Oh yeah - blame your inner "beast" on women - not on yourself.

Posted by: champ at April 10, 2008 9:39 PM

"This man was once a Wall Street executive"....LOL!!!

Posted by: champ at April 10, 2008 9:40 PM

A women who does not wear the entire veil is like a fire which burns anyone who comes into contact with her"

Hmm. Gives new meaning to the old "Is it hot in here or is it just you?" line.

Posted by: MarisolJW at April 10, 2008 9:40 PM

""A women who does not wear the entire veil is like a fire which burns anyone who comes into contact with her," said Elmalhoda.

..More like a moving target to the religious zealots who surrounds her

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 10, 2008 9:48 PM

>>>>>>

.....and so are the adherents.....

Posted by: champ at April 10, 2008 9:59 PM

LOL!!!

Posted by: SonofIsaac at April 10, 2008 10:02 PM

Besides, as Muslim apologists never tire of telling us, the chador -- see Lila Abu-Lughod -- provides the "portable seclusion," the ambulatory zenana, that Muslim women are so desirous of maintaining.

Posted by: Hugh at April 10, 2008 10:04 PM

...let me try posting that again....

***SHARIA IS STUPID***

....and so are the adherents (now it makes sense).

Posted by: champ at April 10, 2008 10:09 PM

The unnaturally-repressed often project their sexual rage and uncontrolled desires on everyone else, to excuse their beastly behavior and base urges.

Psychology is anathema to Islam.

It requires insight.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 10, 2008 10:12 PM

You have quite a sense of humor, Robert. You also owe me a new keyboard.

Posted by: Connie at April 10, 2008 10:15 PM

Fake Allah turned Muhammad into a beast. He then turned men into beasts and dictated his guide to desert based bestiality known as the Koran

Posted by: dennisw at April 10, 2008 10:25 PM

Thank god that Muslim women are required in well-run Muslim societies, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Pakistan, and now southern Iraq, to cover up so as not to turn men into beasts. And they are grateful, those women, for the chance to carry around their ambulatory zenana their "portable seclusion," as apologists for Islam, such as Lila Abu-Lughod of Columbia, like to sweetly describe those chadors and abayas and niqabs that leave only an eyeslit, or in the most devout cases, not even that.

Posted by: Hugh at April 10, 2008 10:25 PM

Islam, Sharia are the very antithesis of human dignity.

Posted by: savsiv at April 10, 2008 10:28 PM

Yeah, right. Knowing how quick Allah Tala Shmalla is to turn men into apes, pigs, and kosher rats, I wouldn't want to be tempted by "uncovered meat."

Posted by: John C at April 10, 2008 10:34 PM

"A top Shia cleric in Iran has said that unveiled women are a serious danger to Iranian society as they cause men to be "transformed into beasts".

I must admit to being somewhat confused by this statement. I though that in Islamic societies, the women DID wear chadors, hijabs, etc. They do, don't they? I'm pretty sure that's the case.

So why oh why then, do so many Muslim men act so beastly? There MUST be another reason for all that foaming at the mouth, wild-eyed hatred and continual killing ....

I wonder what it could be?

Posted by: truth-in-footnotes at April 10, 2008 10:35 PM

"I wonder what it could be? "

...the Koran..

Posted by: pulsar182 at April 10, 2008 10:42 PM

Iraqi Girls Gone Wild
Muslim Porn
Muslim Women Gone Wild

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at April 10, 2008 10:46 PM

Hmmm..." when they come into contact with this fire [the women who are not properly veiled] they burn and become ash," he said. "
That would make the Group of 86 Sexperts 'ash holes', ?

Posted by: DaninVan at April 10, 2008 11:45 PM

"...apologists for Islam, such as Lila Abu-Lughod of Columbia, like to sweetly describe those chadors and abayas and niqabs..." (Hugh, above)

The thing that struck me most about her discussion of these issues, at least in "Veiled Sentiments", is her portrayal of the total submission of the Bedouin women she studied to the codes and practices, both religious and tribal, that keep women servile to men. I have seen nothing she has written since indicating any disagreement with this state of affairs. On the contrary, she attacks Westerners who dare query it.

We already know the word "dhimmi". How do you say "Stockholm Syndrome" in Arabic?

Posted by: MBR at April 10, 2008 11:50 PM

"A women who does not wear the entire veil is like a fire which burns anyone who comes into contact with her," said Elmalhoda.

