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Sound strategy, or more British dhimmitude? It's hard to tell at this point. I am all for law enforcement officials becoming well-versed in the Qur'an and Sunnah: the more they understand the motives and goals of the jihadists, the better able they will be to combat them. But if this will be just another exercise in politically correct whitewashing and kowtowing to Islamic supremacism, as the Shadow Home Secretary seems to think, then it will be worse than worthless.
"Bobbies will be taught Sharia law and the Koran in secret plan to counter terror at local level," by James Slack for the Daily Mail (thanks to all who sent this in):
Police will be trained on the importance of Sharia law and the Koran to Muslim communities, under new plans to fight extremism.The lessons in Islamic faith and culture will become part of the formal training of constables working in towns and cities across the country.
Chief constables say that - by understanding the community they are policing - officers will build better relationships.
These could prove crucial in rooting out extremism and preventing a terrorist attack, according to the Association of Chief Police Officers.
But critics have described the plan as 'politically correct thinking' .
Philip Davies, Conservative MP for Shipley, said: "Police officers are not there to implement Sharia law. They are there to implement British law.
"This idea is misguided. We will only get community cohesion when everybody signs up to being British and following British law."
Shadow Home Secretary, David Davis, said: "Of course it is sensible for the police to have an understanding of the Koran and Sharia law as long as we do not allow the situation to slip so that Sharia law is regarded on an equal basis with British law. British law is and always must be pre-eminent."
Under the Acpo plans, police will not have to learn the 'depth and complexity' of Sharia law, but would be expected to understand Islamic culture - which includes Sharia law and the Koran.
It is part of a wide-ranging strategy to prevent extremist ideas gaining hold in primary schools, colleges, the internet and prisons....
Posted by Robert at February 28, 2008 9:15 AM
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Which koran? Frontpagemag.com has a revealing article by Joe Kaufman about CAIR's infamous 2002 koran.
Posted by: justamomof4The English translation of the Amana Quran was performed by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. According to Amana, Ali’s first rendition was completed in the late 1930’s, on his 65th birthday. Along with the translation, Ali is credited with authoring a scholarly commentary throughout the text. The commentary is voluminous, making the book much larger in size than other Qurans; the latest edition -- the tenth edition -- is 1824 pages. Besides the standard anti-Semitic statements found in the Quran, such as “Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors,” Ali’s commentary went that much further with its anti-Jewish rhetoric. Some quotes from the text include:**“The Jews in their arrogance claimed that all wisdom and all knowledge of Allah were enclosed in their hearts… Their claim was not only arrogance but blasphemy.”**“A trick of the Jews was to twist words and expressions, so as to ridicule the most solemn teachings of Faith.”
**“[T]here is a catalogue of the iniquities of which the Jews were guilty, and for these iniquities we must understand some such words as: ‘They are under divine displeasure.’”
**“The Jews blaspheme and mock, and because of their jealousy, the more they are taught, the more obstinate they become in their rebellion… Their selfishness and spite sow quarrels among themselves, which will not be healed till the Day of Judgment.”
It is because of these statements that, in February of 2002, the Los Angeles public school system chose to pull every copy (nearly 300 copies) of “The Meaning of THE HOLY QUR’AN” from the shelves of all of its libraries.
at February 28, 2008 9:31 AM
''Chief constables say that - by understanding the community they are policing - officers will build better relationships.''
The only thing that would improve my 'relationship' with the local plod is if they did the job they are charged (and paid) to do by arresting all the crims and lawless scum that infest our society.
Posted by: Joshua
at February 28, 2008 9:47 AM
Under the Acpo plans, police will not have to learn the 'depth and complexity' of Sharia law, but would be expected to understand Islamic culture - which includes Sharia law and the Koran.
It is obvious what is coming, the PC types (no pun intended) will invite the Muslim Council of Britain to give these courses. We all know that the MCB is non-partisan and will give dispasionate lectures on Islamic principles and beliefs. They will also pocket lots of lovely infidel moolah for explaining the principles & practices of "the Religion of Peace".
I am quite sure that most of the bobby's already understand "Islamic Culture" very well as most of them will have been overseeing "peaceful" demonstrations that call for beheadings, suicide bombings,the destruction of all things western and the imposition of sharia law. That is, when they are not picking up body parts from the streets of London or attending calls about "honor killings".
Perhaps they could give these lectures at Finsbury Park Mosque ?
Posted by: ericthekuffar
at February 28, 2008 10:00 AM
What about county and city governments in Great Britain buying large quantities of "Blogging the Qur'an" and distributing copies to their local police? That will give them a solid introduction, in English, to the mysteries of the Qur'an. As for the Hadith, the British police can click on any number of websites and read, to their mind's horror and heart's content, many hundreds of those Hadith, until they get the general picture. And finally there are the details of the life of the central figure in Islam, Muhammad: will the police come to understand that Muhammad, the Model of Conduct, uswa hasana, the Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, needs to be understood, and that understanding requires that certain events in his life, such as the decapitation of the Banu Qurayza prisoners, the attack on the Khaybar Oasis, the murder of Asma bint Marwan and Abu Akaf, and his marriage to little Aisha, and their continuing, unshakabe relevance in shaping the attitudes of Muslims today -- not all Muslims, but certainly the primitive masses of them (and it is always those masses, not an unrepresentative elite, defined intellectually rather than financially, that must be kept in Infidel view).
