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The perpetrator of this hostility was an actor. The victim was an actor. The whole incident was trumped-up, rendering the significance of the reactions suspect to say the least. ABC could not, you see, count on a veiled Muslim woman encountering hostility anywhere in this U.S. -- otherwise, they could have simply sent her into a few stores and filmed the uncanned reaction. So they had to create an "Islamophobic" store clerk as well, to guarantee the outcome they wanted.
Then they highlight the negative reactions with nary a hint that the Muslim community in the U.S. might have the power to change such boorish and hostile reactions -- by being more transparent, by being more honest, by being more specific and forthright in opposing the jihad ideology -- if it indeed does. Obnoxiousness is obnoxiousness, but when people turn on the news and see rage and threats of murder over cartoons, and terrorist act after terrorist act committed in the name of Islam, they aren't blind. They shouldn't react by verbally abusing some random Muslim woman in a store, but the idea that all this is some example of gratuitous racism is ridiculous.
Note also that the "skyrocketing" rate of hate crimes against Muslims is largely trumped-up. And of course while ABC's companion piece to this one relies heavily on "information" from CAIR, there is no mention of CAIR's unindicted co-conspirator status, or its connections to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, or the convictions of various of its officials on terror-related charges.
"Witness to Discrimination: What Would You Do? Bystanders Turn Away When Muslim Actor Hired By 'Primetime' Encounters Hostility," by Ann Sorkowitz and Julie N. Hays for ABC (thanks to Kemaste):
The Sept. 11 attacks, the Iraq war and suicide bombings worldwide have changed not only the way we live but the way we look at those around us, especially Muslims. "Islamophobia" has entered the American vernacular, and the anti-Muslim attitudes and prejudice it describes remain common.But what if you witnessed "Islamophobia" in action and saw someone being victimized because of someone else's prejudices? What would you do?
ABC's production crew outfitted The Czech Stop, a bustling roadside bakery north of Waco, Texas, with hidden cameras and two actors. One played a female customer wearing a traditional Muslim head scarf, or hijab. The other acted as a sales clerk who refused to serve her and spouted common anti-Muslim and anti-Arab slurs.
The polarity of reactions was shocking, from support to seething disapproval. Never did we expect customers to be so passionate or candid.
Our actor, Sabina, walked into the bakery in search of apple strudel. When she reached the counter, an actor posing as a sales clerk was quick to greet her with hateful anti-Muslim language.
"Get back on the camel and go back to wherever you came from," he said. "You got that towel on your head. I don't know what's underneath your dress. Just please take your business and go elsewhere with it."
"Sir, I am an American, I was born and raised here," she said.
The other customers seemed to hear the exchange but they barely looked toward our actors. When no one came to her defense, Sabina made a direct appeal to one customer.
"Sir, would you mind ordering me an apple strudel? That's why I am here," Sabina said.
Though visibly shaken by the hateful words, the man gave Sabina the cold shoulder, completed his purchase, and walked out of the bakery. "I really think that a person who owns his own business should be able to say who they sell to," he said after we told him about the experiment. In fact, it is illegal for public establishments to deny service based on someone's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, according to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Regardless, this man was not the only customer to defend our sales clerk's "right" to discriminate.
A Narrowly Defined America
A little while later, Sabina again entered the bakery, and again our sales clerk refused to serve her. This time, one man spoke up, but not on behalf of the Muslim woman. He was adamant that our sales clerk did the right thing. "She wasn't dressed right," he said. "If I was running the place I'd do the same thing." Once again, our sales clerk garnered customer support. After Sabina left the bakery seemingly frustrated and empty-handed, one man thanked the sales clerk for his discriminatory behavior. He then gave our actor a thumbs-up, not once, but twice. Jack Dovidio, a social psychologist at Yale University, said these men seemed to define "American" based on the way people look. They connected with the sales clerk and considered our female actor an outsider. "When we as Americans feel threatened from the outside, we're going to define ourselves in very rigid fashions," Dovidio said. "Either you're with me, and if you're not really one of me, then you must be somebody else who's against me."
A Very Different America
The young woman in our experiment was an actor, but many of the hateful words she heard were based on the experiences of Chicago-born Nohayia Javed, who was watching our experiment from the control van. Javed said she has continually suffered verbal abuse and said she has even been physically attacked by fellow Americans just because she is Muslim. "They always start off with, 'you're a terrorist, Osama-lover, towel-head, camel jockey' on and on," Javed said. "If I tell them I'm American, they're like, 'No you're not. Just because you were born here doesn't make you American.' And I'm like, 'What makes you American?'"
Javed is not alone. The number of anti-Islamic hate crime incidents in the United States has more than quadrupled from 28 incidents in 2000 to 156 incidents in 2006, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's most recent figures....
Posted by Robert at February 27, 2008 9:07 AM
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ABC's companion piece is titled: Common Misunderstandings About Muslims.
In that vein, the University of Southern California Muslim Students Association has a section titled: Ten Misconceptions About Islam.
Here's a very enlightening lead in:
'Islam is the name of a way of life which the Creator wants us to follow. We avoid the word religion because in many non-Islamic societies, there is a separation of "religion and state." This separation is not recognized at all in Islam: the Creator is very much concerned with all that we do, including the political, social, economic, and other aspects of our society. Hence, Islam is a complete way of life.'
While I don't support the behavior of the 'store clerk', you wouldn't know from our political leaders and journalists that Islam is a belief system in conflict with the U.S. Constitution and American law.
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at February 27, 2008 9:42 AM
A population of 2.35 million has suffered 156 incidents in a year? Wow!! Get your ship in order!
Seriously, that is mind-bogglingly low. I wonder how many incidents have been perpetrated by said repressed community in that time. Any figures?
Posted by: Uriel Septim at February 27, 2008 9:52 AM
So now along with keeping and eye out for shenanigans care of CAIR, infiltration by jihadists into our Pentagon and honor killings on our own soil that are not Islamic in nature but based on "domestic violence that cuts across all levels of society," we have to worry about being SET UP by the news media from hell and can look forward to being vilified and dismissed as a bunch of redneck yokels when we're stopping to buy gas or a snack at the local mini-mart?