"Our youth, even those who are educated by families who believe and respect the words of the Prophet, when they come into contact with this fire [the women who are not properly veiled] they burn and become ash," he said.
== == == == == ==

-- and there sure sheem to be a lot of ashes in those Mushlim holy lands, don't ya think?

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 11, 2008 12:09 AM

Muslim males emerge from the womb as beasts. Their only hope to become human is to be immediately removed from their islamic surroundings and raised in a civilized environment where children are taught to behave like human beings, beginning with lessons in respect for all people of both sexes.

Oops, I'm sorry, I will never get used to the politically correct designation of "gender" instead of "sex", especially since there seem to be more than two genders now. I'm afraid that my narrow mind is incapable of accepting pseudo "genders" invented by left-wing diversity/inclusion freaks. Boys are boys and girls are girls, even after sex change operations, transformative hormone therapy, and loads of denial or wishful thinking. I don't have a problem with these people and I don't care what they do to their bodies, but I refuse to acknowledge them as a distinct and separate gender or a minority/special interest group.

Posted by: Susanp at April 11, 2008 12:12 AM

April 10, 2008

Iran: Top Shia cleric says unveiled women turn men into beasts

Posted by: Shy Guy at April 11, 2008 12:25 AM

Ladies and gentlemen.

The proper antidote to this barbarous idiocy from Muslim Iran is to go to Peter Weir's film, "Witness" and find the sequence where a beautiful and modest Amishwoman, Rachel, (no shrinking virgin: she is a widow, who has borne a child) is seen at her bath, by the big-city policeman, John Book, who has been wounded and is her guest, and who is falling in love with her.

In a sequence of scenes that might have been lit and composed by the Dutch masters, she first sees - in the mirror on the dresser - his face where he stands at the half-open door behind her. She then - naked above the waist - turns slowly to face him, their eyes meet; they contemplate each other. The scene is so deliberately and gracefully filmed that it might even be an exposition of St Paul - 'for now we see in a glass, darkly; but then, face to face'. Weir has composed and filmed the scene in such a way that it is not cheaply pornographic but revelatory: Rachel glows in the doorway like the golden cloud of the divine Glory.

They gaze in total silence; the air between them shimmers with longing; then he drops his gaze, and she turns away. Nothing further happens. They are adults; they govern themselves.

One might also watch Peter Weir's "Fearless" - for the beautiful 'portrait' shot in which the protagonist's wife, played by Isabella Rossellini, is seen standing outside a hospital on a cold winter's night, waiting for her husband who is being discharged. Against the wintry darkness behind her she shimmers with light and warmth and love.

To observe this simple scene of a loving wife waiting for her husband - and then to reflect that thousands of Muslim clerics would observe her uncovered hair and naked face and see only a volcano of lust, and would inveigh against her as immoral and evil - is to realize that a large part of the Islamic world is ...it must be said, there is nothing else for it...simply insane.

I leave it to others here to think about other classic scenes, from art, from literature, from films, not only Western but Eastern - Indian, or Chinese, or Japanese, even - that reveal the Islamic nonsense about women, and women's bodies, and men's desires, for what it is.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 11, 2008 12:28 AM

The way I see it the suppression on women in middle east and elsewhere is a payback for the suppression and feminization and political correctness imposed on men in Western society. Everything balances out in the end, so I am glad there is a gender counterpoint keeping the world in balance. I think we should stop focusing on the suppression of women in Islam... they are not worth our time. If you want to talk about gender issues talk about the blatantly sexist and anti - male institutions of the West - family courts, criminal justice and feminist infested educational institutions.

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 12:32 AM

"A women who does not wear the entire veil is like a fire which burns anyone who comes into contact with her," said Elmalhoda.

I know they effect me like that, so I stay away from women who wear veils. I can see his point, the average muslima is so beautiful and sexy that no man can gaze upon her and not lose his mind. Men must be protected from this, so tough measures are in order.
Punish the temptress the same as murderers. Execution or long prison terms. Multiple lashes maybe. Mind numbing beauty must never be exposed,
lest muslims be driven into a frenzy of uncontrollable lust. It's very hard to jihad when you have sweet Jezable on your mind...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 11, 2008 12:59 AM

Robert

Originally, it was just apes, rats, pigs and dogs. Now you are throwing in lions? Which group would that be - Zoroastrians? ;-)

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 11, 2008 1:12 AM

Now they could be on to something here...

