: Get thee behind me Satan. Because in England's green and pleasant land there has never been much of a need to.

But that might change. Globalisation is blowing in strange winds.

Tonight we also saw Unreported World which showed a horrific account of what Coptic Christians have to endure in Egypt because of Islamism. The reporter was Australian, and clearly secular, but you could see he was gob-smacked (and deeply moved) by what he found there and of the stubborn faith and identity of the Copts.

In Cairo (population 18 million) Christians are reduced to living amongst the city's rubbish, in a slum quarter, hemmed in a segregated from the rest of the city. They actually live in the city's rubbish dump. It is piled high as a house and fills the streets. The Cairenes call them 'the rubbish people'. Rubbish is brought there for them to sort, as it is the only job they can now find. It was the most horrific, most jaw-dropping thing I have ever seen. Rats were everywhere. The stench was overpowering, and the reporter said that it caught the back of your throat and made you cough. Yet amongst this Christians are being forced to live, 24/7, because they have been pushed and pushed until they only place they had to go was the rubbish dump. It is far worse than accounts I have read of the Warsaw ghetto.

The force of this was to make anyone wonder what Islam has against other faiths. I could go on and on, but it was absolutly horrendous.

Posted by: devorgilla at February 8, 2008 8:06 PM

Sharia law enforcement in Britain:

http://www.236.com/news/2008/02/08/christian_leader_asks_brits_to_4246.php

Christian leader asks Brits to submit to Allah and no, Allah is not the name of a beer - a pictorial.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at February 8, 2008 10:04 PM

The jerk looks like a disheveled Bowery bum and is less coherent.

I may be a damned unbeliever but you can believe me when I tell you that a church headed by a treasonous suicidal idiot of this magnitude cannot survive. Nor would it deserve to.

If a church cannot identify, cling to and assert its very own moral standards it has no claim to being a church.

They have GOT TO get rid of this creature if they are to have any possibility of carrying their faith and ritual into even the next generation -- forget about the next century.

Posted by: joeblough at February 9, 2008 12:45 AM

Joeblough,

As an Episcopalian, a.k.a Anglican, my opinion of your opinion is that you are right on all counts!

I've heard whining homilies about how our Church is dying. Well, this kind of Rowan Williams crap is exactly why!

Of course, at the time I heard one of these sermons, it was in opposition to the promotion of Gene Robinson (openly gay, and not celibate). I was so disappointed in our Reverend that day.

I wonder what he would have to say about this insanity. I'll bet he will say nothing.

Before certain trolls leap upon this and ask me why I am in this church, blah, blah, blah, I offer a preemptive answer. I go to church to worship God, not the priest. My God is not Allah, and I have no interest in changing that fact, no matter how flawed my church (a human institution after all) may be.

That said, I must agree that the Archbishop is a very dangerous and deluded man.

Posted by: Abscedere at February 9, 2008 12:40 PM

Can I send an absentee/postal vote for this guy as dhimmi internationale for this year?

I will probably be in antartica when it is on next.

Posted by: payingattention at February 9, 2008 4:02 PM