Well, as long as the little lad is given good nurturing, taken away from the islamic ideology then he should grow up to be a good person. Remember that the Pope was press ganged into the Hitler youth, and now he is the head of the Catholic church.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at February 10, 2008 3:57 PM

The hopeful line in this story is this;"She could not bear the thought of losing a son as
well as her husband, so worried family members pulled all their resources together and paid for him to be spirited out of Afghanistan to
escape the clutches of evil Taliban leaders."

It is always good to see humanity assert itself against diabolical evil.

Posted by: stickman at February 10, 2008 4:16 PM

"closely monitored..."
-- from the article above

Imagine that you have a son, or daughter, attending the same school as this 12-year-old Afghani boy. How would you feel? Might you be at all anxious? Should you, should your child, should all of your child's relatives, have to worry, every single school day? Should you have to worry that some older Muslim will befriend this boy, despite his being, we are assured "closely monitored" (and what will that cost British taxpayers?), and perhaps persuade him that the road to Paradise remains fixed -- see here, see right here in the Good Book -- and if that young boy wishes to see his father again, in the Muslim Paradise, he could do no better than to remove a fewww of his non-Muslim classmates from the face of the earth?

Care to take that chance with your children? No? Wh not? And if not, then what do you intend to do about it, what pressure do you wish to exert, what rage do you wish to express, so that those who ghought this was a bright idea never again have the chance to inflict their bright ideas, about Muslims and Islam, on those to whom they owe a duty, the duty to protect?

Posted by: Hugh at February 10, 2008 4:54 PM

Here we have the makings of an Mohammedan soap opera. I'm certain Old Blighty will clutch him to her bosom like a long lost son

Posted by: dennisw at February 10, 2008 7:02 PM

Could someone explain why, exactly, any Pakistani who can come up with airfare is let into Britain?

We could follow that up with: why, exactly, are the EU nations apparently importing Muslims as fast as they can cram them aboard incoming planes and boats, despite knowing what should by now be obvious to all: importing Muslims to the West is the cultural equivalent of Cleopatra's clasping the asp to her bosom ???

Hugh- yes, it is becoming increasingly evident: the so-called "leaders" of the European nations have totally abandoned the idea that they have a duty to protect the welfare of their citizens. They say they need new workers to provide tax money for services which will be required by their aging citizens; then I read about welfare standards being relaxed so that the multiple wives (and their offspring) of the new immigrants will be covered. Whose welfare are these nations really worrying about? NOT their citizens. WHY NOT? Every Joe, Francois, and Hans in Europe should be bombarding their elected officials with complaints about their governments' skewed priorities.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at February 10, 2008 7:56 PM

"But after weeks of secret training the boy blurted out to his mother what he was doing. She could not bear the thought of losing a son as well as her husband, so worried family members pulled all their resources together and paid for him to be spirited out of Afghanistan to escape the clutches of evil Taliban leaders."

Forgive me for being so cynical, but isn't this the perfect cover story for infiltrating a jihadist bomber into western countries that melt in sympathy at the sight of adolescent "victims" from the third world?

Posted by: sheik yer booty at February 10, 2008 8:02 PM

Sheik,

I forgive you.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at February 10, 2008 9:36 PM

"Care to take that chance with your children? No? Wh not? And if not, then what do you intend to do about it,...."

The boy is a child who has found himself in Britain. Britain is a civil society and therefore it must exercise a duty of care for the child. It could just simply wack him on a plane home so he can fulfil his Taliban designed destiny. Doing the right thing is sometimes not easy , it carries a cost and risk. Keeping a child safe and well is the right thing. Secondly not caring to 'take a chance' with your children can reach absurd hysterical levels. Judging from recent events involving schools - do we ban: all firearms?( Ok the UK has already done that) , all violent movies, all violent video games , all Angry Korean's who refer to themselves a Ishmael...(assumably he's read Moby Dick). I find is rather heartless ( and counter productive) that we question this attempt to SAVE a young boy from certain death by the agents of an ideology that we are at war with.

Posted by: David Xavier at February 10, 2008 9:48 PM

Why can't western countries muster up the will to eject such utterly undesirable illegal aliens. Ship him to some Gulf oil state so some oil rich parasite can pay his way.

Posted by: Dumbo at February 10, 2008 11:07 PM

The poor boy didn't want to be suicide bomber, he was absolutely terrified of the Taliban. Their death threat makes him an asylum seeker, and hopefully a muslim who in the future will speak up against jihad. Give the kid a chance!

Posted by: Lili at February 10, 2008 11:42 PM

Or even better: an ex-muslim who decides to leave the ideology behind.