Consider if you will the situation now - the women stay bundled up and the men still riot in the streets, kill dhimmi dogs, protest over politcal cartoons, treat their women like crap, suicide bomb...

Now if the women showed some hair, some fore arm, or some ankle.... Imagine how uncivilized this men would become!

I would never dream of encouraging anything that might change that level of civility they are showing now!

Posted by: A Simple Sinner at April 11, 2008 1:13 AM

Now they could be on to something here...

Consider if you will the situation now - the women stay bundled up and the men still riot in the streets, kill dhimmi dogs, protest over politcal cartoons, treat their women like crap, suicide bomb...

Now if the women showed some hair, some fore arm, or some ankle.... Imagine how uncivilized this men would become!

I would never dream of encouraging anything that might change that level of civility they are showing now!

Posted by: A Simple Sinner at April 11, 2008 1:14 AM

Don't like women to much huh jafar? Did some woman try to control you? Did you get a bum deal out of family court? So you think abuse is some kind of divine retribution on women everywhere, for western women asserting themselves?
I got a bum deal out of family court myself, but I don't think Mid Eastern women should have to pay for it. And I do care about the low brow and primitive treatment given to women, not just in Islam, but nearly everywhere. There is nothing charming about a brute. I usually invite them over for beer and wrestling when I run across them. Most of the time they are just powder, fluff, cowards mostly, pushing some weak woman around is their forte, their only forte. There is no balance in a brute abusing
a woman. Balance is established when the brute is confronted and put in his place...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 11, 2008 1:19 AM

A Simple Sinner...I like your name, but it's almost an oxymoron. I have never known a 'simple' sinner.
Most of them have been quite complicated... :)

Posted by: duh_swami at April 11, 2008 1:25 AM

duh_swami, you have a sick mind to assume the man is always at fault. The personal attacks also say much about you, not me. I never said ME women deserve oppression, I just said that it provided a nice contrast to see the two extremes of gender discrimination - in one society perpetrated against men and in the other society perpetrated against women. Instead of calling me names, why don't you first admit that YES there is a sexist bias against men in the areas I mentioned and then stop towing the feminist line which is mostly propoganda.

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 1:44 AM

Jafar: duh_swami, you have a sick mind to assume the man is always at fault. The personal attacks also say much about you, not me.

Just exactly which personal attacks are you referring to, there are so many...
I only referred to you in the first paragraph, and then only asked questions. Just exactly what 'name's did I call you?

Jafar: The way I see it the suppression on women in middle east and elsewhere is a payback for the suppression and feminization and political correctness imposed on men in Western society.
Jafar: I never said ME women deserve oppression...

'Payback'...Uh Huh...

I think we should stop focusing on the suppression of women in Islam... they are not worth our time.

Not worth our time?...Uh huh...

Is focusing our attention on the suppression of women anywhere worth our time? And of course men are always at fault, do women suppress and abuse themselves? No way Jose, they have male help for that...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 11, 2008 2:22 AM

Greetings Jafar. I am nabi ZK and I think I may be your nabi. Yes, family law does seem a bit biased. But they are trying to look after the children first and that is the correct approach. Is it not? However, looking at the world as a whole it has become clear to me that women's rights are actually the most pressing issue of the day. I like women (duh) and I think they should be treated with kindness and respect and also I think they should have equal rights to men under the law. I guess we have a difference of opinion here. But I remind you that I am the nabi here and not you. So you are probably wrong.

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at April 11, 2008 2:43 AM

Maybe the bearded one is right? A very long time ago St.Augustine said: "Women should not be enlightened or educated in any way. They should in fact be segregated as they are the cause of hideous and involuntary erections in holy men."
Hey wank it off man, don't blame it on the feminine gender stupid!

Posted by: Platypus at April 11, 2008 2:51 AM

hideous...lol

Posted by: duh_swami at April 11, 2008 2:55 AM

Jafar defined:

Noun
1. Indonesian terrorist and Islamic militant who commands the Laskar Jihad; uses violence to achieve political ends

Nice guy! Lets keep him away from sharp objects.

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 2:59 AM

You mentioned the abuse of women ... I'm assuming domestic violence here ... but made no mention or care about the stats ... stats say ... despite lack of media attention ... that men and women hit/ physically assault each other roughly equally (half it's man hitting woman, other half of domestic violence is women being violent against man) If you are going to deny the right of a man to fight back against a woman who is the initiator of violent assault than you sir are a hypocrite. I have no problem with protecting women in domestic violence, but just as they are allowed to defend themselves, so too should a man if the woman strikes with violence first.