One question: who are the pro-Sharia dhimmis behind the scenes pulling the strings at ABC? Or is it owned by some Saudi billionaire who is calling the shots?
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 27, 2008 10:02 AM
I wonder would ABC have played "gotcha" during WWII by sending out German-Americans dressed in lederhosen?
Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at February 27, 2008 10:08 AM
I stumbled on this program by accident while watching a movie on another channel, and channel surfing during a commercial break. I immediately saw it as a fraud, since the dialogue was extremely over-the-top.
The bakery employee sounded like a radical leftard's caricature of an "islamophobe".
I hope the former customers in the surrounding community boycott this bakery for its complicity in this anti-American fraud.
at February 27, 2008 10:08 AM
"I hope the former customers in the surrounding community boycott this bakery for its complicity in this anti-American fraud."
Why stop there? Boycott ABC
at February 27, 2008 10:10 AM
I was waiting for this;
Rules of Propaganda
1. The rule of simplification: recduce all data to simple confrontation between "good & bad", "friend & foe".
2. The rule of disfiguration: discreding the opposition by crude smears & parodies.
3. The rule of transfusion: manipulating the consensus values of the target audience for one's own ends.
4. The rule of unanimity: presenting one's viewpoint as if it were the unanimous opinion of all right thinking people: drawing the doubting individual into agreement by the appeal of star-performers, by social pressure and by "psychological contagion"
5. The rule of orchestration: endlessly repeating the same messages in different variations and combinations.
(Dr) Goebbels
One of the more insidious forms of propaganda, however is that where the true sources of information are hidden (or ignored) from the recipients and propagators alike. This genre of so-called "covertly directed propaganda" aims to mobilise a network of unsuspecting "agents of influence" who pass on the messages as if they were acting spontaneously. By feigning a coincidence of views with those of the target society, which (that) it seeks to subvert. By pandering to the proclivities of key individuals, it can suborn a dominant élite of opinion makers by stealth.
Sorry got to go a strange dog just walked into my house ! My dog does not seem to be bothered at all and it is eating his food.
at February 27, 2008 10:16 AM
When will ABC do a story on the mosques in the US where it was recommended that 75 percent be put on a watchlist by an independant investigation?
Posted by: Elric66 at February 27, 2008 10:19 AM
So the ABC is an agent provocateur for Islam?
Has CAIR commissioned this show and paid for it?
Interesting, to say the least.
at February 27, 2008 10:20 AM
When will ABC do a story on the mosques in the US where it was recommended that 75 percent be put on a watchlist by an independant investigation?
Posted by: Elric66 at February 27, 2008 10:22 AM
Was this farce presented as a dramatization, or as a "caught on tape" kind of thing?
If it was the latter, I would wonder why a bakery, of all places, would have need of a camera that catches dialolgue as well as action.
Then I'd wonder about the verbal attack. It wouldn't have rung true. Usually, Americans have to be incited by Muslims' bad manners, before they resort to insults.
Third, I doubt any bakery would object to selling an apple strudel to anyone who wasn't being obnoxious, though they might hesitate to buy one from just anyone.
Fourth, Americans are tired and tattered from handling thier own affairs, and I, for one, would not be eager to jump into somebody else's quarrel.
Would "Sabina" have defended a non-Muslim who was being hasseled in a Muslim bakery? I doubt it.
at February 27, 2008 10:32 AM
Suggested follow-up episode:
ABC sends undercover actor into mosque playing the part of an imam delivering a sermon of violence and hate towards Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims. A second actor (playing the part of a member of the peace-loving Muslim majority) interrupts the sermon to confront the imam. Hidden cameras capture the reaction of other congregants to see whom they will support -- the hate-spewing imam or the peace-loving Muslim confronting him.
Now when do you think ABC will broadcast this episode???
Posted by: CJ at February 27, 2008 10:42 AM
PRCS,
The behavior of the store clerk was staged.
Posted by: Elric66 at February 27, 2008 9:59 AM
Yes, Elric, I know. That's why I noted it as 'store clerk'.
Posted by: PRCS at February 27, 2008 10:43 AM
Who's to say the 'bystander' wasn't planted by ABC (or CAIR - who were likely deeply involved in this 'experiment') as well?
I also wonder how may days or weeks they had to run this scene to get the reaction they wanted and find that one bigot. They conviently don't say how long or how many 'takes' this took.
So when will ABC do a expose on a Christian Preacher on a streetcorner in 'moderate' Malaysia or Indonesia (nevermind Iran or Saudi Arabia)? I don't think they would have to hire an actor to protray the 'hateful clerk' either.
Posted by: CrazyFool at February 27, 2008 10:43 AM
Suggested follow-up episode:
ABC sends undercover actor into mosque playing the part of an imam delivering a sermon of violence and hate towards Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims. A second actor (playing the part of a member of the peace-loving Muslim majority) interrupts the sermon to confront the imam. Hidden cameras capture the reaction of other congregants to see whom they will support -- the hate-spewing imam or the peace-loving Muslim confronting him.
Now when do you think ABC will broadcast this episode???
Posted by: CJ at February 27, 2008 10:43 AM
Was it also ABC that staged this same sort of wanna-be journalism at a Nascar race just a few months ago???
Posted by: adobe at February 27, 2008 10:53 AM
"the Creator is very much concerned with all that we do," --a Mohammedan from USC MSA
Listen you arrogant supremacist jackass, Jesus is 100% "concerned" with "all that we do." He cares if we lose a contact lens! So, stfu with your stupid "allah" grandiosity. You make me sick.
The supreme (no pun intended) irony is that with all your grandiosity about "allah," the truth is "he" doesn't exist. All of your supremacist arrogant conceited blather about a pagan deity that's non-existent! I pity you people - you are the idiots of the universe, bar none.
Posted by: darcy at February 27, 2008 11:00 AM
I don't know because I haven't been in this situation, but I'm so angry at the Mohammedans concerning their rotten, atrocious, evil behavior in the world since and including 9/11, and concerning their Mohammedan/Hitlerian goal of world domination "all for allah," that I might ignore the Mohammedan woman, and leave the store. And I enjoy being a helpful person.