Posted by: Lili at February 10, 2008 11:43 PM

Tell me what is there to investigate? Deport them now!

Posted by: Infidel1099 at February 11, 2008 1:07 AM

I don't know David...If it was your child assigned a seat next this kid, who could still be ready to martyr himself, and may have been approached by others to do just that, and maybe the class room is a dandy target. If you knew all that, what would your opinion be then? Protective? Over protective, or not protective at all? I think I would eliminate the risk by being over protective which I would not see as over protective at all, but good common sense...Let others risk their child for some vague principal, but my child is out of there...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 11, 2008 1:50 AM

A 12 year old? He's rather old by terrorist standards - by those terrorists who seek and train children. I thought they targeted toddlers in training pants to do their dirty work.

Child abuse sure runs rampant in Islamaland. Mohammad's legacy of abuse lives on. How very sad.

Posted by: champ at February 11, 2008 1:58 AM

" I don't know David...If it was your child assigned a seat next this kid, who could still be ready to martyr himself, and may have been approached by others to do just that, and maybe the class room is a dandy target."

Hey , if my boy was even in the same class as these kid , I would think I was a complete failure as a parent. Lets face it a kid from rural Afghanistan...we talking 'remedial' everything. I think interaction with humanity in general provides risk - ask James Bulger parents ( he was a 2 year old killed by two 10 year old in Britain 15 years ago).

That a child was provided rudimentary training as a bomb mule doesnt exactly translate into suicidal tendancies or a moral deficency - especially since his mother/family , who have a greater influence over him , were so against it. What's more the authorities know about him..generally its the one's you dont know about. The kids who are killing pets and building gun collections and writing morbid plays that reflect their own sociopathy , they are the greater risk. I think you have to consider the number of Children in Britain murdered by other kids verses Children in britain killed by Terrorism.

Posted by: David Xavier at February 11, 2008 4:09 AM

Calling all citizens of planet Earth:

No job?
Poor housing?
Poor education?
No running water?
Food scarce?
Oppressive regime?
Don't feel like working?

Then simply hide in a lorry bound for the UK.

We'll house you, feed you, educate you and give you money. We'll even give you directions to the nearest mosque.

All at our expense!

You don't even need to speak English as we'll pay for an interpreter!

Muslims especially welcome!

Scheme fully approved and supported by Gordon Al-Broon, Ken Al-Livingstone and the Grand Mufti of the UK: Rowan Al-Williams.

Posted by: watling at February 11, 2008 5:56 AM

He's the Manchurian Candidate, Islamisized! How many more are being hatched by these evil fiends. Where is a super hero when we need one? allah and mohammed his prophet are the source most of the world's misfortune.

Posted by: David England at February 11, 2008 6:31 AM

"The boy is a child who has found himself in Britain. Britain is a civil society and therefore it must exercise a duty of care for the child. It could just simply wack him on a plane home so he can fulfil his Taliban designed destiny. Doing the right thing is sometimes not easy , it carries a cost and risk. Keeping a child safe and well is the right thing."
-- from a posting above

How did this "boy" (a 12-year-old, trained to be a suicide bomber, is not quite an ordinary "boy") come to have "found himself in Britain." That was a step taken, a very serious step, by British authorities. Was there nowhere in the whole wide vast world of Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or anywhere else in the Muslim-ruled lands, where this boy could live? He had to be taken to Great Britain? It was the Infidel Man's Burden, yet again, as if the assumption of that Burden, over the past few decades, had not already led to an unsettling and dangerous, and inexorably more unsettling and dangerous, situation in Great Britain and many other parts of the West?

"Britain is a civil society and therefore it must exercise a duty of care for the child." The telltale use, incorrect use, of a legal-sounding phrase -- that "duty of care" (hell, why not go all the way and phrase it as "duty of due care") attempts to hide the illogicality of the phrase. Because country X is "a civil society" therefore country X must invite it, must care for, must put smack in the middle of the school system, someone who was raised up not in an alien creed, but in a hostile and an alien creed, and raised up not only in a hostile and an alien creed, but taught to believe in the concept of the "martyr" whose surest path to Paradise is the killing of Infidels. That he didn't want, in the end, to do it, that his mother wished to prevent it -- does that mean he should be taken off, from rural Afghanistan right to the advanced (becoming less advanced every day) West? Is that the only conceivable outcome? No where else to go?