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 3:01 AM

jafar -

If you are truly interested in protecting women from abuse, then may I suggest you run, don't walk, to the nearest hospital for an immediate psychiatric evaluation. I am not kidding! You obviously have some serious issues that no one should be exposed to - especially women and children - so get help before someone gets hurt. Like you care.

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 3:22 AM

champ (not), very predictable emotional reaction from you, without reading or understanding my point.

So I will talk to you like a little child:

Men hits woman BUT
Women also hits man

Man hits Women - Woman defends Herself (Fine)
Woman hits Man First - Men Defends Himself (Not Fine)

I am simply pointing out a hypocrisy and a little twit like you can't understand simple logic. Is it OK for a man to physically defend and fight back against a violent woman - you know from personal life experience that JUST as many women batter men. It's a two way street

But I'm not surprised by your typical emotionally based irrational response.

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 3:34 AM

Is jafar saying that in order to protect men from physical abuse by women, all women need to wear the chador and hijab?

Is someone missing the plot here?

Is making women cover themselves from head to toe not just a denigration of their humanity, but also a preventative measure, to protect them from turning them into raging attackers of men?

Oh the beastliness of both sexes!

I think men should also wear the chador and hijab, to protect them from turning into raging attackers of women.
Gotta be fair and evenhanded.

Posted by: Calon Lan at April 11, 2008 5:34 AM

What a weak religion if they cannot control themselves when a woman doesn't cover herself up. But it is refreshing to see an Imam admit that islam creates monsters with no self control.

Posted by: DaveMate at April 11, 2008 8:09 AM

Profitsbeard wrote:-

"The unnaturally-repressed often project their sexual rage and uncontrolled desires on everyone else, to excuse their beastly behavior and base urges.

Psychology is anathema to Islam.

It requires insight."

It all makes sense now. They are all stuck in the closet. That explains this hatred of women. For 1400 years gay muslims have been refused the right to express their sexuality. In the UK we have many many gay muslims, and they are welcome here. It follows that their must be millions of repressed gay men in the 1.8 billion worldwide muslims. Their inability to express their true sexuality must turn them into women haters or child molesters. An example would be, say, marrying a 9 nine year old.

Come on gay muslims, come out of the closet/mosque on mass and show the twisted and closeted ones that homosexuality is Allahs will. If it wasn't he wouldn't have created homosexuals.

Let's have a gay pride march in mecca, winding around the kabah.

Posted by: DaveMate at April 11, 2008 8:19 AM

Don't you think women are as stupid as men .
THose veiled women are the same one who are going to raise their boys in the same ideology.
You cannot push to drink a donkey who is not thirsty.
Until women overthere wake up and decide that enough is enough, nothing will change

Posted by: Tartine at April 11, 2008 9:19 AM

Another indication that Jesus is superior to mohammed. Jesus said that the MEN were responsible for their own behavior....it's not the women's fault that the men lust after them. Remember JImmy Carter's famous line about lusting after women in his heart? He was referring to Jesus' statement:

Matthew 5:27-32
27 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Of course, as a Christian, I also believe that women have a part in that we are to dress modestly...but not to envelop ourselves entirely in a shroud.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at April 11, 2008 9:25 AM

Let's have a gay pride march in mecca, winding around the kabah....

Umm...any truth to the rumor that the haj used to be clothing optional in the time of Jahiliya?

nabi ZK

...just askin'...

Posted by: zonie kafir at April 11, 2008 11:41 AM

A women who does not wear the entire veil is like a fire which burns anyone who comes into contact with her"
well it make sense I burn with passion in private when my wife touches me but on the other hand in North American society I can trust other men to respect that she is married and is not available for them to touch, but it seems like in Islamic Society unless you have a male relative you trust and the mobile shelter called the burqa to dress the woman in you cannot trust any other man to not try and take what is not theres and they say Islamic Society has more respect for women ya are rightand I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap if you believe that

Posted by: crusader at April 11, 2008 11:57 AM

crusader, your wife and I are f@#cking right now. I hope you can respect your wife's right to f$@ck a bigger enabled man than you.

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 11:58 AM

No jafar - you are clearly the child on this thread, and your above comment to crusader proves it. No emotional coming out of me, just a clear and concise warning that you seek help, because you are one sick and demented fellow.

Hope you enjoy your very short stay on Jihad Watch! Have a nice day, loser.

