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An unindicted co-conspirator in a terror funding case holds an event that puts the FBI on the hotseat. The Feds could have seized the opportunity to ask the CAIR rep some questions about that organization's own origins in the Hamas front group the Islamic Association for Palestine, the terror arrests of CAIR officials, and its own attachment to Islamic supremacism in general. They could have called upon the Muslims at the meeting to demonstrate their professed rejection of terrorism with genuine action. They didn't.
"Muslims Grill FBI Agents on Key Issues," by Sameen Tahir-Khan for Arab News (thanks to Sr. Soph):
COLUMBUS, 18 March 2008 — The FBI was interrogated for a change yesterday by members of the Muslim community at an event sponsored by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) at the Sunrise Academy in Columbus.Officials engaged in the discourse as part of the FBI’s so-called Community Relations Executive Seminar Training (CREST) program, which aims to improve relations with minority groups. Scheduled speakers at the event were special agents Kevin Bennett, Steve Flowers and Eric Thomas. The No. 1 concern in the audience was related to federal wiretapping, other forms of privacy invasion and the profiling of Muslims.
“Its not as easy as it seems (to get permission to phone tap),” said Flower. “We have to go before a federal judge and show evidence and get legal permission.” But recent legislation has loosened these restrictions, especially when it comes to the surveillance of communications to and from overseas locations.
But Bennett attempted to assure Muslims that their phones were not being tapped. Flowers said that the three men the FBI prosecuted in Ohio — Ayman Faris, Christopher Paul and Nurudin Abdi — were arrested after years of careful evidence gathering. Flowers said the FBI must do its job fighting not just terrorism from Islamic extremists but also domestic terrorist groups such as the Army of God and the Aryan Nation.
Still, he conceded that in the shadow of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the FBI views Islamic terrorist groups as the biggest threat to national security ands the groups most likely to instigate a massive terrorist act inside the United States.
Hind, a Saudi attendee wanted to know why the media singles out Muslims and Middle Easterners as “terrorists and extremists” and never used those terms for domestic terrorists. Flowers replied that the media do this because it is sensationalism to use language like that.
What a lot of hooey. The media is very, very careful, as we have demonstrated here again and again, to gloss over, ignore, cover up any connection between Islam and terrorism. Check out, for example, the last few stories on the Thai jihad as analyzed on the Jihad Watch side.
The head of CAIR in Ohio, Asma Mobin-uddin, tried to calm the attendees when emotions ran high and questions got more heated. She told the FBI agents that this was an indication of the frustrations that the Muslims felt.“Many are frustrated because they have filed immigration for their family members but because some people have a certain name, it seems their background checks take much longer,” she said....
Yes, and for perfectly legitimate reasons.
Posted by Robert at March 18, 2008 8:10 AM
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“Many are frustrated because they have filed immigration for their family members but because some people have a certain name, it seems their background checks take much longer,” she said....
Why immigrate to the Great Satan? Especially when your background check takes so long......... If it is too much to bear, you could always stay in Dar-es-Islam.
It is true that not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim. I am not so sure that we should allow the immigration of muslims anymore that the immigration of Nazis. I must be an Islamophobe! Where is the PC police?
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at March 18, 2008 8:39 AM
The head of CAIR in Ohio, Asma Mobin-uddin, tried to calm the attendees when emotions ran high and questions got more heated.
Wrong Answer. Should have let it get more heated...possible threats against a federal officer? Unruly mob teaches ignorant FBI agent to "take some lessons from Islam"? Swat Team called in to quell muslim riot here in America? Possible embarrasing questions for all Presidential Candidates and their complicity toward our enemy?
I think I'll start my own game show called "Wrong Answer" where instead of winning prizes, pain is withheld for correct answers.
1. Why was there a no-fly zone in northern and southern Iraq for approx 12 years?
2. Did our troops wear chemical protective clothing in the sweltering desert upon commencement of Operation Iraqi Freedom?
3. Can you please explain Saddam Husseins' "Super Gun" designed by Gerald Bull and aimed at Israel?
4. Obama, since your minister hates Israel, why does he have a cell phone with Israeli technology as its basis, and why does he drive a white mans' invention?
Posted by: No More Ham, Ed at March 18, 2008 8:42 AM
The No. 1 concern in the audience was related to federal wiretapping, other forms of privacy invasion and the profiling of Muslims.
If government policy hits a nerve like that. . .we must be on the right track.
at March 18, 2008 8:43 AM
Tanstaafl: In all fairness, not all terrorists are Muslims. There have been terrorist attacks committed in the recent past by Basques, by Sikhs, by Tamils in Sri Lanka, by the IRA, by extreme leftist and rightist groups in Italy, to name a few...
