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"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin
"Dutch businesses threaten to sue over anti-Islam film," from Agence France-Presse:
THE HAGUE (AFP) — Dutch businesses Saturday threatened to sue far-right lawmaker Geert Wilders if his anti-Islam film led to a commercial boycott, as several more Muslim countries condemned it.
"I don't know if Wilders is rich, or well-insured, but in the case of a boycott, we would look to see if we could make him bear responsibility," Bernard Wientjes, chairman of the Dutch employers' organisation VNO-NCW, told the newspaper Het Financieel Dagblad.
"A boycott would hurt Dutch exports. Businesses such as Shell, Philips and Unilever are easily identifiable as Dutch companies," he was quoted as saying.
Malaysia's former prime minister Mahathir Mohamad suggested a boycott on Saturday, echoing a similar call by media in Jordan.
"If we boycott Dutch products, they will have to close down their businesses," Mohamad told reporters. "If the world's 1.3 billion Muslims unite and say they won't buy, then it (the boycott) will be effective."
Since the release of the 17-minute documentary "Fitna" on the Internet on Thursday, Muslim nations including Malaysia and Singapore have condemned the film, as has UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.
Although there were no mass disturbances in the Netherlands, in Utrecht two cars were set ablaze overnight, with a slogan calling for the death of Wilders.
Posted by Marisol at March 29, 2008 2:35 PM
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It looks as if the Dutch will be hanged separately.
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at March 29, 2008 2:52 PM
"Shell, Philips and Unilever are easily identifiable as Dutch companies,"
Maybe it is time for a boycott. No more money to Shell, Philips and Unilever if they dare sue!
Posted by: greatcometof1577
at March 29, 2008 3:11 PM
Apparently gilders are more important than guts when it comes to standing up for the freedoms of expression in the Netherlands.
Posted by: Mackie at March 29, 2008 3:11 PM
greatcometof1577, you got it. Wilders' supporters should counter-sue the suers for frivolous harrassment. Or, for any legal action brought against Wilders for exercising his rights to freedom of expression, a boycott could be called against the plaintiffs' products. Don't just lay back and take it - fight fire with fire.
Posted by: Eastview at March 29, 2008 3:20 PM
There's still more of us than there are of them.
"Businesses such as Shell, Philips and Unilever" would do well to remember that.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at March 29, 2008 3:24 PM
"If the world's 1.3 billion Muslims unite and say they won't buy, then it (the boycott) will be effective."
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So, they are "united". We thought there are "moderates", "liberal", "non-practicing", "westernized", "traditional" and only small percent of "fundamentalist" Muslims. But, they are "united".
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at March 29, 2008 3:27 PM
"If we boycott Dutch products, they will have to close down their businesses," Mohamad told reporters. "If the world's 1.3 billion Muslims unite and say they won't buy, then it (the boycott) will be effective."
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heh *snort*
The buying power of those 1.3 billion Muslims (not including Saudi Arabia and perhaps the UAE) is probably equivalent to the buying power of America's 300 million Infidels.
at March 29, 2008 3:53 PM
Well - if the Durch business leaders are going to sue Wildes then I'll see to it that all Dutch products are going to be boycotted here as well.
What a bunch of stupid {deleted, ahem, don't want to give offense!}!
at March 29, 2008 4:06 PM
I think there are a lot of Dutch people who piss on their money, including me.
at March 29, 2008 4:07 PM
LazarofSerbia,
Great point. Islam is monolithic when they want it to be. But if you point it out it becomes Islamophobia.
Posted by: Beagle at March 29, 2008 4:20 PM
It is time for the West to boycott Islam by cutting off any foreign aid. Someone once posted the billions upon billions we give to these people who want to destroy human rights and Western liberty.
Let's cut the foreign aid, get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, find and alternative to oil, close immigration to Muslims, expel any Muslims who support Sharia law, give lots of money to countries that border Muslim countries. IE LET'S START A COLD WAR AGAINST ISLAM. Would be have given foreign aid to the Soviet Union in order to appease them? Of course not.
It is time that we recognize that Muslims who support Sharia law are evil and our enemies. They mean to destroy us (unless we convert, but I'd rather die.)! People must understand that.
Posted by: James Martel at March 29, 2008 4:29 PM
How about Muslims boycott everything Western, including living in Western countries?
Posted by: BarackOsama at March 29, 2008 4:31 PM
The buying power of those 1.3 billion Muslims (not including Saudi Arabia and perhaps the UAE) is probably equivalent to the buying power of America's 300 million Infidels.
Posted by: JenBee
Jenbee, I think you're overestimating the buying power of the 1.3 billion Muslims of the world, including SA and UAE. Although it's not insignificant, neither is it all that terribly huge. Most of it ultimately is derived not from wealth generated by effort on their part, but from their control of oil supplies it takes Western technology even to exploit.
