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The witless Daily Mail headlines this piece "Whites 'must do more to help Muslims feel at home' says research group." But what about white Muslims in Britain, like my old pal Yusuf Smith? Who will make him feel at home?
This kind of stupid reporting just clouds the fact that Islam is not a race, and the problem of Muslim assimilation in Britain is not one of race, but of whether or not the Muslims there are willing to set aside Islamic supremacism, renounce all attempts to impose Sharia by violent or peaceful means, and work energetically to root jihadists out of their communities. But there is none of that in this report -- the onus is all on the "whites" to make them feel at home. The idea that many of them might not wish to feel at home, but to transform Britain into a place that is very like the place where they left, as many of them have openly avowed, never enters into the equation.
By Steve Doughty in the Daily Mail (thanks to all who sent this in):
Muslim immigrants face so much discrimination and hostility that they don't feel they belong here, according to a liberal research group.As part of efforts to improve integration, it called for an improvement in public behaviour towards Muslims.
And it said other Britons are wrong to worry about segregation and Muslim-dominated enclaves, as there are benefits to "residential clustering".
A report by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation found white people must do more to make Muslims feel part of the community
The report, for the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, is a strike for multiculturalism, the doctrine which encourages the development of minorities.
Multiculturalism fell out of favour in 2005, after the Government's equality chief Trevor Phillips warned that the country was "sleepwalking to segregation".
Ministers have since called for the encouragement of "cohesion", including more teaching of English and an end to grants being handed to organisations from single ethnic and religious groups.
The study, based on interviews with 319 men and women, including 229 Muslims, found that the majority of interviewees had not experienced unfair treatment because of their colour or ethnicity.
Fewer than 50 per cent of minority members interviewed had experienced race prejudice and just 30 per cent of recent Muslim immigrants had experienced religious discrimination.
The report, produced by researchers from the Centre on Migration, Policy and Society, at Oxford University, found that: "A sense of belonging in Britain for all migrants, recent and established, was negatively affected by their perception of lack of acceptance in the UK.
"It is this perception of being unwelcome and of discrimination rather than attachment to their country of origin that diminishes a sense of belonging in British society, and there is thus a need to address public attitudes towards Muslims and towards migrants as a key component of cohesion strategy."
On ethnic enclaves, it said findings "challenge the assumption that residential clustering of people from particular ethnic or religious backgrounds is necessarily a barrier to social interaction across those boundaries".
The report added that perception of religious prejudice contributing to unfairness over employment, housing and services, had deepened among Muslims since 2001.
Linking anti-terrorist campaigns with efforts to encourage cohesion, it added, "risks stigmatising and alienating law-abiding Muslim communities"....
Posted by Robert at March 21, 2008 5:26 PM
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I thought the typical Daily Mail reader was the type who would find ideological kindship with most of the readers of Jihad Watch.
Posted by: non-croyant![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/nav-commenters.gif)
at March 21, 2008 5:47 PM
"Muslim immigrants face so much discrimination and hostility that they don't feel they belong here, according to a liberal research group."
-- from the article above
Errata Sheet:
For
"Muslim immigrants face so much discrimination and hostility that they don't feel they belong here, according to a liberal research group:
Read
"Non-Muslim natives face so much discrimination and hostility from Muslims that they no longer feel that they belong here, according to a sensible reading of the situation"
Or, still more fully,
Read
"Non-Muslim immigrants, as well as non-Muslm natives, face so much discrimination and hostility from Muslims that they no longer feel, as non-Muslim natives had managed to make them feel, that they belong here, according to a truly discerning reading of the situation.''
Posted by: Hugh at March 21, 2008 6:09 PM
They are, and in fairness to the DM they have consistently raised the danger that if Britain's culture, history and institutions are eroded "something else will come to replace it."
People are still feeling about for a way to express their disquiet about what they see happening all around them. They still fear being labelled racist.
The popularity of Pat Condells vids on youtubedotcom are testament to the growing disquiet with Islam in Europe.
Ordinary people are becoming more aware and alarmed by what they see happening around them.
I suspect we are past the stage where Britain will resemble Northern Island, within 10-20 years it will resemble the Balkans. Ten years ago how many British posters on this site thought they'd hear the ArchBishop saying what he said about sharia?
There will be large scale riots in the UK.
