Someone very close to me who should know has informed me that thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis who have cooperated with coalition forces will soon be issued SIVs (Special Immigrant Visas) to allow them to legally enter the USA. They will automatically qualify for all social assistance programs (medicaid, food stamps, housing, etc)...with all restrictions being waved.

Why are we emptying Iraq and Afghanistan of those who are cooperating with us, particularly when our work is not done there? Why are we shipping out all the translators and others who are still so badly needed?

Posted by: Cornelius at March 9, 2008 8:06 PM

Good questions.

Posted by: undaunted at March 9, 2008 8:11 PM

From the article: "The program's director, Olivier Bobineau, says they are eager to learn."

Yes, they are eager to study the infidel enemy. They need to figure out, in service to their jihad without end, 1) how to dupe those gullible French infidels by couching deceptive doublespeak (taqiyya) in the trendy therapeutic jargon of the day, 2) how to exploit French societal attitudes and expectations in order to gain special criticism-free status and special public privileges for Muslims living in France, and 3) how to undermine the traditional French societal structure so it can be replaced one day by Islam.

Posted by: Stendec at March 9, 2008 9:29 PM

The security situation in Iraq is still very bad. I haven't personally heard that the US is allowing these people to enter the country, but I do remember reading a lot of horrific stories about how people who had collaborated with the US were being targeted and kidnapped and tortured and murdered. If the US cannot guarantee their security in Iraq, then they have a moral obligation to relocate them to somewhere where they will be safe. I suspect that those individuals being allowed to immigrate to the US are probably secular and well-educated-I doubt that we are talking about Mahdi army types, or people like that.

Posted by: margheri at March 9, 2008 9:32 PM

With all due respect Margheri, for as long as we're expending our own treasure and blood for these people, I think it appropriate that they be asked to continue to do their part. We could insure their safety any number of ways - e.g., embedding them with US forces, many of whom are already - without having to send them to America and subsidize their existence. As things stand, it would be cheaper simply not to recruit them at all.

Meanwhile, never assume that a Muslim who isn't a security risk today won't become one tomorrow.

Posted by: Cornelius at March 9, 2008 10:16 PM

Yes train them France, the sooner, the better, so the radicals, I mean true Islam, can undo all you've done.

Posted by: Sounder at March 9, 2008 11:02 PM

To paraphrase Jay Leno, maybe they could teach these Imams the French art of surrender.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 10, 2008 1:09 AM

Geez. Teaching these imams about the French Revolution, as a part of French values, will only give them an orgasm.

Posted by: Rick at March 10, 2008 2:50 AM

CHARLES MARTELL TAUGHT THEM FRENCH VALUES.

Posted by: teba at March 10, 2008 3:39 AM

Fee Fie Foe Fum, I can smell the taquiya and kittman from here!

Posted by: tanstaafl at March 10, 2008 8:01 AM

I understand what you're saying, Cornelius, although I was opposed to the war from the beginning, and I still think that it was a mistake and a disaster for everyone involved. (I am aware that that my opinion on this subject places me at odds with most readers of this site.) I don't claim any military expertise,as I have none, but I would think that embedding entire families (as I imagine would be necessary) would end up being more trouble than it is worth. I happen to personally know a handful of (Christian) Arab-Americans who have worked in Iraq as translators, but I think that the US is forced to continue to rely on locally based staff due to limited numbers of US citizens who have the language skills and are willing to do the work.

From a practical standpoint, I would think that it would behoove the US not to abandon these people to their fate. In similar situations in the future (of which I hope there won't be), locals may be hesitate to co-operate with US troops, knowing that if the situation turns bad, they will be on their own.

Posted by: margheri at March 10, 2008 9:20 AM

Of course this is wasted effort, but it makes a pleasant turn-around from the usual policy of teaching the Westerners (be they diplomats, members of the police or armed forces or whatever) about the "sensitivities" of the Muslims.

Posted by: Xerxes at March 10, 2008 10:22 AM

Teba,

I agree , it would be the best way to teach them the French values but Sarkozy came late in the game and he knows that , if another Battle of Poitiers should ever start, he will loose.
He will loose because of the number in the other camp which includes not only arabs but all the idiots of socialist "touche pas a mon pot" club.
Sarkozy is better than Bush. He is trying to find a way to get rid of them.
He explained long time ago his position on the Islam of France. and it was not exactly what is reported in this article. It was not"we are going to explain our value to them" it was "they will have to follow our rules other wise they will not be welcome here " There is a very important nuance in French between the translation of this article and the speech of the President regarding the subject.

Don't forget that Sarkosy ordered the expulsion of all the imams with extremist views, They are, silently but surely escorted to the airport.
22000 are going to leave France this year.

It is better than in the USA , where CAIR is not only dictating their rules but is growing and gaining more influence everyday.and the Bush administration is not only watching they grow but the judicial system is helping them.

Another part of the French problem , is part of the Arab Muslim population and I will say a good percentage of them are Harkis and their family.

Harkis are the arabs who chose to fight with France in Algeria and those people had no choice but to go to France and live there . They would have been killed otherwise.
This is a part of the population which is very French and not only peaceful but hard working .

It is impossible for the French government to regain control right away now. It is too far gone .
but I know that there is an underground railroad running through France now in order to "limiter les degats"

Posted by: Tartine at March 10, 2008 10:34 AM

Madame/Monsieur,
I cannot think that a stupidity like this is being managed by the French state.
Practically it will result in putting an Islamic stamp on france. Mullahs are the Islam's spiritual soldiers and they would like to conquer France spiritually and culturally rather than learn French values.
This is the French Theatre of Absurdity.
Everybody needs to be allert on this spiritual attack on France, being paid and managed by the stupidly post-modern French state....!

Humanist

Posted by: humanist_2008 at March 10, 2008 2:08 PM

Margheri,

On the contrary, many here would agree with you that Iraq was a mistake (including the web-site's proprietors). As for myself, I supported the decision to invade, misled by the same faulty intelligence as everyone else. But unlike the proprietors of this site, I don't believe that withdrawing from Iraq and leaving the field to our enemies is the answer.

I also agree that we owe some of these people something for their support, perhaps even a ticket to the States (particularly if they're Christian or other religious minorities). But that comes when the conflict winds down and we ourselves are leaving. For as long as we need their services, it seems absurd to facilitate their immediate departure.

Posted by: Cornelius at March 10, 2008 2:17 PM

Ok Monsieur Humanist
I agree 100% with you on the fact that Mullahs are overthere to impose their laws and their views.
and if we look at England and Germany we see a desesperate situation.
France is now on the edge of the precipice and one step forward et voila ... boum down
There is a difference between the British , the German and the French.
The French are known to use in case of emergency what we called the "Systeme D"
and this is only my personal opinion, I heard Sarko'speeches way before he was elected president,he was AWARE of the danger.
It is impossible to attack this problem upfront in such a small country surrounded by the British who are already drowning and the Germans who are as usual as blind as it can be.
Italy is no help either. The pope is opening the vatican to his muslim brothers, they already have beaches reserved for muslim women
so France is offering to teach values to the Mullahs... 2 things can happen to a student .He passes the exam or he fails.
IF the mullahs fail, they will have to leave the country.... and I AM SURE THAT THEY WILL ALL FAIL. I do not say that this way of dealing with the problem is going to be a success,I just say that Sarko has to find a way to control the disaster.
He is just trying now if you have another solution to approach the problem, feel free to express it. It is by the shock of ideas that the light comes up.

Posted by: Tartine at March 10, 2008 3:19 PM