Muslims have *created* nothing of significant value to the modern world economy. Their notions about how much buying power they have are based on the same conceited notions they have about their contributions to civilization at large.
Posted by: Eastview at March 29, 2008 4:32 PM
Time for us to buy more and more Dutch products!
And time for us to stop buying Middle Eastern oil.
Posted by: tanstaafl at March 29, 2008 5:04 PM
"We rather lose our culture than a dollar"-
should be the slogan that unites Shell, Philips & Unilever...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 29, 2008 5:10 PM
COWARDICE and CUPIDITY. How out of place! These blind fools just don't get it--worse, they collaborate with enemies of freedom who would surely destroy commerce as surely as they would destroy freedom. If Dutch business interests were honest, they wouldn't muzzle Wilders, free speech and expression, thought and the Internet; no, they would seek legal redress and compension from those who boycott, intimidate, threaten, and destroy.
Posted by: John C at March 29, 2008 5:13 PM
Just looking at Shell, doesn't that company get a decent proportion of its oil from the Middle East?
And if that were the case, wouldn't a boycott eat into their profits?
It's early morning here, so I'm not up to speed, but surely somebody missed the logic bus on this one.
Posted by: L.Drummond at March 29, 2008 5:30 PM
Bernard Wientjes doesn't appear to worry much about his posthumous reputation. It ought to be perfectly clear that when this war will be won by the free West, the craven behavior of individuals and businesses that bowed to the enemy will not be forgotten.
at March 29, 2008 5:51 PM
Any boycott of Dutch products should be swiftly followed by the following measures, made known in advance:
1) an end to all Muslim immigration into the Netherlands
2) a ban on the transfer of outside money from Muslim states -- such as Saudi Arabia -- for mosques, madrasas, propaganda, campaigns of Da'wa, and other support for Muslims whose numbers in the Netherlands have gone -- as "Fitna" notes, from about 1,600 in 1960 to 1 million today.
3) solidarity among Western exporters, who will refuse to supply whatever goods and services were, before such a boycott, supplied by Dutch firms.
4) denial of access to Western higher education and to Wewtern medical care for Muslims who have been allowed to assume that they can continue to take, or buy in the West, all the products, all the advancements, all the technology, all the ways of transmitting information, that are the product of Infidels and, ultimately, of the mental freedoms that Infidels, but not Muslims, possess, and that if they could, they would deprive us of in order to make us conform to their rules, their Shari'a, their everything.
5) a statement by all the member nations of NATRO that amplifies the meaning of the phrase "an attack on one of us shall be considered an attack on all" so that this is no longer confined to a military attack, but includes such things as this kind of economic boycott, designed to bring not only the Netherlands, but the entire West to heel.
6) an attempt to start fashioning a common response to Muslimi attempts at blackmail and bullying that will not be stopped if, suddeenly, Muslim states adopt an attitude of (entirely meretricious) sweet reason, but will continue, and deepen, the ties between Wesetern security services, policy planners, treasury officials, immigration and nauralization officials, working in tandem to diminish the Muslim threat, a common threat, throughout the Western world, based on, prompted by, the texts, and the tenets, and the attitudes, of Islam.
There are a half-dozenn measures that, if those who presume to protect us had any sense, they would have come with, and would have been acting on long ago.
But they haven't possessed that sense. And still do not. Not yet. For the mere and horrifyinge fact that in the Netherlands officials permitted the Muslim population to grow and grow and grow, through both virtuall unlimited immigration, and through the roviding of every possible benefit, every possib le assistance that a generous and advanced Western state can provide (a system that was and is paid for by non-Muslim taxpayers, but milked in every way by, above all, Muslims on the dole, the recipients of every conceivable kind of subsidy or benefit) shows the criminal negligence of the Dutch political and media elites, a negligence shared by the elites of the other countries of Western Europe.
Some are coming, others will come, to their senses. It is a question of when. It is a question of how fast, and how unsentimental they in the end will turn out to be, and how grateful they feel toward the civilizational legacy constructed by others, that they did so little to deserve, and now will have to do so much to preserve.
Posted by: Hugh at March 29, 2008 5:56 PM
L.Drummond
True. How the hell the muslims going to get the oil out of the ground if they boycott Shell.
But then again...logic and Islam don't go together.
So now I am for this! Boycott Shell, Oh Muslims! Do it! Do It! Allah demands it!
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at March 29, 2008 5:56 PM
Dutch businessmen today threatened to sue the British government for declaring war on Germany. They all feel that if WW2 was to break out, they wouldn't be able to afford a really big car, a second home, and so much food they can become really really obese.
Why do we put up with these traitors to our values.