Sorry. You need to inform your Islamic brethren that they are bringing this type of reaction on themselves.
Posted by: darcy at February 27, 2008 11:10 AM
If you cannot find "hatecrimes" you must manufacture them.
Didn't Orwell write a whole book about that?
Posted by: profitsbeard at February 27, 2008 11:14 AM
After the much-feared "Muslim backlash" There were more than 6 times as many anti-Jewish incidents as anti-Islamic ones.
Hate crimes 2002
Anti-Jewish 1,109
Anti-Catholic 56
Anti-Protestant 59
Anti-Islamic 28
Anti-Other Religious Group 172
Anti-Multireligious Group 44
Anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc. 4
Hate crimes 2006
Anti-Jewish 967
Anti-Catholic 76
Anti-Protestant 59
Anti-Islamic 156
Anti-Other Religion 124
Anti-Multiple Religions, Group 73
Anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.7
Now here is a nice little story just too good to pass up: a Jordanian—born restaurant owner in Xenia, Ohio had been the apparent victim of repeated attempts to burn down his store. The day after the third attack, when a Molotov cocktail had been thrown through the front window of his business, yet another explosion rocked the store — the second attack in 24 hours — sending the owner and his son to the hospital with burns over 80—90 percent of their bodies. An employee in an adjoining store was also taken to the hospital for injuries.
Just hours before the blast, the store owner had been interviewed by a local TV station vowing that he would never give in to pressure to close the store.
Into this situation jumped the Cincinnati—area chapter of the Council on American—Islamic Relations(CAIR) — the self—proclaimed Muslim 'civil rights' organization suggesting that anti—Muslim hatred was at work. An item posted on July 14th on the national CAIR website screamed the headline, 'Blast at Arab—American Restaurant 'Suspicious'.
Karen Dabdoub, the local CAIR spokeswoman, was quoted in the local media saying,
'Anytime an attack like this happens, the perception in the Arab and Muslim community is that it is ethnically or religiously motivated. Especially in the absence of perpetrators being caught by law enforcement, that's the fear. Until that (motivation) is discovered, people speculate, rightly or wrongly.'
The problem with CAIR's narrative of anti—Muslim hatred in small—town America was that it wasn't true. Arson investigators have determined that the final blast that severely injured the store owner, Musa Shteiwi, and his son, Essa, was set by the pair themselves. In a performance worthy of a Darwin Award, the Shteiwis were standing in a pool of gasoline that they intended to use as an accelerant in setting their store ablaze later that night when Musa Shteiwi took a break and lit up a cigarette, igniting the gasoline prematurely and causing the blast that inflicted their injuries.
But there's more: prosecutors claim that Shteiwi had hired a former employee, Joshua Hunter, to commit the previous attacks against his store that CAIR had insisted were hate crimes committed by non—Muslim members of the Xenia community. Hunter has been jailed and charged with arson, and similar charges against Musa and Essa Shteiwi are pending until after they have recovered from their injuries.
Since the arrest of Shteiwi's associate, CAIR has refused further comment and has offered no apology for its shameless kafir—phobic behavior to the community they falsely impugned.
If the MSM such as FOX, CNN,and ABC also CAIR is truly interested in improving American—Islamic relations, perhaps it might spend more time dealing with the kafir—phobia among Muslims instead of investing its time and energy into diagnosing the supposed Islamophobia of its critics.
Posted by: shiva at February 27, 2008 11:19 AM
Who is Nohayia Javed and what is her relation to CAIR? Miss Javed says she's "been physically attacked by fellow Americans just because she is Muslim."
It looks like there was some sort of attack back in April of 2006, a little over a month after she participated in a discussion at Baylor regarding the Danish Mo-toon controversy. How convenient that she should be attacked by a big, white Texan who hurled "racial" epithets at her and then kicked her in the ribs with his big old cowboy boots. CAIR offered a $5000 reward to find her attacker, but alas, even though the FBI got involved, her attacker has never been found. But, CAIR got the story in the paper, and now Miss Javed is the technical advisor on entrapment TV shows? Talk about being upwardly mobile.
http://www.baylor.edu/Lariat/news.php?action=story&story=39043
http://www.islamawareness.net/Islamophobia/America/america_islamophobia_027.html
http://www.abpnews.com/938.article
at February 27, 2008 11:20 AM
Yes, people are distrustful of Muslims but in the real world they rarely act out on their feelings. So, this so called experiment shows how rare anti-Muslim actions are. ABC felt it had to stage both ends in order to get exciting television. Sort of like Candid Camera. Its a show not a useful experiment.
Posted by: Jerry M at February 27, 2008 11:23 AM
Shiva;
Anti-Jewish 1,109
Anti-Islamic 28
The thing you have to understand is, even though Jews suffer more hatecrimes, are in fact, fewer in numbers than muslims, that muslims are more valuable, or superior than us, mere dhimmis, slaves or inferiors, we are only compared to dog poo for them...
So, in other words, the pigs and apes(us) are useless, so 1,109 of anti-jewish crimes is in fact 0(nothing), while 28 anti-islamic crimes, where muslims have never raised a finger to protest the terrorism, are in fact 28 million... So, you make the math, our muslim masters who suffer 28 million case of anti-islamic backlash or the jews(I have jewish blood)who doesnt suffer any hate-crime?
You see? Muslims are suffering more than we do...poor muslims.
Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at February 27, 2008 11:33 AM
Only widespread publicity given to those who sponsored this program, and who are then made subject to a boycott, will bring ABC to its senses. No appeals to logic, to decency, to common sense, will do the trick. Only economic damage, inflicted on ABC, will stop this kind of grotesque entrapment. And until one has far more realistic balancing tableau, such as someone distributing evangelical literature, or someone else in Hasidic dress, walking through Muslim-populated areas (while hidden cameras are recording everytrying), one has a perfect right to be scornful and dismissive of this effort to make us believe that there is all kinds of anti-Muslim behavior being demonstrated. What amazes is how little such behavior, given the murderous provocation that, for example, American soldiers in Iraq must endure, can be found. And how little there is, for the same reasons, among Infidels who watch in silent fury at the way Muslims behave in the countries of Western Europe, but never succumb to the kind of behavior at the makers of this ABC program so carefully staged in order to make an entirely false point.
