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Cultural Collapse Update: First there were the Dutch Catholics who renamed Lent "Christian Ramadan," and now this. From the Brussels Journal:
Le Salon Beige, a French blog, received an email from a reader who took his children to visit the Basilica of Saint Denis, near Paris, where the kings of France are buried. The blog writes:He was surprised by the brochure entitled "Tour of Discovery for the Young":First, on page 8, he read: "Dagobert, the first king buried in Saint-Denis. [...] A contemporary of Mohammed, Dagobert was King of the Franks from 629 to 639."
Then, on page 9, [...] "In the Bible we find the story of the Angel Gabriel, the very one who would bring the Koran to Mohammed, who announces to Mary, a young girl engaged to Joseph, that she will soon give birth to a son named Jesus."
It seems that Christianity is being explained and taught only in relation to Islam. It is as if young people in France can only relate to Christianity through references to Islam.
Also, if this text is taking it for granted that the Gabriel who appeared to Mary is the same Gabriel who brought the Qur'an to Muhammad, it has essentially become a Muslim text already. Because what Gabriel told Mary in a Muslim context is radically different from what Gabriel told Mary in a Christian context.
Posted by Robert at February 27, 2008 8:05 AM
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Gabriel did not visit Mohammed. That is a lie. Mo plagiarized from the Bible and the Torah to add authority to his own message - one of unending hate and bigotry and murder and spread by the sword.
Posted by: darcy
at February 27, 2008 8:44 AM
We are not just seeing 'cultural collapse' - it is the collapse of what we might have defined as 'truth'. When all beliefs become relative, in a multi-cultural society, then almost inevitably the one benchmark for referencing the available data, is the belief system which shouts the loudest, and which is the most aggressive in demanding appeasement to its viewpoint. Thus Christian truth becomes relative to the dominant muslim ideology - and in the UK we have female muslim physiotherapist students who will not 'touch' male patients. Even healthcare is being redefined by this poisonous and pervasive system.
Posted by: Kev
at February 27, 2008 8:48 AM
The French have gone "fou" - crazy.
Remember that scene in "Casablanca" in Rick's Cafe where the Nazi officers are behaving all high-and-mighty and rude and belligerent and someone says, "Play the Marsellaise." As the French national anthem is played everyone stops and the French stand and sing with tears glistening in their eyes - from pride.
No more.
Posted by: darcy
at February 27, 2008 9:02 AM
France will, by their own desire, be the first nation sudbued by islamo nazism. I feel sorry for all those Christians and Christian buldings in there.
They don't realize that destroying their Christian fabric is destroying the Only Transcendental Power (Jesus Christ) able to withstand islamic barbarism.
Au Revoir, France!
Posted by: Crusader
at February 27, 2008 9:07 AM
There are serious problems with the authenticity of France's intellectual community if history and Christianity are being explained and taught only in relation to Islam.
Muhammad plagiarized from Christianity and Judaism and then invented his own false religion, Islam.
Islam's relevance in the world should not require Christian intellectuals in France to re-write their own history books to allow Muslim apologetics explain important events and important historical figures in relation to Islam.
Relating history and refrences to Christianity through references to Islam is clearly not the way to educate French youths.
The French are succumbing to Islam's intellectual jihad.
How pathetic.
at February 27, 2008 10:20 AM
I was waiting for this;
Rules of Propaganda
1. The rule of simplification: reduce all data to simple confrontation between "good & bad", "friend & foe".
2. The rule of disfiguration: discrediting the opposition by crude smears & parodies.
3. The rule of transfusion: manipulating the consensus values of the target audience for one's own ends.
4. The rule of unanimity: presenting one's viewpoint as if it were the unanimous opinion of all right thinking people: drawing the doubting individual into agreement by the appeal of star-performers, by social pressure and by "psychological contagion"
5. The rule of orchestration: endlessly repeating the same messages in different variations and combinations.
(Dr) Goebbels
One of the more insidious forms of propaganda, however is that where the true sources of information are hidden (or ignored) from the recipients and propagators alike. This genre of so-called "covertly directed propaganda" aims to mobilise a network of unsuspecting "agents of influence" who pass on the messages as if they were acting spontaneously. By feigning a coincidence of views with those of the target society, which (that) it seeks to subvert. By pandering to the proclivities of key individuals, it can suborn a dominant élite of opinion makers by stealth.
Posted by: ericthekuffar
at February 27, 2008 10:26 AM
this is just sad
of course, we're seeing similar things in the US with the pronouncements that islam had a profound effect on even our nation's founding....um, no it didn't unless you count the founding of the Marines due to the barbary (moslem) pirates
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical
at February 27, 2008 10:46 AM
One of the many "fruits" of relativism and liberal theological teaching
Pretty soon they will be calling for a seperate sharia law system to be more inclusive.... ow, hold on a second.... they are already doing that in England....