They love there purses more than rome, to coin a phrase.
at March 29, 2008 8:11 PM
What price western civilisation? I am sure there are some people doing the bean counting. I will await to see how many gold dinars it comes up to.
at March 29, 2008 8:54 PM
So much for capitalists being staunch defenders of human rights
Posted by: Dumbo at March 29, 2008 9:57 PM
or even their own societies!
Posted by: Dumbo at March 29, 2008 10:27 PM
The most likely scenario has most of the Dutch government converting to Islam. I'm sure that for them, it beats the alternatives of cowering in fear of the Blade of Islam or the unthinkable...standing up and fighting back.
Much of the west has been feminized. Happy now?
Posted by: Charles Bogle at March 29, 2008 10:44 PM
I am at a loss as to why the Dutch people, the same people who resisted Hitler, now seem to be kowtowing to third world despots. The proud Dutch people should be up in arms over a blatant attempted take over of their way of life and the attempt to impose Sharia Law so as to deprive them of their freedoms.
We here at http://www.theamericanjingoist.blogspot.com are proud of Mr. Welders for keeping the movie on the web, that my friends is true patriotism in defending your freedom of speech and way of life.
We salute you, don't back down but have the balls to stand up and fight back.
Posted by: whois2811 at March 29, 2008 11:59 PM
I'm coming from CNN where I just viewed the following video by Matthew Chance:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/28/fitna.reaction/index.html
Most of it is fairly balanced by msm standards (allowances are made) until the very end where Chance says "________ Wilders film is pure incitement; An invitation to unrest or for terrorists to attack."
The missing word sounds like "Brothers" but for the life of me I can't say for sure and "Brothers" makes no sense. Chance is English so there may be something which is trans-Atlantically lost in translation?
Posted by: alexon at March 30, 2008 2:53 AM
at March 30, 2008 3:09 AM
Alexon: the missing words, I think are 'for others'
Posted by: Malta_1565 at March 30, 2008 4:59 AM
This 'responsibility shifting' is, as far as I can observe, extremely common in everything related to Islam.
Mo did so as well. I think it's at the core of the ideologi. Needs to be countered.
Posted by: Henrik at March 30, 2008 5:37 AM
Too bad I wouldn't usually buy any products from Unilever, Shell, or Phillips. It makes my boycott somewhat ineffective.
Posted by: Vagn Henning at March 30, 2008 6:29 AM
"If we boycott Dutch products, they will have to close down their businesses," Mohamad told reporters. "If the world's 1.3 billion Muslims unite and say they won't buy, then it (the boycott) will be effective."
If the worlds 5.3 billion infidels unite and say "stop your crap", it will be effective.
Posted by: RalphInfidel at March 30, 2008 7:56 AM
The writer of this article claimed that Singapore was a muslim nation. This might be a big surprise to my friends in the "fine city."
Posted by: FirePig at March 30, 2008 8:15 AM
Mr. Wientjes and his friends no longer wish to be associated with Holland, now that it it may harm business..Hè only wants to be Dutch when the association is flattering, like when it said 'abroad they admire us, because we are so open and tolerant here' in the papers every day.
Maybe mr. Wientjes wouldn't object to Holland openly paying jizya, to ensure good traderelations.
Already he and his kind applaud the fact that Holland de facto - and very shortly de jure - does not exist anymore, because giving up our sovereignty in exchange for untrammeled trade of course is peanuts, and everyone protesting is a smallminded, cowering procincial. So bending over some more for a good press will be no problem at all.
Fortunately, for some at least, it still is.
So maybe mr. Wientjes should hand over his Dutch pasport, and wear a blue hat, from now on. So that all the umma knows that he is a good dhimmi and he can peddle his wares in the kashbah.
Maybe it is time we start kicking out every mealymouthed traitor from our country, and fight for what's left of our dignity and our freedom, before it's too late.
Cowards, traitors and fools, our leaders all...
at March 30, 2008 9:30 AM
The willful blind greedy elitists have spoken...
Posted by: eloivsdiablo at March 30, 2008 11:15 AM
The ruling class -- the Wientjes class -- will manage to save itself. It can pile up the money, and transfer it to Canada, the United States, Australia, as the Netherlands, and as other countries in Europe, go under. Besides, these people all take short views. Had Hitler not entered Poland when he did, but taken just a little more time to build up his army and continued to talk the Munich talk, had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor but first digested what it had seized, or was about to seize, in East Asia, things might have gone differently. And look at the slowness of the response, the reluctance of so many to take in, and then to respond adequately, to anthropogenic climate change.
It is no different with Islam. Companies run by those who care only that no commerical applecarts with Muslims and Muslim lands are upset, are the wrong people to be maintained in office. Whatever profits they bring their stockholders, we -- the inhabitants of the Western, non-Muslim world, can't afford them.