Posted by: Hugh at February 27, 2008 12:05 PM
"Was it also ABC that staged this same sort of wanna-be journalism at a Nascar race just a few months ago???"
I believe the "NASCAR sting" was NBC
at February 27, 2008 12:06 PM
This falls under the rubric of "fake news" something that would have embarrassed ABC a decade ago.
The fact they have to make shit up really speaks volumes on the subject. Not to mention the liberal biases of the reporters and their bosses who greenlighted this piece of propaganda.
All in all Goebbels would be proud of such work.
at February 27, 2008 12:37 PM
I came across this while channel surfing and caught the tail end of it.
What a crock. Yup, its on the news so it must be real. ABCDimmis!
at February 27, 2008 12:44 PM
Standard CAIR propoganda, requiring make-believe situations to validate their position.
Of course, there were no actual responses that could be deemed a crime in this situation, with the noted exception of the 'hate' crime of indifference to perceived bias, which we all know is the new moniker for a 'thought' crime.
Everyone knows that people will think the way they want to. To believe otherwise is simply absurd. Even ABC knows this, but it is comforting to see that we should remain more vigilant in veiling our disdain of things we don't like or agree with, lest we be charged with a 'hate' crime.
Posted by: awake
at February 27, 2008 12:49 PM
"Who is Nohayia Javed and what is her relation to CAIR? Miss Javed says she's 'been physically attacked by fellow Americans just because she is Muslim.' "
WOW, Nice work Isabella!
Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at February 27, 2008 12:55 PM
Frankly, I think Infidels in Western societies need to show more "rage and pride" in the Oriana Fallaci sense.
Posted by: cantor at February 27, 2008 1:03 PM
And I'm like, 'What makes you American?'"
And I'm like, try the same experiment in reverse. Go into a Taliban bakery in a tank top and short skirt, and order coffee and Danish. Would you rather get the cold shoulder, or like, raped, tortured, and murdered? Get like, a life.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at February 27, 2008 1:03 PM
Where is the "fair and balanced" reporting of how many non-Muslims are victims of Muslims on a daily basis? I hardly think the low numbers could ever compete with the beating, torture, kidnapping, rape, murder, enslavement, acid thrown on, blowing up of non-Muslims by Muslims on a daily basis all over the world not to mention the thousands that were crush,burned and blown up on 9/11 by Muslims.
And while the non-Muslim secular U.S. has a Bill of Rights and laws protecting Muslims and non Muslims, where is the fair and balanced reporting on all the highly discriminatory laws and practices in Islam and Muslim countries?
This always begs the question, why are they here in the United States when they could be in their own Islamic controlled countries and more "comfortable" living under laws that give them superiority over non-Muslim?
The teachings that the Muslims follow are 100% incompatible with the foundation of U.S. laws. We should end all immigration of Muslims since they neither intend on adapting or following U.S. laws or assimilating into U.S. society or culture.
Posted by: Abby at February 27, 2008 1:07 PM
And where is the secret camera balanced reporting of non-Muslims visiting Muslim areas in the U.S. Send in a woman to walk down the streets, go into Muslim stores and restaurants and show that on T.V.
Posted by: Abby at February 27, 2008 1:10 PM
I think the actress-muslima was shopping at the wrong bakery. She should try this one:
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1754
Or, perhaps she could join her fellow mahometans at this one:
http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=124679
Posted by: Infidel33 at February 27, 2008 1:14 PM
Ericthekuffar - Many thanks for the reference to Dr. Goebbels - truly an evil genius and master of his craft. The fundamentals in the outline you provide are very applicable in any propaganda campaign.
Posted by: MP at February 27, 2008 1:15 PM
A poster above at 1:14 p.m. provides links which I clicked on, and the full text that comes up from one of them is cut-and-pasted below.
Two stories about two different Muslim bakeries, thousands of miles appart, yet emarkably similar in their special recipes for gateau au chocolat served to non-Muslims, deserve to be read, and possibly ABC will, the next time they want to do a story about Muslims, and non-Muslims, and bakeries, not fail to mention these:
#1.
MUSLIM BAKERY SELLS CAKE SPRINKLED WITH FECES TO ENGLISHMEN
Cardiff,U.K. 11th February 2008 (The Opinionator)
Two muslim shop-owners were today fined for selling chocolate cake - which had been sprinkled with human faeces.
A horrified customer ate the foul-smelling gateaux but noticed that it didn't taste or smell "quite right" and handed the cake to public health scientists.
The analysts soon established that the sweet treat was covered in faeces and legal proceedings against the shop owners were started.
Shop owners Saeed Hasmi, 25, and Syed Jan Yadgari, 23, were fined £1,500 for selling food unfit for human consumption.
The pair - who ran the Italiano Pizzeria in Roath, Cardiff - admitted the charge but did not say how the chocolate cake was contaminated.
The takeaway is a favourite with late-night revellers and students living around the takeaway close to Cardiff University .
A spokeswoman for the public health department in Cardiff City Council said: "The person who bought the cake realised it didn't taste or smell quite right so they reported it to us.
"Subsequent examination by the public analyst and national public health service laboratories confirmed the presence of faecal matter.
"There were bits of it all over the top of the cake.
"We cannot say for definite what kind of faecal matter it is, although it is very likely it was human. It would have to go through a DNA test for us to know for absolutely sure."
Hasmi and Yadgari at first denied the charge but pleaded guilty at Cardiff magistrates court before the trial.
Hasmi, of Roath, Cardiff , and Yadgari, of Adamsdown, Cardiff , were each fined £1,500 and ordered to pay £200 costs.
-------------------------------------------------
#2.
DALLAS MUSLIM MIXES FECES IN PASTRIES
The Dallas Daily News:
"A Dallas jury sentenced Behrouz Nahidmobarekeh to five years for sprinkling his own dried feces on pastries at the Fiesta Mart at Ross and Greenville avenues in East Dallas, the foreman of the jury told The Dallas Morning News that the jury had wanted to punish him especially severely because he "showed no remorse."