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 12:29 PM

There's nothing demented about the hypocrisy of the west:

Women can hit men in self defense but GOD FORBID a man hits a woman who struck him first. HYPOCRITAL -----

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 12:34 PM

Your DOUBLE STANDARDS AND HYPOCRISY ARE SHOWING. Stop criticizing other cultures when YOU CAN'T EVEN ACCEPT your OWN HYPOCRISIES. Women who KILL their Husbands during domestic violence are LET GO WITHOUT CHARGE. Men WHO KILL their Wives are DEMONIZED AND SENTENCED TO DEATH HYPOCRISY SHOWS! Scott Peterson (EVIL) Some Woman who killed Husband (HERO) HYPOCRITE!

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 12:37 PM

HEY BITCH, YOU STUPID ----, ILL COME BACK IF IM BANNED, NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP ME FROM POINTING OUT THE OUTRAGEOUS FEMINIST HYPOCRISIES OF THE WEST. YOU ARE A TYPICAL HYPOCRITICAL ----

Posted by: jafar at April 11, 2008 12:39 PM

Thanks, Marisol!

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 2:12 PM

jafar, take a pill! Your comment to crusader was totally uncalled for.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at April 11, 2008 2:36 PM

jafar is definitely a Muslim due to his choice of a moniker:

Jafar defined: "Indonesian terrorist and Islamic militant who commands the Laskar Jihad; uses violence to achieve political ends."

Between the two choices, I would say that he's an Islamic given that this website is devoted to fighting against the evils within Islam.

Anyway....

The assertion that we need to take notice of how abusive women can be to men is beyond absurd given the key difference between men and women: size and strength.

Not saying that some women cannot beat up men, which is obviously the case for jafar, but overall, men are much bigger and stronger than women, making them far more capable of greater damage than women are.

Sorry that your wife beat you up, jafar. Not many men would admit to that, but then not many women are bigger and stronger than their husbands.

Having said that, I know that some women do in fact use their fists and quite possibly their legs in assaulting their husbands - and sometimes they will resort to using weapons of every sort to inflict injuries on men; and I completely agree that this is wrong and SHOULD be dealt with accordingly through legal channels. But very rarely do you hear of situations where a woman can beat up a guy, not unless she's some kind of an amazon, and he a 20 pound weakling.

Afraid that statistics and common sense will win over this argument, jafar, because not only are men bigger and stronger than most women, but most men are behind bars for committing these crimes than women are.

Unlikely the tide will change any time soon, not unless women start taking steroids to beef themselves up - lol!!!

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 2:55 PM

jafar, take a pill! Your comment to crusader was totally uncalled for.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

Robert banned him due to his insane comments on another thread. He claims he's coming back, so be on the lookout for a man with a rather large chip on his shoulder concerning women....he shouldn't be too hard to spot! LOL!!

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 2:58 PM

jafar, you need to get a grip! The West's hypocrisies pale in comparison to the perverted and demented islamic world. It is safe to assume that in most cases, males are bigger and stronger than females and therefore capable of inflicting severe physical injuries on women. I have seen cases of battered women who finally snapped and killed their abusers, and they were convicted of murder and sent to prison. Murder is illegal in the West; females are fair game for a variety of hideous abuses in islam. In islam, men have full control over the lives of women including the right to kill them if they are disobedient or dishonor the family name. Many muslim women have died from severe beatings inflicted upon them by their "guardians" and the guilty men felt no remorse and suffered no consequences or punishment. That's because women are regarded as chattel or livestock in islam. Christianity transcended this barbaric attitude centuries ago and it's high time the primitive, egotistical savages that practice islam did the same.

A decent man might deflect the blows of an attacking female, but he wouldn't retaliate in kind just because she hit him first! Sure, women hit men, throw things at them, and on occasion, even shoot them or set them on fire. Excessively violent behavior is not usually borne of petty disputes, but is the result of long term abuse by the male. A man's ability to control his temper and refrain from physically attacking a woman under any circumstances speaks volumes for his character and maturity. If his life is threatened, a man has every right to defend himself by whatever means necessary.

There is a very real condition called "battered woman syndrome" that many people have difficulty understanding. I have seen hundreds of cases, not all of which involve physical abuse. But whether the abuse is psychological or physical and psycholgical, the female victim is completely overwhelmed and incapable of perceiving reality or making rational decisions about her own life and well-being. I think that many muslim women are victims of this affliction and become victims at a very early age. It is a disturbing, crippling, and tragic condition from which many women never escape.

