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March 12, 2008

Vatican official on Sharia in the West: "It is not just a question of good will. There are juridical aspects that are not reconcilable."

Yep. Now, will this statement spark Sharia Rage? " Vatican official says Anglican head naive on Sharia," by Philip Pullella for Reuters:

ROME (Reuters) - The Vatican's top man for relations with Islam on Tuesday criticized the Archbishop of Canterbury as mistaken and "naive" for suggesting that some aspects of Sharia law in Britain were unavoidable.
Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, in a wide-ranging discussion with reporters about Christian-Muslim relations, also said he was confident that a new, permanent body between the Vatican and Muslims would help defuse misunderstandings in the future.
"I think it was a mistake, a mistake because, above all, one has to ask what type of Sharia. And then, it was a bit naive," Tauran said in answer to a question at a breakfast meeting.

As welcome as Tauran's remarks against accepting Sharia law are, he does not yet seem to be aware that there has been no substantive formal division of the nastier aspects of Sharia law -- death for apostasy, stoning for adultery, a woman's testimony equalling half of a man's, and so on -- from seemingly more benign things like an individual's desire not to involve interest rates in a financial transaction. Sharia is a total system; there is not a "Sharia 2.0" that repudiates those issues. Such an undertaking would be seen as heretical, and punishable, of course, under the dictates of... Sharia.

Rather, apologists insist that Sharia really isn't as bad as we think it is, similar to the usual excuses about the meaning of jihad.

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams sparked a religious and political storm in Britain and beyond last month when he raised the prospect of Islamic law in the United Kingdom.
Williams, spiritual leader of the world's 77 million Anglicans, provoked a string of tabloid headlines with the best-selling Sun launching a campaign for him to quit.
"One can understand his good intentions but it seems to me he did not take into consideration either them (the Muslims), the English juridical system, or the reality of Sharia," said Tauran, president of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue.
Sharia, the body of Islamic religious law based primarily on the Koran, as well as the sayings and deeds of the Prophet Mohammad, has been attacked by many in the West over its treatment of women and punishments for adultery and apostasy.
The row fed into a broader debate on integrating Britain's 1.8 million Muslims. This issue assumed greater urgency after suicide bombings by British Muslim militants killed 52 people in London's transport system in July 2005.
Tauran said: "It is not just a question of good will. There are juridical aspects that are not reconcilable (with Sharia)."

Posted by Marisol at March 12, 2008 12:06 AM
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As much of a relief as it is to see at least enough anti-dhimmitude in Cardinal Tauran to recognize the bankruptcy of Rowan Williams' musings, His Eminence still comes up short not only, as Robert notes, in his understanding of Shari'a law, but in his comprehension of the whole expansionist and political agenda of mainstream Islam, including its efforts to co-opt the Church into the process of its own destruction.

Beyond the question of Shari'a itself, Tauran is bedevilled by his own naivete. The agenda for cooperation in the stifling of free speech that he may be setting the Church up to embark upon in the committments he undertakes in the joint document he signed with the president of the dialogue group of Al Azhar University in Cairo should prompt us all to wonder how strong Catholic resistance to Islamist aggression is going to be. That document I make available here:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20080226_cairo-declaration_en.html

Let us all pray that Benedict XVI, an aging Pope whose strength and energy may give out at any time, retains the wisdom to defuse this unholy alliance, or better yet, to destroy it before it sees the light of day. The best thing that could happen is that Benedict repudiates this document or quickly comes up with something to supercede it that overrides its most dangerous provisions or strangles them to death with a stultifying array of qualifications, but the continued presence of this declaration on the Holy See's website, so far without gloss or qualification, is not encouraging.

Posted by: templar [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 12, 2008 1:42 AM

templar, thanks for the link.