Along with such occupations as airline pilot, nuclear reactor employee, train engineer, bus driver, safety inspector of water supplies, doctor, nurse, pharmacist, and dozens of others that might give rise to some anxiety on the part of non-Muslims if those jobs are filled by Muslims, perhaps that of bakery chef, or still more broadly, of "food service worker," should be added to the ever-growiing list.
at February 27, 2008 1:31 PM
MP.
I was wondering when someone would question the nature of truth. Unfortunately you have not.
Perhaps you should look at an antiquated notion, truth is based on evidence.
This is a "given" in western societies but not in the religion of islam where truth and the book is a composite and excludes everything else. objectivity does not exist.
After all muslims have the unfaltering word of god, in comparision what are those who do not ?
Filthy Kuffar Scum, Jews, Christians, Hindus, agnostics, aetheists,copts & whole liturgy of of the damned. T
This is the "religion of peace"
The truth is that I have the ability to be religious or non-religious and I will not be sanctioned by the state. Muslims, by their very nature do not have this choice. They seek to impose the religion of the prophet wherever they are and by whatever means.
We, in the west, have a different interpretation of the truth.
It means not telling untruths to further your own ends
Now F;;; Off
Posted by: ericthekuffar at February 27, 2008 1:42 PM
Wow, an entire year with only 156 anti-Muslim hate incidents in the entire United States of America? Not that I countenance that sort of thing, but doesn't that really seem pretty low? I mean, it's like in every state, there's some kind of anti-Muslim hate incident every four months. Jeepers. Are there any black folks out there ROTFL?
Posted by: Karl Pov at February 27, 2008 3:16 PM
That's what passes for mainstream media these days... C'mon, how stupid and naive do they think post-9/11 Americans really are?
Posted by: US_infidel at February 27, 2008 3:42 PM
"Hate crimes 2006
Anti-Jewish 967
Anti-Catholic 76
Anti-Protestant 59
Anti-Islamic 156
Anti-Other Religion 124"
And think about this... they divide the Christian category into Catholic and Protestant.
If viewed as a single "Anti-Christian" category, we would actually get:
Anti-Jewish 967
Anti-Christian 135
Anti-Islamic 156
Anti-Other Religion 124"
Nearly as much Anti-Christian incidents as Anti-Islamic.
And, keep in mind, there is no category for Anti-Eastern Orthodox (who aren't Roman Catholics or Protestants). I suspect they are probably included in the "Anti-other" category.
Also, if someone desecrates a Bible or some other Christian symbol that applies to all Christians, how does it get accounted for in these stats? Does it go into the "Anti-Other Religion" category (since it can't be included only in Anti-Catholic or Anti-Protestant) or does it just get dropped entirely ?
Posted by: StephenDvd at February 27, 2008 3:43 PM
Wow, I am going to think twice before buying ANYTHING in a muslim-owned or -serviced business, especially food! Now, who is turning me into an "islamophobe"? My Christian preacher or the news of what actual muslims do?????????
Sorry that's a bit OT, but it is in relation to Hugh's comment.
BTW, I feel sorry for the bakery where that stunt was staged. I doubt they really knew what they were getting into. They'll probably be in big trouble now - I wonder if ABC will reimburse them for all the lost business?! Either people will avoid them because they have a rude clerk, it is unpleasant to shop there, or because they were "complicit" in ABC's idiotic stunt. ABC probably led them to believe that they would be getting great free publicity, not a smear. UGH.
Posted by: thatisall at February 27, 2008 4:21 PM
Did CAIR 'stage' a protest?
And have 'staged' politicians and lawenforcement kissing their 'staged' butt?
Posted by: alaskan1000 at February 27, 2008 4:36 PM
ABC should show a 'statged' report of women walking into a mosque to worship, in the mens area.
Or show a Jewish person walking into a muslim neighborhood.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at February 27, 2008 4:38 PM
This so called newstory belongs on a reality TV show, not the evening news. This is staged so it has no legitimacy. Maybe the "innocent" patrons there knew it was staged so they did nothing, maybe they were part of the cast too? As far as Muslims feeling persecution, how did they treat non Muslims back in their old country, not to well I imagine.
Posted by: Dumbo at February 27, 2008 4:56 PM
Hey, I don't see why the patrons there should be obliged to help a burka-clad person in any way? Wearing a burka in a Western Land is like wearing a swastika in Israel.
If you get an indifferent reaction like you saw in the bakery you should consider yourself fortunate.
I am sorry, but since all the evidence proves that islam is not a religion but rather a cult aimed at World Domination it falls into the same category as Nazism and communism.
They've long taken off the gloves.. this hatchet propaganda piece is ample evidence of that!
Posted by: Allah Schmallah at February 27, 2008 5:43 PM
Recetnly, a female Canadian journalist, writing for the National Post, went around in a full Islamic covering, face included, for an extended period of time, and wrote that she did not encounter one iota of hostility or discrimination, even at an airport. So much for the myth of rampant "Islamophobia." Those ABC reporters probably found to their disappointment that no-one treated the woman badly, so they had to hire another actor to play the nasty clerk. Most of the customers who did not intervene were probably smart enough to suspect this whole situation for the sham that it was, and the odd ones who showed their approval are just the kinds of retards you find everywhere. What a trumped-up piece of junk journalism.
Posted by: angloirishslav at February 27, 2008 6:22 PM
Though visibly shaken by the hateful words, the man gave Sabina the cold shoulder, completed his purchase, and walked out of the bakery. "I really think that a person who owns his own business should be able to say who they sell to," he said after we told him about the experiment. In fact, it is illegal for public establishments to deny service based on someone's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, according to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Regardless, this man was not the only customer to defend our sales clerk's "right" to discriminate.
Why that dirty little racist! How aweful! I think ABC should expose as many racist/bigots as posssible!!
Why, they should go to Saudi Arabia and have an three actors -- one plays a store clerk; another plays a Jewish customer, and the other a Christian customer both of whom order pita bread and have the same dialogue.
I'll bet ABC will use that experiment to provide how racist and bigoted the Jews and Christians are in Saudi Arabia when they come in to buy pita bread from muslim merchants!