Your focus is entirely on the Afghani boy, on what the "civil society" of Great Britain -- a society, to the extent that it is a "civil society," owes its legal and political institutions that allow it to be called a "civil society," to slow development, over time, that comes out of ideas, and a faith, quite different from Islam. If one were to follow your logic, why stop with this boy? Why not take all the boys and girls -- innocents, aren't they? -- right out of war-torn Afghanistan, and war-torn Iraq, and any place that Muslim misrule, that the failures of Muslim societies, and the promptings of Muslim ideology, erupt in violence -- and bring them to be parcelled out to schools all over Great Britian, that "civil society," and if there are too many to accommodate, then all over the countries of Western Europe, and North America too. For, after all, they are all, all of them, "civil societies."

Because, you see, that is the duty of the advanced, non-Muslim West. Not to save itself. Not to prevent decline, and degringolade. No, only to dilute itself, and to cause further trouble for the indigenes, who have just had it too good -- what with a relative absence of the political, economic, social, moral, and intellectual failures that characterize Muslim states and peoples, and all of which failures can be related to Islam itself.

This is the kind of attitude that helps to destroy societies. A limitless, and diseased sympathy, that lessens social cohesion, that undoes the very idea of this or that nation-state, that throws out or overlooks everything in a kind of rowan-williamsish false benevolence that, in the end, would lead to disaster.

For what if, and it is possible, the advanced states of the West ceased to be powerful, and ceased to be advanced? What if, from within, they were on constant edge, their legal and political institutions constantly being subject to every kind of Muslim challenge? What if their social arrangements were slowly undone to conform to Muslim demands --- see Rowan Williams, defiant and a careerist, who will not, will not, will not admit, much less truly recognize, the idiocy and the cruelty of his suggestions.

What if, not the United States, but Saudi Arabia, were to have more influence in the world, or a group of countries (their national boundaries largely irrelevant) where the prevailing doctrine was like that in Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or Sudan, or Pakistan? Yes, what if Great Britain slowly, inexorably, came to look, through demographic conquest, more like Pakistan? What would happen to science, art, whatever it is that makes the West the West?

Is there no duty of Western man to himself, to minimally protect, at this point, himself? Is there some kind of duty, whenever Muslim societies are troubled or dangerous for their own inhabitants -- 150 million people live in dangerous, impossible Pakistan right now -- to bring them in, to give them shelter for their lives, and somehow to manage to fit them in, and pretend that this will have no effect on the country that took them in? And are you so certain that the ideology of Islam cannot come back, cannot be akin, in some people, akin to a dormant virus that, later, can come alive for all kinds of reasons, including nothing much more uncommon than personal setbacks, individual desarroi?

Posted by: Hugh at February 11, 2008 7:13 AM

All the way from Afghanistan. Why why why, without fail, do they always end up in Britain? Surely there was a closer country which would have been suitable. He won't be influenced away from those beliefs. He's in Shipley. He'll be surrounded by extremist muslims in that area. It's not very far from where the 7/7 bombers came from.

I used to live in an area which was very racially mixed. It was fine. Then someone decided it would be just the right place to dump all the muslim "asylum seekers". They were all men. No women or children. Did they drop their backward ways and become part of Britain? No. They stood on the streets in gangs and hassled any woman who walked past, demanding sex. Assuming any woman not covered from head to toe, or walking without a man must be a prostitute, or at least up for having sex with any man who wanted it. When one woman complained she was told it was a cultural difference and she should be more understanding. She was also told she might find it easier if she didn't have blond hair. This was in Coventry. A place never noted in the media for muslim extremism, because this is just normal muslim behaviour. I am now in Gloucester, surrounded by an increasing number of Burkas. This is also a place not known for muslim extremism, just normal muslim behaviour.

You may think I'm straying off the point, but I just wanted people to understand that this is the situation he will be growing up in. A muslim boy surrounded by muslims. He will not grow up to be a better person.

I am also sick of the constant bashing of British people in the comments section of any stories about Britain (it may not have happened so far in this section but it always does). If the government or the media say something, it doesn't mean that's how the British people feel. In fact it's usually the opposite. To judge the thoughts of the British people on what you read in British newspaper reports shows incredible ignorance. It would be the same if we thought all Americans believed George Bush was intelligent and understood world politics. I hope this is not the case.

Posted by: calum at February 11, 2008 7:41 AM

Advice for those in the Third World planning to come to the UK to live on welfare:

1. Practise looking scared and vulnerable (the Shrek "Puss in Boots" look is perfect)
2. Don't eat or wash for a day or two beforehand so you'll have no trouble looking hungry and dirty
3. Dress in shabby clothes
4. DO NOT speak any words of English EXCEPT "asylum" - this one word is your ticket to free housing, free education and bucket loads of cash
5. Make sure you get your sob story straight before you arrive - something as simple as "I'll be killed if I go back" will do
6. Say you're a Muslim even if you're not. The Prime Minister, Gordon Al-Broon, loves Muslims
7. Once you've arrived, if you get any grief from the locals, call the police and quote the magic code word "BNP". The police will come and arrest every white person in the area
8. Request that you live in a town having a New Labour member of parliament