There is nothing wrong with the police studying, the contents of Qur'an and Hadith and Sira. But it must be done without that study being cuningly directed, or misdirected, by Muslims adept at confusing, distracting, misstating, impressing with sweetness-and-light demonstrations of personal charm and deep "sincerity" blended with a deliberate cultivation of a sense of victimhood, that is used to such effect with unwary and naive Infidels (and seemingly tough cops on the beat, and no-nonsense FBI aqents, and army officers, have in many cases proven to be as unwary, innocent, naive, and trusting, as the shyest schoolgirl -- their occupations do not guarantee, when it comes to Islam, the kind of wariness that comes from study of the texts, tenets, attitudes, history, and plausible presentations by wily apologists, of Islam.
Posted by: Hugh
at February 28, 2008 10:57 AM
Give the police a break.
Due to the wonderful diversity of our community they have already started to learn Polish.
They are also expected to speak Czech, Slovak, Portuguese, Punjabi, Hindu and Urdu.
Posted by: watling
at February 28, 2008 11:12 AM
What a marvellous da'wa opportunity!
At the end they could be asked to recite the shahada, PC plod would not be the wiser.
"What? I am now a Muslim?"
Seriously, will they be taught about suras 8 and 9? And understand it? I think not!
Posted by: pr126
at February 28, 2008 11:26 AM
I remember sitting through a very interesting class back in 1985, given by a Special Agent with the US Secret Service.
Two things he said stick with me still today.
1. One sure way to identify a counterfeit note is to look at the picture. If it's a picture of you, it's a fake note.
2. In their anti-counterfeiting strategy, they're not taught to be experts in finding any/all clues that may be on a suspect note. Rather, they are taught to quickly identify genuine notes, which makes spotting fakes very easy.
These UK cops should be studying the Magna Carta and the basics of democratic government, so their response to everyone, including Muslims, will be based on what is rational, proven, and fair.
Posted by: undaunted
at February 28, 2008 11:26 AM
What a marvellous da'wa opportunity!
At the end they could be asked to recite the shahada, PC plod would not be the wiser.
"What? I am now a Muslim?"
Seriously, will they be taught about suras 8 and 9? And understand it? I think not!
Posted by: pr126
at February 28, 2008 11:28 AM
Will they be taught that the chapters aren't in order and the significance of that? And about abrogation?
at February 28, 2008 11:31 AM
The police should learn about Islam and the way muslims relate to the world, but they should not be 'taught', anything, especially by muslims with vested interest.
Chief constables say that - by understanding the community they are policing - officers will build better relationships.
This is not what police are for. Police don't exist for understanding or building, except in liberal minds. If they really read the Quran and ahadith, and they are intelligent officers, they will immediately realize that the task of understanding and building, is impossible except marginally, where muslims benefit. They would also see the incompatibility of Shari'a and existing law.
But these are not the realities of Islam that their dhimmi masters have in mind. Understanding and building are mindless smoke screens for 'appease and capitulate'...And the Imam says, 'Confused'? 'Let me explain it to you'...
at February 28, 2008 12:22 PM
Yea, what he said.
Posted by: undaunted
at February 28, 2008 12:53 PM
I'm involved in an academic program that includes many mid-career police officers from a variety of county, state and Federal agencies. Most of them have spent at least 10 years on the force, are in supervisory capacities, and have little knowledge of Islam. I make it a point to include concepts like honor killing, sharia, hudna(h), dhimmi, jizyah, etc. I have yet to find an agency other than the FBI or the U.S.S.S. that offers any formal training on Islam. The only danger in offering such training is the possibility (probability) that it will be sugar-coated and served up in the "religion of peace" mode. I go out of my way to only include well documented facts. Female officers in particular have been interested in the concept of honor killing. Until this year, those who wrote papers on this aspect of Islamic culture had to restrict their source material to Western European cases. Now we have examples of this crime against women in Canada and Texas.
Posted by: MP
at February 28, 2008 1:08 PM
Well said duh....an understanding of religious and ethnic practices is just sound tactical operating procedure. The potential danger lies in allowing multiple interpretations of existing law.
Posted by: dmann
at February 28, 2008 1:31 PM
The claim that a better "understanding" of Islam will lead to "better relationships" with members of the Muslim "community" is itself telling. For if one were to acquire a better understanding of Islam, the logical effect on any Infidel would be to heighten suspicion, and do the opposite of creating what is implied in the phrase "better relationship."
The way to phrase it properly is that it is necessary to educate those who are conducting police work in places inhabited by Muslims, so that they may be better informed as to the nature of...well, let's leave it euphemistically at "the task" they have before them.
None of this "better relationships" stuff, please.
Posted by: Hugh
at February 28, 2008 3:38 PM
ericthekuffar and duh_swami, you are right. The original article said "The Chief Constable in charge of the strategy ... said: "... the majority of police training at the moment in this area is done in partnership with Muslim organisations". So the police will be getting the rose tinted version of Islam, which all regular visitors to this site know does not actually exist.
Posted by: Paul
at February 28, 2008 4:56 PM
What next? British police officers being issued with scimitars to chop off the hands of perceived wrong doers?
Posted by: DukeOrange
at February 29, 2008 2:42 PM
according to the article, the program" is part of a wide-ranging strategy to prevent extremist ideas gaining hold in primary schools, colleges, the internet and prisons...."
I'd say they're about a decade too late
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical
at February 29, 2008 9:40 PM
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