Posted by: witness at February 27, 2008 6:47 PM
Though visibly shaken by the hateful words, the man gave Sabina the cold shoulder, completed his purchase, and walked out of the bakery. "I really think that a person who owns his own business should be able to say who they sell to," he said after we told him about the experiment. In fact, it is illegal for public establishments to deny service based on someone's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, according to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Regardless, this man was not the only customer to defend our sales clerk's "right" to discriminate.
Why that dirty little racist! How aweful! I think ABC should expose as many racist/bigots as posssible!!
Why, they should go to Saudi Arabia and have three actors -- one plays a store clerk; another plays a Jewish customer, and the other a Christian customer both of whom order pita bread and have the same dialogue.
I'll bet ABC will use that experiment to provide how racist and bigoted the Jews and Christians are in Saudi Arabia when they come in to buy pita bread from muslim merchants!
Posted by: witness at February 27, 2008 6:48 PM
Someone should repeat the 'experiment' where someone walks in wearing a Nazi symbol or a KKK outfit... somehow, I doubt we'd get the same faux-outrage that ABC is trying to generate here. I you wear the symbols of an anti-Semitic ideology, you should expect to receive overt condemnation. It's called free speech.
Posted by: Obelisk1 at February 27, 2008 7:12 PM
Where was ABCeera when the muslims were spewing their hatred of the USA and stomping on, tearing and burning our flag right in downtown Manhattan a couple of years ago.
Posted by: dms at February 27, 2008 8:08 PM
Anybody realize that the bakery is not too far from Crawford Texas, home to the President. Is that why ABC selected Central Texas for the location shoot? The town where the bakery is located was founded by Catholic Czech immigrants in the 19th century early 20th century.
what other agenda does ABC have for this segment?
Posted by: pak152 at February 27, 2008 9:12 PM
Nohayi Jayed is from several places some identify her as being from Chicago this story says she is from Oklahoma
http://www.baylor.edu/Lariat/news.php?action=story&story=43236
Posted by: pak152 at February 27, 2008 9:21 PM
"WHAT WOULD YOU DO???"
I know what I would do: Change the channel!!!!!!
Posted by: pythagoras at February 27, 2008 9:52 PM
As a proud American, I am utterly fed up with what poses as a 'free press' ABC (Always Be Covert).
In the old Soviet Union, the press had the legitimate excuse of being puppets of the government in order to survive. So this incident bings questions to mind
1) Why did ABC choose to weave this tale of deceit?
2) Who is really behind this?
3) How do we effectively make this charade of ABC's cost them a lot of money?
Hugh: Your comment about soldiers in Iraq dealing peaceably with Muslims despite the incredible duress they are under tells volumes about incredibly fair minded and decent Americans can be. Do you credit any of that decency to a religion that advocates turning the other cheek? Just curious.
at February 27, 2008 10:13 PM
How sad that our journalists so often stoop to manufacturing news in order to serve their agenda. This is not the first time, proof that a new oxymoron should be the phrase "journalistic ethics".
Posted by: stickman at February 27, 2008 10:26 PM
ABC asks with grave self-importance, "what if you witnessed "Islamophobia" in action and saw someone being victimized because of someone else's prejudices? What would you do?"
Well, if I were a citizen with half a grain of intelligence, what I would do is immediately suspect that this incident of "Islamophobia" is a staged sham, cooked up by so-called journalists so anxious to get a story that they're willing to pay actors to make it happen. And I'd have good reason to. Also, knowing that in a country with the size and population of the U.S. there were only - what is the shocking statistic? - 152? reported yearly incidents of "hate crimes" against Muslims, and further knowing that things like putting a Koran in a toilet , kids putting a ham sandwich on the table in front of Muslim students, or spray painting a mean word on the wall of a mosque, are counted as "hate crimes" against Muslims these days, I would have further cause to doubt the authenticity of what I was witnessing. And finally, if I concluded that the stupid behaviour was genuine, then yes, I would say something, as any decent citizen would. But we don't need a story like this to remind us that there are far too few decent citizens around these days who are willing to speak up or intervene on behalf of a stranger. Those witnesses' non-involvement had nothing to do with the woman being in Muslim dress; if the clerk had similarly mistreated a Sikh man in a turban, or a punk kid with tattoos and facial piercings, the outcome probably would have been the same.
at February 27, 2008 10:34 PM
StephenDvd said
And think about this... they divide the Christian category into Catholic and Protestant.
Then why doesn't ABC divide the Islamic category into Sunni, Shi'ite, and other Islamic sect? Which brings to mind, how many of the 156 incidents in 2006 were intra-Islamic incidents? Sunnis attacking Shi'a, and vice versa. The FBI may not be aware that Muslims do not always treat each other with respect and dignity; for example, sometimes they drill holes into each others' eye sockets.
And how many were hoaxes, like the self-immolators taking a cigarette break as listed by Shiva above?
There were over 3000 victims of kufirphobia on one day in 2001 alone. And they weren't merely called a naughty name by an actor pretending to be boorish; their bodies were ground into oblivion, until there was barely enough for a DNA sample. So what kind of incident were these 156 that the FBI investigated? I would be very interested in reading the details, if they are not too Super-Top-Secret-ish to keep from us rabble.
Posted by: special_guest at February 27, 2008 10:38 PM
What would you do if YOU saw a television network like ABC-TV stage a phony, staged, trumped-up, dishonest, deceitful, crooked sham of a supposed act of alleged "bigotry" against Muslims in the USA and attempted to palm it off as a real 'news' show?
What SHOULD you do???
Sue the network for fraudulent news coverage or for manufacturing "news" perhaps. (At the very least turn the TV dial to another station!).
I wonder if brainwashing could be classified as a crime, since, judging from the looks of this gruesome excuse for a television program, it sure ought to be. If only we could sue ABC-TV for attempts to brainwash the public. No wonder we are about to get a Muhammedan shyster for a president when stuff like THIS gets palmed off as "REAL NEWS." How could anyone make an intelligent view on ANYTHING when nothing you have been told by the media is the truth?
Who came up with the idea for this (truly horrible) show anyway? Goebbels??? The Council of American-Islamic Relations? George Soros? Vladimir Putin?? The possibilities are as limitless as the evil people around these days to come up with shows like this! (oh, I know Goebbels died generations ago).
ps-What percentage of ABC shares DO Arab-Muslims now own? 80 percent perhaps??? More?