Honestly I am disappointed that the Church (or at least many of its members) is willing to make common cause with Islamic representatives against secular culture and the right of free speech. Islam may seem a strong partner in defending religious faith of all kinds, but really, Islam will only look after Islam and oppress all others. Why the Church would remove the sharp weapon of free speech in its dealings with Islam, a weapon itself has parried for decades, is to give Islam a pass from answering difficult questions about its basic tenants of violence and hate.

I feel that Catholicism is stronger for having to deal with criticism and ridicule, and such criticism and ridicule should be used against Islam if it is NOT to be the religion of Europe. Islam must be challenged.

Pope Benedict's Regensberg address where he quoted the 14th century Byzantine emperor was very heartening to me. Hopefully the Pope will put his foot down on any sort of alliance. We need a strong Pope who doesn't mince words, and I think we have one.

I pray that he will be defending the Faith for a long time.

Posted by: npabga [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 12, 2008 2:21 AM

Marisol:

Sorry for robbing you of the credit for this post, by giving it to Robert instead. Obviously I did not read it carefully enough before posting my initial response.

Your commentary on Cardinal Tauran's statement was very astute. I felt obliged nonetheless, to add the observations that I did to augment them, not to steal any thunder from you. I hope they will be helpful rather than offensive.

Posted by: templar [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 12, 2008 3:21 AM

Well I am all in favour of defusing misunderstandings. It seems to me, that every time the truth is flushed out into the open, the public view of islam as a cult of warfare, oppression, crime and abuse is strengthened, and misundertandings based on shaky assumptions of goodwill are shattered.

Posted by: Monty [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 12, 2008 7:11 AM

I think, overall, that this report is positive. In keeping with how the Church conducts "business", the statements by His Eminence were measured and rational. As much as we would like the Church to state strongly, forecfully and without equivocation their resistance to Islam and Muslim control of the West, that simply won't happen in the manner we imagine it.

I agree with TEMPLAR that the document he references is bothersome to some degree, but we have to understand that the Church needs to move slowly in these matters dealing with Islam. I'm sure that one aspect of their perspective was the reaction to the Regensburg speech and the possibility that more commentary of that sort will result in violence and murder that didn't need to take place. They are hoping, I imagine, that they can move the Muslim world without them acting in violence. It may be a false assumption, but it's a step they have to take morally.

Both NPABGA and Templar comments on the Church's position on secular culture and free speech and those positions being on the same side as the Islamic community are known. However, one has to understand that the secular culture has attacked the Church for over 500 years -- with great success. And I imagine that, right now, the Church is between a rock and a hard place.

On the one side, you have the secular, European world that has been hostile for centuries to all that the Church stands for and consists of millions of people who believe that the world would be a better place without the Catholic Church (even while they enjoy freedoms and systems of justice that stem from the Church). On the other end, you have a heretical religious/political movement that has been attacking the Church for over a millenia and clearly believes in a worldview that is contrary to the Catholic understanding of human rights, human dignity and the human relationship to God.

The Church doesn't have many allies right now and we should appreciate they are constantly put in difficult positions that they must be careful to extract themselves from. They can lead and there are many people, lead by a brilliant man -- Pope Benedict XVI, who are capable of giving a concise message and vision of the civilization. But they need help and support.

In the end, the Church might be the only clear institution in Europe that can assist in stopping the Islamic takeover of Europe.

Posted by: GuardianofPeaceandJustice [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 12, 2008 9:23 AM

Excellent posts, all.

As a Catholic, and as an observer of Benedict's comments to date regarding Islam, I have faith in the Pope. Hell, I never even heard of Paleologos before Benedict quoted him, and now I am using him as a screename.

Benedict will be able to walk the fine line between offering an olive branch to the Islamic world without permitting his message to be co-opted and corrupted by Islam.

Remember that after all the furor following his quoting of Paleologos, Benedict NEVER apologized for quoting him, he expressed regrets over the reactions to his statements ... BIG difference. Make no mistake, Benedict knows the darkness that is Islam.

Posted by: Paleologos [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 12, 2008 2:32 PM

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