Posted by: adobe
at February 27, 2008 10:58 AM
St. Denis is where the kings of France are buried. It is now in the middle of a Muslim district, and visitors will be startled to find themselves en plein Marrakech, and no doubt disturbed as well. It would be as if one went to visit the bridge at Concord, and found on both banks a busy souk, with hawkers of rugs telling you that you really must examine their wares, and eyeing you with hostility if you dare to bargain, and with hatred if you refuse to buy their wares, and where the Old Manse now stands, where once Emerson and, briefly, Hawthorne and his wife lived, instead there was a mosque, and a bristling minaret, from whose height the electronic voice of a muezzin's wail carried over the bridge, and the graves of the British soldiers, and the obelisk erected in 1836, and the statue of the Concord Minuteman by Daniel Chester French (his very first commission), and all the way across the river, and up the hill -- the muezzin's wail, the towering minaret, all covering the scene to which the rude bridge that arch'd the flood is now, just like the kings of France at St. Denis, merely a minor afterthought.
Posted by: Hugh
at February 27, 2008 11:33 AM
Talk about over-generalization = lie. He deduces the whole education of religion from one brochure at a tourist trap?
Posted by: Dumbo
at February 27, 2008 11:40 AM
Crusader said:
"They don't realize that destroying their Christian fabric is destroying the Only Transcendental Power (Jesus Christ) able to withstand islamic barbarism."
Truer words were never spoken!
The Holy ground that St. Denise sits upon is now largely surrounded dirty, post-industrial, Mohammedan 'immigrant' neighborhoods. St. Denis was once not only 'burial place of kings' but the birth place of the great architectural flowering that is referred to as "French Gothic" - the earthly expression of human aspiration for the divine – the only God of the Universe not some Arabic moon spirit called ‘Allah’. St. Denis: a flower now crushed beneath the heal of its barbarous modern inhabitants. What a tragic end for such a noble edifice! Au Revoir, indeed!
at February 27, 2008 12:21 PM
Dumbo - Is the kaaba a tourist trap?
The Basilique de St. Denis is a consecrated building of great historical interest for those of us who value French culture. I'm not Catholic, nor am I French, but to dismiss it in such a cavalier fashion gives an indication of how you've come by your dhimmi watch alias.
at February 27, 2008 1:00 PM
The French are petrified.
Not just in the way of cowards, but also in the way of being a fossilized remnant of something extinct.
Many years ago, in order to perpetuate the fiction that France still matters, and especially to protect their language from the avalanche (irony) of unclean words seeping into everyday parlance (irony), the silly French actually wrote and enacted laws which made the introduction of terms such as microprocessor and Big Mac into the French language against the law.
Being congenitally arrogant and doctrinaire (irony) about everything, the French are also the main force behind the foisting of the anti-democratic EU boondoggle on Europe at large. Recently this unelected body of elites decided to "integrate" the seething Muslims of Europe by promoting the lunatic fantasy and big lie that Islam has played a central and positive role in the history of Europe. This hideous distortion of reality is what is on display in these mendacious tour pamphlets.
Expect more of this criminal revisionism in the days ahead as Europe surrenders to the sewage of Islam with France leading the way.
Posted by: jsla
at February 27, 2008 3:22 PM
The mandatory belief in the doctrine of multiculturalism is the civic religion of western elites both in North America and in Europe. Those of us who refuse to put a pinch of incense on the multi-culti altar are regarded as primitives. If we actively work against it, we are labeled as evil. Challenging the holy doctrine of diversity is the intellectual equivalent of throwing a rock at a hornets' nest.
Posted by: MP
at February 27, 2008 4:22 PM
Wow. Sad, for sure. Can we please not do that here?!?!?!
Crusader, you are right. But France bid adieu to Jesus Christ a long time ago. In a way, it's amazing they lasted this long. How long do we have in the US??
However, on a personal level, I feel more sorry for the mentally-imprisoned, hate-saturated, lie-immersed muslim than for a truth-bearing Christian.
Posted by: thatisall
at February 27, 2008 4:38 PM
MP,
One brochure at a site hardly makes for a generalized rule about all Europe, that is my point. I've worked making tourist brochures up, in upstate NY, and the better places would have separate brochures aimed at all sorts of target groups like Canadians (French and English), people from NYC, blacks, and even gays.
at February 27, 2008 4:59 PM
The French had better start clearing out their cathedrals, their art galleries and museums, their palaces and universities, of all the paintings and sculptures and scientific accomplishments that make up French culture, and moving it all to a safe place, out of France.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi
at February 27, 2008 5:51 PM
More apt:
"Mosque" is a French word for the places where Muslims hide weapons and pretend are equivalent to Christian churches, Jewish synagogues or Hindu temples.