It will begin to resemble a police state to survive.
at March 21, 2008 6:11 PM
"But what about white Muslims in Britain, like my old pal Yusuf Smith? Who will make him feel at home?"
Hey, he's white and Muslim... he has to make himself feel at home.
Every day, when he gets up he can tell himself "Mi casa, su casa" -- and he'd be right!
Posted by: StephenDvd at March 21, 2008 6:14 PM
Yeah I lived in Islington for 8 months of my life.
That's long enough to pick up on the cultural significance of the Daily Mail and the types who read it ;-)
Newspapers play a somewhat different role in that country than they play here in the US.
Posted by: non-croyant at March 21, 2008 6:49 PM
Still trying to blow a little oxygen on the dying embers of the multicultural dream. All would be well if only those bigoted, nasty white folks would bend over a little further and be nicer to Muslims.
Forget it! Most people should have realized by now that there is no way that Islam and what remains of Britain can co-exist. It's us or them - which is something that Muslims have known all along.
Posted by: zaltys at March 21, 2008 7:12 PM
I read this story too, and what most galled me was that the Joseph Rowntree report put the emphasis on discrimination and prejudice, whereas the majority of its Muslim interviewees stated that they'd experienced no discrimination.
It's almost as if the report's findings were decided before the interviews were carried out, and that inconveniences - such as respondents not concurring with the desired conclusion - were simply ignored.
One would ask why, given the evidence, the report's authors reached such a conclusion. But having dealt with the Joseph Rowntree Foundation many times in my working life, the likely reason is all too apparent.
Note too that "residential clustering" is, apparently, now the correct Newspeak term for Muslim-dominated areas. And far from being isolated ghettoes fostering a segregationist mindset, such areas bring great benefits.
I feel more like Winston Smith every day.
Posted by: Matamoros at March 21, 2008 7:23 PM
UK study: Non-Muslims must do more to make Muslims feel at home
You mean like insisting that everyone agree to live by the same set of law?
Because if you mean that we should change our laws in the West to make Muslims feel like they are in the Middle East; then, ah, no.
Muslims could stay in the Middle East for that, and since one has to assume they didn't make that trip just to wind up back where they started, well, you figure it out.
Not that Islam has anything to do with race anyway... but how long will it take for leftists to figure out that constant obsessing over race is likely to inflame racial division rather than alleviating it. Or, is that why you keep up?
at March 21, 2008 7:37 PM
Muslims are not colonizing the West to "assimiliate" or "integrate" but to dominate and conquer.
Why make the invasion any easier?
The Islamic playbook of theocratic tyranny (AKA al-Qur'an) should be mocked and dissected and lampooned and lambasted until the Mohammedans tire of the trouble we cause them and they return to more-comfortably-unfree Muslim lands.
Posted by: profitsbeard at March 21, 2008 7:54 PM
>>Muslims are not colonizing the West to "assimiliate" or "integrate" but to dominate and conquer.--profitsbeard.
So right.
I see that England is still in the process of committing suicide by denial.
Posted by: darcy at March 21, 2008 8:05 PM
Posted by: profitsbeard:
The Islamic playbook of theocratic tyranny (AKA al-Qur'an) should be mocked and dissected and lampooned and lambasted until the Mohammedans tire of the trouble we cause them and they return to more-comfortably-unfree Muslim lands.
... and cartooned.
Damn right, Vexation and Exhaustion from the Management of Comedy, err, I mean, Savagery
Posted by: RalphInfidel at March 21, 2008 8:08 PM
Why don't Muslims decide where home is?
Posted by: Sounder at March 21, 2008 8:16 PM
There can only be one driver. Others can go along for the ride but only one can decide the direction.
Who will it be?
Posted by: Borg at March 21, 2008 9:32 PM
Returning or remaining at home is the best solution for all. Bye. You won't be missed.
Posted by: champ at March 21, 2008 9:39 PM
Who is responsible for thinking that Islam is a race? I think that Muslims are to blame - which goes to show how much they identify with Islam - a little TOO much if you ask me.
Posted by: champ at March 21, 2008 9:42 PM
champs-
Muslims are a race.
A strange one known to specialists as the Disg.