Posted by: margheri at March 18, 2008 8:50 AM
margheri,
In all fairness, if a terrorist attack occurs, most likely it will be a done by a Muslim. Also in all fairness, we do not say all Muslims are terrorists, just that most terrorism is Islamic in nature.
Posted by: Elric66 at March 18, 2008 8:56 AM
Islam does not own terrorism, but it is one of the main tools in the bag of tricks. The difference between Islamic terrorists and the others mentioned above, is that infidel terrorists are not doing their acts for Allah, or trying to get into 'Paradise' by that method. Their acts are politically driven only. When their political issues are resolved, their terrorism will ebb away. Not so with Islamic terrorism, because it's issues will never be resolved. Dar al-harb will never be completely defeated, dar al-Islam will never be completely victorious, so the terrorism continues, Allah's will is not yet done...
Posted by: duh_swami at March 18, 2008 9:45 AM
"The head of CAIR in Ohio, Asma Mobin-uddin, tried to calm the attendees when emotions ran high and questions got more heated. She told the FBI agents that this was an indication of the frustrations that the Muslims felt."
-- from the article above
Emotions "ran high" and questions "got more heated"? That Muslims, in the permanently unsettled atmosphere that Muslim behavior -- words, and deeds -- have themselves created all over the Infidel world, dare to think it is their emotions that should "run high" and their questions that should be "heated" shows the topsy-turviness of things, and shows that the right atmosphere, one in which they should be, if not themselves fearful of their continued presence in the Western world, at least not aggressively daring to behave as if it they who need to be mollified. Whoever needs to be mollified in the world today, because of the attitudes and atmospherics of Muslim peoples and polities, as some of them act directly (while others merely support indirectly) in response to the promptings of the texts, and tenets, of Islam, it is certainly not Muslims.
The FBI agents who thought that such displays of sweet reason, such occasions for explaining themselves, were acting as rational Western men. They thought, or those who sent them thought: what harm can there be in patiently explaining our policies, and in relieving worries of those Muslims, the nice moderate law-abiding kind, the kind who might even collaborate with us, in helping to report on signs of "extremism"? Wouldn't such a softly-softly approach make sense?
Why, yes, it would, if one ignored the nature of Islam, the attitudes and atmospherics of Islam. It is fear, and fear alone, of what might happen to the position of Muslims in this country, that will obtain cooperation. CAIR, with its sinister assocations (the list of those who, connnected with CAIR, have been tried and conviced for certain other connections can easily be found on-line, at such sites as www.anticair.com). )sinister connections, is hardly the kind of group that the FBI should be using as an interlocutor, or sponsor.
The more Muslims think they can play the outraged victim, the more that government officials -- from the FBI or anywhere else -- play into, and allow such a feeling to develop, the more certain Muslims are that they are, as they like to repeat endlessly, "here to stay" with the implied threat that Infidels had just better get used to that, for we are "here to stay" and also to multiply, and to bring over as many others as we wish, which is why indignation was expressed about the legnth of time it was taking people "with certain names" to receive their visas.
The FBI men ought to have stood for none of this. They ought to have shaken their heads in disbelief, and started to read from Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, started to say: look, buster, this is the kind of thing that we, and many other people, a growing number of people, have discovered. It poses a problem, apparently a permanent problem. Do you think under the circumstances, do you think that what we have learned about, are learning about, the texts and tenets of Islam, it is you who have a right to be indignant that we are cautious about processing Muslim applicants? Are you unaware that a growing number of Americans wish to halt all Muslim immigration, and do so not on the basis of "race" -- as you are so quick to charge -- but on the basis of their growing familiarity with the texts of Islam?
A good tongue-lashing would have, in the end, have done much, whatever the pretend-horror at the meeting itself, sunk in, and made clear that the entire game, as before, is over, that too many people are learning, on their own, too much -- as they are in Western Europe too. All the wiles of taqiyya and tu-quoque and pretend-victimhood, just will not do, not any more.
That is how the FBI agents should have been prepared to answer back, once they had gone through their spiel of straightforward exposition, and were met, not with declarations of willingness to help, but instead with outrageous whining and complaints, by those who are lucky that they continue, even though they are self-declared adherents of an ideology that spells nothing good for our legal and political institutions, and for us as Infidels, to be permitted to remain here. At a certain point, as more and more people learn more and more - not from the espositos and armstrongs and feldmans -- about Islam, they will come to the same, almost inevitable conclusions.
How does CAIR, how do other groups similarly bent on continuing to play the victim, intend to permanently prevent non-Muslims from finding out what is in the Qur'an, in the Hadith, in the Sira? It can't be done.