Posted by: pythagoras at February 27, 2008 11:01 PM
This is only the latest example of what the networks laughingly call "news" or "documentaries". Remember the large number of black churches that suffered fires in the '90's? The networks were convinced that a vast ultra-right white supremacist conspiracy was at work. Then arson investigators found that most were the result of old, faulty wiring or malfunctioning space heaters; with a few deliberately set to collect insurance money. No conspiracy, and no Aryans, but the networks never reported that!
Also remember the network (CBS, I think) "expose" of dangerous pick-up trucks -- ones that were prone to burst into flames in wrecks? They staged a number of wrecks, with detonators placed in the gas tanks, so that when the wreck failed to produce an explosive fire, they could blow them up anyway.
I stopped watching television "news" some 30 years ago -- it was slanted, sensationalist, shallow, and superficial. It still is.
at February 27, 2008 11:06 PM
Along with such occupations as airline pilot, nuclear reactor employee, train engineer, bus driver, safety inspector of water supplies, doctor, nurse, pharmacist, and dozens of others that might give rise to some anxiety on the part of non-Muslims if those jobs are filled by Muslims
they forgot one very important job, that unfortunately there are a lot of Muslims in the cities involved with that being truck driver as a former trucker. I can tell you it would be very easy to get hold of a container chassis and a container. They are often are unattended and would be to steal and could you imagine 50,000 pound bomb being set off in the middle of one of our major cities or even worse. A gasoline tanker turned into a massive fuel air explosive bomb and you can buy a used tanker and tractor around 20,000 and as long as you have the cash. You can buy the gasoline wholesale in any refinery. As for ABC. We all need to remember that companies like the A merican B ullshit C orporation live and die by their ratings and the amount of market share, that they can grab. They are not really news organizations, but entertainment companies and the more bizarre at the entertainment for the more outlandish. The bigger chance to have more market share, and more possibilities for advertising revenue
at February 27, 2008 11:11 PM
Posted by: CJ at February 27, 2008 10:43 AM
You should post that comment on the ABC thread.
at February 27, 2008 11:19 PM
ebonystone:
The situation is actually even worse now as the phony news shows are defending Islam for no good reason at all and misleading untold millions of Americans into believing that Muslims are victims. Scary stuff-- especially when these same misled viewers go to the polls and vote for a Muslim presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket!
Posted by: pythagoras at February 27, 2008 11:37 PM
Seems CAIR has issued a call to its minions to head on over to the ABC News website and post their thanks to ABC for producing this piece of fiction. ABC is also asking that anyone who knows of incidents to email them with information. both just beg for further comment
Posted by: pak152 at February 27, 2008 11:56 PM
Posted by: pak152 at February 27, 2008 11:56 PM
Yep, but I was on all day. We got the guns, but it seems they have the numbers there now.
Sad.
Posted by: awake at February 28, 2008 12:12 AM
ABC is also asking that anyone who knows of incidents to email them with information. both just beg for further comment Posted by: pak152What makes me think they aren't interested in any incidents of hatred against Jews or Christians? Posted by: CrazyFool
at February 28, 2008 1:06 AM
It feels great to have cancelled cable yesterday. I told them that cable and what they provide have become irrellevant.
Boy, was I ever right..
I bet there are SOWdis involved with ABC.. a pox on their dhimmi "journalism".
Posted by: Allah Schmallah at February 28, 2008 1:19 AM
We now know where Jason Blair and Mary Mapes are -- writing for ABC.
I have NEVER observed any conduct which could be considered mean-spirited directed toward Muslims -- NEVER. Even after 9/11. I think Americans go out of their way to make sure that they don't act in a mean-spirited way toward Muslims.
Even back in the 1970's, when I was a college student, and there were some Iranian students in my school, no one ever did anything mean-spirited toward Iranians.
Having said that, I can't say that it never happens. But I can say that Muslims are treated very well in this country.
We can't say the same about how Jews or Westerners are treated in Muslim-occupied countries.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at February 28, 2008 1:55 AM
Where,will the file footage ultimately end up when a customer actually responds to this charade with a response such as: "Excuse me mam,but I happen to be aware of certain beliefs which are held in esteem by the majority of Islam's adherents. One of these very strong,one could say even fanatical,beliefs states that it would be "harum" forbidden for you,as a Muslim female to be conversing with me,a non-Muslim non relative male. For the best interest of all parties this conversation must end now."
Cutting room floor perhaps. Too much info dissemination.
at February 28, 2008 3:36 AM
I bet there are SOWdis involved with ABC.. a pox on their dhimmi "journalism".
Posted by: Allah Schmallah at February 28, 2008 1:19 AM
And all Saudis had to do was pocket the Bush family, who kept repeating 'our friends the Saudis', who were the rea; enemy of USA and 'friends of the Bush family'.
Just a small white lie.....
As for cable, I cancelled 2 years back and have not regretted it at all. I enjoy telling Seattle times that I do not subscribe to a news-papaer, but even if did, I would NEVER subscribe to Seattle Times. LOL...
Posted by: Alert at February 28, 2008 7:05 AM
I have NEVER observed any conduct which could be considered mean-spirited directed toward Muslims -- NEVER. Even after 9/11. I think Americans go out of their way to make sure that they don't act in a mean-spirited way toward Muslims.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at February 28, 2008 1:55 AM
On the morning of 9/11, a friend of ours, having been evacuated from his desk in an undamaged side of the Pentagon (and not being allowed back, seeing how an adjacent side of the building was on fire), walked to the nearest Metro station to find his way home. Along the way, he encountered a visibly upset Muslim woman. He spoke to her, and when she confessed she was afraid, he escorted her to the Metro station.
I'm sure ABC has the story in its archives somewhere ... right???
Posted by: CJ at February 28, 2008 7:43 AM
reminds me of this amazing racist vid from you tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3oM_cjHfkY
this is off course staged but don't you think thst the store clerk had every right to refuse service to a racist? i view muslims equivelent to these racists if not worse.