Posted by: profitsbeard at March 21, 2008 10:25 PM
UK study: Non-Muslims must do more to make Muslims feel at home
How about importing more camels?
at March 21, 2008 11:13 PM
Duh_swami Yeah, more camels, that's the ticket
More sand
Date palms
Free range ewes
Communal wells
Outhouses
Unpaved roads
I cannot post the rest of my list; it will get this comment deleted.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 12:00 AM
Oh, not Camels, I prefer Winstons. My father smoked Lucky Strikes.
Oh, you meant the dromedary kind, my bad.
It's late here in Appalachia, can't ya tell.
Posted by: Pelayo at March 22, 2008 12:07 AM
I concur that probably the best way for so-called "whites" (presumably meaning all Brits who is not Muslim, which include quite a large contingent of non-whites) to make aggressively unassimilating Muslims feel "more at home" would be by giving them a one way ticket - home.
What a ludicrous notion Western multiculturalism is. Nobody in the Asian country where I'm living right now gives a rat's ass about making me or my fellow Western expats feel more "at home," nor should they. We're expected to adapt or get out. This is not unreasonable. If we went in there moaning and whinging about how the natives don't do enough to make us feel comfortable, we'd never hear the end of it from Western liberals about our racism and cultural arrogance. Why does it not work both ways?
Posted by: angloirishslav at March 22, 2008 12:56 AM
I dunno. Strategically, I agree with you guys. But, when I’m in the territory of how-to-behave-when-a-woman-in-a-burkah-gets-on-the-subway, I will not surrender my politeness to a seventh century petty bourgeois ideology. Perhaps non-Muslim Brits would do well to be defiantly well mannered.
Posted by: skevin at March 22, 2008 1:56 AM
"Muslim immigrants face so much discrimination and hostility that they don't feel they belong here...
Good!
Mohamadans dont let the door hit your arse on the way back to Crapistan.
Posted by: km at March 22, 2008 2:44 AM
they don't feel they belong here
Well basically, they don't belong here.
Britain is a place for British values and customs, British food, the English language, pride in British history, and fidelity to the Queen. Failure is no excuse to remake Britain into that place where they came from, where mediocrity and failure are expected, and the only refuge is their religion.
If foreigners want to "belong", they should follow an important Western proverb: When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Posted by: Greek Fire at March 22, 2008 4:26 AM
I promise to help make all muslims fell at home - but it will have to be in their own country not this one.
Posted by: Wayne at March 22, 2008 5:15 AM
Non-Muslims must do more to make Muslims feel at home
No.
Posted by: FreeSpeech at March 22, 2008 5:44 AM
"Making Muslims feel at home" in Great Britain means to agree to change British, that is non-Muslim, social arrangements and understandings. It means to change the most important parts of British, that is non-Muslim, legal and political institutions. For these social arrangments and understandings offend Muslims. And these legal and political institutions -- including the right of free speech, and freedom of conscience (including the right to change faiths, or to become a freethinker)--are flatly contradicted by the letter and spirit of the Shari'a.
How, really, can those who wrote this report have failed to find out what Muslims want changed? How can they have failed to discover that what they want are changes in British society, changes in the political life, changes in the laws, all to accommodate Islam?
How can those who wrote this report fail to have noticed that of all the various immigrant groups, of every conceivable hue and ethnic origin, it is the Muslims, and the Muslims alone, who make demands for changes in the country? The Hindus do not. The Chinese do not. The black African Christians do not. The Andean Indians (if there are any Andean Indians) do not. It is Islam, and the Muslims, who are unique in their demands, and in what it would take to satisfy them -- which is, the meeting of their every demand, and then their every demand after that.
How can those who wrote this report fail to have noticed that the very same "problem" which they are attempting to deal with, that is the "integration" of Muslims in Great Britain, the problem to which as a "solution," they insist the British must simply work harder to "make Muslims feel more welcome," is the same "problem" that the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, the Germans, the Italians, the Danes, the Belgians, the Norwegians, the Swedish, and all other Infidels, no matter what their political coloration, or economic conditions, or degree of toleration, all find their Muslim populations present.
These are the two bits of evidence that the writers of this report failed to consider:
The first is that Muslims, and only Muslims, present this problem of "integration." No other immigrant group, whatever its difficulties, remains so unassimilable. And the reason is that while other immigrant groups in Great Britian certainly have had problems, of language and social understandings, and of sometimes bearing an alien creed, no group except the Muslims bring with them a creed not only alien but an alien and a hostile creed, one that contradicts and does not accept accomodation with, the existing understandings and institutions.