Posted by: watling at February 11, 2008 8:19 AM

from above

"Britain is a civil society and therefore it must exercise a duty of care for the child." The telltale use, incorrect use, of a legal-sounding phrase -- that "duty of care" (hell, why not go all the way and phrase it as "duty of due care") attempts to hide the illogicality of the phrase. Because country X is "a civil society" therefore country X must invite it, must care for, must put smack in the middle of the school system, someone who was raised up not in an alien creed, but in a hostile and an alien creed, and raised up not only in a hostile and an alien creed, but taught to believe in the concept of the "martyr" whose surest path to Paradise is the killing of Infidels. That he didn't want, in the end, to do it, that his mother wished to prevent it -- does that mean he should be taken off, from rural Afghanistan right to the advanced (becoming less advanced every day) West? Is that the only conceivable outcome? No where else to go? "

Is that the only conceivable outcome? To send a boy at the mercy of the Taliban to the advanced West? Of course not , but it’s the one Britain has to deal with. Britain didn’t “invite it” , “it” the boy, was smuggled into the country and therefore Britain is obligated to care for him. Why Britain , maybe because of past colonial ties, has a national health service and great welfare - who knows. You know as well as anybody that suicide bombers are merely mules that must be enabled , and a 12 year old poses no threat as he is far from these enablers and in State supervised care. He is also a child , so the rationale for martyrdom may have always be ‘unconvincing’ to him. What can be taught can be un-taught , what perverse training given can have been unwanted , there is such a thing as innocence. Britain is a civil society in that if a child is found without guardians , in the streets of its cities , it will care for this child. Part of this care would be ensuring the child’s human rights are met, and one of these rights would be to an education.

I don’t believe a single boy will result in the ‘butterfly effect’ decline of Western Civilization nor is Islam akin to a dormant virus , lying in wait until the “urge to kill” trigger occurs. Once the boy got smuggled into Britain , the die was cast . Though , if all it takes to get into Britain is to hide in the back of a truck then ‘smuggled’ really starts to corrode into ‘ invited’ ...nope, I wont go there.

Posted by: David Xavier at February 11, 2008 9:13 AM

Whatever the truth about the child he is a kid and yes as a civilised country we should give him a chance.

Were he one trained from birth to be a terrorist I would say send him back but this case does not sound like he was indoctrinated in that manner - but rather an intensive training which obviously he had some resistance to as he confided in his mum.

Either his story is true or he is a terrorist plant, either way we know of the potential damage he could cause and he can be kept tabs on.

If he grows up in a country like Britain where he can see that non muslims are not evil, if he ends up speaking out about Jihad when he is more mature his story could make a big difference to many muslims who could be persuaded out of potential terrorist activity in the future.

To coin a phrase from Knight Rider "One man can make a difference" and this is one immigrant that as a tax payer I am happy to give a chance to providing he is monitored.

Posted by: somerandomdude at February 11, 2008 1:19 PM

Before this boy can be trusted society needs more than an 'I'll be good'. I worked for over twenty years in California's state hospitals, and I can't count the number of times I have heard, 'I'll be good'. The fact is that when certain ideas are presented, real or imaginary, in a dramatic manipulative way, they are never out of ones head.
The most dangerous person in an institution is one who says, 'don't worry, I won't hit you'.
ALERT TIME...It's in his head to hit you, and in spite of the fact he said he won't, he probably will. This boy needs deprogramming of some workable type and he should be monitored closely so that the enemies of freedom don't get hold of him, and hit all his triggers. He should maybe be in a locked facility until he can be properly evaluated and treated...In lots of ways it is unfair to him to be running loose...

Posted by: duh_swami at February 11, 2008 1:42 PM

This muslim punk should be deported. Muslims are the enemy, remember?

Posted by: mike trivisonno at February 12, 2008 12:34 PM

Aw shucks,

Taliboy is just another misunderstood young man whose parents decided to send him to the land of the infidel because she did not want him to become a martyr (read murderer). Thats refreshing, because I thought that was the reason most people of this ilk came here.

We do not mind paying for his rehabilitation or his clothing (minus suicide vest) or his housing et al.

After all we are just paying another form of Jizya in keeping with our status.

Send him to a friendly country like Saudi Arabia or the Netherlands or Germany or........Sorry I forgot we are now part of Eurabia.

Better still: send him to live with Archdhimmi Williams, hopefully he will revert to his previous state and give the church of england a little reminder of the "religion of peace"

Alluha shitbar

Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 13, 2008 10:51 AM