Alors! Alors! The French need to beware.
http://www.last.fm/music/Dumas/+videos/+1-Qxz_PcQuqUE
The invasion begins with such silent revisionism as this guidebook.
Orwell understood that the corruption of the mind begins with the debasing of the language.
And by insinuating the illegitimate into the familiar.
Islam: Les Fleurs du mal.
at February 27, 2008 11:51 PM
Q: "Will you let them burn the town down!?
A: "I haven't a man who's afraid to go."
..... by the rude bridge that arch'd the flood
their flag to April's breeze unfurled
here once the embattled farmers stood
and fired the shot heard 'round the world.
Hugh! From your description of that sacred place where the American Revolution began, I infer that you have actually been there! I, too, have stood upon that holy ground, all "dressed up," along with my armed fellows, and along with them, I fired my musket at those damned Bloodybacks! Bloody lobsters!!
Your description of a Muslim Concord is profoundly desturbing to me. I pray it will never come to pass!!
God! How I wish more of us could recapture the intrepid spirit and clarity of vision of those brave militiamen of April 1775.
WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS WORTH DEFENDING.
at February 28, 2008 1:03 AM
"you have actually been there!"
-- from a posting above
I visit the rude bridge from time to time. Emerson's words on the obelisk are not the only ones easy to remember, hard to forget. There are also the lines written by James Russell Lowell, engraved on stone, in honor of the three British soldiers buried beneath:
"They came three thousand miles and died,
To keep the past upon its throne.
Unheard beyond the ocean tide,
Their English mother made her moan."
Here’s a previous posting around and about James Russell Lowell:
“Note that the hymn discussed above by several posters -- "Once To Every Man and Nation" -- has been alluded to, even quoted from, twice before at Jihad Watch, First, at 11:41 a.m. on October 29, 2004, and at 2:36 p.m. on November 8, 2005 (google "Posted by Hugh" and "Once to Every Man and Nation").
Furthermore, the American writer of that hymn's words, James Russell Lowell (whose former mansion, Elmwood, was left to Harvard to be used as the official residence of its president), in 1884 gave a speech, the "Inaugural Address on Assuming the Presidency of the Birmingham and Midland Institute, Birmingham, England, 6 October, 1884" which contained this sentence:
"The world, on the contrary, wakes up, rubs its eyes, yawns, stretches itself, and goes about its business as if nothing had happened."
Those who read with attention will have noted that on February 9, 2006 at Jihad Watch a piece was put up with this title: "The world yawns, stretches, begins to open its eyes." I had assumed Robert had chosen to allude to James Russell Lowell deliberately, as part of the game of back-and-forth allusion that sometimes is indulged in, and had only been waiting for the right moment, after a long pause, to hit the shuttlecock back over the net.
But I asked him about this, and he says he did not have Lowell in mind, and thought the phrase he used was his. Years ago, possibly even as a bookish child, he may have read it, filed it away, and then it came out, close but not verbatim, decades later.
A bit more on the theme of James Russell Lowell:
The 2002 winner of the MLA James Russell Lowell prize, incidentally, won for her "Cervantes in Algeria" which is about his life in Algeria, where he lived as a Christian slave for a Muslim master for five years.
The Mashtots Professor of Armenian Studies (and master of Russian as well) at Harvard is the learned James Russell (but not James Russell Lowell). Nothing in common, save for the Armenian money that endowed both chairs, with the Gulbenkian Professor at Columbia, the comical Hamid Dabashi.
James Russell Lowell's "Once to Every Man and Nation," is now sung all over the world, and with special fervor in private school chapels in New England: Exeter, Andover, St. Grottlesex. Or at least, once upon a time, it was.”
[Posted by: Hugh at February 14, 2006 4:36 PM]
Posted by: Hugh
at February 28, 2008 1:32 AM
La France, ton cafe fout le camp......
Churches are empty in France. Nicalas Sarkosy the other day said that a teacher will never replace a priest and a child needs both .
It was not a welcome speech.
France is glued to its laicity and this is just what all the little Mohamed are taking advantage of....
I heard the other day a pastor from Dallas requesting missionaries..... for France.
Are the Americans going to save the French once again..... ?
Posted by: Tartine
at February 28, 2008 9:34 AM
This is just about the saddest news item that I've ever read here. I know what's happening in Europe these days, but this really puts in perspective just how much we've allowed this barbaric creed to subvert our entire history. We're relegating our heritage to a supporting role, backing up a so-called faith that commands stoning homosexuals, brutalizing women, marrying children, and attempting to enslave the planet to an illiterate madman's medieval delusions.
How can we have come so far, and done so much to escape primitivism, only to willingly plunge back into the murk?
Posted by: OutOfAqaba
at February 28, 2008 11:46 PM
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