Posted by: Hugh at March 30, 2008 3:18 PM
"Shell, Philips and Unilever are easily identifiable as Dutch companies,"
Maybe it is time for a boycott. No more money to Shell, Philips and Unilever if they dare sue!"
While I whole heartedly agree, I would like to add that we should be boycotting all Islamic businesses.
I would love to see a data base of them (its huge).
More over, in publishing Islamic businesses it will give more people an opportunity to see just how much infiltration there is in the market place. It will also highlight many government's and corporations pimping western knowledge.
Furthermore, it will also highlight the unprincipled bloated Western traitors who deal with them.
These people must face the ostracism they so thoroughly deserve.
Posted by: Armoured Passionfruit at March 30, 2008 3:23 PM
Well, for me its clear, that if they sue Wilders, I won't ever consume their products.
Posted by: Kybeline at March 30, 2008 4:15 PM
"in·cite (ĭn-sīt') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. in·cit·ed, in·cit·ing, in·cites
To provoke and urge on: troublemakers who incite riots; inciting workers to strike. See Synonyms at provoke. "
What strange times we live in. I'd love to see how that film could in anyway be called incitement, it didn't say anything.
I watch Columbo today, perhaps that's incitement, it didn't tell me to commit murder, or uge me to commit murder, but it did have a murder in it. Perhaps it's the producers fault if I kill, perhaps that's "incitement".
I hate to say this, but it seems like to long without a major war is not good for societies. It allows weaklings and cowards to gain control, and their lack of spine and semantic quibbling becomes the norm.
Posted by: Ian at March 30, 2008 5:21 PM
thanks Malta, that must be it.
As for Fitna being an "incitement" to terrorism. Bull Crap! It simply holds up a mirror to those who love Islam but hate everything / everyone else in the world. Unfortunately it's no "tiny minority" we keep hearing about. As for Non-muslims who cower before the threats and violence... appeasement and wishful thinking will not protect them nor -- especially -- their children and grandchildren. It only emboldens the Islamic bullies and killers.
Posted by: alexon at March 30, 2008 8:55 PM
Hey Look I do not buy products from Muslim countries. I mean when I go to shopping I just look at the made in label if it is one of the Ummah it is shelved. Unfortunately I gotta still buy the big thing called Petrol/gas.
Posted by: savsiv at March 30, 2008 10:36 PM
"A boycott would hurt Dutch exports. Businesses such as Shell, Philips and Unilever are easily identifiable as Dutch companies," he was quoted as saying... "If we boycott Dutch products, they will have to close down their businesses," Mohamad told reporters. "If the world's 1.3 billion Muslims unite and say they won't buy, then it (the boycott) will be effective."
So? The boycotting Muslims won't drive, have electric lights, or bathe. Sounds like the majority of what they're living in now.
at March 31, 2008 10:37 AM
These guys need to check their legal position and get some advice.
Geert would not have the money, insurance, or bond that would cover the expense, so all they are doing is trying to punish him.
What and who they sue would is the big question. The muslim countries that are calling for the 'boycott' would be the countries they should sue. For the following reason:
1. Freedom of speech, currently is still legal for the Dutch. This may change soon, but not yet.
2. The Muslim counties that are calling for the boycott are members of the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, and the U.N. A boycott initiated, supported, or rallied by the goverment or it's officials would be illegial by international law as members of any one of these organization.
If the Dutch businesses threatened suing those goverments and claiming their assets they would shutup.
at March 31, 2008 1:17 PM
I also have heavily boycotted all islamic country products shops and businesses since 911- I try to buy aussie made and manufactured oil products like petrol from our own industries which produce the oil and petrol here
cmon you lot pull together and stop buying anything made in islamic lands or exported from islamic lands, shops businesses and never hire a mulims if we all spread the word and refuse to buy a house of a muslim, refuse to hire a muslim, never enter an muslims shop, dont buy from countries which are islamic we can boycott them back into the stone age and for them thats an upgrade
at April 1, 2008 4:51 AM
I also have heavily boycotted all islamic country products shops and businesses since 911- I try to buy aussie made and manufactured oil products like petrol from our own industries which produce the oil and petrol here
cmon you lot pull together and stop buying anything made in islamic lands or exported from islamic lands, shops businesses and never hire a mulims if we all spread the word and refuse to buy a house of a muslim, refuse to hire a muslim, never enter an muslims shop, dont buy from countries which are islamic we can boycott them back into the stone age and for them thats an upgrade
at April 1, 2008 4:52 AM
The Muslims aren't the only ones that can boycott folks they disagree with.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020528.php#comments
at April 1, 2008 12:47 PM
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