Posted by: Hugh at March 18, 2008 9:46 AM
If someone from Saudi Arabia started whining to me about human rights and discrimination I would tell him that before I answer your question I want to systematicall denounce the blatantly racist, anti-Semitic and anti human rights policies of your rotten kingdom. Also, why do we allow any of these islamic types to immigrate, we must do our best to shield them from our horrible bigotry.
Posted by: Dumbo at March 18, 2008 10:07 AM
CAIR has a dwindling amount of time left to be effective. The truth keeps seeping out no matter what they do. The inevitable conclusions that islam is evil will be drawn by the public. I think the public will eventually find the shortest route to end this choas. The ongoing choas only draws more attention to the problem of Islam in our lives.
Posted by: credit man at March 18, 2008 10:09 AM
Elric66-My previous comment was in response to only one post, by one individual.
Posted by: margheri at March 18, 2008 10:17 AM
Islam does not own terrorism, but it is one of the main tools in the bag of tricks. The difference between Islamic terrorists and the others mentioned above, is that infidel terrorists are not doing their acts for Allah, or trying to get into 'Paradise' by that method. Their acts are politically driven only. When their political issues are resolved, their terrorism will ebb away. Not so with Islamic terrorism, because it's issues will never be resolved. Dar al-harb will never be completely defeated, dar al-Islam will never be completely victorious, so the terrorism continues, Allah's will is not yet done...
Posted by: duh_swami
Duh_swami: You said that perfectly-I wanted to end my response to tanstaafl in a similar way, but I'm not feeling very coherent today. :)
Posted by: margheri at March 18, 2008 10:39 AM
"Hind, a Saudi attendee wanted to know why the media singles out Muslims and Middle Easterners as “terrorists and extremists”
What media is this fool referring to? If most media outlets were any more friendly to Koranism the talking heads would all be clad in beards and burquas. As usual, we get more baseless whining from the masters of that fine art.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at March 18, 2008 11:13 AM
"The media is very, very careful, as we have demonstrated here again and again, to gloss over, ignore, cover up any connection between Islam and terrorism"....from headline.
Sounds like deliberate denial to me - and a fitting headline to offer this quote:
"At the approach of danger there are always two voices that speak with equal force in the heart of man: one very reasonably tells the man to consider the nature of the danger and the means of avoiding it; the other even more reasonable says that it is too painful and harassing to think of the danger, since it is not a man's power to provide for everything and escape from the general march of events; and that it is therefore better to turn aside from the painful subject till it has come, and to think of what is pleasant. In solitude a man generally yields to the first voice; in society to the second."
~LEO TOLSTOY, War and Peace
Posted by: champ at March 18, 2008 4:32 PM
The FBI should have sent a female Jewish agent to represent them, just to "stick it in the eye" of the bigoted anti-Jewish, anti-women muslims.
Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at March 18, 2008 6:19 PM
They're quite demanding, aren't they?
STOP moslem IMMIGRATION NOW!!! No more SOWdi Barbarians!! Enough already!!!
Posted by: Allah Schmallah at March 18, 2008 8:14 PM
Won't ever happen as long as all a Muslim has to do is scream "discrimination" or "profiling" and then watch as a horde of Democrats and ACLU lawyers destroy the career of the offending FBI agent.
Also look at the kid gloves treatment Obama is getting even as his friendship with hate monger and black supremacist Wright is exposed.
This is all the result of political correctness and the Democrats calling anyone a racist who disagrees with what they do.
Posted by: waltc at March 18, 2008 8:17 PM
The difference between Islamic terrorists and the others mentioned above, is that infidel terrorists are not doing their acts for Allah, or trying to get into 'Paradise' by that method. Their acts are politically driven only. When their political issues are resolved, their terrorism will ebb away. Not so with Islamic terrorism, because it's issues will never be resolved. Dar al-harb will never be completely defeated, dar al-Islam will never be completely victorious, so the terrorism continues, Allah's will is not yet done...
Posted by: duh_swami at March 18, 2008 9:45 AM
Right. Islamic Terrorists have their own category as their Terrorism is done for Allah.
The other, much, much smaller groups of Terrorists mentioned - strictly political. No pagan moon deity involved.
at March 18, 2008 11:27 PM
The difference between Islamic Terrorists and non-Islamic terrorist is that the Muslims are, by and large, sponsored by governments and the Islamic religion institutions and are hardly ever condemned.
Or if they are they are more likely to be condemned for showing the true face of Islam (oops I mean...) giving Islam a bad name rather than for deliberately targeting and murdering civilians.
To Islam you can only be 'innocent' if you are Muslim.
at March 19, 2008 1:05 AM
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