Posted by: desidude at February 28, 2008 8:06 AM
feel free to send story ideas to the following email address
Contribute@abcnews.go.com
they do send an autoreply back
Posted by: pak152 at February 28, 2008 8:20 AM
Thanks Mr. Ape Pig! ; )
When I moved here fourteen years ago after a divorce and when my kids were little, I didn't want them exposed to the garbage on TV since I knew I would be working a lot and wouldn't always be around to monitor what they watched. So I didn't get cable. In the course of moving a couple of times later on we had it for a few months after each move because it came as a packed deal with the phone and internet and my kids were older. But the two times I had it, I ended up canceling it after a few months because there was nothing but trash on anyway. As a result of this, my kids don't watch TV. They are busy with school, work and other interests. Although we do watch movies on the DVD player, and I can quote a mean movie line, which makes my kids' eyes roll.
I was brought up, like Ann Coulter, discussing politics from a young age around the family dinner table. My parents taught us the value of not believing everything we heard from the newspaper and on TV. They taught us how to think and sent us to schools that did the same. I will always be thankful to my parents for that. It was that training that brought me in my search for truth to this site. And it was that training that made me realize back when Tom Brokaw used to say, "All the news we think you need to know," that he was full of it and that I wanted all the news, not just what Tom thought I needed to know.
We can see what that kind of selective release of information has wrought in our country: near hero worship of a second rate, practically freshman Senator who never says ANYTHING of substance and yet inspires people to faint in assemblies wherever he speaks. It reminds me of Christ's words in St. Luke Ch. 21 vs 8: "Take heed you be not seduced; for many will come in my name, saying, I am he, and the time is at hand: go ye not therefore after them."
CJ,
Your story of the friend who helped the Muslim lady to the Metro because she was afraid is exactly the type of behavior I would expect from an American man, even in this day and age. And it really is starting to tick me off that we Americans who do behave this way, and I would guess that would be about 99% of us if put in the same situation, are vilified by these people who know they are lying and who cleverly hide behind their alleged victimhood to get away with it.
Could this show be deliberate provocation for some unknown mischievous reason? Could Muslims be provoking us so that when we respond they can follow the passage in the Qu'ran that says once provoked, now they're allowed to fight us? And does anyone really believe that the opportunist and CAIR flunky, Chicago-born Nohayia Javed, was really attacked at Baylor campus two years ago, let alone kicked in the ribs by a stereotypical big white man with cowboy boots and a southern accent? This incident sounds like it came right out of the CAIR's abridged version of the Al Qaeda manual.
at February 28, 2008 8:34 AM
Seems CAIR has issued a call to its minions to head on over to the ABC News website and post their thanks to ABC for producing this piece of fiction.
Posted by: pak152 at February 27, 2008 11:56 PM
For any that missed it:
http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?mid1=763&&ArticleID=24290&&name=n&&currPage=1
Posted by: awake at February 28, 2008 9:10 AM
I watched this crazy report and couldn't believe how fake it was.
As an Orthodox Christian, I sometimes keep my head covering on, after Church, if it is cold. I also wear long skirts - my husband teases me about being able to pass for muslim because of my modest Church dress.
Going about with head covered by a scarf, I have never been treated any differently or even stared at. Granted my head covering isn't as fitted as the woman's in the ABC report, more like what western dhimmi reporters put on when they visit Iran, but I cannot think the average American knows the difference or looks that closely.
My thought upon watching this report: Why on earth would anyone stand there and take that abuse? The sane would leave and the danish cannot be that great. If that had been real and a store owner had heard that ruckus out front they would have been out there dealing with it, not letting a "clerk" alienate other customers. Something stunk and the people knew it. The fact that ABC made it all about their non-interventionism and supposed racism, shows their agenda.
When are people going to wake up and use their brains? There is no right not to be offended, danish can be had everywhere and television is the ultimate propaganda tool! If Goebbles had had access to the television, Lord have mercy! He did enough damage with movies.
Posted by: pravoslavna at February 28, 2008 12:02 PM
The abject willingness of many (most) Americans to take in and believe propaganda of this type is overwhelming. We will suffer the same fate as the Europeans appear to be undergoing if we don't wake up soon.
Posted by: lo3 at February 28, 2008 2:36 PM
Are there any records which could be researched by competent DW contributors to discover shareholdings in ABC? A boycott of ABC programs and advertisers would be an important first step. Saudi money must be there somewhere.
Posted by: meekee at February 28, 2008 3:30 PM
"I stopped watching television "news" some 30 years ago -- it was slanted, sensationalist, shallow, and superficial. It still is."
One further quality makes it even worse: its pretensions to integrity -- as when the dapper Bryan Williams takes off his old school fashionable reading glasses to lecture the viewer on how terrorists are not much different as "freedom fighters" from American Revolutionaries; or when Tom Brokaw with his gravelly speech impediment intones about all the "challenges" facing the 21st century without even mentioning the gigantic Camel in the Room; or when the granite-jawed Dan Rather affected a homespun chiselled integrity that wasn't above countenancing passing forgeries off for news; etc.
Posted by: cantor at February 28, 2008 6:01 PM
Adobe wrote:
Was it also ABC that staged this same sort of wanna-be journalism at a Nascar race just a few months ago???
..........................
This was Dateline NBC, back in 2006. Several people in almost comically "traditional Muslim dress" walked around at a NASCAR race. They got a few looks, but no one hassled them in any way--I'm sure the "journalists" were very disappointed. Here's a link:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-04-06-dateline_x.htm
Posted by: gravenimage at February 29, 2008 12:13 AM
Hmm, I wonder what would happen if we planted several rednecks at the hajj next year. Do you think they would get a few looks or would we more likely never hear from them again? Would Dateline NBC be interested in filming a show like that?
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 29, 2008 11:24 AM
When confronted with an ABC-TV phony, trumped-up, bogus PR stint on TV designed to whitewash Islam and brainwash Americans into believing that defending themselves from Islam is "bigotry" all the while dressed up as a shallow news show, what indeed IS THE PROPER THING TO DO?? WHAT SHOULD WE DO?????
I know!!! Switch the station before media-induced gangrene of the brain sets in!
at March 3, 2008 1:21 PM
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