Women are indeed becoming more violent in our society but domestic violence cases of male abuse or violence against females are still the vast majority. I am hardly a radical feminist but I have seen too many heartbreaking cases of brutalized women; intelligent, educated, beautiful women whose lives were utterly destroyed by possessive, jealous, selfish, obsessive men. Very few of them ever fully recover from their tortuous, destructive experiences. I haven't seen any men in the same circumstances.

Posted by: Susanp at April 11, 2008 3:27 PM

Well, THAT was entertaining...:)

Posted by: DaninVan at April 11, 2008 3:36 PM

I see that this thread has been hijacked by jafar.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 11, 2008 4:08 PM

jafar's FIRST comment on this thread was a major red flag showing us that he's a woman hater:

"The way I see it the suppression on women in middle east and elsewhere is a payback for the suppression and feminization and political correctness imposed on men in Western society. Everything balances out in the end, so I am glad there is a gender counterpoint keeping the world in balance. I think we should stop focusing on the suppression of women in Islam... they are not worth our time. If you want to talk about gender issues talk about the blatantly sexist and anti - male institutions of the West - family courts, criminal justice and feminist infested educational institutions."

Posted by: jafar

Red flag:..."they (women) are not worth our time"

I know, like anyone needed help with that one, but this red flag does indicate that he was never interested in having a rational discussion about women and abuse in the first place, because he's already dismissing them by claiming that they are "worthless"; and this comment also indicates that all he wanted to accomplish was a mud slide on this thread, and he is also showing us how evil and twisted his thinking is.

Anyone with a perverted point of view like that isn't capable of caring about what's fair or not fair where women and abuse towards me are concerned; and he's also someone that we can expect to have a very short life span while here on JW; as proven by the fact that Robert already banned his sorry a**, in short order too, I might add.

Have a nice life behind bars - where you most certainly will wind up - thank God.

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 5:28 PM

Sorry folks....I'm so OVER this loser....no more comments coming from me about him. Talk about someone who isn't "worth it", he isn't WORTH IT!!! LOL!!!

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 5:31 PM

".....and abuse towards me are concerned"

Oops!

I meant to say, "abuse towards men", not me. I could not care less what he says or thinks about me, because I will never have the horrific and unfortunate displeasure of actually meeting this creep face to face. I pity those who will....

Posted by: champ at April 11, 2008 5:46 PM

Jafar: (women) are not worth our time"

Which proves once again the misogynistic nature of the Muhammadan headbangers. And it proves that 38 % (that's official) are actually homosexuals, more than in any other culture...

If you have ever been to Cairo, Karachi or any other major Islamic capital you'll be very (unpleasantly) surprised about how perverted it all is.

Perhaps that's why so many Westerners 'revert' to Islam. The hypocrisy is astounding...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 11, 2008 11:15 PM

Like I said before it always takes and takes what does not belong to them. Take women slaves, take other mens wives as slaves and booty. You know this ideology is sub human. Its founder is sub human. I mean it makes sense because they are still in the primitive cave man thinking.

Posted by: savsiv at April 12, 2008 12:33 AM

For those of you interested in women's rights and Islam - I'd just like to recommend the short Iranian film "Feminin - Masculin" (google it to find it, I don't have a link I'm afraid :/ )

It's a fantastic short documentary about the first woman bus driver in Iran. It's illuminating and very uplifting in many ways which is unusual considering the topic. It has very interesting brief interviews with people on the bus. Towards the end her son says he wouldn't be a bus driver because it seems too stressful - and that it would be much easier to just be a judge handing out death sentences. This I found to be a VERY illuminating peek into the mentality of someone being raised on a diet of Sharia law. Imagine thinking that it's easier to have someone killed than to drive a bus.

While there is some colorful swearing on the part of the woman as she stands up for herself against bullying male drivers, there's nothing over-dramatic or shocking in this little film. I think it'd be great to share with friends/family who don't quite understand what living under Sharia is like and are a bit too sensitive to see the gore presented in Fitna. (I for one, can't bear the sight of dead bodies - but I'm already familiar with the horrors of Islamic holy texts so I just skipped watching it.)

The filmmaker passes no judgements, just presents things the way they are. It quietly sheds light on deep gender biases actively enforced in the Islamic world. In my opinion, a wonderful film.

Posted by: Lost in the Hazel at April 12, 2008 1:51 PM