The second is that the "problem" of "integrating Muslims" is a universal one, that is is to be found everywhere that Muslims have managed to enter and settle deep within Infidel nation-states, so that if there is a "problem" it is not one specific to the behavior of the British, but shared by every European country.
Would it not make sense, given those observations, to seek to find the reason for Muslim inability to "integrate" into the host societies in Islam itself, the ideology of Islam, its texts, its tenets, and the attitudes and atmospherics that naturally arise in people who grow up on Islam, in states, or in communities, or in families, suffused with Islam? Should not Islam's attitude toward Infidels, and their societies, their ways, their very existence, be examined, for the source of the "problem" that exists not only in Great Britain, but everywhere that Muslims may be found, in numbers sufficient to allow them to make demands and express their discontent (and anything beyond 2-3% seems to be enough), and where they do not already rule, but must -- temporarily as they see it -- endure, for now, the intolerable ways, and unacceptable dominance, of the Infidels in those Infidel nation-states, all over the Bilad al-kufr.
Posted by: Hugh at March 22, 2008 9:34 AM
Isn't it quaint how Muslims break everything down into two camps: one for Muslims, one for non-Muslims? The nerve! What arrogance.
I'm not a non-Muslim, I'm an American white-chick. How about if I broke everything down into American white-chicks and non-American white chicks? Or how about American non-white chicks? Or American white non-chicks? 'Sorry, it's simply too ludicrous.
When I was born at the tail end of the 50's no one talked about Muslims or non-Muslims. Heck, when my kids were born in the 80's no one talked about it that either. These folks have insinuated their hang ups on the rest of us and I'm saying, enough is enough.
As far as the rest of us accomodating Muslims, forget it. Let's just say no. No more. As far as this American white chick is concerned, Muslims can kiss my ass.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at March 22, 2008 10:08 AM
I would like to see the ummah make non-musselmans feel at home. Fat chance of that happening it all these problems of unrest and violence is because of the west and all the free people, who, thank God are not under these barbaric and savage ideology called Islam.
Posted by: savsiv at March 22, 2008 10:36 AM
How about if all non-Muslims in the UK wear special dhimmi outfits so that Muslims can distinguish them and avoid touching them by accident and defiling themselves. That would help them feel
'at home'.
at March 22, 2008 4:22 PM
Posted by Isabellathecrusader:
As far as the rest of us accomodating Muslims, forget it. Let's just say no. No more. As far as this American white chick is concerned, Muslims can kiss my ass.
You sweet talker you, you're makin' me all misty eyed.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at March 22, 2008 4:46 PM
Why should I have to make them feel at home in my country when I do not want them here? These people are nothing but dangerous nutters who far from being made to feel at home should be booted out NOW!
Posted by: Wayne at March 22, 2008 5:01 PM
I don't understand how many times people are going to mix religion and race.
Does anyone else feel a sort of intellectual pain (like you wanna punch the editor) just for being dumb. Being around him probably lowers your IQ.
Blue
Posted by: Blue at March 22, 2008 8:56 PM
Non-Muslims must do more to make Muslims feel at home.
I know a way to do that: One-way tickets to the Middle East.
I'll gladly sponsor several of these.
Posted by: Henrik at March 22, 2008 9:28 PM
"Whites 'must do more to help Muslims feel at home' says research group."
I figure there are two easy to understand and highly practical alternatives:
Option 1: Everybody else converts to mohammedanism, which would put the local mohammendans in a mohammendan country, which is where they claim to want to be.
Option 2: Come down on them with all the power of the police and the state in a bone-crushing, mind-numbing brutal totalitarian oppression that monitors every moment of their lives -- in which case they will feel and live exactly the way they did back in the tyrannies they came from -- comfy and cozy, just like home.
Option 2 has the added advantage of protecting the neighbors.
Posted by: joeblough at March 23, 2008 2:36 PM
"I dunno. Strategically, I agree with you guys. But, when I’m in the territory of how-to-behave-when-a-woman-in-a-burkah-gets-on-the-subway, I will not surrender my politeness to a seventh century petty bourgeois ideology. Perhaps non-Muslim Brits would do well to be defiantly well mannered." Posted by: skevin
Most of us ARE well mannered, almost to a fault. And that's part of the dilemma.
When we see a woman in a burqa or a niqab in a city like Toronto or New York or London or pretty much any Western city where one would NEVER see such a thing a few decades ago, the fair-minded, educated, enlightened multiculturalist in us desperately wants to act like nothing is out of the ordinary, and in most cases, to our credit, we do act this way - we are as polite to this woman as we are to anyone else, we do not stare nor let our children stare, we do not make comments, and if she needs help we are good citizens and help her just as we would anyone else. But while we are acting like nothing is out of the ordinary, we are not thinking this way; on the contrary, most of us are appalled, disgusted, and bewildered, and wracked with guilt over our feelings. Deep down we know exactly what the garb of these women represents, and we want it to stop, but we don't know how. Our instincts tell us to stare and shun, to MAKE her feel uncomfortable and unwelcome, but our higher selves tell us to accept. And the brutal truth of the matter is that the more we resist our instincts, the more or this kind of thing we see. I think of this when I realize one never, ever sees women in burqa or niqabs in the Asian city where I live, even though there is a sizable (moderate) Muslim minority in the city. It would simply not be tolerated. If extremist Islamism ever tried to make inroads here, it would come up against a brick wall, because the people here, friendly and easy-going as they generally are, will NOT tolerate local norms being pushed passed acceptable limits. I'm not talking about violence; they would not do that, but I am talking about no pretensions of friendliness, welcome, or inclusion when someone's garb presents such a naked message of UNfriendliness. Multiculturalism has not cut off their instinct for self-preservation at the knees. These people may never have heard of the Western proverb "Do as the Romans do," but they understand it more implicitly than most Westerners do now, and as such they are far wiser than most of us.
Posted by: angloirishslav at March 23, 2008 10:34 PM
The sight of a woman covered in shapeless black cloth from head to toe is indescribably repulsive to me.
It quite literally makes my flesh crawl a bit.
There is a sort of obscene indecency in treating the human form as something evil that must be be hidden. It is an offense to the eyes of all who look -- and should be treated as such.
My impression the first time, and every time since, is that they look like cartoon bad guys out of some pop version of a C.S. Lewis story -- except that they are real and walking around.
Mothers and daughters of the death cult.
Posted by: joeblough at March 24, 2008 3:40 AM
The sight of a woman covered in shapeless black cloth from head to toe is indescribably repulsive to me.
It quite literally makes my flesh crawl a bit.
There is a sort of obscene indecency in treating the human form as something evil that must be be hidden. It is an offense to the eyes of all who look -- and should be treated as such.
My impression the first time, and every time since, is that they look like cartoon bad guys out of some pop version of a C.S. Lewis story -- except that they are real and walking around.
Mothers and daughters of the death cult.
Posted by: joeblough at March 24, 2008 3:58 AM
"Muslim immigrants face so much discrimination and hostility that they don't feel they belong here, according to a liberal research group."
-- -- -- -- --
If it's really that bad, couldn't they just pack it in and return to Crapistan where everybody respects Islamic customs and culture?
What's with this "Waah, you didn't welcome me with open arms" stuff? The locals are probably too busy working (earning enough to pay their taxes so Walid and his wives and all his kids have welfare money) to be throwing welcome parties with halal food for the new immigrants....
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at March 24, 2008 4:34 AM
About 5 years ago I managed a building contract worth over £10,000 ($20,000) paid for by the kuffur taxpayers to repair and improve the house of a muslim. From the age of his children I would guess he lived in the UK for 20+ years but he still dressed as he would have in Pakistan and spoke no English even though he lived in an overwhelmingly white working class area.
When I met him his daughter did the interpreting and if he stood anywhere close to me he looked anxious and covered his mouth and nose with the end of his turban. I thought it odd because I do not have halitosis and if I did his daughter did not seem to be troubled by it.
I was later told that he covered his mouth and nose so he would not have to breathe air that had been polluted by a kuffur.
I doubt he ever worked in Britain in his life, we give him enough to live on without working, we educated his children and gave them first world living conditions, we gave him £10,000 because he could not be bothered to repair his own home and he does not even want to breathe the same air as us.
I accept that his action in covering his mouth and nose was exceptional but the rest was not.
Screw the dumb b******s of the Joseph Rowntree foundation.
at March 24, 2008 10:00 AM
Well this problem is going to continue when the United Kingdom is still accepting asylum seekers from Muslim countries.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7312814.stm
Posted by: savsiv at March 26, 2008 9:56 PM
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